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Exclusive: Orci Says Star Trek TV Talks Getting Real + Declares Movie Tie-in Comics & Game As Canon July 17, 2012

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: New Animated Trek,Orci/Kurtzman,Star Trek Into Darkness,Trek on TV , trackback

In the second part of his new exclusive interview with TrekMovie.com, writer/producer Roberto Orci reveals how talks about Star Trek returning to TV series are getting real. Orci also finally (after some coaxing) makes a big declaration about the canon status of some of Star Trek’s extended universe materials. He also discusses his future with the franchise after the sequel. 

 

EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW WITH ROBERTO ORCI (PART 2)
Talks Star Trek TV series possibilities + declares (his) EU canon + more

TrekMovie.com: For years I have been pressuring you guys to create an animated series for Star Trek – like you and Alex did with Transformers Prime. Recently you said things are finally heating up and you even mentioned the possibility of live action Trek TV? So to clarify, there are real talks going on with regards to Star Trek on TV, both live-action and animated?

Roberto Orci: They are almost real. The relevant parties haven’t sat down in a room together, but they have sent messages through intermediaries. So after [the 2013 Star Trek sequel] comes out or as its ramping up and after the powers that be determine whether or not Star Trek is back or not – one movie doesn’t make a trend. Two movies starts to indicate that there is a trend and its viable. It will become more real as the year goes on. It is certainly more real than the first time you pressured me into talking about it.

TrekMovie.com: And just to clarify, in the past when we have discussed this the talks were within your circle of trust. Now they have expanded to include other entities, most notably CBS?

Roberto Orci: Yes. Through our agents it has been raised as a question at CBS and as a possibility with the people who are in charge of Trek. So we are thinking about it to see if there is an opportunity there. 

TrekMovie.com: Is there some kind of handshake – or possibly written – agreement between Paramount and CBS for CBS to not do a live-action Star Trek TV series while there is a feature film in development or until after JJ Abrams produces three movies?

Roberto Orci: I don’t know how specific that is. I do know there is an conversation where all parties agree to do what is best for Trek. And sometimes that means leaving space for the movie and it may turn into "maybe we can do both." I don’t think there is a hard and fast rule where if there is a movie you can’t do it. It means let’s be aware of whether or not we are cannibalizing Trek. Let’s be aware of not saturating the audience and having them not be tired of it but hungry for it.

TrekMovie.com: But do you agree with me that an animated series is…

Roberto Orci: Yes. It is less cannibalizing. I would like to see an animated series the most. When I think about it, it is the most different than what we are doing and still in the most in line with it. So I would like to see an animated series.

TrekMovie.com: An animated series done like the new comic books and game you guys are currently overseeing – set in the movie universe with the same characters, having adventures in between the films?

Roberto Orci: Yes, exactly.


The last Star Trek animated series lasted two seasons from 1973-74, now Roberto Orci is talking about making a new one tied to his movie universe

TrekMovie.com: When I was at E3 I spoke to a VP from Paramount who said the upcoming Star Trek movie game is canon from their perspective. So will you guys just wave the canon wand over the game, comic books and upcoming comic books that you are involved with?

Roberto Orci: Well I always say that I arrived in Star Trek where the rules of what is canon had already been established.

TrekMovie.com: Yes, but some of the exceptions were that extended universe things done by creators of filmed canon were also canon. My argument also is that in previous times there was a plethora of filmed material to fill out the canon of the prime universe. So the extended universe stuff was a little bit extra on the side.  With the new movie universe there may be just three feature films, but there could also be an animated show, the comic books, games. In the end there will more extended universe, which is more like how it has been with Star Wars. And the way Lucas handles canon there is that the EU stuff is canon, but the films reserve the right to contradict and trump them. So in your case it would mean that everything in the game, comic books, etc you have overseen, like "Star Trek Countdown" for example, is canon except for anything that was contradicted by the movies. I thought that would be an interesting model and the difference with previous Trek is that
you guys are overseeing all of this. These rules aren’t written in stone from my perspective and I think a lot of fans would like to hear you say, "yes these are all the adventures of Kirk, Spock and the gang and it is all canon and all ties together into a single universe." Again, with the caveat that you reserve the right to contradict any of it in a future movie and that would trump. That’s my pitch to you.

Roberto Orci: OK, based on that then with you Anthony Pascale as a witness, I hereby declare anything that we oversee to be canon.

TrekMovie.com: OK! Do we need to get that in writing? Do we need to get the ghost of Gene Roddenberry to notarize this?

Roberto Orci: Let’s call his son Rod, I’ve got him on speed dial.


Bob Orci declares the movie-universe comics and game (and future EU he oversees including the possible animated series) to be canon

TrekMovie.com: Speaking of future movies, do you expect to be involved in a third Star Trek movie? I know you and Alex have a new deal with Universal, but that allows you to still work on Trek does it not?

Roberto Orci: Yes. I hope we are invited back. I would love to do another one.

TrekMovie.com: And Alex agrees.

Roberto Orci: Yes, absolutely.

TrekMovie.com: What about a fourth, fifth and sixth?

Roberto Orci: I would love to do nothing but Star Trek. However, I am aware that not necessarily being the best thing for Star Trek. I would want someone to tap me on the shoulder the minute it is stale. And I hope I have the self control and will to go "you are right, the best thing for me to do now is make a gracious and easy way for someone to come in and continue on."

If you missed it, check out Part 1 of Bob’s interview where he reveals Star Trek sequel character details and talks about the title, trailer and more.

 

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Comments

1. Elias Javalis - July 17, 2012

Star Trek + live action series = Resurrection of Sci fi (as a genre!)

2. ironhyde - July 17, 2012

Animated Star Trek show? No. I don’t think I would ever watch that. Anyway, just my opinion. I don’t think I’d even check it out… cartoons stopped being fun when I hit highschool. :(

Meanwhile, I remember debating with my friends why Star Trek was better than Star Wars — and one of the most significant points brought up was simply that there’s more of Star Trek. It’s a bigger world, a place you can go back to and watch for months on-end without feeling like it’s old. Star Wars … 6 movies… 3 good ones… it’s so limited. Yes you can love it, but there’s so much less to love. Anyway, my point — I would love to see Star Trek get back to coming out more often and at a faster pace. This waiting 4 years for a second movie when there’s a whole new universe to explore is frustrating. I am totally looking forward to more!

3. Stephan - July 17, 2012

I know that when I am talking to people no one will even know about comics, games and animated shows. Only movies and live actions series would be relevant. An animated show would only run in the kids’ programm. So I am still against an animated show, because I think it would dumb Star Trek down.

And I still think canon is only what is on screen.

So a live action series along with the would be great. Every other stuff leads to Star Trek being nerd stuff (in negative way) or just being irrelevant.

Stephan

4. WillH85 - July 17, 2012

I think a cartoon series would be a big step back for Star Trek and would hurt its chances of reaching a wide fan base and being taken seriously. I’d rather it stay off the air than have a cartoon Trek show. Wait till it can be done right (aka live action) or don’t do it at all.

5. Dr.Kirk - July 17, 2012

A 3D animated series could be okay, if they do not change the heads of the characters like in Clone Wars AND if the stories are okay.

Nevertheless: Star Trek ist about human beings and should not be produced with animated characters instead of real actors / actresses.

I think a crossover like in the novel series “Star Trek – Destiny” would be nice. It should be a series about the future of the next generation and for me it does not matter if before or after the “big bang” of Vulcan. Maybe it could be a timeline where PIcard and his Crew are finding out, there is a parallel galaxy, that is slightly different… ;)

The fans will help you, if you need help, Mr. Orci or Mr. Abrams ;)

6. Kory - July 17, 2012

I’d watch an animated series. I say I won’t watch anymore animated series on tv, but I end up doing it anyways so what is one more?

I think it is something that is easier to do than an actual live action show. Paying people to provide their voices is infinitely cheaper than asking them to actually do on-screen acting. Also less of a constricting schedule for the people who would be in the show. The fact there are things you can achieve in animation that you couldn’t otherwise in live-action would make it a plus.

Right now, I don’t think ST or the industry is at a place where a live action series would do good. An animated series, though, would be a great start for its reentry to television. ST needs to explore outside of the live action arena, and considering animation WAY better than it was in the 70s, it could really be something great with the right vision, art style, and writing.

Er, anyways. Nice to know my investment in the comics is not going to waste. And my eventual purchase of the game. I liked what I saw when I was at E3, so I’m definitely anticipating its release.

7. heisdeadjim - July 17, 2012

That basically confirms the mitchell thing was just karl trolling us Fans ?

8. LOFC_Ed - July 17, 2012

I’m not so sure. I watched some of the animated episodes, but it just wasn’t the same. I’d much rather have another live action series.

9. DoubleDumbA$$OnMe - July 17, 2012

Perhaps it’s the sour taste in my mouth that TAS left there. I bought all of TAS on DVD, and my family and I watched every episode and enjoyed only 2 or 3 of them. They were BAD!

I think heading to another animated series is a terrible idea. . . . A case of history repeating itself. Let’s not make the same mistake twice. . . Stick with what works, and what is enjoyed the most, live action television and movies.

10. MDSHiPMN - July 17, 2012

Nope.

11. Jim - July 17, 2012

How about a Next Generation series in the new universe? That would be interesting.

12. Mel - July 17, 2012

I would watch an animated series, but a live action series is of course much better.

Currently there is no new scifi series based in space on TV. They should use this opportunity of no similar competition.

13. Kory - July 17, 2012

The problem is you guys are assuming this would be like the 70s animated series, and not being able to see animation as a medium of serious storytelling.

Technology is better, there are plenty of amazing artists, animation studios, and writers in the world just itching to get their hands of something like this. Sticking to what is known is the reason Star Trek doesn’t have as much of a presence like it used to. It continues to follow the same equation and fails to do something groundbreaking and new to further expand its popularity.

It isn’t like whatever they make would be some show made for 10-year olds to watch on Saturday mornings (though I’ve seen some intense Saturday morning shows, like Young Justice and LoK. That stuff is definitely does not have kids as its main demographic. Murder-suicide and mind rape don’t really fit into that bill, though look at where those shows are)

14. Darren - July 17, 2012

I don’t like the idea of an animated series at all. It would cause a big debate whether it was canon or not and how it fits in with everything else. I just don’t see it working realistically.

A new live action series set in the new timeline? YES PLEASE!

15. Spock/Uhura Admirer ;-) - July 17, 2012

“I would love to do nothing but Star Trek. However, I am aware that not necessarily being the best thing for Star Trek. I would want someone to tap me on the shoulder the minute it is stale. And I hope I have the self control and will to go “you are right, the best thing for me to do now is make a gracious and easy way for someone to come in and continue on.””

Well said.

16. Shatner's Charisma - July 17, 2012

LIve action show please!

17. CsMisi - July 17, 2012

No for animated show. Star Trek Show. Come on … We have 716 Star Trek Episodes and 11 Movies. What do you think what is more important for a Star Trek fan? A movie every 4-5 years or a TV Series? And I mean live-action TV Series. There is a huge appetite for a real space-opera among sci-fi fans as there are none on TV since a few years back. Cannibalize this appetite and make a real quality Star Trek series, like it was with the 4th season of Enterprise or the later seasons of every other Trek series, and do not make the mistake into making episodic seasons like Enterprise season 1 and 2. But hey … You are the one of the masterminds behind Lost. You know how to do a good TV series so get on it and do your thing with Star Trek because you know how to do it.

18. USS Enterprise B - July 17, 2012

A Live Action series would be So much better than an animated one!! The new animated Transformers tv show is a Kids show. We’re adults here! Live Action is the way to go. I want to see a series set inbetween TOS and TNG time periods, bridging the gap between Kirk and Picard. Lets see a show focused on the USS Enterprise B and C. Bob, if you’re reading this, that’s what I want to see!

19. Anthony Thompson - July 17, 2012

7. heisdeadjim

WHAT confirms it? What are you talking about?

20. Azrael - July 17, 2012

@19. Bob’s statement that the IDW Star Trek comics are canon. This means that Gary Mitchell is as dead as he was in the Prime timeline and will not be in the next movie, thus Karl was pulling our collective legs.

21. eowyn - July 17, 2012

ANIMATED STAR TREK!!!

22. SpockRocks - July 17, 2012

A live action series would mean bringing in another new set of actors to fill the roles. Isn’t doing that once for the movies enough? I would definitely watch a new series if there was one but I quite like the people who have the roles right now and want them to keep them for a while.

23. EM - July 17, 2012

I like the idea of any Trek on TV. A Clone Wars style of animation, just a little more “real” in terms of character appearance, wouls be wonderful!

24. Steve T. in NY - July 17, 2012

I cant believe all the Trekkers that are against the idea of a new Animated Series. Do you think it HAS to be for kids? Aniation can be a vehicle for legitimate, serious storytelling, although I will say that idea has had some fits and starts over the years. Batan: The Aniated Series comes to mind. Originally set to be aired at night, and having adult themes, The First season was simply some of the best work to date ( not counting the Nolan films) but Fox switched to airing the show in the afternoons.. i’m guessing because of ratings. That was a long time ago.
If you look at soe of the newer aniated shows, Yes.. The Clone Wars coes to mind, there are serious stories there that aren’t always for the “kids”. Also the Japanese Ironman series is a very serious show that handles adult themes and storylines well.

I think a new Star Trek Animated Series could do well. It would give us a chance to not have to re-cast actors if they choose to do stories about Kirk and Company, which would be great for continuity as well as allow the actors the ability to do other movies while still being identified with Trek. Also animation can allow a much righer and wilder universe as theres no additional special effects costs to worry about. I say Bring It On!! Done right, it could not only bring Sci-fi back to TV, it could also change the American perceptions of Animation and mostly a kids medium (the masses anway).. Go for it guys!!

25. Steve T. in NY - July 17, 2012

jeez.. sorry about all the typos above.. damn predictive text!! grr!

26. NCC-73515 - July 17, 2012

Oh if Countdown is canon, then so is the TNG crew’s future that was shown there! The logical thing to do with an animated series is to explore that era further. If the TNG cast provides their voices (with guest appearances of DS9 or VOY characters), it would please the TNG/DS9/VOY fans – while the newTOS era is covered by the movies. There is simply no voice that’s more awesome to hear than Patrick Stewart’s ;)

27. cloudynow - July 17, 2012

no to animated series. live action, yes, please!

28. Sean4000 - July 17, 2012

So, Countdown is canon? Hell yeah! Data’s back!

Countdown would make an excellent 4-part mini series with the TNG crew.

Heck in a lot of ways I enjoyed it better than the ST ’09 film itself.

29. Randy H. - July 17, 2012

What a load of fetid dingo’s kidneys! Canon is what is on-screen in filmed productions; other material may be consistent or interesting, but not canon. To say “all I touch is canon” is arrogance personified and no one – not even Roddenberry – ever made that wide sweeping a claim.

I really worry for the future of the franchise if this is the attitude of folks in charge these days.

30. Mark Lynch - July 17, 2012

I’d only want to see an animated series if it was done in a realistic 3D looking kind of way, sort of like Final Fantasy. Not interested in a cartoony looking offering.

Ideally, I’d like to see something live action.

Mind you, if it was animated, why not employ the talents of the remaining original cast and get sound alikes for those, that are sadly, no longer with us?

Then we get more original cast Star Trek episodes…

31. CmdrR - July 17, 2012

Arex & M’Ress!

32. MAXIMUS - July 17, 2012

The game and comics are actually canon? Really? Are you kidding me?

These guys need to leave Star Trek (and now Spider-Man) alone. Like now.

33. Danny - July 17, 2012

An animated show would hopefully be high quality like Star Wars: The lone Wars, TRON Legacy or Transformers Prime, not something to kiddy. It looks like they want the 2013 movie out of the way then makea decision of where to take the franchise.

If it’s animated to me it’s a step forward to having a weekly Trek series. Better than waiting 4 years for a movie. Having the ongoing comic is like having a TV series already – being an ongoing arc it keeps me going – after Orci worked hard with the publishers and the game people it would be senseless to say it doesn’t all count. I like the extra bits to enhance the storyline.

So what would the animated series be? More inbetween adventures of Kirk and crew or something else? Lucas has certainly milked the Clone Wars for over a decade now!

34. Geek Girl - July 17, 2012

I’d love an animated series – especially if it was done in the style of Gargoyles. Beautiful animation and great story telling that had something for kids and adults to enjoy.

35. CanonWars - July 17, 2012

I would feel better about the declaration if it hadn’t been for the misunderstanding of Star Wars canon from the discussion. Lucas considers the Expanded Universe a parallel universe, separate from his own films, much as Roddenberry did. The only difference is that he let them maintain an internal continuity, and the EU makers thus maintain a separate canon system known for its lettered levels which include the G-level films and such. See CanonWars.com for more.

36. jonboc - July 17, 2012

as long as its not anime style, count me in!

37. Kevin - July 17, 2012

I view continuity for Star Trek vs. Star Wars as such:

Star Trek canon is only things that are filmed as there is so much, the universe is entirely fleshed out. There is so much continuity conflict among the books and comics that you’d have to pick and choose what you accept as canon, and that’s too hard to keep track of.

Star Wars canon is able to include the books and comics because there is so little filmed and the EU, as it is called, is able to keep their own continuity logical with relatively little conflict within itself.

Even though I consider myself a Trekkie, I am able to tell you more about the EU of Star Wars than Star Trek because of how easy the continuity is to follow.

Who knows though, I might accept the stuff in the Alternate Universe EU better because the current keeper of the continuity (Orci) is directly involved telling writers what they can and cannot do.

38. Matt Decker - July 17, 2012

It’s a freaking FICTIONAL universe.. anybody can do anything they want.. sheesh… you think for a minute, that if someone like JJ Abrams decided to tell a story that was ‘against canon’, that a. someone would stop him from making money on it, and b. we wouldn’t pay to go see it?… come on… It’s a story. Have fun, enjoy, let go of reality…

The Mitchell thing is real. This is all just JJ’s army making up for Karl’s mistake after being tired.

39. AJ - July 17, 2012

Make an animated series that will appeal to adults, like old TAS (real sci-fi stories), but that is cool enough for the kids.

For CBS, it is an investment in the future of the franchise.

40. Damian - July 17, 2012

15–Agreed. That was Rick Berman’s biggest problem. Contrary to what many here say, Rick Berman did put out some great Star Trek in the 90′s. There was a time he was king of the hill, with First Contact being a blockbuster, and Deep Space Nine coming into it’s own. His problem is he did not know when to take a step back until it was too late.

The current team being involved with so many other things may be an advantage in that regard.

Re: canonizing the comic books, etc. in the alternate universe. The novel writers of the currently relaunches will have to take note if that is true. When they approach 2387 they’ll need to account for the Countdown Comics. The Typhon Pact books have made hints about that already (Picard is considering diplomacy as a possible new career tract, and it’s interesting to note in “Raise the Dawn” when the Tzenkethi create an artificial wormhole, Sisko considers the ramifications of anchoring it to a star or planet, and possibly injecting it with something to destroy it–hinting possibly at Red Matter–which was designed to halt a supernova originally).

41. Planet Pandro - July 17, 2012

I don’t see Orci/”Supreme Court”‘s definition of canon as arrogant. The new movie continuity is their world and its up to them to define it as they see fit! They are not infringing on established prime universe canon, just adding to their own alternate universe. They oversee Star Trek right now, and their universe is theirs to define until someone else takes the reigns.
I for one am glad that Bob Orci is at least interested in making everything in the new movie continuity count, and everything compatible. Some of the prime universe EU stuff is SO contradictory to itself/canon that I can’t take it seriously!

42. Legate Damar - July 17, 2012

I would love to see a new Star Trek TV show, and I will definetly watch whatever Trek show gets released, but a cartoon that ties in with the new movies is a terrible idea. I don’t have anything against cartoons. I’m a huge fan of Disney and Pixar movies, as well as a few TV cartoons like Spongebob, Family Guy, and Futurama. But, outside of comedies, how many cartoons are really treated as serious adult entertainment? Trek tried being animated once, and it was perhaps the worst piece of crap I’ve ever seen. It was even worse than the first season of TNG. Trek is serious science fiction and should always be live action. Putting a TV show in the new movie timeline is an even worse idea than making it animated. The new movie timeline is an interesting diversion, but I wouldn’t really want to see more than a trilogy of movies set within it. We have already seen the adventures of Captain Kirk and the Enterprise crew, and seeing another series with them but in an alternate timeline would not be too interesting. The next Star Trek series should show us a new period in the history of the original Star Trek timeline. Either show us what happenned in between Enterprise and TOS, or show us what happenned after Nemesis. If I wanted to see Captain Kirk exploring strange new worlds every week, then I would just turn on TOS or TAS.

43. Christopher Roberts - July 17, 2012

[quote]“For years [b]I[/b] have been pressuring you guys to create an animated series for Star Trek”[/quote]

[quote]But do you agree with me that an animated series is…[/quote]

—-

Anthony, I do believe that you’ve finally gone mad with power…

44. Sunfell - July 17, 2012

I’d watch an animated series- especially if it has the new cast in it. Today’s technology and capacity for realism would be an interesting combination with the TrekVerse. I say go for it.

And if the comic series in the AU is canon, all I can say is that there are going to be some interesting scenes in the new movie.

45. SoonerDave - July 17, 2012

No Trek cartoons. Please.

46. Craiger - July 17, 2012

Sounds to me like we wont get a new live action or animated Trek TV series until Paramount and CBS see if the sequel is a success? Anthony I what would it take for the sequel to be considered a flop, even though I hope its succesful.

47. Jeyl - July 17, 2012

Well, here’s credit to Robert Orci for saying that all the work that writers, artists and programmers do for something that consumers pay actual money for finally amounts to something that counts.

48. NoKhanPlease - July 17, 2012

Um, he doesn’t get to do that. I treat that as a joke, especially in light of how it came up.

I once got Bruce Timm on a message board to declare an episode of Batman Beyond as out of the continuity. Doesn’t mean I took him seriously.

Live action–canon. Animated series? Could be canon. Comics/books/etc., not canon. Besides, declaring comics canon is stupid because it takes away things they could do in the future. It also could contradict stuff they would like to do.

49. New Horizon - July 17, 2012

2. ironhyde – July 17, 2012

You obviously haven’t watched the new Transformers animated show. I’m 37 and that show is awesome.

50. NoKhanPlease - July 17, 2012

Just to add one more thing–if they reserve the right to contradict anything, then it can’t be considered canon.

For example, they won’t contradict something that was crystal clear in the last movie. You won’t see Spock’s mom or Kirk’s dad popping up at the Enterprise Christmas party.

Likewise, say they do some time travel comic story and show Uhura’s Orion roommate as an old woman. That wouldn’t stop them from killing her in this movie, and who cares about the contradiction because it’s not canon.

By Orci’s logic, they can incorporate Shatner’s books, and use Kirk Prime because in the books, Kirk Prime is alive.

They won’t do that, and chose NOT to do that last time because since 99.9999 percent don’t READ books, comics, or play games, they would still have to explain how Kirk Prime is alive.

Canon with the right to contradict is not canon. Kind of goes against the definition.

51. Dear Leader - July 17, 2012

These so-called producers need to go back to Roddenberry’s original vision. Canon, non-canon, fire the cannons, etc… the Great Bird of the Galaxy is probably doing backflips in his grave. These new age so-called writers are not in it for Trek, they’re in it for a paycheck, and just like the recent movie, they’re destroying everything that us die-hard fans live for.

52. VZX - July 17, 2012

@4 WillH85:

Yeah, animated shows aren’t taken seriously. Just like how the animated Batman the Brave and the Bold REALLY killed the integrity of the Batman character so much that no one will see The Dark Knight Rises this weekend. Or: The Avengers did so poorly because of it’s animated shows.

Don’t be so snobby or closed-minded.

53. Craiger - July 17, 2012

I think they are saying that all the Abrams Trek Universe stuff is canon and that is different from the old Trek Universe canon.

54. Christopher Roberts - July 17, 2012

Canon = whatever the audience can remember seeing, or at the very least, might have heard about.

If they can’t remember seeing it, then flashbacks are required.
— The events of “Where No Man Has Gone Before” and who Gary Mitchell is… presumably.

If they heard about it, then a namecheck or a reference.
— There once was a senior Starfleet pioneer called Archer, famous for owning a beagle.

55. spooky - July 17, 2012

I can’t believe the comments on here… lets remake TNG. Are you frakking serious?!

I think a cartoon series now would just cheapen the Star Trek name even more so than it would to improve it. Please just leave it be for now. Isn’t it enough we are getting a movie and blu-ray sets? A TV show would drown the market again.

I hope they wait ten years before bringing anything Star Trek to TV and with a different group of writers and producers involved. This current group have not in my mind brought anything new. They have repackaged existing characters with their own ideas. By all rights, this upcoming movie will prove whether or not that direction can sustain itself.

A TV show at this point would probably be a bad idea anyway. Sci-Fi is a genre that is really starting to loose its lustre. I think fantasy/mythical/folklore will be taking over sometime this or next year with the Hobbit movies and Game of Thrones, Once Upon a Time and so on being a big deal. I could sort of see some producer maybe coming up with a Trek series in this way. Something to do with myth, legend, or something to that effect.

How about a Fantasy/Folklore/Mythical Trek Series?

1. Explore ancient Klingon society, their heroes or characters mentioned in the TV Serieses who have created Klingon society. Stories would be woven into myths and so on, etc. Oh, and there would be space battles every so often. Or they could do stories about how Klingons got into space, etc. ( : 0 No?! Okay, moving on.

2. Enterprise did some storylines with the Vulcans and Romulans, I would love to see more of that. The war on Vulcan and the diverting of Vulcans and Romulans. How Romulans came to settle Romulus, etc. Throw in some space battles… ( : o Still no?! Alrighty then.

3. Okay, how about Bajor: Maybe show the primative Bajorans and the humanoid form Prophets before they became the Wormhole Prophets. This would explore where the Prophets and Pagh Wraiths originated.
And through in some spa… }: I Still no?! To hell with ya then!

LOL

I would love to see Trek on TV again but I think it is still too soon. the movies should suffice as will the upcoming releases of the TNG Blu-ray sets. If they are successful with those, I hope CBS and Paramount gives DS9, Voy, and Ent the same treatment after the TNG Blu-Ray cycle ends

*Off-Topic:
I have been watching the Stargate DVDs. From Season 4 onward there are audio commentaries pretty much on every episodes by directors, producers, writers and actors involved with the show. Yet, these DVD sets cost less then what Paramount is putting out. If CBS or Paramount is listening. Check of those DVDs and learn how to put a DVD or Blu-Ray set together. Nobody likes talking head documentaries with Rick Berman.

56. VZX - July 17, 2012

Anyway, if an animated show does happen, I would hope that is done in a non-canon way. Like I mentioned above, the Batman and Avengers animated shows are all done in a different universe compared to their live-action film versions. It would free the show-runners up a lot to do their own thing.

We could also get different versions of the ships and uniforms, etc.

57. VZX - July 17, 2012

We now for sure that Gary Mitchell cannot be in the new movie since Orci declared the comics as canon.

Hmmm…Khan was not in the new comics. How very interesting.

58. Cervantes - July 17, 2012

Personally, I’m not too bothered about how contradictory (or unsatisfactory) any ‘Extended Universe’ across different media turns out to be…as I just imagine that anything outwith the original TOS series/movies are just ‘alternate universe(s)’ material anyway, including the ‘Generations’ movie…

Works for me, and the reverse can work for anyone that prefers the ‘Next Gen’ stuff etc., if they wish.

But I’m always open to yet another live-action ‘alternate universe’ Trek series appearing on the gogglebox again, one day.

59. Horatio - July 17, 2012

I’m not a big anime guy but if an animated series keeps Trek viable – more power to it.

60. Devon - July 17, 2012

#51 – That post is 99% for sure a parody of any of the naysayers comments. Well done!

61. KiwiDB - July 17, 2012

No animated Star Trek is right. VZX, you describe two current, live, largely film-based franchises which had largely ignored animated aspects. The Batman film series is the series, with various Batman animated series on the side. Same with The Avengers. In both of those cases the films are “mainstream” and the animated series appeal to a small set of fans and kids. (Maybe it shouldn’t be that way, but a lot of people won’t give an animated series the time of day, “animation of for kids”) Star Trek has traditionally been a TV franchise with a film component, and I think we can all agree the franchise is not exactly thriving right now.

If Star Trek on TV is going to survive, it needs to evolve — “Lost” set in space, as a prime-time series on CBS or otherwise. I do not see that happening with an animated series, it’ll go the way of the recent Star Wars animated series…it’ll have a following, but it by no means would be entering mainstream culture. And unless Star Trek wants to become a film series with a supplementary TV component for those who are interested in more, instead of two equal branches of the franchise, a new TV series would need to do that, or why waste the time. And done well, I don’t think there’s any risk of saturation, like multiple TV series would/did.

62. Montreal_Paul - July 17, 2012

@20. Azrael – July 17, 2012
” Bob’s statement that the IDW Star Trek comics are canon. This means that Gary Mitchell is as dead as he was in the Prime timeline and will not be in the next movie, thus Karl was pulling our collective legs.”

Not so. I am guessing you didn’t read the comic and are assuming that it ended like the TOS episode. I suggest you read it again… and pay attention to the ending! You may change your mind.

63. Cervantes - July 17, 2012

And just to add to my comments on post #58 – I also prefer to consider that beginning of J.J.’s 2009 movie takes place in an ‘alternate universe’ to the ‘Prime’ TOS series universe to begin with, even before Nero’s intervention…

I can appreciate things better this way, rather than get worked up about any details like plotlines, characters, or production design I dislike, lol.

64. Chancellor Gowron - July 17, 2012

I’m really starting to get pissed off at CBS. First, they make Elementary, which is clearly just a shitty ripoff of Sherlock, and now they’re talking about making Star Trek into a cartoon?

65. Jack - July 17, 2012

Apart from adult swim, family guy, etc… animated series are for kids. And even then. But that’s just me.

As a young kid I loved TOS, but I found TAS boring. Neat, but boring. Part of it was the voices and music. And believe me, I watched cartoons (spiderman, scooby doo, everything else, heck, I even watched Rubick, The Amazing Cube) back then.

66. Daoud - July 17, 2012

@51 He was cremated. Sorry, no backflips. Funny though.
.
Heck, the first season of TOS conflicts with itself so many times. Need we related all the “agencies” Kirk supposedly reported to? Space Central? Star Command? UESPA? and the list goes on. General Orders 7? Only 12 like her in the fleet? And so on. Lithium/dilithium? Records officer in an ejectable ion pod, huh? Vulcanian/Vulcan? “One of my ancestors was human”? Just one, eh?…
.
@Bob: Thank you for blessing us with a visit at The Dawn of Boborcanon! Absolutely a great idea to declare the JJ alterverse as a different kind of canon, seriously. The prime universe is still free for everyone to play in….

67. rm10019 - July 17, 2012

Animtated shows ARE taken seriously… by young fans. Please you guys stop thinking that 30, 40, 50 and 60 year olds are important to the future of Star Trek. 10, 11, and 12 year olds are. Bob, please produce a great Trek Animated project with the morality plays that make Trek ‘Trek’ and cultivate a new fanbase! Thanks for all that you have done, and the effort you have put into all these Trek projects.

68. NoKhanPlease - July 17, 2012

Regarding Animated shows–

They can absolutely be canon. They are available to millions on TV. The only difference between animated cartoons and live action is visual. But the stories, production, etc., no problem.

Big difference between animated shows and comics.

And with STAR TREK, they absolutely can do it right.

69. JimJ - July 17, 2012

RE: Jim and TNG remake in this universe. First of all, since we have (or are using, maybe in your case) the same first name, let’s all be clear that I am the original JimJ, not Jim. LOL! Now then, I DO see where you are coming from about how it MAY be interesting, but, NO THANKS!!! As much as I support where these movies are going and like what this group is doing, let’s not remake everything. Reboots are living on borrowed time. I saw the new Spiderman and was thoroughly bored. This new kid is an unlikeable punk, IMO. Anyway…..

I could handle an animated series with this universe. I think it may be the way to go unitl the movies are done for this universe. After that, who knows……..there are always possibilities…….

70. Mr. Anonymous - July 17, 2012

Remember how awesome “Batman: The Animated Series” was in the 90′s? That’s probably closer to what they’re talking about for a Trek toon than the 70′s Trek toon. At least, I would hope.

71. Mr. Anonymous - July 17, 2012

And, plus, it’d get kids into Star Trek at a much younger age, thus producing more lifelong fans. See? Big picture. :)

72. Bob Tompkins - July 17, 2012

20 years ago, I began to lobby long and hard in every medium I could access [fanzines, BBses, Newsgroups] to finish TOS’ original 5 year mission in some sort of animated form, first in ‘normal’ cartoon animation, then in CGI but always utilizing the voices of as many original characters as possible and soundalikes when not.
It is something I still stand by. Fill in those irritating gaps in the Prime Universe, the heretofore empty time between TOS and TMP and TMP and TWOK and FF and TUC.
Some DC comics, with varying degrees of success, attempted to fill in the time between movies with backstory. Especially interesting was the ‘gap’ between Star Trek 2 & 3 and 3 & 4. It took some skill to tell stories with Saavik filling the Science Officer role on Enterprise between 2 & 3 and to give Spock adventures between 3 & 4 and then return him to his empty slate state to kick off 4. It was also a hoot to see Kirk in command of Excelsior.
So there is a history of this sort of thing; I would still love to see it skillfully done.
These are eras that are rife with possibilities, rich with backstory and it is something I believe people young and old would watch.

73. Nony - July 17, 2012

I’d *love* to watch a great animated series with the Enterprise crew. 2D animation, not 3D. We’ve seen with things like Korra and other series like the abovementioned Batman:TAS and Gargoyles that animation can be mature and involving while still being accessible to a younger audience.

74. Ben - July 17, 2012

I prefer live action tv (mini) series, no matter in which universe to comics, books, cartoons and even movies.

75. Bruce Banner - July 17, 2012

Star Trek The new Animated Series:
Enter gray rabbit with white trim.
First Line: Ahhhh What’s Up Spock!

76. Brent - July 17, 2012

Animation does not equal a kid’s show. A lot of people still seem to have a knee jerk attitude that animation, or cartoon as people sometimes use as an insult, should not be taken seriously even if it is well written. That is very short sighted. A good example is Star Wars: The Clone Wars. The average episode is considerably better than the prequels. And people actually die in TCW. Batman: TAS Is another classic show that works better as an animated series than a live action one. Other shows of note that are quite adult are The Simpsons, Family Guy & American Dad.
I am amazed that so many still think “cartoons” are only for kids.

77. Legate Damar - July 17, 2012

67-Star Trek is not a children’s show. Some excellent scifi franchises, such as Doctor Who and Star Wars are geared towards younger audiences, but Star Trek is really for teenagers and adults. I refuse to believe that the only way that a science fiction franchise can be successful is if it is taken seriously by ten year olds.

78. Planet Pandro - July 17, 2012

53,

That was my understanding as well. He is not declaring ALL trek comics, books, tie-ins as canon, just the comics, etc attached to the new movie continutiy. Like I mentioned earlier, the JJ/Orci etc Alt. timeline is theirs to do with as they see fit, and it is their call as to what is their canon and what isn’t. Orci says “ST: Ongoing” is canon in their timeline, it’s canon in their timeline.

79. Red Dead Ryan - July 17, 2012

I say that CBS is not going to produce a new live action “Star Trek” series until 2020, at the earliest. Right now we have the movies featuring the TOS cast. Plus the network tv climate is pretty hostile to sci-fi. Even specialty channels are staying away from or reducing their sci-fi content.

An animated series though, would be worth a roll of the dice. Plus you need the ten year olds to get hooked.

80. visitor1982 - July 17, 2012

I want a live action series, not some animated stuff… I want to see real actors, not some cartoon stuff. I won’t be watching cartoons. I’ve never watched TAS and most people are not interested in that either. It’s live or nothing for me.

It’s time for Trek to back on TV in 2016! (A)live and well!

81. Gary Makin - July 17, 2012

Wait till after the third movie for a live-action show. It’ll hurt the box office of the movies otherwise.

82. JC - July 17, 2012

Whoever is ripping on the old cartoon is a fanboy with no taste. That old animation is a million times better than new “American” cartoons.

83. Tony - July 17, 2012

The new BSG was good sci-fi, it did well ratings wise too.

As for an animated series, it’d be a great idea because it would be cheaper to do compared to a live series but still done well. Animation now-a-days can do amazing things and appeal to a wide range of audiences.

Animation =/= kid’s show.

84. VZX - July 17, 2012

61. KiwiDB: I don’t agree with you. The animated Star Trek existed seven years before there was a film version, so I don’t understand your argument. Star Trek, because of it’s sci-fi and swashbuckler genre, is a perfect fit for action-oriented animation. How is that different from superhero franchises?

There are some great animated series that have existed that carry a lot of story-telling merit: they are not just for kids. I do not understand why many here are worried about Trek losing its integrity from an animated show. I mean, they are making Kree-O toys of Star Trek, for crying out loud! I would think that is much worse than a cartoon!

85. Bill - July 17, 2012

well you could always argue that what str wars did right was appeal more to children. An animated series done well is cheaper to produce, you can do it faster, make more and stil have decent scripts.

Would i like a live aciton star trek? Who wouldn’t. But if you want all those cool toys, and I know you do, and you want to hide them behind the guise of my child wanted them honey. Then perhaps this is the best way to get little johnny into star trek and make more for us….

Just my 2 cents.

86. Space Enthusiast - July 17, 2012

Today and for the past few years we have no show in space, star trek = gone, stargate= gone. It seems we have a space vacuum(no pun) The time could not be more right to have Star trek on TV. Animated would not be my first choice but I’ll take what I can get, as some have mentioned there are lots of animated shows on now that do very well but there primary focus is adult humor and sex which has little to no place in the star trek world. I’d vote for a live action Star Trek or nothing. If all else fails a good fall back would be to give Joss Wheaton 10 million bucks and get five more seasons of firefly, that could fill the void. I’m looking forward to the Trek2 movie, I have my fingers crossed that we will get a live action Star Trek on TV…….

87. Legate Damar - July 17, 2012

76-Cartoons(I don’t know why you think the word is an insult) only really work towards adults as comedy. Futurama, for example, is a great adult scifi show, but nobody would suggest that it is the same kind of show as Star Trek. There are advantages to animation, but none that would be advantages to Star Trek.

88. Frank Fischer - July 17, 2012

Saturated by Trek because of ONE movie? :-) I (and my wife ) are crazy for more Star Trek! Please bring it back to TV! This would be a dream come true. And to those readers froms CBS: We will watch the TV series AND go into the movie many times! Because you have ice cream very two (or four years) doesn’t mean you are saturated of ice… :-) More Trek is always the prefered choice. It helps to keeps the franchise exciting and interesting! A sole movie every now and then results in losing interest in the franchise because of boredom.
By the way: we would clearly prefer a live-action series but would watch the animated one too! Thank you Bob for keeping Trek alive! We cross our fingers!!
Best regards,
Frank (from Germany)

89. shpock - July 17, 2012

as long as they still run toward the “camera” :-)

90. Space Enthusiast - July 17, 2012

Siting here thinking, what would be the greatest thing. I’d love to see the cast from new trek in the live action TV series, much like Next gen but in reverse. And if nothing pans out remember we could fall back to firefly, cowboys in space what could be better and anything directed by wheaton is a winner TV or big screen….

91. MJ - July 17, 2012

No Bob Orci, as much as I like your work on Trek 2009, you are not the person who gets to unilaterally decide that some comic books of Trek are canon. That is unnacceptable, and I don’t recognize this pronouncement as being legitimate.

“An animated series done like the new comic books and game you guys are currently overseeing – set in the movie universe with the same characters, having adventures in between the films?”

I have no interest in this form of Trek. I’d rather have movies only versus cartoons and comic books. If it is on TV, it needs to be live action Trek.

92. Lancelot Narayan - July 17, 2012

I don’t know if we can trust this guy. Look at the photo. He can’t even get the Vulcan salute right.

I’m from England, by the way.

93. MJ - July 17, 2012

@64 “I’m really starting to get pissed off at CBS. First, they make Elementary, which is clearly just a shitty ripoff of Sherlock, and now they’re talking about making Star Trek into a cartoon?”

I agree 100%

94. Craiger - July 17, 2012

What if it has Clone Wars type CGI?

95. Craiger - July 17, 2012

MJ, what if they have a new type of canon with the new Universe?

96. Captain Hackett - July 17, 2012

I would love to watch an animated or live Star Trek series on TV as long as Rick Berman and Brannon Braga are not involved with them!

97. Red Dead Ryan - July 17, 2012

There is also the matter of a potential lawsuit from Paramount if their rival CBS goes ahead with a new series. There probably is a clause that states that as long as it makes movies, CBS can’t make a new show without its permission. And Paramount won’t let them because it means CBS would profit and benefit from the new brand recognition that J.J Abrams has brought to the franchise.

Even if no such clause exists, Paramount’s lawyers would still be able to keep CBS tied up in the courts which would then lead to CBS giving up.

Bob Orci can’t really discuss this because he wasn’t one of the signers of the agreement between Paramount and CBS, and as such, has no direct knowledge, nor the legal standing to give us the details.

So I wouldn’t really take his statements with anything more than a grain of salt.

98. MJ - July 17, 2012

@94. LOL. I mean seriously, if this were the 1960′s, this would be like Anthony and Orci behind the scenes “in a smoke filled room” deciding for all time for all Trek fans that we have to accept even the silly video game as canon, and the the Roddenberry canon rules not longer apply. And I also don’t think Anthony speaks for a majority of us here in promoting his own agenda with Bob for wanting an animated series.

This is just a difference of opinion I have with Bob and Anthony though, so hopefully my comments here will not be taken as something that gets me booted from this site. We are all Trek fans here, and can disagree on items like this.

99. Craiger - July 17, 2012

RDR, I wonder if it was stupid to break up Paramount into to separate divisions and that turned out to be bad for Trek?

100. shpock - July 17, 2012

@94

a canon cannon?

101. Uberbot - July 17, 2012

Prefer a live action series over animated. A great Final Fantasy style 3D animated series would be worth watching. Not really interested in another 2D animated series.

I applaud Roberto on his quote about wanting someone to “tap him on the shoulder” if Star Trek got “stale” to make way for someone with a fresh approach and fresh ideas! Wow, no ego there. Too bad Berman, Braga, and Ron Moore didn’t have that same way of thinking…

102. boborci - July 17, 2012

29.0h please. have a little fun. i said and have said exactly what you just said forever, but Pascale pushed me, he wont give up! i have said a million times that we cant determine what is canon. on this day, i said something else. “consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds”

103. Red Dead Ryan - July 17, 2012

#90.

I also find it interesting that they allow themselves to contradict their own canon. So in that respect, they have lost some credibility.

So, if for instance that Gary Mitchell is in the sequel, the previous statements about how “villains from the comics wouldn’t be in the sequel” would be a lie. But now Bob has given himself a loophole where he can say “yeah, the comics may be canon, but we’re allowed to contradict them with our movies”.

For a guy who claims to hate politicians, Bob sure knows how to talk like one. :-)

I still think Khan is the villain, but if it is Mitchell, I won’t admit to being wrong because it would be clear the writers have disengenuously misled/lied to us on multiple levels.

104. boborci - July 17, 2012

92. john lennon school of posing. look ret@*ded. dont take self seriously.

105. Red Dead Ryan - July 17, 2012

Damn, my post was meant for MJ. #91

DAMN TYPOS!!!

106. Damian - July 17, 2012

I don’t get too boggled up about what is canon, what is not. I am an avid novel reader, as I noted numerous times. I generally accept the stories (particularly the relaunches) as part of the Star Trek story unless contradicted on screen. And with the relaunches, I doubt there is much risk of being contradicted on screen, since the spin-offs are likely over on screen for all time.

Re; the animated series, I think Paramount has determined now that is considered canon.

107. Jake - July 17, 2012

@66 The thing about this examples though is the fact that, for one thing, when we realized that Spock’s mother was human, it basically retconned his earlier comments about having “a human ancestor” as being sarcasm, or as a way to be misleading about his ‘embarrassing’ heritage as a half-human. And other things can be retconned as being exaggeration, sarcasm, jokes, or flat out lies, if need be.

The point is, canon is malleable.
And also, @29
The thing with Star Wars is that the books are C-level canon, meaning basic canon, perfectly acceptable continuations of the original films. But movies are G-level, AKA George Lucas level canon.

There will always be contradictions, it’s part of movies and TV shows anyway. Even stand-alone films have inconsistencies, it happens. The point is that, because the books are canon, they can Retcons contradictions, and do so effectively. It’s been done in the ST films before just fine. B4 in Nemesis? Retcon. Eugenics Wars in the 90′s and connections to WWIII? Retconned several times. Point is, a larger canon universe is funner for the fans, and though writers should know what came before, mistakes can be retconned.
Not a big deal.

But I would not much enjoy an animated series.. UNLESS…
Unless it was the only way to see the continuing adventures of characters in the Prime Universe. I’d love to at least see a canonical comic series for the PU TNG/DS9/VOY characters.. Live action is always preferable though.

Why not continue Enterprise, or even Voyager, after Voyager’s return home? Visit characters we’ve seen before, in one way or another.

108. Vultan - July 17, 2012

The good news is that television—well, cable television—seems to be opening up a bit more to science fiction. SyFy—that’s right, SyFy, believe it or not—has a few new shows in the works. And I read something about AMC working on their own sci-fi show.

Maybe, just maybe we’ll see Trek on TV again… this century.

109. Bernd Schneider - July 17, 2012

From a Q&A session from 2009:

cugel the clever: “In “Countdown”, the Narada effortlessly destroyed an armada of 24th century Klingon warships and disabled the Enterprise-E with one volley. However, in the film, the Kelvin (and early 23rd century ship) actually managed to exchange fire and survive for at least several minutes. It even managed to damage the Narada by ramming it. Logically, this makes no sense…. it should have been destroyed immediately (and Kirk&mother killed) given the firepower possessed by the Narada. This is like the Merrimac surviving a firefight with the Bismark. Care to explain this inconsistency?”

BobOrci: “Easy. The comic is not canon?”

Source: http://trekmovie.com/2009/05/22/orci-and-kurtzman-reveal-star-trek-details-in-trekmovie-fan-qa/

Anthony: I don’t think it has much relevance for me that you coaxed Orci into declaring the EU canon, although I admire your insistence. ;-)

Star Trek’s canon has served us well for the past 20-25 years, and I don’t see a reason to change the whole concept on popular demand. Being requested to fill some gaps should have no bearing on the canon status of EU material. Canon should act as a common demoninator for all fans, which is not the case if it takes into account an arbitrary selection of material from different media, and with different weights.

For the writers and producers the concept of canon has always been somewhat flexible, irrespective of the official statements. They granted themselves a (fortunately limited) freedom to ignore some canon facts from the series and movies. They could always choose whether to take into account novels or comics, they simply didn’t bother referring to them so far. Including certain elements from the EU really isn’t a big deal to Orci, only that it gains a whole new significance by the statement “It is canon”. In my experience “canon” means “a pool of facts that we may or may not choose to refer to” when writers speak of it.

110. They call me Stasiu - July 17, 2012

Animation is animation. As long as the art style is an asset to convey both detailed environments and a character’s emotions simply yet effectively, all in the name of a good story, I’ll watch it.

111. Stephan - July 17, 2012

@boborci:

Just want you to know that in Germany animated series are always seen by the general public as shows for kids, no matter how well made they are. The movie will be taken seriously if it is right in tone. Even a live action scifi show has problems to make its way into the focus of people which are older than 14. I remember that even TOS’ first run was scheduled saturday morning because everyone thought it was for kids. TNG changed that. TNG has been taken seriously and still runs in reruns. So for the German market a well made live action TV show could make its way beyond the horizon of only a few geeks and make its way into prime time programming.

And my personal opinion: Please do a live action TV-show, no matter in what part of the Star Trek multiverse. I would so look forward to a K/O Productions Star Trek show.

Greetings from Germany,

Stephan

112. Buzz Cagney - July 17, 2012

I think a cartoon, sorry, animated series is a good way to test the waters and, hopefully, continue to grow interest alongside the movies. Only when the seed has fully sprouted and begun to flower properly should another Live series been considered.
Vults, I have 20 years on you and i’m willing to wait!!

113. AJ - July 17, 2012

According to Gene Roddenberry, depending on what you read, Season 3 of TOS is not even canon, and TAS is definitely not, except for the ep where Spock is a kid (Thanks to TOS remastered Amok Time and ST09).

Whatever works in your mind is canon after 800 shows and 11 films + other iterations. I take the old “Starfleet Technical Manual” as canon, though it’s not.

114. Buzz Cagney - July 17, 2012

#111 Original Trek was certainly not considered a kids show in the UK. Perhaps the Germans have superior intellects and bloom at an early age? :))
And personally speaking with kids and robots at every turn I thought TNG was the most childish of all the Trek shows!

115. Buzz Cagney - July 17, 2012

Actually now that I think of it TOS was massive in Germany. No way was it considered a kids show that had to wait for TNG to be taken seriously.
Thats just so much teutonic cobblers.

116. MJ - July 17, 2012

@111. “Just want you to know that in Germany animated series are always seen by the general public as shows for kids, no matter how well made they are. ”

Same here in the U.S. Cartoon Network = stuff kids mainly watch, with a few twentysomethings thrown in.

117. Tom - July 17, 2012

#104 boborci

Seriously , like Lennon and Kurtzman(Mccartney) you would be most welcome for a third movie and /or animated series. One condition Just do the damn Shatner hologram scene!!!!!!!! Read another article (collider) that the guy want in.

118. Jake - July 17, 2012

@109 I like your description of canon in your last parahraph.

I think what makes something canon is taken a little too seriously sometimes.. Honestly, it makes the Star Wars universe work better. In Star Trek you have movies and TV, but once you’ve SEEN it all, you have nothing else. So who cares if newer games and comics overseen by the moviemakers are seen as canon? Works just fine for Star Wars, which has around 200 novels and just to give an idea of how many comics there are.. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_comics

The point is, Star Trek’s talking heads seem lazy in comparison. What’s so hard about telling fans they can see a little more of their characters and what really happened to them? It’s like Star Trek thinks it’s better than, or above, other series.

119. Magic_Al - July 17, 2012

I don’t understand the cannibalization argument. How is having simultaneous multiple TV series and movies a good and very successful idea for 15 years and then suddenly not a good idea as of 2002?

Nemesis and Enterprise died of their own wholly independent causes. Enterprise wouldn’t have stayed on the air longer if Nemesis had not been made, and Nemesis wouldn’t have been more successful if there was no Enterprise.

120. MJ - July 17, 2012

@118 “Honestly, it makes the Star Wars universe work better”

If that is the example you are going with, then give me Rodenberry canon any day.

One word my friend:

“Midichlorians”

Enough said. :-))

121. Hugh Hoyland - July 17, 2012

@Boborci

Are you the Walrus?

122. Jake - July 17, 2012

@117 I love that idea.. I just read about that scene recently, and I think ending ST3 with Spock giving that hologram to new Spock would be the greatest way to end a movie, and perhaps a great ending to the opening 3 movies of what I hope can become a new series with more movies and maybe a new show. That would be pretty awesome.

123. Anthony Pascale - July 17, 2012

I think it should be clear from what I have written in the past that I believe Star Trek’s best destiny is live action TV and that should be the holy grail.

However, logistically and politically, I don’t see that happening until after at least 3 JJ Abrams movies. A live action TV series would be very expensive and be more likely to conflict with the movies in terms of building the brand. This gets more complicated as it would be CBS doing TV and Paramount doing movies. So I think live action TV is a goal for a few years from now.

However, I see no reason why there isn’t an animated series that is complementary to the movies on TV right now. It is actually getting so that Star Trek is one of the only big active genre film franchises that doesn’t have an animated series tie-in. I see it as essentially an animated version of the ongoing STAR TREK comics from IDW.

Realistically the earliest a 3rd JJ Star Trek film would come out is 2015, which would put a live action show to be 2016 at the earliest (and that is optimistic). Theoretically an animated series could be on the air by late 2013. So my view is that the animated series in the low hanging fruit of the Trek on TV. But they should still do the live action whenever feasible.

And if you watch some of the new animated shows like the Star Wars one or the new Tron one, they are clearly not ‘just cartoons’ but shows that can appeal to fans of all ages and hopefully create new fans.

124. Mike - July 17, 2012

I am shocked by how many people here would not watch animated Trek. I thought that Trek fans would generally be accepting of animation as a viable and relevant medium. I would kill to watch this show.

125. Stephan - July 17, 2012

@ buzz cagney (114):

Maybe Germans have superior intellects, well, I don’t know, someone from outside has to judge, but that’s not my point. ;)
The reason for TOS was that scifi back in those times was in general considered as childish. And that’s why nearly no one gave it a try. This opinion changed over the decades a little but not much. But if it deliveres scifi gets good word of mouth advertising.

But TNG had a better reputation from the beginning. And indeed TNG was considered a lot more mature because it featured bigger themes and better dialogue not just cowboys in space like tos. ;)

Greetings,

Stephan

126. Stephan - July 17, 2012

@anthony:

The point is that I didn’t even know there was a Tron animated series. And I am the one who is the nerd among my friends. If I don’t recognize it how should the general public be interested?

Stephan

127. Jake - July 17, 2012

@120 Lol, didn’t say it was perfect, haha.
But thank you for mentioning that.. That’s a good example of when a movie is worse than all the high-quality and well-written comics and novels that came before, and after. George Lucas ruined his own movies by ignoring what his fans want.

And what ST fans want, is continuing adventures. No canon material outside of films and series doesn’t leave much else to the fans. It seems lazy and selfish, and arrogant. Arrogant, because “only what we say goes, only what WE put in, ever happened to the characters you love.” That’s my opinion, I suppose. But I believe fans prefer a wider, broader continuity and universe to explore and get to know and love.

128. Pauln6 - July 17, 2012

I’d love to see a decent animated series. Any live action TV series is likely to be with a new set of characters and there is a possibility that after the third movie at least some of the new movie actors will move on. They need to get the animated show up and running while interest is high.

Trek has always been aimed at older fans compared to Star Wars but if the writing is kept to a decent standard, modern animation and cartoon storytelling has comer a long way.

If there are recurring guest stars, give members of the supporting cast a chance to shine occasionally, add some interesting new alien crew members, maybe even nu-Decker & nu-Ilia – I fancied following their story in my Youtube comic- and of course nu-Janice! It could be fun.

129. dmduncan - July 17, 2012

“A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall. Speak what you think now in hard words, and to-morrow speak what to-morrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said to-day. — ‘Ah, so you shall be sure to be misunderstood.’ — Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.”

130. dmduncan - July 17, 2012

Emerson. Ralph Waldo.

131. T'Cal - July 17, 2012

I would prefer a live action TV series for the over 14 audience set in the JJA universe and a family friendly animated series set in TNG era on board the Titan.

132. Jake - July 17, 2012

@123 I’ve enjoyed the IDW graphic novels and comics, especially Spock Reflections, Nero and Countdown, which in my mind are all canon, and when you compare an animated series to IDW’s work, you make it a good bit more.. Enticing, I suppose. I think I’d watch that.

But the thing is, animated series just seem like.. Gimmicks, or clichés. Everybody does them now. Why should Trek, honestly, join that bandwagon? I’ll play the Devil’s Advocate here, I’ll be the studio head, or more like, the skeptical fan. What can.an animated series offer that a live action series can’t? Can the quality be as high as previous live action series?

133. TrekkerChick - July 17, 2012

“There are advantages to animation, but none that would be advantages to Star Trek.”

Non-humanoid (albeit, Class M/Minshara-class species) regulars?

“These new age so-called writers are not in it for Trek, they’re in it for a paycheck”

Gene and Majel. Lincoln Enterprises and the IDIC (and film cells from the cutting room floor).

‘nuf said?

134. DUNN - July 17, 2012

I would love to see a live action Vanguard series set in the new universe. That set of novels was incredibly compelling and nuanced and it would free-up the cast of the movies to just make those movies with perhaps a guest appearance now and again. I think it could be done as maybe a mini-series or several TV movies. Also totally cool with an animated Trek. Anything Trek, I will watch.

135. Anthony Pascale - July 17, 2012

And by the way, Bob was not kidding about his EU being canon. He and I have been discussing this for years. He even noted when we played the ‘is the character canon’ (see part 1 of interview) that some of their new characters would be canon by the time the movie comes out if they were introduced in a comic book or game before film’s release, but we decided that they would still be considered ‘new’ as they were part of the ‘original canon’ which was the format of the ‘canon or new’ game we were playing

136. Anthony Pascale - July 17, 2012

RE: what can an animated series do?

Well to be blunt, make money. That is what all Star Trek does. And that is what all animated shows aim to do.

However I also believe that like with CLONE WARS (the show released between Star Wars EP II and Ep III), it can also build and maintain the brand between films, especially with a younger demographic. It can also enhance the film experience by giving fans a better understanding of the characters. It is also a way to tie the new movie universe and the original universes together more, like they are doing with the IDW comic books.

If the marketplace can support animated shows for Green Lantern, Star Wars, Transformers, Tron, Batman, Spiderman, Ironman, etc. then it should be able to support one for Star Trek

137. EM - July 17, 2012

I accept what Mr. Orci says about the EU being canon. To pick and choose, as fans, what is canon or not is silly and arrogant. That would be like saying the stuff you like that Mr. Braga was in charge of is canon, but the stuff you didn’t like isn’t. You can like or not like things, that’s personal preference, I get that. But the people in charge are the people in charge!
I’m not a huge stickler for canon, anyway. Maybe the next group in charge of Trek will start at the beginning again. If I like it, I will watch. If I don’t, I won’t.

138. rm10019 - July 17, 2012

Wow reading this board is really confusing to me sometimes. People want more Trek, more Trek, and then when one of the writer/producers says that they are considering really pitching more Trek, a vocal majority here say ‘don’t bother, that isn’t the more Trek I was talking about’….

GR once said that he didn’t make Trek for the fans, and I think that is very sage wisdom. The same way song writers make music for themselves, I sure home the current Trek team makes their Trek for themselves, and will win over the audience and perhaps teach them something.

Bob, i love that you visit here, and have enjoyed chatting with you but I hope you always keep in mind the line between fan interaction and making art/entertainment independently from consumer opinion.

139. Daoud - July 17, 2012

An animated series would have a rather long lead time. Modern almost-CGI animation isn’t done overnight. If they agreed around next May 2013 to do it…. you wouldn’t see it until Fall 2014 at the earliest, and that’s probably even pushing it.
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I just wish Paramount would greenlight the threequel NOW, so that pre-production and story and scripting can begin NOW, rather than creating another interminable wait as we’ve gotten with Star Trek (originally 2008, then 2009). At this rate, the threequel comes in Summer 2017? Damn, Zef Cochrane’s right around the corner.
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An animated KELVIN series would probably be the best thing to greenlight. It can be set pre-Nero, and be the kind of prequel that Archer’s Enterprise never quite got around to being. Captain Robau and First Officer Kirk’s adventures before 2233. Very interesting!
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Live action should be set to follow directly off the threequel, and start in the Fall of 2016. (This suggests fast-tracking the movie to Summer 2016 at the least!), and run with as many of the leads as are willing. Pine’s Kirk can always become “Chief of Fleet Operations” for three years…. and thus “return” for a fourth movie, if Pine is willing…. sort of a TMP redux.
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If only there were Lucas-like grand “plotting” going on.
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And at 48, a quality animation CGI style, not anime style, would be fun to watch. Cartoon Network particularly “Adult Swim” isn’t for kids. And as the very good *new* Clone Wars shows….. sci fantasy can be done seriously there.

140. VZX - July 17, 2012

123: You’re right about Tron, that animated show is better than the live-action movies!

By the way, I know Bob Orci and company are really scratching their heads over the title of the next movie, but the title of an animated show would be easy: Just call it “Star Trek”!! No colons needed!

141. AJ - July 17, 2012

Animated versions of big franchises also allow for an endless swag and toy blitz for the kiddies, which is quite profitable.

142. Browncoat1984 - July 17, 2012

I would hope a new Star Trek live action series would be a hit. And that would get MGM to look at doing a new Stargate series to maybe revive its Stargate franchise. I feel like we’re in a dark time in TV right now as there isn’t much really good sci-fi. There’s some good sci-fi, but with a few exceptions, there’s no like “OMG THAT’S AMAZING!” sci-fi. Fringe, Doctor Who are a couple exceptions. And what sci-fi there IS on TV is trying to play it safe IE you have Warehouse 13 (which is good) which is just grounded sci-fi. Its like a cop drama with sci-fi elements. Its more than that, but ultiamtely most sci-fi on TV these days is like that – gotta keep it relatable. I miss shows like Farscape, Stargate and Battelstar.

Part of the problem of course, is its expensive. But the TV model is also changing. Shows acrosst he board are seeing HUGE drops in ratings because people are turning towards DVR’s, iTunes (what is weird is networks encourage viewers to go to sources like iTunse DURING the show but then when they do they say live ratings are down and cancel the shows) , DVD/Blu Ray, Netflix, Hulu, etc. We don’t need to be glued to the TV at hour X or we’ll miss the show. Not only that, but who has the time these days to sit in front of the TV for multiple hours a week and sit through 20 minutes of commercials every hour, many commercials we’ve already seen a gazillion times.

I’m just so sick that our genre, sci-fi/fantasy often suffers because of this while reality crap like Ghost Hunters goes on because its so *cheap* that networks can afford to produce it even with lower ratings numbers.

To the Star Trek team – as much as I want a new Trek show, or for MGM to do a new Stargate show, I would want them to wait for networks to finally say “okay, we admit, our ratings system is broken and we need to come up with something new” because my fear is that a new Trek or Stargate comes along, its a great show (like Stargate Universe, and I know whether or not it was great depends on who you talk to) but gets cancelled because its on at a bad time, or people would just prefer going to iTunes and buying the season there.

I think Firefly (and before that even the Original Star Trek series) is proof that the ratings system is broken and is NOT an accurate representation of who is watching what. Star Trek proved that in 1969 – CBS had no idea so many people were watching after the 2nd season when there was a campaign to get it renewed – and only today are more people becoming turned on that something is wrong with how networks decide who is watching what, because so many shows that are great (and yes, not every show is a great show like Terra Nova) get cancelled. And even when a show DOES get decent ratings (like Eureka) it still gets cancelled. So networks like SyFy tell us “watch live!” and when we do we still get punished for it.

143. Stephan - July 17, 2012

By the way “Clone Wars” is THE example why not to make an animated show. It is just so very bad.

144. Jack - July 17, 2012

I’m not saying it’s bad to produce a Trek show for kids — BUT, will it have to be simplified and full of hammy jokes? I don’t think young kids will watch an animated show with the pacing and dialogue of TOS or TNG. I’m not saying it has to be dumb, but, really, it would be standard ‘adventure of the week’ stuff. And that said, there are plenty of terrific cartoons out there that are smart and clever.

They’d probably have to have different voice actors. The Amazing Ghostbusters — a million years ago — was hugely popular, but a different property altogether.

142. I agree. The ratings system is hugely broken.

145. Lancelot Narayan - July 17, 2012

104 @boborci

Exactly Bob! I love it!

By the way, if you ever need a fantastic behind-the-scenes film maker, I’m not bad.

Keep up the good work!

146. PEB - July 17, 2012

143. You’re joking right? The first season of Clone Wars was not fun to watch. It progressed from a very child-friendly show to something more mature -which is where it’s at now. And then you take the anime-influenced shorts “The Clone Wars” which had an edginess to them and were dark at times. I’m sorry but Star Wars animation is kind of the standard.

147. Damian - July 17, 2012

113–That was one of the problems with Roddenberry. His definition of canon changed with his mood. Sometimes season 3 was not canon. Star Trek V and parts of VI were not canon.

But Paramount/CBS considers anything canon on screen and now includes the animated series. For now, that’s the official word and I still believe you can find that on the official website (I’m pretty sure Memory Alpha has quoted official sources also re: canon if you’re inclined to research it further).

For me, as long as new Star Trek does not conflict with prior canon, I’m ok.

148. The Original Spock's Brain - July 17, 2012

@ 2. ironhyde

Good points.

149. Stephan - July 17, 2012

146.

No, I am not joking. It was really a torture for me to see some of the episodes. The dialogues are very bad and the stories have no heart there are no actors who bring the characters to life and the story is boring. I really don’t see any reason to watch this stuff and I was really open minded.

And when you say, this is standard, than you confirm my opinion to be against an animated Star Trek series in any way.

Stephan

150. NuFan - July 17, 2012

I hope Khan survives the movie so he can be a recurring villain in the series.

151. Uberbot - July 17, 2012

I hate that stylized “blockhead” look of the Clone Wars animated series. It just put me off and, because of that, I could never get into it.

I’d watch a 3D animated Trek if it was presented in a “semi lifelike” animation style — like the first Final Fantasy film and told stories for a twenty something to adult audience — otherwise, I’m not interested.

152. Pauln6 - July 17, 2012

@150 – I agree. The only way NuKhan can become a decent villain is if he escapes to be at large with a motley crew. I’d quite like to see him join up with Klingon mercenaries and Orion pirates.

153. Phil - July 17, 2012

A lot of folks comment that Trek is best suited for the small screen, and yet it only took a few posts into this thread for a few people to start complaining about it. There is just no pleasing some people….

154. No Khan - July 17, 2012

If it was real life graphics then maybe, but not cartoons.

155. La Reyne d'Epee - July 17, 2012

I’d prefer live action, but if done with enough care and attention, and good writing, no reason why an animated series can’t work.

Animation techniques are far more sophisticated than when TAS was made. There is the possibility of doing fairly imaginative stuff that would otherwise be constrained by budget in a live action series.

156. Stephan - July 17, 2012

153.

Yup. The small life action screen.

157. Adolescent Nightmare - July 17, 2012

Make 12 more movies before considering tv.

158. Jake - July 17, 2012

@157 Bingo.

159. Pauln6 - July 17, 2012

The fan base is so fragmented now that any straw poll will be very inconsistent. A lot of fans also have unrealistic expectations. I’d watch a live action series but it took 4 years for them to get the hang of Enterprise. How loyal would these vocal fans be if the show didn’t live up to their standards? The animated show is a very sensible first step. It’s cheaper, it can tie in to future movies and movie-related merchandise, it will allow them to keep our favourite characters going even if the actors bow out after the third movie, and it should be a lot of fun for younger viewers. As long as they put enough into the stories and a bit of double entendre for the adults, I think it could work well.

Compare the He-Man cartoons to the more recent remakes though. The remake was pretty good to watch but when I went back to the original I realised that they could only be fun for ages 8-12. They do need to pitch it right.

160. Azrael - July 17, 2012

You know, I read comments from people talking about “Gene’s Vision” and I am reminded of Zephram Cochran in First Contact “You know what my vision was? Money, dollar signs”

Gene was no different, he wasn’t a great man’ he was just a man. History will make of him what it wants.

@29. You do not decide canon, Paramount, JJ, Bob, Alex, and Damon are in charge of that. There is no possible way for you to influence that and btw, Lucas did exactly what you say can’t be done and he has been laughing at people like you for years now.

161. R - July 17, 2012

Ew, this interview leaves a bad taste. What is the current obsession with making horrible cartoons? Just because it’s cheap doesn’t mean the fine art & emotion of live-action acting should be spurned. It’s an insult to the franchise.
It definitely splits the fan base like that awful Clone Wars crap that was put out under the Star Wars franchise.

The original Star Trek animated series is funny in a cheesy, campy way but now it’s 2012, not 1972.

162. Pensive's Wetness - July 17, 2012

the big thing about anything animated is, the TOYS and other mechandice that supports anything animated. Only the actual adult animated series (The Simpsons, anything from Adult Swim’s line-up, etc) doesn’t require mechandicing as its primary funding method. Trojan Man supports all that LOL

what i mean is, look at how the Japanesse does it. You see all the Marvel Line stuff, supported with desirable toys and stuff… Animed Star Trek will only work if you have supporting merchandice to go with it….

163. Pensive's Wetness - July 17, 2012

@161 is Yamato 2199 a horrible cartoon? the original run was campy (and still teh awesome) but the current version? my ejaculate is rainbows…

164. Pauln6 - July 17, 2012

@ 161 – last i looked the fanbase of Star Wars was split long before Clone Wars… #Cough# Han shot first #Cough#.

165. NCC-73515 - July 17, 2012

Star Trek should be different from “Green Lantern, Star Wars, Transformers, Tron, Batman, Spiderman, Ironman”.

166. PEB - July 17, 2012

@149 I totally respect your oppinion but the show has grown over time. The same can be said about Young Justice. Clone Wars was a show I dreaded watching from the start but because I like Star Wars and I like how they expand the universe, I would check in here and there and I started watching more as I saw the episodes becoming more mature, better in the writing department, etc. The original version of animated Trek wasnt a bad thing, but like everything else Trek (pre JJ era) always suffered from budget and the animated series was one of the shows. I think with the right budget and a good writing team, it could be a good series to watch. Don’t get me wrong, I’d much more like a live action series but I wouldnt complain with an animated series.

@150 I agree. Use Khan as that recurring nemesis. DS9 had Dukat, TNG had the Borg, TOS had a few but as was said on the TWOK dvd extras Khan was the only one who really came close to defeating the Kirk Bones Spock trinity in TOS. So why not use him for all he’s worth?

167. Charla - July 17, 2012

#66 Daoud– “@Bob: Thank you for blessing us with a visit at The Dawn of Boborcanon! Absolutely a great idea to declare the JJ alterverse as a different kind of canon, seriously. The prime universe is still free for everyone to play in….”

Couldn’t agree more with your statement, Daoud!!

How fun it would be to have the Trek Universe in your hands?? The entire FUTURE of the Trek Universe?? I can’t imagine the pressure Bob and the other members of the Supreme Court must have been under while creating the new alternate universe- to keep it tried and true while yet fresh & interesting!

I must be a big kid at heart, because I would SO (gotta sound like a kid ya know) watch an animated series. I do enjoy nicely done graphics. The graphics today are almost art-like. The content could be for both younger and older fans, like some of the more recent animated films are today.

168. Uberbot - July 17, 2012

#160 — According to accounts, Gene was a HORNY man — always hitting on the ladies. :-) Roddenberry was not a perfect person, but then again — who among us is perfect?

Even Nomad was imperfect…lol!!

169. Darrell - July 17, 2012

I don’t want to see the TOS universe anymore. I was done with that in 1987. TNG had also had its run. As much as I loved it most of all, I’m done with that as well. I enjoyed what came after to a lesser degree. I think it’s time to join back up with an Enterprise crew 100 years post-Voyager. Do it right. Do it with Roddenberry’s ideals. It’s got to be a western in space. That’s what made it catch hold and grow as huge as it is today.

It’s got to be done right by someone who knows what Star Trek is at its heart.

170. cugel the clever - July 17, 2012

@29. Randy H. – July 17, 2012
What a load of fetid dingo’s kidneys! Canon is what is on-screen in filmed productions; other material may be consistent or interesting, but not canon.
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Who the f*ck made Randy H the arbiter of canon? Basically whoever owns the current rights to the Star Trek franchise defines what is canon. If the current supreme court of JJ et al says that their doodles and daydreams are canon, then make it so.

There are millions of fans and therefore millions of different interpretations of canon. Therefore the most rabid fans are the WORST choice to define canon because there would NEVER be a consistent and clear definition.

171. Two Parters - July 17, 2012

No-one’ll read this as its waaay down here – and my opinion counts for little. BUT. Star Trek has always done amazing TV movies:

The Best of Both Worlds
Unification
Gambit
The Maquis
Enterprise Pilot episode
Any of the feature length Voyagers and DS9′s.

Then after these, the viewing figures fell (just like Terra Nova). Why in the world could we not have 4 TV movies every year. The fans would fall in love with a particular scenario which could then be considered for a series.

I wish that someone with infulence would read this.

172. Azrael - July 17, 2012

@171. Bob Orci reads all of our comments here.

173. Azrael - July 17, 2012

Oh, just because I have not said it yet. I TOLD YOU guys the IDW comics were Canon. Ha ha I was right, everyone who disagreed with me was wrong, *spikes football*.

174. SoonerDave - July 17, 2012

I think some folks here have either put TAS in their rear-view mirror and are exercising selective memory, or have never actually seen it.

I grew up when NBC aired TAS in original form, and I kept thinking how cornball and stilted it was. I kept thinking, “Gee, if they can get these guys to do voices for a cartoon, why can’t they get together to make more of the real thing??” The dialog was so awkward, the music so over-the-top (without even the “real” Courage Trek theme)

I guess a “contemporary” JJ-styled version of Animated Trek might be interesting, but I’d much rather energies be focused on, in order, a) great stories, b) great stories told in great movies, and c) tv shows when the hope for either a) or b) are exhausted.

Guess that puts me in the minority, and that’s fine, but I just don’t have this burning itch for an animated Trek, particularly when we’re begging for details about an upcoming *movie* Trek that’s still a year away. I can’t fathom CBS/Paramount allowing the franchise to dilute and saturate again now that its been resuscitated.

175. The Professor - July 17, 2012

Live action TV or nothing. The cartoons really are not worth it.
I also agree with #171. That is an excellent idea.
(see – someone read your comment)

176. Fourteen of Five - July 17, 2012

I’m willing to watch an animated show as long as it is not a freaking little kid show.

Also I don’t want a Abramsverse TV Show

177. Vultan - July 17, 2012

To see an animated series done right, look back 20 years to Batman: TAS, which is in my opinion still the best animated TV series ever done.

New animated Trek could be something special—with the right creative team behind it.

178. Michael Hall - July 17, 2012

@ 171–

It may please you to know that Gene Roddenberry himself had that very notion, not long after it became apparent that TOS was developing a real following in syndication. The way he felt was that while you might lose some viewers due to the show not being as easy to find, you’d pick up more due to the better quality TV movies would afford with respect to budget and production time. It would have been interesting, had the network chose to go that route.

As someone who’s loved Trek longer than many of the posters here have been alive, I have to confess that the obsessive interest for some fans in what does and doesn’t constitute ‘canon’ completely mystifies me. TOS was rife with internal contradictions; the various TV shows and movies don’t line up all that well with each other (the Bird of Prey featured entirely different bridge sets in the third and fourth movies, fer Chrissake!); and the books got so out of hand that Roddenberry insisted they lead off with disclaimers about not really taking place in “his” universe. Under such circumstances, why worry? ‘Canon’ is the Trek you like, period, and is rightfully unique to each and every fan. Everything else–TV episodes, movies, games, etc.–is fodder for the tribbles.

179. Jim (The one who is not JimL) - July 17, 2012

What I meant with my post back on post #11 was not so much reboot TNG but set the series in the same timepoint as TNG. With Prime Spock about you could be forewarned about Data and Soong could be looked after well resulting in lots of Androids. Totally different ships etc. You could incorporate Bajor and DS9 (Or whatever is there) Even have the Delta quadrant. Wrap it up in one whole bow and have it androids v borg.

180. Alien Chest Buster - July 17, 2012

Let me guess. You guys got a new low hourly rate on Indonesian animators. What are we talking .20 cents an hour?

181. NCM - July 17, 2012

Animated series seems like a redirection; ‘move 10 spaces back to Geek Street: May try for Main St. again in 10 moves’).

I’d try it for the same reason I’m willing to geek over a comic book for now–there aren’t any new U novels/shows and I’m Trek starved–but I doubt comics and cartoons will sustain my interest; and while more women may be dipping into such material, I don’t think it’s a winning strategy for courting or keeping newer and would-be female fans.

182. MJ - July 17, 2012

Hi Anthony,

As a suggestion, next time you talk to Bob, would you please ask him when they are going to give the release the “JJ-sequestered” four Trek 2009 follow-up novels that we were suppose to get 3 years ago (see summaries below), and also ask him when they are going to start allowing new Trek novels in the new universe to be published? This stranglehold on just getting some comics and games for the kiddies is not cutting it –we could at least be getting some adult Trek novels here in the new universe, right?

Refugees
by Alan Dean Foster
In this new novel from the New York Times bestselling author of the Star Trek movie tie-in, Captain Kirk and the crew of the Enterprise must decide if a group of refugees are actually a menace—or just misunderstood. When a strange distress call comes in and Kirk orders the Enterprise to answer it, they encounter a large colony ship of refugees under attack. Unable to convince the Dre’kalk to cease fire, Kirk engages them and drives off their ships. The refugees—the Perenores, a race of furry bisymmetrical people—are starving, battered, and many are injured. Their ship wandered off course and their fuel and food is running out, so Kirk and the crew find a place for these displaced refugees. But just two months later, the Barran are threatening the Federation with war for protecting the Perenore menace. But Kirk and Spock are puzzled, the Perenores are peaceful people, what could have happened?

Seek a Newer World
by Christopher L. Bennett
When the Enterprise is outnumbered and under attack, the crew manages to escape and discovers an entire hidden civilization in this exciting new original Star Trek novel. Stung by Nero’s escape, the Klingons are looking to salvage their pride by besting the ship that took him down: Enterprise. Command has assigned Kirk to observe and watch how the new captain performs his duties. A boring expedition becomes a fight for survival as the Klingons attack, outnumber, and outflank the young captain and his Enterprise crew. But just as the Enterprise escapes, the crew comes across an entire civilization of worlds within worlds hidden in a radiation belt of a large planet. A civilization so powerful that they can create all this? Kirk wonders just what are they hiding from and will do whatever it takes to find out.

More Beautiful Than Death
by David Mack
An all-new adventure featuring the new Enterprise crew on a mission to broker a Federation trade agreement, from critically acclaimed Star Trek author David Mack. Captain Kirk leads the crew of the Enterprise on a mission to Akiron, a world known for its rich dilithium deposits and isolationist government. Aboard is Spock’s father, Ambassador Sarek, who is hoping to set up a trade agreement for the Federation with the planet. Pleased that the Federation has entrusted him with this mission, Kirk pledges everyone on Enterprise will grant the ambassador their full cooperation. Spock is happy to see his father and his Vulcan staff putting the destruction of their world behind them. But Sarek, however, has a secondary agenda while on board Enterprise…

The Hazards of Concealing
by Greg Cox
An all-new adventure featuring the new Enterprise crew—from New York Times bestselling author Greg Cox. The events of the recent movie have left one important loose end: the elder Spock from the 24th century. His knowledge of both technology and future events makes him one of the most important strategic assets in the galaxy. Starfleet Command wants Ambassador Spock to rejoin Starfleet and share that information with them, but Spock is reluctant to interfere with the unfolding of the new timeline. Will he be able to escape a sinister plan wrought by the enemies of the Federation, or will their quest to exploit Spock’s wisdom succeed, with disastrous consequences?

183. Jack - July 17, 2012

178. To make it an even 9000 times I’ve blathered on on this point (I need to be validated, clearly) — the minutia of canon (and all the mundane details about Berman’s 24th century — Geordi went to Zefram Cochrane high school) nearly strangled the life and the fun entirely out of Trek. That’s why I was hoping the new movie would have ignored the Berman universe entirely (and here I get sort of canony, but I wish they’d used the TMP/TWOK/TSFS starfleet logo instead of the TNG one).

It mean that Enterprise wasn’t fresh at all but more tied up with TNG, DS9 and Voyager details/canon than any of those shows had been. It existed entirely to fit TOS into the TNG universe, and make it as mundane as possible. Instead we got specific years for everything happening, and endless technical manuals, encyclopedias and histories of the future… all there to make money.

The great thing about TOS was that it mainly focused in the present (then), and they didn’t obsess about the past much (yes, Khan, I know), which TNG etc. did constantly, both Trek’s past and human cultural past.

The first episodes of Trek gave us glimpses (even just in a couple of throwaway lines of dialogue) of a place with hundreds of colonies and alien societies, crazy alien plants, an international crew, a united earth, a vast interconnected culture where Gary Mitchell talks about famous love poetry from the Canopius (sp?) planet, or wherever it was. It was just a lot more imaginative — the crew had lived in this really interesting multicultural, multispecies, interplanetary society for generations and generations. You got a sense of vastness and possibility without it being mired down in details.

Who cares what date the Federation charter was signed on? or why Klingons didn’t have ridges and then they did?

Sure, it should try to be internally consistent — but detail for the sake of filler is just like technobabble.

184. MJ - July 17, 2012

@178. Are the Hannibal Lecter films considered honory canon to “Dexter”? And would “The Minus Man” be considered to “Dexter” like Phase II is to TOS Trek?

185. Jack - July 17, 2012

PS. I’m glad they didn’t ‘fix’ things like James R. kirk on the headstone in the second pilot when they remastered TOS, or redubbing things like ‘united earth space agency’ to the federation (or cutting out the lines entirely).

Roger Ebert says Trek has become too much of a muchness — I’m figuring he means just referencing existing details and characters (they don’t really have to write the main characters anymore, they’ve become archetypes) instead of telling real stories. They were just moving the action figures around like I did when I played Star Wars as a kid…

186. dmduncan - July 17, 2012

Is Bob interested in mentioning which direction he thinks a new live action Star Trek show on TV might take?

187. Vultan - July 17, 2012

#185

I agree with Ebert. When I first heard they were rebooting Trek and going back to TOS, I didn’t exactly jump up and down with excitement. Don’t get me wrong; I love those characters, but it felt like they were just going back to the same toy box and breaking out the old action figures and putting them on a new play set.

I’d rather see a completely new universe, jettisoning nearly everything that’s come before it, keeping only the spirit (and occasional message) of TOS intact.

188. Azrael - July 17, 2012

@MJ. I don’t want to start an argument with you, but I feel you have some very out of date ideas about animated series. Firstly, if everyone automatically associated Cartoon Network with kids shows then said network would not have its “Adult Swim” programming block, composed entirely of shows that are in no way ever meant for children to watch, but they are still animated.

Then there is the fact that like comic books and television before it animation is starting to gain greater reconition and acceptance as a forum for telling mature, intelligent, stories.

Hey I am in my 30s and I watch at least as many hours of animation in a week as I do of live action, and I know I am not the only one, simply by the fact that there is a market for the material.

189. Ahmed - July 17, 2012

I don’t care much for an animated Trek series, I hope they will make a live action series that has an overall storyline and not just episodic in nature.

190. Jack - July 17, 2012

I’d be thrilled with a live-action (or animated) series with an entirely different crew doing what the Enterprise did in the original series, and that’s about the people as much as it is about the adventures — even a limited run like HBO’s shows and British shows have — 12 or 13 episodes or fewer a year — so we get a really great, tight story in there.

Man there’s good stuff on TV right now, incidentally — The Newsroom, Veep, Game of Thrones (first season was better)…

And I apologize for lacking imagination — I think an animated series could be great… and a lot of the DC and Marvel stuff is watchable… I just wonder if young kids and Trek are the right fit.

Wait, What about the as-yet-untiold Academy adventures of our Trek 09 crew? Tricky because they can’t get to know each other too well — other than Bones and Kirk and SPock and Uhura…. but could be fun. Or we could see short bits on different, separate adventures from different crew members or groups of crew members — along with their wacky alien classmates and instructors. You could even flashback to sine childhood adventures. A bit of a Starship Troopers thing, without the bugs and the fascism, going on. Strange new worlds, short term/Clone Wars style adventures with a larger arc going on…

I’m a writer with ideas, Bob — Anthony has my email address – lol.

191. Craiger - July 17, 2012

Wouldn’t a live action Trek TV series cost to much to make? I wonder if now it would be $3 Million an episode? Before I think it was $2 Million an episode?

192. Christopher Roberts - July 17, 2012

@171. TV Movies or specials would be a great approach for a sixth live-action part of the franchise. Possibly even telling their story arc neatly, whether or not more are picked up.

13 episodes are often the limit, before cancellation.

Turn that into between four and six pieces of EVENT TELEVISION instead.

193. Jack - July 17, 2012

Addendum — a bit of a Hogwarts/ Ultimate Spider-man/Hunger Games, trials of our heroes, cioming of age thing going on — plus it has a built in 3-4 seasons (3 for Kirk). Spock might be an instructor already, although he coul dbe in his last year for everyone’s firt year… I don’t know — needs tinkering… there could be exciting adventures for kids, plus clever/witty interplay between our cadets (they can snark at each other and at instructors behind their backs in a way the TOS crew can’t on the bridge) and some mystery, intrigue, larger arc Fringey stuff going on. They could have various trials, year-long goals, personal obstacles to overcome, emergency calls to service like the one in Trek 09, eye-opening encounters — plus terrific special effects and all the new life you can shake a stick at.

194. Keachick - July 17, 2012

I have not read all the comments here. I would be happy to see an animated series set in this new alternate universe and I would like to have all the present movie cast (Pine, Quinto, Urban et al) do the voice-overs.

195. MJ - July 17, 2012

@188. To each his own. Just not a big cartoon fan. To much suspension of disbelief for my tastes.

196. dmduncan - July 17, 2012

187. Vultan – July 17, 2012

Kirk and crew are such iconic characters though. They’ll be rebooted over and over again, like Spiderman or Batman or Superman or Sherlock Holmes because they are too good to leave undisturbed.

But there’s too many canon police. Too many Inspector Javerts in Star Trek fandom. I think we should just consider any given Star Trek canon by author or producer, so that there would be Roddenberry canon and Berman canon and now Bob Orci canon.

And if Bob says so then all his Star Trek productions, if they include live action and animated TV shows, as well as comics, can all be considered canon, because he’s the author of this Star Trek universe.

I think Bob showed the way with the MWI trick, so it’s there forever. Each Star Trek will be the canoniverse of the author creating it, and authors do not necessarily have to follow each other.

Just think of canon as being a multiverse of different canons.

And if Bob ever starts getting stale with Star Trek, we’ll have The Talk:

“Bob, I have to talk to you—no, Bob take the ears off. Please. Take the ears off, I have to talk to you seriously for a moment. Okay, thanks. Now here’s the thing. It’s about the show. Okay. Yes. You live long and prosper too. Thanks. So. You know how you said you wanted someone to let you know when—uuuuh, yeah, see that’s not a REAL communicator, Bob. That’s why “Scotty” can’t beam you out of here right now. Please, just put that away. Thank you. Very much. This is hard for me too, you know. Now, what I’m saying is — come on, Bob! You have to hear this. The nerve pinch thing doesn’t REALLY work, okay?”

197. Ahmed - July 17, 2012

@188. Azrael

The only animated stuff that I watch or used to watch are the Japanese anime, the other cartoon stuff on American networks are simply not interesting to me.

CBS just stick with a live action series please!

198. dmduncan - July 17, 2012

I love animation and would like to see a new animated series.

And I’ll also take a moment to again plead with whoever is listening to REanimate TAS. The entire original cast of voices is priceless. Let’s see some equally priceless animation to match those recordings.

199. Craiger - July 17, 2012

I wonder if they will have Kirk and Spock mention what happens in the new game coming out next year the in the sequel?

200. Azrael - July 17, 2012

@197. But you arent the whole audience are you? I dont watch any japanese anime (ok except Ranma) but I watch a ton of american animation and guess what I’m not the whole audience either.

201. NCM - July 17, 2012

182. MJ – July 17, 2012: Re: New U novels…

Great question! I hope for a response, too. I wonder if any of those titles will ever hit the shelves–I’d buy them all.

On Trek animation… I have no data to support my guess that people tuning into an animated series are more likely to give it one shot (as I did with Clone Wars–hated it and never gave it a second look). I think viewers are more likely to try a live action show a few times. It’s just easier for live actors to capture and retain some human interest.

Also, so many here have noted that while the stories and ideas drew us in, it was the relationships between characters that hooked us. I can’t imagine forming an emotional connection of any kind with animated characters.

202. Eliza Tague - July 17, 2012

An animation would be an interesting way to go, since it has only been done once before about 39 years ago in the form of TAS.. With today’s computer technology, it would be cool to have non humanoid alien species, for example. However, I strongly feel that the Prime (or Proper) Timeline should not be as easly dismissed or ignored. There are avenues that have not yet been fully explorered with an entirely new crew rather than a resurrected one…

203. dmduncan - July 17, 2012

201. NCM – July 17, 2012

I can’t imagine forming an emotional connection of any kind with animated characters.

***

OMG!

Up! Toy Story 1, 2, and 3. The Lion King.

Sometimes the live action stuff is more cartoonish than the animated stuff.

204. Azrael - July 17, 2012

@201. I don’t have to imagine forming an emotional connection to an animated character, cause I already have several times over. A quick look at some of the results of a search for Terry McGinnis (Batman Beyond) at Deviantart.com will easily demonstrate that I am not alone.

205. Brandon - July 17, 2012

What kind of pointless poll is this? Some people would watch Trek no matter what form it took. Voyager and the Abrams movie are proof. Doesn’t mean it’d be good, or that it should happen.

206. Azrael - July 17, 2012

@203. You got that right man. I had to leave the room when I was watching Toy Story 3 with my daughter and they got to the incinerator cause I was almost crying, and I dislike both Disney and Tom Hanks.

207. Adam Collings - July 17, 2012

I’m still not sure what I think about an animated series. I guess I’m still trying to get past my pre-conceptions that animations is for children.

A 3D CGI animated series could certainly be interesting. I must say that personally I much prefer realistic looking animated characters rather than stylised ones.

A series wouldn’t necessarily need to be about the crew of the Enterprise. It could be set on another ship with the occasional voice cameo from a movie cast member. I wonder if a ‘lower decks’ style series would work?

208. Vultan - July 17, 2012

#201

Can’t form an emotional connection with an animated character? Hmm…

Walt Disney would probably disagree. And Chuck Jones. And a few thousand others who have worked/are working in animation.

209. MJ - July 17, 2012

@201 “Also, so many here have noted that while the stories and ideas drew us in, it was the relationships between characters that hooked us. I can’t imagine forming an emotional connection of any kind with animated characters.”

Agreed. With very rare exceptions (e.g. the Lion King and Finding Nemo), I just can’t make the connection to animated characters that others can.

210. Anthony Pascale - July 17, 2012

While the majority of Trek fans are adults with many if not most being above 30, almost all Trek fans became fans when they were teens or even younger. I myself started with the animated series as my gateway Trek and then moved on to TOS, the movies and beyond.

While I do not believe that Trek should be made for teens, it should not be made solely for those who became fans as teens but are now in their 30s and 40s.

I do think that the current Clone Wars is a good model. The current Tron series is also good. It can be done.

And once again an animated series is something that could be soon and be a compliment to the current running movies.

A new live action show would be a whole new thing, likely with new characters, new ship, possibly new universe and likely not done while they are making movies.

If you arent into an animated show thats fine but not doing one isn’t going to bring the live action show any sooner.

211. Craiger - July 17, 2012

So Anthony does this mean we wont see a new Trek TV series until 2018? Or is Orci right and they want to see how the sequel does before working on the next TV series? Or they could start working on one but not premier a new series until 2018 assuming its four years between Trek movies?

212. MJ - July 17, 2012

@210. OK, Anthony, I will try to have more of an open mind to it.

But man, wouldn’t it be great instead if they waited until after the third (and presumably final for this iteration) movie, and started that fall with a 10-episode annual story-arc version of Star Trek on HBO or Showtime, with their near-movie-like production values!

213. Shilliam Watner (Click for Trek Ships Poster) - July 17, 2012

I would hate to see an animated series in lieu of live action. If there was no possibility of live action, I suppose animated would have to do, but I don’t know that I’d watch it. I find all animated drama of this kind to be tepid and unexciting. The vocal performances are usually phoned in and the action lacking due to budgetary constraints.

I’ve seen Clone Wars and Tron and others, and find them all to be… well, cartoons. They just don’t do it for me. I’m strongly against and animated effort. I personally don’t feel that any kind of Trek is better than no Trek, but based on the poll above, I’m in the minority.

So be it. I have plenty of other things to occupy my time.

214. Keachick - July 17, 2012

I think a connection can be made with animated characters. It has to do with how well drawn the characters are and they need to have the same actors who do the live action version do the voicing for the animated drawings of characters. Getting different voice actors to do Kirk’s voice from the alternate universe as an example would be stupid. Those voices ARE the connection if the voice acting is consistent and good.

215. Phil - July 17, 2012

@214. Of course it can. Pixar does a great job at it.

216. MJ - July 17, 2012

Like Pixar would be be producing the new Trek series…come on, Phil. :-)

217. moauvian waoul - aka: seymour hiney - July 17, 2012

Live action. No cartoons.

218. DeShonn Steinblatt - July 17, 2012

I think a number of the fans have gotten quite stale, and it’s high time someone tapped them on the shoulder.

219. moauvian waoul - aka: seymour hiney - July 17, 2012

Wouldn’t be emotionally satisfying.

220. Phil - July 17, 2012

Hey, just making the point, though The Clone Wars has shown you don’t need the actors from the movies to voice the characters. Not that you could pick Chris Pine out of a recording with other similar sounding actors….

221. Azrael - July 17, 2012

With respect Shilliam (and I do repect you) you are wrong about the vocal performances of most animation being “phoned in”. Having watched many “making of” featurettes I can tell you that most of the best ones bring the entire voice cast into the studio together so that they are really interacting. That is how Warner Premier animation is done, and how Toy Story and the Pixar library did it, and more. Additionally nearly all of the current cast has done voice acting, and don’t forget all the good things said about the TNG cast’s work on Gargoyles. Like I said though I respect your opinion, just don’t share it.

222. MJ - July 17, 2012

@221. There you go, like Phil using Pixar — the gold standard — to make your point on animation.

Can you folks arguing for Trek animation please stop inferring that we will get Pixar-like quality on a weekly Trek cartoon. I am trying to keep an open mind here, but you’ll inferring to us that Trek will look as good as Nemo or Cars is a bit hard to believe.

223. Anthony Pascale - July 17, 2012

one more time…

This isnt a choice of animated instead of live action. I of course want to see live action Trek on TV. I am just being realistic…it isnt going to happen any time soon. But I see no reason why an animated show cant launch in late 2013 or 2014.

A live action show is more likely something for later in the decade. Doing an animated show now isn’t going to change that and could possibly even help by testing the waters.

224. NCM - July 17, 2012

Realized after last post that animated characters can deliver a jolt (Lion King), and emotional connection (Milne, EB White, Myazaki characters/films), but animated characters that come to mind are toys, animals, children.

I can see Anthony’s points, yet I think doing an animated series could result in a down-the-road fear of over-saturation and could, therefore, put the kibosh on live action for a long time.

225. MJ - July 17, 2012

@223. OK, I am a little slow on the uptake today I guess Anthony – sorry! If that is the plan…evolving Trek starting with an animated show, but still get to a real Trek live action series later this decade (HBO, please!)…OK, YOU SOLD ME, DUDE!!!

PS: So long as after waiting 6-7 years for the new live action series, it ain’t a reboot of baldy and the boring generation. :-)

226. Red Dead Ryan - July 17, 2012

#214.

I seem to recall you saying (on previous threads) how you couldn’t care less about an animated series.

227. Vultan - July 17, 2012

#222

Pixar, nah. How about Bruce Timm?
The guy who made this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEx9r5enZsk

Of course, he’s at Warner Bros., and still there, I believe.

228. Leo R - July 17, 2012

Star Trek is not some geeky television show or movies. Its not some boring rhetoric dished out by the elite and its certainly not for the in-the-box thinkers. It’s about a vision, about a man, despite his faults, who created a futuristic version of a possible future for all of humanity to be embraced. He didn’t know what he created and neither did his wife or son. But he loved every minute of it and pursued his dream until the very end. Gene Roddenberry gave us a startling vision of the future and while the most expensive television show at the time, we were given a true glimpse of the future. No one knew on September 8, 1966, a TV series would give the world a glimpse of the technology to come. He created more then a science fiction idea, he influenced our entire society and technology. Everything from the cell phone to the iPad, the entire world has never been affected by entertainment more than Star Trek. I am a fan because Star Trek is about intelligent people, who disregard gender, race, religion, and sexual orientation to encourage individuality. I am grateful to the legacy Gene Roddenberry created because in a small way, the franchise saved my life. Its the reason why I created a Star Trek fan film (Phoenix). I believe that no matter who takes the helm of the Star Trek franchise, every movie and every TV series should always be about the future because that is where, no matter what, humanity will always boldly go.

229. sean - July 17, 2012

This whole ‘Oh adults don’t take animation seriously’ line is nonsense. Adults don’t enjoy Pixar? Adults didn’t watch The Simpsons or King of the Hill? Adults don’t watch Archer? They don’t enjoy Miyazaki? They weren’t watching Disney animation 60 years ago?

If a new Trek show is of good quality, it will be appreciated. It doesn’t matter if it’s live action or animation.

230. Daoud - July 17, 2012

Animation could come in many forms…. especially even an ANTHOLOGY! Imagine if multiple teams of animators and writers worked on different eras. Recall the fun we had when this debuted:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6zDg0dKygE

Gosh that’s so Qapla’.

231. Phil - July 17, 2012

Hey, MJ, my point was that animation could be done in a way that allows people to connect with animated characters, not that Pixar had to be the one doing it. When you consider that animation has quite the reach internationally, it’s really easy to translate into foreign languages, and it does reach a yonger audience it’s a great way to get the product in front of the masses. Personally, I’d rather see live action Trek follow the BSG model, but if it’s on HBO, I’ll just have to wait a while. Yeah, I’m one of those guys who doesn’t have it, I’ve found I can get along just fine without their soft core p**n schedule in the evenings…..

232. Bob Tompkins - July 17, 2012

If comics are canon, Gary Mitchell is not in the new movie; who else but Khan? But don’t forget, this can’t be the revenge- driven insane Khan of TWOK. He’ll be more like the smooth TOS Khan with no particular grudge against anyone.
From the leaked pictures, he is very obviously p.o.ed at Spock.
Has Ruk been ruled out?
Cunberbatch can’t be Norman the Android since Harry Mudd has been ruled out- and that character wouldn’t require any dramatic chops at all. So who else in canon has the superhuman strength to challenge Spock?

233. Keachick - July 17, 2012

#220 Perhaps you might not, Phil, but I think I could… Anyway, he would be in Captain James Kirk operating/speech mode with possibly even one or two little Kirk/Shatnerisms thrown in! A person’s voice is like a fingerprint.

In the trailers to Rise of the Guardians, Pine’s voice is changed a bit when he plays Jack Frost, but not that much that I cannot recognise the distinctive quality of a Christopher Whitelaw Pine voice. Same with the BMW car advertisements.

Visually as well, a couple of years back one of the sites (JustJared) posted some pictures of “Chris Pine”. I and some others wrote that although this person looked very much like Chris Pine (same height, same build, same hair, same shaped face, same style of clothing…), he was not in fact Chris Pine. It turned out that I was correct! I guess whoever that person was, he could easily have been a great stunt-double/stand in, but he was not THE Chris Pine!

I’ve just thought that perhaps this might seem creepy, especially to Jack. I hope not. It is just that I notice – I hear, I see…

I don’t know if I am actually a fan, by other people’s definitions, as I don’t have pictures/posters floating about of anything Star Trekkie or of Chris Pine/Captain Kirk or any other character anywhere nor do I have toys, or all the DVDs of all the series etc. I have one desktop picture of Chris Pine taken from the Captain’s Documentary, where he is wearing a beard. He looks particularly nice in that photo. I had many pictures bookmarked, but between my daughter subjecting everything to “bookmark”, everything has now received a delete.

Sometimes I think I may be more of an interested, curious, and even at times, enthusiastic spectator who likes, sees, hears, thinks, knows (or not)…

234. Craiger - July 17, 2012

I wonder if the new cast would want to do an animated series? Or have time for one since their movie careers are taking off since Trek 09.

235. Keachick - July 17, 2012

#226 – Yes, you are right. At this point, I really couldn’t care less whether any TV series of Star Trek gets made. I am focused on the sequel, because that is what is most important right now and is the happening thing!

However, I am not opposed to anything good that could be produced for television viewers. It is just that working on a Star Trek TV series, whether it be live action or animated, should not draw attention and (creative) energy away from the movie making process.

I would not really care to see any new TV series take place within the prime universe. Been there, done that. I think any new series should see this alternate universe TOS characters do their thing/be played out.

236. Phil - July 17, 2012

@233. In a roundabout way you are illustrating my point. Yes, an audiofile could probably pick out an actors voice – the actors who voice The Clone Wars have the tone and mannerisms of the characters down to a point where you would probably think you were listening to Ewan McGregor or Natlie Portman. Few actors are that distinctive in tone they are easily identifiable – my son was watching some anime a few days ago, and I thought I heard George Takai voicing one of the characters. I had to check the credits to confirm it was him, though (it was).

Nah, you don’t have to own all the toys and stuff to be a fan – just an appreication for the show. If money was not an object, I’d buy the models….never been to a convention, though I did visit The Experience in Vegas a couple of times, and did see the show at Universal Hollywood years ago.

237. Azrael - July 17, 2012

I mentioned Pixar because they fit the point I was making as well as Warner Premier (overseen by the superb Bruce Timm as someone else mentioned) thats all.

@234. Since the whole bunch did voice work for the game and Bruce Greenwood is a core cast member on Young Justice I don’t think any of them have a problem doing voice acting.

238. Red Dead Ryan - July 17, 2012

#235.

It’s quite likely that an animated series would have its own group of writers, while Bob and co. focus on the movies. So you probably shouldn’t worry about the creative energy being spread thin between projects.

239. Azrael - July 17, 2012

Oh and just to put this out there. The guy who played Chancellor Gorkon in ST VI was a better Ra’s al Ghul than Lian Neeson using only his voice.

240. Red Dead Ryan - July 17, 2012

#239.

That was David Warner. He was good. But I thought Liam Neeson was great in “Batman Begins”.

241. Azrael - July 17, 2012

He was, but when I hear his voice I don’t automatically think of Ra’s. With David, he is as much Ra’s to me as Kevin Conroy is Batman and Mark Hamill is the Joker (not an insult to Heath at all).

242. This is going to be a long year - July 17, 2012

An animated series would cater to a younger audience. It does not prevent a live action show for an older audience.

Batman, Superman, Spiderman, etc. have achieved a long run by having many iterations across various media designed for different age groups.

Feel free to disagree with me on this (and many of you will), but having different and self-contained versions of something is not bad. It would mean that Star Trek canon will be a more fluid concept than in the past.

If Start Trek does not evolve it may eventually fade away and be forgotten.

243. Vultan - July 17, 2012

#239

Yeah, I thought Neeson was good, but it’s hard to beat David Warner. Just like it’s hard to beat Mark Hamill as the Joker—no offense to Romero, Nicholson and Ledger.

244. Vultan - July 17, 2012

Also, Michael Ansara will forever be Mr. Freeze to me, and vice versa. Then again… there’s not much competition….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-FcLKOuiRo

245. Sneering Supercomputer - July 17, 2012

Would I watch an animated series? Of course. Do I prefer an animated series over a live action one? God, no.

246. Ahmed - July 17, 2012

@245. Sneering Supercomputer – July 17, 2012

“Would I watch an animated series? Of course. Do I prefer an animated series over a live action one? God, no.”

Well said

247. Nick - July 17, 2012

If it is good, I would definitely watch any variation of Star Trek, as long as it is actually Star Trek in the spirit of TOS & TNG. Just my opinion.

Have to say the care being taken with Star Trek is fantastic … a new development (whether animated or live action) would be good, while still sticking to the ‘less is more’ approach. In a way Dr Who is being handled that way with less episodes being filmed per season … which I think brings real prestige to each new adventure.

248. Azrael - July 17, 2012

@244. Ansara was so very much better than Arnold, god how I wish the people who made that movie had listened to Wizard Magazine and cast Sir Patrick Stewart for Mr. Freeze.

249. Red Dead Ryan - July 17, 2012

#248.

I believe Patrick Stewart was too busy filming “First Contact”. I think he also filmed a couple of other movies around the same time too.

250. James - July 17, 2012

@248 Do you really think a different cast would have made Batman and Robin any better?

251. MJ - July 17, 2012

@250. Nope. Arnold was not the problem with that cluster-frack of a movie. Actually, his part was the only one I liked.

252. Amin - July 17, 2012

I love Star Trek, but I also believe that an animated series is a bad idea. I also dissagree that comics, games…etc. are canon. Canon in Trek has always been the feature films and live action tv series, and it should stay that way. The majority of fans and viewers will hardly see an animated series, play the games, read the comics… and that’s they even knew about that extra stuff.

The franchise was rebooted succesfully with the film in 2009, and the casting of Nimoy as Spock prime was the perfect way to connect the story to that venerable franchise. To now start making an animated series and to even call it canon along with the other EU materiel is a MAJOR step back, IMO and would lead to another wave of unneccissary saturation.

Star Trek is back, and the best way to run with the success of it’s return is to concentrate on the new set of feature films with a potentiel live-action series.

253. Cody - July 17, 2012

I would love to see a new series set in the original timeline but after the destruction of Romulus. I feel there are a lot of interesting stories the can be created revolving around the aftermath of the supernova catastrophe, and just because it would return to the original timeline doesn’t mean it can’t have the style and energy of the new films and with a younger cast. I would be all for it.

254. Red Dead Ryan - July 17, 2012

#251.

Agreed…..though when I was sixteen, I did enjoy “Batman & Robin”. As I’ve gotten older I’ve come to realize what a crapfest the movie is.

And there is one douchebag on Rotten Tomatoes who claimed “The Dark Knight Rises” is the worst Batman movie ever, worse even than B&R.

Sheesh!

255. Azrael - July 17, 2012

@249-251.

I am well aware of the many, many, other problems with that movie and no I don’t really think a different cast would have helped much, but Patrick will always be an improvement over Arnold IMO, and thats all I was really trying to say.

@255. Yup that guy would also fall under my definition of a douchebag.

256. Bugs nixon - July 18, 2012

Klingon mini series!

257. Red Dead Ryan - July 18, 2012

Here’s what critic Eric D. Snider said about “The Dark Knight Rises”:

“The Dark Knight Rises is easily the most disappointing film so far–and I’m including Schumacher’s Batman & Robin in that statement.”

258. Anthony Thompson - July 18, 2012

257. RDR

It’s tough to follow “the greatest movie ever made”. LOL.

259. Anthony Thompson - July 18, 2012

I just looked at rotten tomatoes. DKR has a 87% critics score and a 93% viewers score. Not bad! It looks as though Red Dead Ryan is barking up the wrong tree again. LOL.

260. Spock/Uhura Admirer ;-) - July 18, 2012

Can I just say that this film looks like it’s going to be awesome based off of the latest trailer: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_dark_knight_rises/trailers/11150469/

@#251

Well it’s not like he had to try much. He’s known for stiff acting, and Mr. “Freeze” was very fitting. I think he had his best roles in the 80′s.

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I voted no on wanting an animated Star Trek show, but it doesn’t matter to me really either way. If the support is there for it and the producers/writers are motivated then good luck with it.

261. Stephan - July 18, 2012

229. Sean

Hello,

no this isn’t nonsense. I only know a few adults who watch pixar and disney and that is because of their kids. And sorry, what is “King of the Hill?”, “Archer”, “Miyazaki”? I haven’t even about these titles. No way there are more than a few adults who watch this stuff. And if Star Trek wants to proove that its a geeky brand with no content than yes it should start an animated show. That said the image of the brand would get worse because of an animated show and I will get into serious trouble if I want to get any of my friends into a Star Trek movie again. All I can hope is that an animated show will be ignored.

Stephan

262. Azrael - July 18, 2012

@261. King of the hill ran for nearly a decade IIRC, and was a consistent rating draw, Archer has won numerous awards, don’t personally recognize Miyazaki myself but my brother (also in his 30s) does. The size of the market for animation for adults is in fact huge, earning billions every year, your own closed mind will have no effect on that whatsoever.

263. Stephan - July 18, 2012

262.

This has nothing to do with my closed mind, maybe with yours? I am not only talking about the market in the US. I am talking about the tiny rest of the world. In the US Star Trek may be big and the 2009 film was a success. But Star Trek has big problems overseas and the last film was no exception. I am from Germany, the biggest non english speaking market for Star Trek. And even in Germany Star Trek (2009) was only a tiny little more successful than Nemesis. So the producers of Star Trek have to do something to draw in audiences in the rest of the world and also in Germany.
Animated shows are not the way. I have looked up at imdb.com the shows you were talking about. I remember one of them really ran on tv but not very long or even successful. The other shows are really unknown, I don’t even know if they have been broadcasted.
So even if animation is a success in the US you have to look for the international market where Star Trek is in serious trouble compared to other franchises.

Stephan

264. La Reyne d'Epee - July 18, 2012

Re canon. Canon is something that only exists after the fact. The original writers didn’t work slavishly to a clear-cut set of ideas, hence there are many inconsistencies of detail. But they were free to invent and create.

I have a lot of sympathy for the current writers in being hog-tied and bogged down by the endless screaming about petty detail. Which is why one reason why I assumed they decided on a reboot, and why I’d be disappointed if they boldly decide to…go where we’ve all been before.

265. Azrael - July 18, 2012

Well lets just see now, King of the Hill ran from 1997 until 2010, that is 13 years, just a few years short of the all time record held by The Simpsons, so not a short run at all. Archer started in 2009 and is still running, and already renewed through 2013. The last one is a japanese program not listed on imdb, so tell me some more lies about what you read. I actually checked all my facts.

I also find the Pixar film The Incredibles to be one of my all time favorite movies, and did well before I had children.

266. Azrael - July 18, 2012

I’m done arguing with you now, I will be ignoring you from here on out, bye now.

267. nuTrek - July 18, 2012

I love the new timeline introduced in the latest movie and l’ d love an animated series set in this timeline but I’ d rather be a fresh series with new characters and a new ship. Ideally I’ d want a series set after Kelvin is destroyed and deal with the aftermath of Narada’ s attack or a series about the U.S.S. Kelvin. An animated series if done well can be awesome – I’m currently watching the Avengers: EMH and I’ m loving it.
As for the comics tie in with the new movie I have enjoyed all of them and if they’re canon then I’ m glad Data returns, I never thought he’ d stay dead for long. I don’ t read the post finales novels nor I care to read them so I was always considered the countdown as a great possible future for the TNG characters.
Also if not an animated series why not a comic series about Kelvin and it’s crew?

268. Stephan - July 18, 2012

266.

I don’t know why you are getting so personal and why you are ignoring me. Did I say something that offended you? I wasn’t telling lies. If you reread my posting you will see, that I talked about Germany. There nearly nobody knows these shows. And that is a fact. My point is that the US market doesn’t stand for the rest of the world.

Stephan

269. Daniel Shock - July 18, 2012

I’d love to see an animated series. I love “Clone Wars”. Would definitely watch the show if Trek were given similar treatment.

270. Commodore Adams - July 18, 2012

If it is done well I will watch it but at age 29 I’m not big on cartoons and that is what a star trek animated show will be, limited in the audience which will view it compared to a live action. I watched the new animated transformers which is produced or written by bob orci but watching that didn’t last long, it’s a good show but it was just too childish and that is why I lost interests, it’s targeted at children. it’s the same with clone wars couldn’t watch that. Although I want a live action tv show seems that this is all we are going to get for now.

271. Admiral_Bumblebee - July 18, 2012

A reboot of TNG would be great, taking place in the JJverse. But it should be different with at least some other characters. For example no Captain Picard due to the differences in the timeline. Drastic changes would be cool, otherwise it would be a rehash.

272. Dr_trekfan - July 18, 2012

How about the JJ movie was the first time I’ve actually felt sad for Trek. They have lost ER way, and destroyed all it stood for. I think GR would be dissapointed. Very much so.

273. Basement Blogger - July 18, 2012

I would love to see a live action Star Trek series. Trek belongs on television. As Anthony says, it’s a where more complex stories could be told. Hopefully, CBS won’t put it on it’s network but somewhere it could flourish. AMC, TNT or SyFy. Could they please change the name back to SciFi?

274. gingerly - July 18, 2012

People decrying a Star Trek animated series…

You do know that animation is a medium, not a genre, right? Don’t assume that just because it’s animated, it must be for kids.

…And even if it were, some of that is far better story-telling than live-action adult dramas. The Airbender series, it’s follow-up, and Samurai Jack are good examples.

You do see the positives (special effects are limitless, characters more-or-less ageless)?

They creators will be free to literally do anything they dream for this. As far as I’m concerned that’s a win-win.

275. Chaos66666 - July 18, 2012

Im all for the 100 years post voyager idea some people are throwing around here. Please no animated stuff… not if its below Final Fantasy VII Advent children from the animation point of view.
Star Trek is the version of a more or less bright future. It has grown into an ideal.. not an animated series… sorry…

276. MJ - July 18, 2012

@274 “Don’t assume that just because it’s animated, it must be for kids.”

But their is the crux of the problem. A lot of us adults do in fact assume that, and a lot of us adults just can’t make the same connection to an animated show that we can to a live action show. If you asked me to name my Top 25 shows in TV history, perhaps Loony Toons might come in betwen 20 and 25, but I can think of no other animated series that would make my cut.

277. MJ - July 18, 2012

@265. I know it is just a matter of personal tastes, but I absolutely hated King of the Hill and The Simpsons.

278. Orb of Wisdom - July 18, 2012

Don’t forget about that Worf series Michael Dorn is pitching to Syfy!

279. T'Cal - July 18, 2012

What can an animated series do that’s different? Wow. How about these:
* Easily create truly alien aliens
* Easily create truly alien worlds
* Easily create unique technologies
* Allow easy access to flashbacks and looks into the future
* Attract a younger audience, and in turn allow for marketing to that younger audience in the form of toys, video games, apps, etc.

While many these things are possible in a live action show, the costs are usually prohibitive especially for a new show in the era of new shows being cancelled after just a couple of airings. As for the younger audience, here is where Star Wars kicked Trek’s butt. You can’t go into a convenience store, drugstore,dollar store, food store, or toy store (of course) without seeing Star Wars toys on a shelf. There’s virtually nothing Trek marketed to the general public, only to us the fans and more often when a movie opens every 4-6 years. What a huge missed opportunity.

280. Phil - July 18, 2012

Good job, Anthony.

281. MJ - July 18, 2012

Thanks Anthony!

282. Azrael - July 18, 2012

@277. Believe it or not I did not watch either show myself. But when it comes to long running animated series they are the top of the crop, along with South Park, and it is in that regard alone that I used them as an example.

283. Brett L. - July 18, 2012

No animated series please! I’d rather wait several more years for live action, something in the vein of Ron Moore’s BSG or cable shows with 10+ episode seasons like Mad Men, Game of Thrones, etc. No matter how good the writing is, an animated series would always be perceived as a cartoon. Trek deserves the serious, risk-taking storytelling that only real actors can deliver, presented in a forum with limited studio meddling.

284. Vultan - July 18, 2012

If you’re talking about the later seasons of The Simpsons and King of the Hill, then yeah, they were (still are in the case of the former) pretty stale. But the early seasons were top notch stuff. Funny, heartfelt, and endlessly quotable. Too bad it couldn’t last.

Futurama on the other hand still makes me laugh. And if you want an emotional connection/reaction, look for an episode called “Jurassic Bark.” A real tearjerker if there ever was one.

285. Parosu' Grasu' - July 18, 2012

I’m a trekker and I like all the Star Trek shows, no mater if its TOS/TAS/TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT/ new Movie. I would be glad to see any kind of ST on TV. No matter if its live action or a 3d cartoon-show.

I think most of us fans will love to see a live-action show done right with 30 episodes / 7 seasons ;) but you cant deny the benefits of a trek cartoon show. I’m not going to list them because No# 279 T’Cal pretty much hit the nail on the head on that one. Cartoon shows are not for “kids” any more and a lot of the have a mature theme and can be enjoyable to watch.

I just hope to see a new tv-show, because I just finished watching all of them and I need more :)

Please make it happen while you still have a big fan base!

PS. Live long and prosper !

286. jonboc - July 18, 2012

I’d love to see the studio throw down some gritty, Jonny Quest style animation in the form of a new half- hour Trek adventure series set in the new timeline…or even in the rough and raw early years of Pike. just stay out of the 24th century and I’ll be there!

287. VZX - July 18, 2012

I like Bob Orci’s last quote: “I would love to do nothing but Star Trek”

Wow, me too!!! Lucky guy.

288. Al - July 18, 2012

I would definately watch a Star trek animated series if it was done say…2d and CGI…like TRON:UPRISING. That is one serious animated series, that are in some was, better than TRON:LEGACY.
People been crying about a Star Trek series for years, and when the guys finally through us a bone, some people are negative about it.
They will be a live action series again. It’s only a matter of time. Right now, the only new sci-fi series that is coming up soon is INCURSION…steven deknight’s new sci-fi series after he finishes with SPARTACUS: WAR OF THE DAMNED.
I WILL SUPPORT ANY SCI-FI SERIES WEATHER IT BE ANIMATED OR LIVE ACTION…AS LONG AS IT IS CHARACTER DRIVEN AND HAS SOMETHING TO SAY.

289. Azrael - July 18, 2012

Well said AJ.

290. Keachick - July 18, 2012

#236 – I was talking about my own audio receptiveness. I am NOT an audiofile.

291. DWNicolo - July 18, 2012

Canon, shamnon, tell a good story and the fans will come.

292. Aashlee - July 18, 2012

People who don’t believe that an animated series CAN BE a QUALITY series and an asset to the Star Trek universe simply lack imagination. What makes or break any series is the story-telling. Create compelling stories, use the story-telling devices that animation allows judiciously, and people will watch.

I’ve never sought out cartoons, but I am a fan of “Archer” and its tongue-in-cheek, irreverent stories and style. I’ve also enjoyed “King of the Hill.”

On the big screen, animated features like “Toy Story 3″ and “Up” — beautiful stories supported so beautifully by the medium — packed such depth and an emotional punch that they have become favorites in this household.

Don’t sell animation short. If they make an animated Trek series, give it a chance. You may be surprised.

293. Shilliam Watner (Click for Trek Ships Poster) - July 18, 2012

292. Aashlee – I don’t believe I’m lacking imagination. I just haven’t seen andadventure series that was compelling in animation. Archer and King of the Hill are great, but they’re comedies. Toy Story 3 wasn’t a science fiction drama like Star Trek, but it DID have true emotional resonance.

I don’t see that happening with a lower-budgeted weekly series. I’m more than willing to be proven wrong, but like I said, I haven’t seen a compelling example of sci-fi adventure series with a good, engaging, emotional storyline and performances.

Of course I’d give it a chance. And I’d love to be surprised. Until then, however, I shall remain skeptical, but hopeful. Still, I’d much much rather see a live action series.

294. Sebastian S. - July 18, 2012

Like anything (with regards to a new animated series), I’ll watch it if it’s GOOD, not just because it has the Star Trek label on it….

295. Bucky - July 18, 2012

Wow, if Orci just declared the comics & games canon, the “Alternate reality” entries on Memory Alpha (and the TNG characters that popped up in Countdown) are in for a huge overhaul! Somebody, chop chop!

296. italiantrek - July 19, 2012

1-Orcy 2009: Reboot. Why? Because trek canon is a burden. ST must clean its blackboard. ..
Orcy 2012.:In the new timeline all is canon: comic books, novels, videogames…All. All?
2-next trek tv series with actors in original timeline because original star is CBS bussines: tv shows, ongoing novels, comic books, st on line.
CBS is supreme court in ST tv shows.
3-Animated series? no, thanks.

297. Will Johnson - July 19, 2012

Can we have a TNG animated show? I don’t really care enough about the JJ-verse to tune in and watch what are essentially just TOS characters but from bizarro world… I’d rather have a TNG animated mini-series or some such thing.

298. Twiddle Dee - July 19, 2012

As long as its not “The Animated Adventures of Keenser”, I am probably willing to give it a shot!!

299. Capt Dunsell - July 19, 2012

I wonder how many of you who are down on the animated series have actually seen the original Trek animated series, voiced by the original cast? Those stories were excellent and written by solid sci-fi writers like D.C. Fontana and Harlan Ellison.

If it is good Trek, then it is fine by me.

And one comment about ‘canon’. The original canon was Trek: TOS. Not the movies. So to argue where canon comes from — movies, TV, comics, etc — seems a bit silly. If it was produced by the owners of the franchise, then it is canon. Period. If it is produced by third parties, like novelists, then it is only canon if the franchise owners consider it so as a result of their oversight of the work in question.

300. Norbert - July 19, 2012

Read the comics, play the game, if you want to understand the story of the movie.
i e. … buy, buy, buy!

301. tmarii - July 19, 2012

I think anything that Leonard Nimoy has had his fingers in counts as canon, which is why TAS is canon and Generations is not.

302. NuFan - July 19, 2012

Try to focus on something that somebody would actually watch.

303. Paunch Show Greg - July 19, 2012

What’s a shame is Shatner said for years he would have done another TOS CGI or animated series, and Paramount very had any interest.

My greatest fear is the series would be drawn unrealistically like Disney’s stuff, or be CGI and look dull.

As for TAS, in my book it’s canon. The ONLY person who disagreed was Gene Roddenberry, and frankly if we took his word on canon, there would be very little of it.

304. Keachick - July 19, 2012

#301 “TAS is canon and Generations is not.”

Generations as in the movie Star Trek:Generations? Are you talking about a book with that title or the movie? The movie is most definitely canon.

I also believe that TAS is now considered canon, because even though it was an animated series, it appears on FILM, therefore making it canon, according to the rules that govern what is or is not canon within the Star Trek franchise.

I also suspect that anything that goes to film can overwrite/rewrite anything written in a comic or book which means that whatever is told in the Online comic series can be trumped by whatever appears in the movies, which is why having a live Gary Mitchell as a character in the upcoming movie is possible.

At least, this is my understanding as to how it works. Perhaps Bob Orci might like to confirm or otherwise the assertions I have made here, please.

Thanks, Kck.

305. AJ - July 19, 2012

301/4

My understanding is that TAS is not canon, except those bits which were retconned into TOS or the films (Vulcan city, and birthplace of Spock, Shi’kahr, was digitally depicted in the remastered ‘Amok Time’ exactly as it looks in “Yesteryear.” Spock’s backstory from “Yesteryear” is clearly depicted in ST09)

306. Phil - July 19, 2012

I think we have had this conversation before – I prefer to think of canon (film and TV works) as a guide to the Trek universe, not something used to argue minute details of any given production. To that end I have no issues with printed works also being considered canon. That said, I’m not the canon police and others are free to disagree.

307. Markus McLaughlin - July 19, 2012

I am okay with all of it, however, I hope CBS will let Fan-Produced Audio Shows be made as well. Star Trek has never had a Radio Drama Series in the likes of Star Wars, I want to be one of the first to explore this untried format… :D

@MarkusMcLaughln

#FarpointAudioPlay

#Starbase53

308. danielcraigismywookiebitch - July 19, 2012

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309. Jemini - July 20, 2012

“OK, based on that then with you Anthony Pascale as a witness, I hereby declare anything that we oversee to be canon. ”

QUESTION: does it include the Starfleet Academy 2010 series novels too? Because if i’m not wrong they oversee/need to approve those too before they get published (as the author of “the assassination game” explained in one interview )

310. Italiantrek - July 20, 2012

-TAS is no canon.

- ST canon: movies, TOS, TNG, Voyager, DS9, Enterprise AND Jeri Taylor’s novels: Pathways and Mosaic.

-Ron Moore said about TAS:”we don’t consider TAS canon but It’s kinda cool to throw in the odd reference here and there”.

-The canonicity of TAS was specifically disavowed by CBS (reportedly per Roddenberry old edict)

311. Larry - July 20, 2012

They should call me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faMxmZx58go

312. Daoud - July 20, 2012

And meanwhile, CBS has authorized startrek.com the official site to once again include TAS as officially recognized. Sorta like canon, I guess.

313. Sebastian S. - July 20, 2012

Happy Birthday, Bob Orci! ;-)

Hope it’s great.
Thanks for your patience in putting up with all of our nerdiness…. ;-D

314. chrisfawkes.com - July 20, 2012

I think that is a great attitude about moving on rather than letting things get stale.

Not that i’m expecting that to happen within three movies but clearly that has been an issue with the tv franchise in the past.

It shows a lot of respect to acknowledge that non of us are beyond that.

315. captain spock - July 20, 2012

lets all wish a big Happy Birthday to Bob orci today…..

316. Cody - July 20, 2012

I wouldn’t mind an animated series, but if it comes down to a choice between live-action and animated, it MUST BE live action. There is a reason there are like 5 successful live-action star trek shows and only one short lived and barely remembered cartoon. It’s because cartoons are for children and star trek is for adults. ;)

317. Keachick - July 20, 2012

Yes. Happy Birthday, Bob Orci. May you have a good one and many more to come!

I meant to wish Benedict Cumberbatch a happy birthday as well. He turned 36 yesterday, 19 July. I hope Ben also had a good one.

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The impression I have is that TAS is actually well remembered by many, which is one of the main reasons why many people think that animation, as well as live action, could also be a viable medium for another Star Trek TV series.

318. Italiantrek - July 20, 2012

311.
Err, sorry, no. On june 27, 2007 Star Trek’s official site incorporated information from the animated series into its library section, although is unclear here if TAS is indeed part of the ST canon o no.

Memory alpha and ST chronology (Dennis and Michael Okuda) do not include TAS in the canon. And Gene said it was not.

319. Jack - July 20, 2012

As long as it doesn’t interfere with the sequels/future storytelling (which is why something like the academy years might work). Look at Ghostbusters II — it borrowed a fair bit from the cartoon… and kind of sucked more than it should have.

320. T'Cal - July 20, 2012

An animated TNG-era show done in a style similar to how Batman: The Animated Series was done would be great!

321. Daoud - July 20, 2012

@318 You will find no quote from Gene stating TAS wasn’t canon. I tend to feel that a show involving the original producers, with D C Fontana as the head writer and story editor, with David Gerrold and others involved is as legitimate as TNG. Anyway, Okuda’s Encyclopedia has some major flaws in it, particularly between the 5YM, TMP, and the TWOK trilogy.
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Anyway, all I said was that they “officially recognize” it now at startrek.com. I didn’t say they decreed it as canon. However, Manny Coto “canonized” as much as he could during Star Trek: Enterprise, and had intended to do even more in the fifth season. In any case, I simply say to you, “Tiberius!”

322. Pauln6 - July 21, 2012

The comics can be canon until contradicted by something on scree – so what? This is what:

I wanted long distance beaming to die an ignominious death – it just blows the lid off so many potential plots it’s ridiculous and to make it worse ## SPOILERS### Scotty successfully beams a living organism not just one light year like in the movie but dozens of light years through several communications relays (which tend to be about 20 light years apart). In other words the writers have opened the Pandora’s Box even wider – wff!

Oh no, the ship’s power has been drained and we can’t retrieve our landing party and we’re the only ship in the quadrant – AGAIN – no worries, just radio a ship in a different quadrant or, hell, why not Starfleet Headquarters on Earth and beam them off from there. Good grief.

Somebody needs to lock this down and soon!

323. IlSisko - July 21, 2012

I think that the comics are getting better (the “new” plot of “The Return of the Archons” was great!) and I’d like to see an animated series between the second and the third movie very much. It would be a “logical” choice. :)
But please, Bob Orci, make something at least similar or even better than Star Wars The Clone Wars… or something like Tron Uprising! It would be great! Especially if… somehow… in the animated series you get to recover a little bit more of the Original approach… that is something that I missed watching the first movie and reading most of the comics.

324. Jeff - July 22, 2012

If they made the animation similar to Ben Ten Alien Force and the immediately following season of Ben Ten Ultimate Alien then I might could stand to watch it. Especially if it aired as a prime time hourly show on CBS. Ben Ten AF has very realistic animation style and great action along with good (not cheesy) dialog.

On the other hand, I probably would NOT watch it if they went hyper stylized like Star Wars the Clone Wars where you could barely recognize the characters, or if it only airs on the Cartoon Network, or if it’s obviously designed for kids with simplified dialog and some obvious cheesy humor.

325. DonDonP1 - July 22, 2012

Fascinating. With respect to Bob Orci, may I suggest that the future animated, kid-friendly “Star Trek” series–whether in 2D or 3D CGI–be set within the events of the four TNG-era movies with the first episode set after the events of 1994′s “Generations?” It may not matter to me whether the next-live action TV series would take place in the ‘alternate reality’ (movie universe) or the ‘prime reality’ post-”Nemesis” (whether during the events of “Star Trek: Countdown” or during the events of “Star Trek Online” or in-between).

326. Christopher Roberts - July 23, 2012

Shatnerverse books “The Ashes of Eden” and “The Return” with the Reeves-Stevens duo?

Why not push CBS to make an animated series out of them?

‘The Ashes of Eden’ made for a great graphic novel and provided a firey end for the Enterprise-A.

‘The Return’ (and half a dozen or more books after) detailed Kirk’s resurrection and ongoing adventures alongside Picard, Sisko and Janeway… just missing an Archer appearance somehow.

Not so much a series, more the odd feature-length animation based on the Shatnerverse novels. Sort of in the spirit of WB’s various Batman and other superhero efforts on DVD. Sort of Clone Wars in what could’ve been potential inbetween films.

The Ashes of Eden while mostly set between VI and Generations, also has that opening moment set in Kirk’s younger days going up against the Vampire Cloud. I’d get Chris Pine to provide the voice for that part. Various TOS cast members back in their roles, with likely impersonators for Scotty and McCoy. It was done as a graphic novel and I loved that the villain was human and an old rival of Kirk’s.

Then The Return with its mix of Kirk and Spock with the TNG cast plus Bashir & Quark. The Romulan female with a grudge against Kirk, enough to go grave robbing to use him in her plan is a solid idea. Even the alliance with the Borg is interesting and their aim to remove Picard, due to the knowledge he retained as Locutus. I’d probably rework it to include the launch of the Enterprise E, rather than the Defiant-class ship that’s temporarily given the name toward the end. Plus the Borg homeworld being the machine planet V’Ger encountered is perhaps one element of fanwank too far. I’d continue to keep the Borg Queen out of this… as the book did. Being written before First Contact, she hadn’t been thought of and I preferred them back before she was around anyway.

The style of those two books lends themselves well to animation, not being at all challenging or cerebral – just action adventure. The Kirk-centric plot is advantageous, while involving the TNG crew and even a shout out to DS9 offers fans of other generations something. Between the two adventures, it covers all the bases of audience familiarity. Dare I say even 15 years on.

Get an agreement from CBS to do those two stories. If the first didn’t meet with the kind of success they wanted – ratings, DVD/Blu ray sales, downloads whatever – further rewrite The Return to end happily with Kirk restored to full heath, alive and well in the 24th Century.

327. Steve Combs - July 24, 2012

My vote is for a new Trek TV series, but only live action. I didn’t care for the original animated series. I don’t watch Clone Wars either.

328. Ryan - July 24, 2012

Well I think an animated series is the only feasible way for a movie universe TV show to be made using the talents of the films’ actors, albeit by voice only. I say I’d definitely watch the series.

329. Dennis - July 26, 2012

Animation is NOT the way to go for Trek!! Especially if it’s the cheap, computer-generated, limited-movement crap they push out on Saturday mornings! Please, live-action only for Star Trek!

330. Disgruntled Jar Jar - July 29, 2012

Star Trek Countdown cant be CANON. In the movie it is implied that Nero and Spock did not have a relationship prior to their encounter after the Supernova. Spock said that he called himself Nero. If Spock knew him he should have said I was confronted by Nero and explained the relationship. Another thing Spock did not say that the Jellyish was made by the Federation. There were no Starfleet personnel in that scence when they are preparin the ship. It stands to reason that Nero Knew who Spock was through his reputation and relationship with the Romulan government. He was in exile on Romulus or quite some time. That explains why Nero Knew his history. Bob Orci may have admitted it to humor the terkmovie dude but I am sure Paramount has another perspective. The Next Gen had their moment in the sun and they blew it. I dont want to see the Next Gen in this new trek incarnation. Comics should not be canon. Your average movie goer is not going to the local comic shop to get comics before the films. He saw the first one and it was cool and they want to see the second one. I really get annoyed with these nuerotic canon questions. Canon should be whats on film and Comics should be non canon unless highlighted in a film. They avoided Next Gen references in the movie because they did not want to confuse the movie audience. They could have put Starfleet personnel in the film maybe a few ships. Countdown was ok but it should be canon. There are too many inconsistencies in the film and the comic for there to be a genuine link. I think that was a self-serving question to justify all the money you spend on comics.

331. R. - August 8, 2012

Is it really too much to ask for them to just make another live-action one? I think with the recent rover landing, the Star Trek movies, and the discovery of the higgs among other things raising public awareness of and involvement with science and space, 2010-20 could be a great decade for sci-fi; with the right production value and a strong, story arc-driven plot, Star Trek could be very successful.

Just not as an animated series.

Let the movies tell the alternate storyline, and jump ahead to a time after Voyager with the shows. Tell us what happened to species 8472 when the Borg were destroyed. Tell us what happened to the liberated Borg when they realized they had personalities. Tell us what happened to that crazy warrior race Voyager freed in that one episode. So many directions to go…just don’t go the animated one. Adults are probably not going to watch cartoons unless they are comedically driven, like family guy and the like.

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