Urban Hints At SDCC Star Trek Sequel Footage + Follows Up On Cumberbatch Comment July 12, 2012
by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Trek Franchise , trackback
Star Trek’s new Dr. McCoy is at it again. After making waves last week with his comment about Benedict Cumberbatch’s role in the upcoming 2013 sequel, now Urban appears to be saying that some kind of Star Trek footage is being released at Comic Con this week. See below for details on that plus Urban reacts to the reaction of his comment from last week.
New Star Trek footage at SDCC?
Officially Paramount is not holding any panels at San Diego Comic Con, which kicked off today, including no panel for next year’s Star Trek sequel. In fact, Paramount Pictures does not even have a booth at Comic Con to promote any of their upcoming films. Recently a number of the writer/producers for the film have talked about how it was not possible for them to get anything prepared in time for the big event.
However, Karl Urban seems to have a different point of view. The actor told ComicSoon:
"I can promise you that before the end of Comic-Con, some exclusive Star Trek footage, it’s going to come out. You’re going to find it. It’s going to come out."
I have checked with a number of sources, and I can’t find anyone who was able to back up Urban’s promise. It is possible that he knows something my sources don’t know. TrekMovie will continue to monitor things and try and see what Urban is talking about. Right now it is possible something viral is being worked on, I just haven’t been able to confirm it.
Karl also was asked by Coming Soon about his comments last week about Benedict Cumberbatch playing Gary Mitchell. He would not elaborate, but did offer this caveat.
"I’m really not at liberty to discuss anything about Star Trek. All I can say is that I did that interview after a 22-hour flight from New Zealand. I literally hopped off the plane into the interview."
Again TrekMovie has not been able to find any sources to back up Urban’s assertion that Cumberbatch is playing Gary Mitchell. At this point my best guess is that it is some kind of misdirection or possibly even a joke on Urban’s part.
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Interesting that he didn’t deny it. Of course he may have slipped up and realized that even a denial would violate the J.J. imposed gag order.
“I’m really not at liberty to discuss anything about Star Trek. All I can say is that I did that interview after a 22-hour flight from New Zealand. I literally hopped off the plane into the interview.”
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I see.
Sure, sure…
:)
Karl, darling, I love you, but what are you doing.
Also, I wonder if Paramount’s entire Trek marketing budget is just ‘pay for Karl Urban’s plane ticket and let him do the rest’.
Sounds like he’s backtracking. He says he literally hoped off a twenty two hour flight into the interview. So he’s saying he had jet lag? Maybe he was dreaming about “Where No Man Has Gone Before?” Or maybe all of this noise is Bad Robot’s misdirection viral campaign. It does have us all talking without seeing a trailer. I still say the deflector dish should be named, the radar looking thingy. :-)
I’m guessing that Anthony followed up with his sources about the “villain.” Because we know TrekMovie is standing by its stories that the villain is Khan. Just think if you’re a trusted source, and you feed bad information to a respected website. That guy will never be a source for anything again. I’m not an expert on the use of sources. But if a source gives you false information, I wonder if you can disclose or expose the guy.
Said wrong character, admitting as much. Jet lag is the enemy of accuracy.
Salivating for that footage!!!
“I’m really not at liberty to discuss anything about Star Trek. All I can say is that I did that interview after a 22-hour flight from New Zealand. I literally hopped off the plane into the interview.”
Well, it’s no harm no foul in my book, Karl. Even if you were telling the truth, there’s enough confusion stirring around that nobody’s willing to believe it outright. Just be glad that you are from New Zealand. Who knows what kind of posts your little “slip” would have been subjected to here if you weren’t. :-o
All I know is that the next time Zachary says something about filming for a few hours before taking a break, or when/if Zoe or anyone else says something equally innocuous like the work was challenging for the actors but they all had fun, certain people will need to stay quiet if they feel a self-righteous rant coming on…
Footage.. Finally a teaser trailer maybe?! Which even if it is will leave us none the wiser to what the sequels about if the first trek teaser is anything to go by! How about revealing a title….
Oh, great. NOW a main cast member teases the possibility of some new Trek footage at SDCC? That’s not “official” enough for me to care to go, and it’s too last minute now. I’ll just wait for it to hit the internet, which should take about 30 seconds after the footage is shown.
Well I am sure theres got to be a trailer by the end of Comic Con or with TDKR. The Man of Steel is having 1 coming out around this time and its coming out around the time of Star Trek XII. Them editors better get the pedal to the metal.
Well at least your willing to admit your buddy in the mail room at Paramount can’t get you EVERY scoop!
Maybe he’s just confused about the Kre-o trailer footage that was promised earlier in the week?
TMP Bones: “What the hell kind of strategy’s this!”
Nu Bones: “Damn it, I’m a Doctor… not a PR consultant!”
Whether Karl Urban did indeed reveal more than he should of, none of us are any closer to finding out if it were true or false – Urban could come out and say the borg are in the next movie and we’d all be like wha! OMG!
So I don’t think it really matters, its just another rumour that could be true or false…. Perhaps the greatest JJ Abrams mystery ploy is to get the cast to throw out names of possible enemy’s, plots etc…
It’s got me around to watching that rare unaired pilot version of “Where No Man Has Gone Before” — an extra to be found on TOS Season 3 Blu ray.
It feels like it’s set in a parallel universe to the colourful series which followed.
Could be a good move. A human villain in Gary Mitchell. That’d be a first for a Star Trek movie wouldn’t it? Benedict can pull that off easily, whether he’s going to end up all shiny eyed, God-like and possessed or not.
Awesome! Lol he revealed the character in a Jet Lagged stupor.
I’m going to begin referring to some of his information as “Urban Legends”
Hmmm… Karl Urban is promoting “Dredd 3D”, definitely…
……………………………………Helloooo…. Bones… ;-) :-)
The cat is definitely out of the proverbial bag.
Part of me hopes this a sign of the Star Trek sequel being fast-tracked for a sooner than next Summer release. If there’s a confidence surrounding the film, then it could provide a shot in the arm, raising the profile and all the knock on interest to other parts of the franchise currently dipping a bit. It suddenly picks up whenever there’s something new happening…
@15. Kirk, James T. wrote; “Urban could come out and say the borg are in the next movie and we’d all be like wha! OMG!”.
DON’T PROVOKE THE BORG! ;p
So, they’re doing footage. The elite have re thought their position. And or, read sites like this and changed their mind. “Not possible” and yet here it is.
@20, I agree he confirmed his slip up.
In jet lag veritas.
Jet lag or not – Karl just said that the character that Cumberbatch is his “Gary Mitchell”. I take that to mean that the villain may have similarities to Gary Mitchell/that type of person.
#8 – Puts on ignore…:(
When did they say ‘not possible?’ I thought they said they’d see how post-production was doing. Heck, they were asked about comic on just as filming was beginning to wrap up…
Whatever.I think I will just stay in a drunken stupor till next year. I grow weary of all the secrecy.
Okay, it’s for sure Gary Mitchell.
I told you so!
I’m sticking to my prediction that there will be no footage shown at the San Diego Comic Convention. The con is coming up in just a few weeks, so I doubt that J.J Abrams has had time to assemble a trailer. Plus I think he doesn’t care for conventions. He revealed the cast at the 2007 con, but that was because he was rebooting the franchise. He needed to hook people in. He doesn’t have to this time.
I just wish the actors and writers stop jerking us around with the bullsh!t.
I know some on this site find this “fun”, but this has been going on for well over a year. Actually more if you factor in the numerous times they promised a deadline and wound up taking even more time to write the script.
SHEESH!!!
Maybe Karl will be walking around SDCC with his iPhone showing people stuff he shot from the set.
From Collider.com’s editor-in-chief on Twitter:
“Karl Urban just told us that the STAR TREK sequel secret footage will premiere on YouTube very soon!”
So keep your eyes peeled.
#26 – LOL!!!! :-D
“Very soon” could mean anything.
From an hour to a month. :-)
30. Red Dead Ryan – July 12, 2012
SDCC is already here. If a trailer is coming, we won’t have long to wait.
Maybe JJ is pranking Urban, who will end up seeming like he has a permanent case of jet lag.
#32.
YouTube? LOL! I don’t think so. The Collider guy is probably just pulling it out of his ass!
#30.
Thanks for the correction. I still wouldn’t expect any footage to be revealed.
Damn, the second statement was meant for dmduncan (#35.)
DAMN TYPOS!!!
No, YouTube actually makes sense. It’s got tons of promotional material on it and there’s no sequel website gone public yet.
It’s time. Let the teasers begin…
They don’t need to drop any big spoilers or anything. Even a teaser like the Enterprise under construction teaser that began the Trek 09 hype would be appreciated. Just something to generate a little buzz and let people know “hey they’re working on a sequel to that awesome movie that came out a few (too many) years ago…
I’m guessing that the “exclusive” footage won’t be shown AT Comic Con, but will be released before it ends.
#39.
I don’t know. I think J.J Abrams would rather prefer to show his first Trek sequel trailer on the big screen before a blockbuster movie. The trailer will end up going up on YouTube eventually anyway, so I don’t know why he’d premier it there.
Another possibility is the trailer is premiered before or after a showing of a Trek movie (perhaps “Star Trek” ’09) somewhere as “surprise gift” to the audience.
I wouldn’t count on anything be shown, nor a decisive comment about Cumberbatch’s role. Not going to happen until the first official trailer is released.
Generally, apart from whatever lines they’ve read and scenes they were in — actors tend to know not that much about everything else going on with a movie. Not saying it’s true with Urban. Who knows — maybe the cast’s appearing there. So they can say nothing in person.
37. Red Dead Ryan
Footage from many movies make their debut on YouTube. Keep in mind this is not necessarily a trailer, it’s probably more of a sneak peek, an few quick seconds of footage to serve as an appetizer. Or rather, a drink before the appetizer. :)
Personally, I think Urban needs to lay off the cordrazine. ;)
#45.
YouTube seems a bit “small” for some director of a big-budget movie to put previously unseen footage on.
46. Red Dead Ryan
It hasn’t been too small for other directors of big-budget movies. :)
How much you want to bet Karl’s tipping us off to an ARG with the clue’s being Gary Mitchelle and Youtube and now we have to go out and find the next clue. I think the ARG kicked off about a year before the release so we’re probably coming up on time for it…
Me am skeptical, especially since the source has been pulling our leg since day one. But this seems especially mischievous of Urban, if it’s not true. Could be Karl is trying out for the next Mean Girls film?
A 22-hour flight from New Zealand, eh?
Fascinating that the 22nd episode of TOS (not counting the pilots, of course) was Space Seed.
I hadn’t bought into the Khan hype … but that’s … an interesting coincidence … or perhaps a very subtle hint.
Fascinating.
#46
The times they are a-changin’ friend.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/19/business/media/how-hunger-games-built-up-must-see-fever.html?pagewanted=all
Oops, that should be for #47, RDR.
51. FraserLink – Excellent bit of Treknumerology there. Very interesting.
There is a difference between them showing footage at Comic Con
and releasing footage online DURING Comic Con .
It sounds like that is what Karl is referring to .
Maybe the trailer will show before TNG movie theatre event! Just a thought.
Viral campaign aside, if he was sooo tired he probably let slip something that should he should not have. We all know when we are overly tired we might say things without thinking and the after thought is “oh shit…should not have said that,” but with JJ being so strict on secrecy, I would assume its drilled into all the actors and nothing would let slip the lips unless the powers that be say so.
Mitchell still beats Khan as a villain- big yawn either way (this was rebooted, why?).
58. Anoymous Coward – (love that name) I believe that if written well, any “villain” can be revitalized. Look at what Heath Ledger did with the Joker after Jack Nicholson mugged his way through the role.
With a good story and a good actor, Khan, Mitchell, even Tribbles (well, maybe not Tribbles) can be good, if you ask me. But then, you didn’t ask me, did you?
I’m going to join the chorus of “they got nothin’.”
Maybe it’ll be fast-motion footage of a Gorn chasing Chris Pine around Vasquez Rocks to the Benny Hill theme, if anything.
60. AJ – That WOULD be funny, especially if it was the bad, original Gorn costume.
Karl Urban’s home movies. Gather round the Android, boys, and look at wht’s on MY cell phone….
After 22 hours in the air, and numerous adult beverages later, he was probably calling every flight attendant Gary Mitchell….
@30. Comic Con is up and running. I’ll camp out on I-5 and if I see the Paramount armored truck heading south we will hijack it and steal the trailer…. :-)
contemplating Cumberbatch realizing the transformation of good guy-Gary to god-Gary boggles my mind.
VERY EXCITED!
Oh dis guy.
too bad for all you Khanaanites
GAAAAAAARRRRRRRYYYYYY!!!
It’s quite possible the reporter misheard what Karl Urban had said about the villain. The reporter could have heard “Gary Mitchell” when in fact Urban had said “Carey Mitchell”.
Now you are probably asking yourself “Who the hell is Carey Mitchell?”
Well, I don’t know! I’m just throwing it out there!
SHEESH!!
:-D
That’s sounds like a Gary Mitchell confirmation. Not really the kind of villain I wanted, but at least better than Khan.
it’s math
Gary Mitchell + Klingons = 8^)
what happens if Klingons go through the barrier?
Oh, man.
71.
wouldn’t happen. as their ship goes through, they’d extend their grappling hooks to the barrier and cling on!
@6
Bucky, I am waiting for that apology.
#73.
I wouldn’t hold your breath.
You do have to love Karl Urban. This is great. The man has got the fan’s in a spin. Good for him. Its fun.
Meanwhile i’m sticking to the Gary Mitchell theory. One, because Karl said so. Two, because Cucumbersandwich doesn’t even remotely resemble Mr Khan. And three, because I think Mitchell would make a great bad guy for a movie.
I’m keeping my fingers crossed.
I would add if it does turn out to be Khan and not Mitchell I won’t feel in any need to apologise to anybody about being incorrect. Just so they know going in and don’t start demanding it. ;-)
I still don’t think it’s Gary Mitchell
18. Haha !
22 hours in the air? From memory, it took nine hours to fly from Auckland to Honolulu and then about five hours from Honolulu to Los Angeles, assuming he took that route, flying right over the Pacific Ocean.
Just saying…
I think they’ve certainly had enough time to cobble something together for the Con.
Try to say nothing about the monster under your bed. Its impossible! Especially after an 22 hour flight. Karl Urban, who is such a great McCoy, is also a Star Trek Fan. Well, indeed, … he can´t hide this fact ;)
RedDead #30, comic con is going on right now, its not in a few weeks lol.
Anycase I still think cumberbatch is more inline looks wise to Gary Mitchell, than he is to khan.
Well, peeps, just read this morning Cumberbatchweb on Twitter reported that Benedict’s mum says he’s dressed head to toe in leather in the film. Now why would Gary Mitchell be stomping about in leather strides? Hm…
Either Mr. Urban misspoke/misled or whoever said the comics were dropping hints about the movie did.
Gary Mitchell, without spoiling the comic series too much, was quite as much dead as he was in TOS at the end of the story. It’d be tough for them to harken back to a comic book with perhaps 10,000 readers to get necessary backstory for a movie and taking the time to retell that backstory in the movie would be an incredible waste of the first 35- 40 minutes of the movie since it was so similar to the TOS episode.
If they jettison the comic’s take on Mitchell altogether, not such a big problem- but it sure took us away from talking about Khan quite as much, didn’t it?
As to Cumberbatch playing Khan, I think a British accented Khan is much more in line with reality than a Sikh with a Latino accent…
83. “…Now why would Gary Mitchell be stomping about in leather strides? Hm…”
Hey, what characters do behind closed doors is their business.
;-)
#84 In Wrath of Khan, did they spend 40 minutes remaking Space Seed or did they explain over the course of the movie who Khan was and what his backstory is? There’s no reason why they can’t make a Gary Mitchell movie that explains who he is and his backstory as the movie’s new story is happening. Keep in mind that a lot of Wrath of Khan’s audience wouldn’t have seen that one particular episode with Khan yet they were still able to somehow see the movie. I myself saw The Wrath of Khan before seeing the Space Seed episode and I was not totally lost. The movie explained who this guy was without compromising its own story.
Haha @18! You have just won the internet, Devon.
URBAN LEGENDS!
Not sure if anyone has mentioned it before, but could this be the Gary Mitchell of the Prime universe? Of course they would have to do a comic story in this universe so that Kirk and Mitchell’s backstories matched. But Mitchell wasn’t confirmed dead, just buried and he had God like powers.
I’m hoping for Gary Mitchell. I always felt there was more to that character from the original series. It seemed it was cut short because of the TV viewing formats back then. I mean how do you show a character with an omnipotent presence and not follow it up? Especially, when you don’t have the special effects budget either back then. This guy could waste the Borg with one single head nod. Could be cool.
First of all, It is my fondest wish that Nestor Carbonell gets a shot at Khan for Movie III.
Second, imagine the *lens flare* possibilities that Gary Mitchell’s shiny silver eyes offer.
I think the choice is clear.
~Rob Rostad
In case you haven’t been keeping track of box office reports, this summer is one that is marked by a handful of tentpoles while the rest of the releases are falling pancake flat. Now… if I had a release coming up next year and I could get countless thousands of people all over the world burning up the comments sections on hundreds of news sites and forums around the net right now wouldn’t that be the most masterful marketing strategy since Andre Citroen splashed the name of his weird cars on the Eiffel Tower?
JJ may just be the greatest genius since Einstein. Even though I wish he’d stop shaking the damn camera and get those flares outta my eyes! :)
J.J. seems to have muzzled Urban now – http://www.aintitcool.com/node/56985
Still not 100% convinced his ‘slip-up’ will prove to be true, but am certainly hoping it was!
I’ve said this before, but if you listen to the general comments of fandom, and yes there are exceptions, but for the most part, the reaction to the use of Khan as the villain has been negative. However, the reaction to the idea of MITCHELL as the villain has been relatively positive.
While Gary Lockwood created the role and did a very good job with it, he was not exactly Ricardo Montalban in terms of status and Mitchell is a very recastable character that a great actor can do a lot with.
If it’s Mitchell, it’s a good call, though I still feel that Orci’s comments, combined with the use of Mitchell in the comics, pretty much eliminates him.
Yet I guess we’ll find out.
It might be a good idea to at least let us know WHEN the name of the villain will be released.
Now Urban has tape over his mouth that Abrams gave him.
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/56985
Will we now get a trailer that reveals more since the cat is out of the bag? Maybe a shot with BC with glowing eyes.
Cumberbatch’s mother last night told a girl he was dressed head to toe in black leather when she visited the set. Sounds more Khan to me than Gary.
I cant hep but laugh at the comments about hammy 3rd rate actor Montalban being regarded as a great actor.
To Khan or not to Khan that is the question.
The thing about Star Trek in general is that Paramount has always engaged in misdirection or outright untruths when it comes to its Trek movies or series. I recall reading in an issue of Starlog magazine in 1986 about the new “Next Generation” series (which IIRC was called “Star Trek: The New Generation” early on), which referred to the character of Data as an “evil Betazoid.” Granted, I may be recalling it wrong, and it could also have been some measure of inaccuracy on the part of the writer, but none of the advance information about ANY of the Trek movies has been accurate, and much of that advance information has been provided by either Paramount or its proxies.
So, in a nutshell: Take everything you read about the next movie with a huge lump of salt.
@93, you do realize that for all the much appreciated efforts of boborci on this site, “Trek Fans” represented such an infinitesimal percentage of the total box office on JJST1 that had every trekker in the world boycotted that movie the studio might not even have noticed the drop in ticket sales. :)
Paramount isn’t in the business of catering to Trek fans. It’s in the business of selling tickets and JJST1 did that supremely well. That’s why the suits are giving JJ carte blanche at his second kick at the can. I am ready to assure you that the consideration of what the Trekkers think of a particular character isn’t even a blip on the radar. So the guys who write the checks don’t “listen to the general comments of fandom” and really couldn’t care less.
Gary Lockwood co-starred in one of the greatest films of all time: 2001.
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Ricardo Montalban’s most successful film was Spy Kids.
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‘Nuff said. Doesn’t mean Ricardo wasn’t awesome though, but c’mon.
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Mitchell is still a great untold story (in nuTrek), and Alice Eve would make a good Dehner. But what then do you need Peter Weller for? And the ‘family man, his wife, and his daughter’? It just doesn’t fit. We must acquit. Go with the legit. We know “Exeter” is in it, the real Bob gave us that ages ago. Weller’s a CO, and is on record saying he has his own ship. That one makes sense. The family man appears to be Lt. Boma. Anthony’s sources insist Khan. Where does this *really* leave us?
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Mitchell as in the comic isn’t quite dead, his pod, and the Botany Bay are all found by a Klingon Garbage Scow? Mitchell kills and becomes the next Khan, and first encounters Exeter, where Eve’s Dehner is the CMO under Weller’s CO character? Cumberbatch as Khan Gary Mitchell? Strange, but that makes all the rumours “true”…. It is not *the* Khan, KNS, but *a* Khan, KGM.
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And TLV, I have some Viacom stock that includes Paramount revenue, so I would argue it’s the *stockholders* that the business caters to. JJ and the gang do indeed work for me, in a not-quite-infinitesimal way. :p
I would be Happy to see a little Teaser! :)
Any reveal at SDCC won’t be very revealing. But people will still point to it as “evidence” of (insert villain name).
I highly doubt that Gary Mitchell has anything to do with the movie. Dehner is always possible but I don’t see any way to fit GM with all that is known. And I think that with boborci’s comment “bones, what r udoing?!?!?” And the picture of Karl Urban with the tape over his mouth, that all of this is a big joke.
100. Daoud
You’re kidding, right? How many lines of dialogue did Lockwood have in ’2001′, homeboy? LOL.
On Aintitcoolnews, there is an interview with Urban where he states that footage from Trek is coming and will be on Youtube soon. I wonder if that footage may premiere at the Con and then will find its way to Youtube. I know Paramount is not really promoting anything this year at the Con. But wouldn’t it be cool if they surprise those at the con with JJ and some footage. Could happen.
As far as the Gary Mitchell thing…I tend to believe it. Cumberbatch has on a starfleet uniform in the photos that leaked. Meaning he either is a member of starfleet or was given the uniform. He is seen being able to go toe to toe with Spock, which would imply he has superior physical strength. Now that could mean anything and does not necessarily lend itself to Mitchell necessarily. But then you add the way Cumberbatch looks and the case for Mitchell becomes stronger.
If the team had cast Del Toro as they had wanted, then I would have said without doubt that the villain was Khan. But with Cumberbatch, I just dont tend to believe him as Khan. Perhaps once Del Toro fell through the team went back and rewrote the villain. Maybe it started out as Khan and then was changed to Gary Mitchell. Although the time between Del Toro’s rejection and Cumberbatch’s casting was quite short and I don’t think would accommidate a rewrite of the magnitude necessary to rewrite the villain.
Plus add in Spock prime’s involvement and just who Peter Weller is playing and it is hard to pin down if the villain is Khan or Mitchell. To me those are the two choices. I know people have suggested Gary Seven, which is possible. But I think Khan or Mitchell would be the more easily accessible choices to the GA.
I guess I have personally grown tired of the games and the wink and smile play of those on team JJ. Either stick to no comment or just reveal the villain already.
Footage, it sounds like a “more serious statement” than Garry Mitchel is the villain…And if he is not the villain…i dont care. Urban is a great guy (the whole cast is), and he is protecting the movie!!
C’mon: Urban is an actor that plays a doctor, not a …..
Dang, I got nothing.
summoning boborci, boborci, boborci (the required three times). is there any particular keyword or words we should be attacking youtube with over the next few days?
Urban Legends. I like that. I suppose the next time Mr. Pegg is busy revealing details we need to listen for “Simon Says”…..
Simon says….yes, the nacelles are ample.
Simon says…yes, Kirk starts shaving.
Cumberbatch is great as Gary Mitchell.
Simon says…Spock gets owned this time.
@100, yes, you’re a stockholder but that means that the board only owes you MONEY, not input! :) Their job is to make money, and if that means using a particular Trek character or doing a reboot where the USS Enterprise is a Borgified ship that does intergalactic pizza deliveries is wholly irrelevant to them as long as the box office RINGS! :)
Sounds like he was tired and let something slip. Why would he say something as specific as a name used only once in the original series, unless it really was? Sounds like he got into a bit of trouble over his accidental slip and now isn’t saying anything, but to me, he let the cat out of the bag.
Regardless of the comic, and the denials, I am still believing it is Mitchell. After all, very few people in the general audience are reading the comic. My local comic book store doesn’t even get it without special ordering it. Having it in a comic with such small distribution doesn’t preclude them still using him in the movie.
#111 — I agree!!
Can we PLEASE put a (real) title on this thing? Can it be so specific to the story that it gives it all away?
Peter Weller is a Klingon Captain, is my guess
On a lighter note, Cumby plays TWO parts.. “Khan and Gary go to White Castle”
#96 The legendary New Yorker film critic Pauline Kael would disagree about Montalban not being a great actor. In her “Wrath of Khan” review, she expressed disappointment in Nimoy’s “ashen” Spock–as opposed to the fun one from the TV show–but devoted a lot of space to praising Montalban. She talks about how he should have been an A-list movie star but for the lack of opportunities for Latinos.
It’s actually one of the most insightful essays I’ve ever seen on Trek.
I can totally see Benedict Cumberbatch as the guy who transforms into Gary Mitchell. He’ll start by doing him as this humble, regular guy and then, as the power goes to his head, will become the “Sherlock” Cumberbatch, acting haughty and forcing Chris Pine to kneel before him.
This will be foreshadowed through backstory scenes at Starfleet Academy, maybe during the first scene. It will tap into the “remember how Kirk was always running into dudes from the Academy” trope from “Shore Leave.” And this way the villain will force Kirk to grow, like the writers have been saying, because he’s a guy from Kirk’s own past. And in the new timeline, Kirk’s only real past that we know is the Academy, since he hasn’t had a chance to maroon Khan.
I think Mitchell is a step up from Khan, whose story has been thoroughly told, but Mitchell would also be something of a retread in this “new” universe.
Although not a true villain, my fingers are crossed for the other Gary—Gary Seven, a character who was meant to appear again… and again (in his own series).
The Botany Bay falls through the wormhole left by the Narada and runs into Q who was going the other way so he and Khan molecularly merge and decide to call themselves Gary Mitchell because they both love 20th century Ulster poetry. :)
Weller’s said he’s a Federation commander with a ship as good as Enterprise. That and boborci said the “USS Exeter” will appear when asked about non-spoilery things such as “please name another Federation ship in the movie?” If he’s a Klingon, it’s an Arne Darvin-level disguise for sure! As for titles… how about….
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“Spongebob Cumberbatch”. After all, Spongebob’s pet snail is named Gary. This yields lovelies like ♪♫”Who’s evil and slimy and lives out in space? Spongebob Cumberbatch! Neck pinch can’t down him nor punch to the face? Spongebob Cumberbatch!…”
Why would Gary Seven be wearing a Starfleet Uniform? LOL!!! I’m not 100% convinced Cumberbun is playing Gary Mitchell, but of all those fans have mentioned as possibilities, Mitchell makes the mose sense. It’s either Mitchell or a completely new character similar to Mitchell or Khan. It could still be Joachim.
I still say casting Cumberbun as Khan would the worst casting decision in the history of film. In no way, shape, or form would he fit that role!!
I think they changed the script when Del Toro became unavailable.
If you think about it, there are similarities between Khan and Michell — both have “powers” and Mitchell have a female side kick — McGivers in Khans case and Dehner in Mitchell’s.
I think it’s going to be Gary Mitchell or a new character so close to him it might as well BE Gary Mitchell.
I’m sure they won’t just re-tell the story from WNMHGB. It’ll be different.
But, it also makes sense in that this would profoundly affect James Kirk.
It’s Mitchell.
Actually, it’s quite likely that Urban is just plain unreliable in this sort of thing. “Boy who cried ‘(Currently Hot) Celebrity Sighting’” phenomenia, you know. Eventually you shoot your bloody mouth off TOO often, and No One believes you on Anything any more.
#119
“Why would Gary Seven be wearing a Starfleet Uniform?”
He’s working undercover. ;)
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Of course, if Paramount was giving us ANY info about ST12, we wouldn’t be this anxious for information!
Serious question: I don’t know hot the production side of things works; When is the deadline for determining the subtitle? When does a trailer need to be available?
@121, I am more interested in seeing what Gary Seven’s cat has under her fur. Teri Garr was real hot in a Sixties GoGo sort of way.
@122, movies can set or change their titles even weeks before release if a few crazies in a focus group say stupid things like “I’d go see a movie named John Carter, not John Carter Of Mars…” :)
been a while since I’ve seen Assignment: Earth, but wasn’t Gary Seven a time travellor?
And haven’t we learned that there’s no time travel in this film?
fingers crossed for Gary Mitchell.
@124, yeah but that was until Brannon Braga snuck onto the set and replaced a bunch of the pages from the script from one of his old ST episodes. :)
Personally I only give Braga credit for assimilating Seven of Nine. Otherwise, I’d just rather forget he existed. ;)
@125 damn that Braga… damn him…
#95.
Well I guess Benedict Cumberbatch is playing a gay stripper. :-)
#119.
Well, if they rewrote the script that soon before shooting, I’d be a little bit worried. Especially considering that they took a year to write it in the first place.
As for Gary Seven, he wasn’t a bad guy. He was working to make the world a better, peaceful place. If the writers make him the villain in the sequel, it’ll show a lack of respect and knowledge for the original episode. It’ll just be plain stupid.
#123
The cat was played by some other actress. Terri Garr played his assistant. But yeah, I agree. She was a GoGo hottie.
#124
Seven was a sort of James Bond from outer space. Can’t tell you if he was a time traveler or not. Been awhile since I watched that episode. I do know he wasn’t affected by the nerve pinch. Of course, I don’t imagine Mitchell would be either, being a god and whatnot.
Isn’t it obvious that the guy’s kidding? The interwebs went crazy with this — and the serious tone of the reporting on this site didn’t help either.
“I’m guessing that Anthony followed up with his sources about the “villain.” Because we know TrekMovie is standing by its stories that the villain is Khan. Just think if you’re a trusted source, and you feed bad information to a respected website. That guy will never be a source for anything again. I’m not an expert on the use of sources. But if a source gives you false information, I wonder if you can disclose or expose the guy.”
This ain’t the New York Times. And ‘sources say’ is very rarely used in journalism. If it’s an unnamed source, or a source asking to be uses without any context (is he/she on the production, with the studio? How do they know?) — the reason is given (sure, here they wouldn’t want to get fired for giving details on a top secret production). Here, sometimes, it seems like the site is bragging about it’s connections. Saying anonymous sources have confirmed something is pretty meaningless.
Sorry, ‘to be used’ and ‘its connections’ — autocorrect.
Again — worst casting ever if the villain is Khan…
@126, I still dream about her… the way she was then, not now as she’s gotten a bit too “angular” for me! :)
@128, you’re absolutely right and I retract that statement. I never liked it as I always thought of that episode as Gene’s way to finagle another series slot on NBC so I don’t think I’ve seen it for a quarter century!
@98. The show was ALWAYS called Star Trek: The Next Generation. It never changed title in any way. Also calling Data an “evil betazoid” would have meant nothing whatsoever to Star Trek fans before the start of STTNG since the first Betazoid ever seen in Star Trek is Deanna Troi, who is also in TNG with Data. Geez, do you actually believe wikipedia or something?
@133. Gotta disagree with you about how Jeri looks today. Having seen her in recurring guest spots on Leverage for a few seasons now I think she looks as good as ever.
@135 I respect your opinion but it’s different strokes for different folks (and no I’m not going to make THAT joke). When she was filling out that catsuit she was IMHO Borgolicious! :)
I think Del Toro was to be cast as a Klingon baddie, not for Cumberbatch’s role. Del Toro did wolf man right? Not a big leap to picture his as a Klingon.
It will have to do with Kirk’s academy days, but it taint Mitchell. How’s Cumberbun’s brogue?
it’s not Gary Mitchell, Urban was just adding to JJ’s misinformation campaign.
In the photos we’ve seen, we see Cumberbatch physically overpowering Spock which no human is capable of except an augment.
Khan.
And now we have the footage… “Karl Urban’s practical joke”
http://www.slashfilm.com/karl-urbans-practical-joke-results-10-seconds-star-trek-2-set-footage/
As long as it is all about “who is the next enemy”, it is probably not Star Trek. It will be probably Star Trek, if they will go out of the movie and talk about what it means to be human!