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JJ Abrams Reveals Sneak Peak of Star Trek Into Darkness [Minor Spoilers] [UPDATED With High Res Image] October 5, 2012

by Kayla Iacovino , Filed under: Star Trek Into Darkness , trackback

Finally, we have our first look inside Star Trek Into Darkness. JJ came on the Conan O’Brien show yesterday and gave an excited, albeit extremely small, sneak peak at the new movie. It’s only three frames — not three seconds, three frames. Just enough to whet the appetites of us Trekkies chomping at the bit for a little something. [Minor spoiler below]. UPDATE: Check out the new higher resolution still image grabbed from the 1080p video!

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Update: high res still

Three Frame Sneak Peak of Trek 2
Abrams appeared on Conan Thursday night and showed only 3 frames from Star Trek Into Darkness from a scene where Zach Quinto as Spock ventures into a volcano with a protective suit.

*Not a new spoiler, I know, but we added the minor spoilers tag to protect those who wish to remain ignorant.

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Comments

1. Mik - October 5, 2012

That was lame!

2. Greg Stamper - October 5, 2012

We’ll take what we can get. It was a great Conan bit.

3. KHAN 2.0 - October 5, 2012

er wow…ok um yeah

4. Schultz - October 5, 2012

Funny. ;)

5. Calastir - October 5, 2012

Enlighten me, were Roddenberry and the other directors ever as flippant towards their fanbase?

Because this continually insulting attitude angers me and makes me want to boycot and leave the franchise alltogether.

I wish Peter Jackson was producing this.

6. cleaming2b-boborci - October 5, 2012

be patient…

7. dalek - October 5, 2012

#5 the secrecy sucks, but it’s hardly insulting. The clip was a joke and should be seen as such. There’s no need to get angry over a bit of light entertainment.

8. Tobias Richter - October 5, 2012

I think it was very funny.

Still looking forward to the first trailer…

9. nicolas - October 5, 2012

So much secrecy only to protect the story of the crew fighting an evil enemy sounds really suspect to me…

10. Jack - October 5, 2012

5. I don’t know. I don’t remember fans demanding to see the movies while they were still making them.

11. ProtoVulcan - October 5, 2012

The level off secrecy has gone too far.
If they want box office, they need to start building hype.

12. matt - October 5, 2012

This is maddening. JJ Abrams has possession of the script and all of the footage, and I have possession of a computer.

WHY ISN’T HE LETTING ME SEE THE MOVIE NOW?

Wait to see it in the cinema when the movie is completed? Where the painstaking work of the thousands of craftsmen and artists can realised in the form I claim to love? So that the story can be experienced in as pure a form as possible, so I can experience the journey as the characters do?

Message received Abrams: F*CK YOU TREKKIES.

13. Kevin - October 5, 2012

BLOCKED IN CANADA FOR FRACK’S SAKE I AM SICK OF THAT CRAP.

14. Mark Lynch - October 5, 2012

I hope no psychotic trekkers know where JJ lives…

But seriously, I’m sure it was meant as a joke, but that sort of felt like a slap in the face nevertheless. I would rather they didn’t bother to show anything.

Thanks for the article though Kayla.

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16. Mark Lynch - October 5, 2012

@11
There is no way that there will be any form of marketing to the general public until at least the beginning of next year.

What we have to remember is that these Star Trek films are geared toward the general audience and not the standard fans, and as we know the general audiences attention/memory span is somewhat lower than that of a goldfish in a bowl.

Relax, it was a joke cupcake. :-)

But I must say that there should have been a teaser trailer by now.

17. Kirk, James T. - October 5, 2012

Love it.

I think the fans should lighten up, don’t be so sensitive. Star Trek fans since the dawn of time have always been the butt of nerd jokes from people like Conan and other comedians and people who aren’t nerds/geeks. JJ Abrams and his team as far as I’m concerned have always shown the fans the highest form of respect. I wish the same could be said of the fans showing Abrams and Co. The respect they deserve.

What I see here and other Trek sites many times is a few, a minority of VERY insecure fans unable to grapple with reality and the world at large, thinking that the almighty Roddenberry would disapprove at what Star Trek has become. Fans who are unable to laugh and have fun with Star Trek. I mean if you can’t laugh at yourself then you might as well stay in bed.

Its great to see Star Trek alive and honesty for the first time in DECADES!!! to see Sta Trek out there being applauded and living because of Abrams, well I’d take that over any screaming fanboy crying because he or she can’t handle real life and real people. Lighten up for Roddenberry’s sake.

I know, I’m gonna get letters for this…

18. Kirk, James T. - October 5, 2012

Also Conan saying “Star Trek Into Darkness” sounded pretty bad-ass awesome!

19. Calastir - October 5, 2012

His contempt for us is clear. Abrams strives to make Star Trek for the masses, like a buddy suddenly siding with your bullies.

20. Kirk, James T. - October 5, 2012

Also, Its rubbish to think that the wider movie-going audiences are somehow dumb and wouldn’t remember seeing a trailer a year in advance. I don’t think the secrecy has gone too far, I think the less we know the more we want to know and the more we want to see the movie. I know I can’t wait. Its the fact that some fanboys are so impatient and cant wait that speaks more to the ignorance and childish nature of some fans than it does anyone else.

I’d expect a trailer to be released at Christmas time either attached to Paramount’s new Tom Cruise movie or dare I say it, The Hobbit.

21. Andy Patterson - October 5, 2012

Ah, some news?

22. njdss4 - October 5, 2012

JJ just loves poking the bear with this secrecy stuff. We’re still waiting for a teaser trailer! This delay is agonizing.

23. Nick - October 5, 2012

Nice one. 3 frames lasted much longer than anticipated.

Can we get 3 more next week?

Am I right in saying that Peter Jackson’s preferred format would show us less in 3 frames?

Mind boggles :)

24. JamfoFL - October 5, 2012

I must say, as a life-long Star Trek fan, that my excitement for the film only grows with the secrecy. As other’s have said, I find it quite refreshing to enter a theater to see a film that hasn’t been so over-hyped and diseminated that I know 90% of what will happen in the movie before I plop down my money to watch it.

Compare this with something like Star Trek III. Search for Spock? Ok, sure… like once we knew the title we didn’t already know the outcome. So basically we knew we were going to see a film where they bring Spock back… no suprise ending there. And the big, emotional money shot, the destruction of the Enterprise? The studios, in their genius, decided to put that shot into the commercials, for crying out loud! The sense of surprise, emotion, heartbreak and revelation were totally ruined for that film.

There’s nothing wrong with secrecy! It just means there will be MORE sense of advenure and that MORE of the movie will actually be a surprise. If you’re too much a part of modern “instant gratification” society and feel entitled to see something, I’m sorry for you. I, for one, am enjoying the ride.

25. JRT! - October 5, 2012

This was just TOO funny! I LIKE it! All that bulid up and then just….FLASH! Perfect for my sort attention span…..and that’s NOT a joke,I really do have a very short attention span,lol! SQUIRREL!

@8 Mr.Richter! I LOVE your images of new movie Enterprise! Will there be more at some point? I REALLY hope so!

Oooooh,a butterfly…..

Have fun y’all!

John-Robin!

26. A - October 5, 2012

Naked Time episode anyone?

27. chrisfawkes.com - October 5, 2012

So, the villain is Khan.

I knew it.

28. Christopher Roberts - October 5, 2012

In a volcano eh?

I was hoping for the three frames of Benedict Cumberbatch with his white cat!

29. captain Nick - October 5, 2012

funny !

30. Aurore - October 5, 2012

“So, the villain is Khan.”
_______

Alas. That much is obvious, now.

That f*cking clip was far too revealing.

Mr. Abrams is definitely losing his touch….I knew it.

Loser….

:)

31. Flim Flam - October 5, 2012

Spocky’s on Fire!!

32. Christopher Roberts - October 5, 2012

[strokes purring cat]

“Ah. I’ve been expecting you… Mr. Spock.”

33. losing interest - October 5, 2012

I’m so sick of getting jerked around by JJ and company. This was insulting and made fun of fans everywhere.

JJ and company are laughing their heads off right now, thinking how smart they are.. I’m disgusted by the whole thing

34. Starfleet Sideburns - October 5, 2012

@17: QFT :)

35. Toonloon - October 5, 2012

Lol! Very funny.

36. Captain Jack Bauer - October 5, 2012

@13

It can be seen on teamcoco.com

37. Tom - October 5, 2012

Oh, damn! If they show a trailer in “The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey” then I will spazz at the start and end of the movie because of a certain Benedict Cumberbatch?! ‘Cause you know, Smaug’s eye is reported to open at the end of the film. That guy is taking over my geekdoms.

38. The Keeper - October 5, 2012

BROVO!!! ..that had me burst out a laught!!!!
Keep it a secret boys!

39. EJD1984 - October 5, 2012

Reminds me of the my “first time” – It was over so quick “Did anything even happen?”

40. Jay - October 5, 2012

as long as there’s more to come SOON I’m fine with that.
Everything starts somewhere right…

41. Damian - October 5, 2012

I think people sometimes forget that secrecy has always been the way of Star Trek movies. While it’s true Abrams generally keeps things close to the vest, for Star Trek, that’s hardly a new thing.

It’s always been hard to get more than general information about the Star Trek films. Once the trailer comes out, we’ll have at least a general idea where Into Darkness is heading.

42. jon - October 5, 2012

Maybe they have nothing good to show. The long delay…lack of a script and super secrecy makes me suspicous. I fear we will have a big production bust.

43. Riker's Beard - October 5, 2012

Would people rather know the entire plot in advance? I’m with Kirk, James T.. JJ is doing a great job.

44. Anthony Lewis - October 5, 2012

If anyone has ever seen or heard an interview by JJ Abrams about his philosophy on film making you would know he is all about secrecy.

He basically hates the internet age where you can watch trailers that give away the whole movie, and read most of the plot before you ever see one frame of the actual movie.

He likes to preserve the feeling of not knowing what comes next, and the only way to really do that is to put out very little.

Eventually he will have to release a full length trailer, but if it is anything like the traliers for Trek ’09 then I doubt we will be able to figure out much about the story.

45. John - October 5, 2012

Well here is a gif of the three frames in motion.
http://i.imgur.com/mCNNL.gif

46. Jenny - October 5, 2012

OK, JJ Abrams is apparently completely made of awesome. Fantastic trolling, A+, I laughed out loud!

And seriously, though I HUNGER for the next movie, I wouldn’t actually want to know that much about it; there’s something to be said for seeing a film unspoiled. Trailers these days have a tendency to give away WAY too much.

And hey, it’s nice to know I retain the ability to laugh at myself and my desperation! I embrace my own silliness.

47. Spork - October 5, 2012

Ahahaha . Three frames?….and i can’t even see the three frickin frames in my region!!! :-)))))

48. Spork - October 5, 2012

ok i saw the gif, well now wasn’t that something. Lol. Be back in a few months :-))))

49. Spork - October 5, 2012

ok i saw the gif, well now wasn’t that something. Lol. Be back in a few months :-))

50. BulletInTheFace - October 5, 2012

Those accusing Abrams of being insulting to the fan base really need to get their heads out of their collective asses.

It’s. Just. A. Movie.

And when the time is right, we’ll get a trailer and everyone will be happy. Until then, there’s no reason to get pissed off. Why?

Because. It’s. Just. A. Movie.

51. Dr. Scott Xavier - October 5, 2012

Genesis volcanic activity?

52. KG - October 5, 2012

#17 Gene Roddenberry would hate what Star Trek has become. If tales of what he was like in regards to TNG are to be believed however, he was on the verge of ruining Star Trek George Lucas style.

I hate to speak ill of the dead, but he had changed as a person. He had turned from a producer of good dramatic television into a futurist that would have ruined Star Trek by making it boring.

53. Sean1701 - October 5, 2012

I think there is a theme here. In keeping with the theme of “darkness”, JJ Abrams & crew are deliberately keeping us in the dark.
I agree the 3 frame clip is a bit of a letdown, but this may be a clip form the soon-to-be released teaser. In a way, I applaud JJ for taking this stance because (unlike the old days), movies are basically ruined before a person can go see it. From teasers (that don’t tease) to trailers that give away EVERYTHING, to scripts and bootlegging (heck, look at Wolverine, the film was online, albeit in an unfinished form). I think we need this to keep the film as fresh as possible. Granted, just because the spoilers are out there doesn’t mean we have to read or see them, but I think JJ is trying to preserve as many surprises with this film as he can. Besides, Trek fans should rejoice: this will be the first Trek film in IMAX and 3d!!!

54. Moputo Jones - October 5, 2012

Genesis Planet. ‘Nuff said.

55. captainkirk - October 5, 2012

To all those complaining about how J.J. went and slapped you in the face, we had nothing yesterday. Trekmovie has barely had any articles for weeks. And now we have actual frames from the movie. Often at this point a still picture will be released. Instead we’ve got three pictures and they’re in morion. I don’t see why there’s any reason to complain.

And to all those saying how much better Peter Jackson is, he shot the Hobbit at 48fps so the shot would go by twice as fast in the clip.

56. Mikeypikey - October 5, 2012

Has no one commented on this?…Those three frames contain no lens flares !!?

57. kadorthegreat - October 5, 2012

@5 then leave, the rest of us are sick to death of people like you whining about the lack of information, spoilers have destroyed the film industry the the lack of information this time around is refreshing, though I’m willing to bet when it does come out your most likely going to rage hate all over the film

@33 GET OFF THE INTERNET AND GET A SENSE OF HUMOR!

58. Christopher Roberts - October 5, 2012

45. John – “Well here is a gif of the three frames in motion.”
http://i.imgur.com/mCNNL.gif

—-

I told Spock not to have the vegetarian curry.

]:->

59. enterprise1965 - October 5, 2012

People you all need to relax realize their are other important matters in life. This was a lite hearted interview that was made to get laughs and I thought it was funny. I for one am glad more footage was spoiled that would dampened the excitement of the movie expeirence. I’ll never forget the spoiled footage of the enterprise blowing up in ST. III. Not good.

60. enterprise1965 - October 5, 2012

People you all need to relax realize their are other important matters in life. This was a lite hearted interview that was made to get laughs and I thought it was funny. I for one am glad more footage was spoiled that would dampened the excitement of the movie expeirence. I’ll never forget the spoiled footage of the enterprise blowing up in ST. III. Not good.

61. Chris J - October 5, 2012

Just rewatched Balance of Terror, and at the end the Romulan captain laments to Kirk that they met in battle, and that “in a different reality, we could have been friends”.

Now that would be a great reference in the new timeline.

62. AJ - October 5, 2012

That was just way too funny.

63. Jonboc - October 5, 2012

That was great lol Andy was hilarious, he must visit this site! His “disgruntled fanatic” was spot on!

64. rm10019 - October 5, 2012

I’ll take it! Looks great. I’m still really looking forward to the PS3 game coming. Lots of Trek in spacesuits!

65. Trekker5 - October 5, 2012

Too funny!! :) And hey,it was something! :)

66. Trekker5 - October 5, 2012

Too funny!! :) And hey,it was something! :)

67. moauvian waoul - aka: seymour hiney - October 5, 2012

“His contempt for us is clear. Abrams strives to make Star Trek for the masses, like a buddy suddenly siding with your bullies.”

Dude, that’s funny.

68. Nony - October 5, 2012

I see the lensflares have finally set something on fire, sunlight-through-a-magnifying-glass style.

69. Joel - October 5, 2012

Despite the brief tease by Abrams (and him thumbing his nose as the paparazzi by showing 3 frames of Spock in the volcano) we’re getting so close to seeing actual footage from the movie.

Granted we’re all anxious and a bit pissed we’ve waited this long, but it’s really not that unbelievable. Don’t forget the first time we saw actual footage from Star Trek ’09 (not the teaser of the Enterprise under construction) was when Quantum of Solace debuted in Nov. 2008.

If we’re looking at the same timetable, then everything is on track to have a trailer debut in November or December (I’m thinking with the Hobbit in Dec.) and we’ll get a poster and website to along with the premiere. If we just hold onto our butts for 6-8 more weeks, we’ll get what we want/deserve.

70. moauvian waoul - aka: seymour hiney - October 5, 2012

“Just rewatched Balance of Terror, and at the end the Romulan captain laments to Kirk that they met in battle, and that ‘in a different reality, we could have been friends’.”

“Now that would be a great reference in the new timeline.”

I like it.

71. samporteresq - October 5, 2012

That’s hilarious.

72. Yammer - October 5, 2012

The silhouette respects the general outline of the Tholian Web spacesuits.

Indicating yet again that this revived Trek is indeed deeply informed by, although not in worshipful thrall to, our beloved TOS

73. gov - October 5, 2012

in regards to the title:

is the is the first time we’ve heard the title spoken out loud?

Conan called it Star Trek (pause for invisible colon) Into Darkness.

JJ didnt correct him. So it seems that there is still an unspoken colon to be inserted. Thank goodness!

74. filmboy - October 5, 2012

Nice move JJ. Three frames. Eh, it is alright by me as it was more of a joke than anything. All the Trek fans need to settle down. More will be coming soon.

I mean seriously we are gonna have an Iron Man 3 trailer online before the end of the month. I am confident a teaser trailer for Star Trek Into Darkness will be released shortly thereafter. It has been 4 years since the last film was released, they gonna start early to create awareness with the general audience that another Trek is coming. I’d say we will see more from this film in November.

Everyone just be patient…it is coming.

75. Charla - October 5, 2012

I agree with those who enjoyed the clip for what it was- Funny!! Paramount and JJ may have been teasing us fans, but in a crazy and funny way the fanbase was acknowledged! I think it was a great idea. I mean come on, if you were in their shoes, and read all this, wouldn’t you want to have a little fun with it too? LOL We need to be a good sport! :D

Besides, I really hate wasting 2 hrs of my time watching a movie that was summed up already for me in a trailer that I viewed prior to to seeing said movie. Or has sometimes been better than the actual movie! We’ve all seen the trailers that have every important scene crammed into 2 minutes of film.

I hope when the trailer is released it doesn’t show so much of the movie that it isn’t necessary to go see it in the theater.

~Less is more~

76. Calastir - October 5, 2012

Reading through most of these comments is like hearing an abused woman actually defending the husband that keeps beating on her.

77. Tiberius Subprime - October 5, 2012

@75

True.
The problem is that for years now trailers have done nothing but show you the whole movie.

While I think we should have more info by now on the film (and I mean NOW Mr Orci) , I also think the trailer should not give away the whole plot. It should entice us.

78. jamesingeneva - October 5, 2012

OMG some of you guys are so crazy it cracks me up. How do you make it in the real world lol…

I loved that JJ gave Conan the first 3 frames of the new movie! that’s a huge honor for Conan, love the dude. I can’t watch the main stream guys any more, i.e. Leno and Letterman.

I loved that Paramount let him tease us a little bit. He didn’t have to do that so those saying its not enough, for the love of god get over it! I’m only going to be upset if we somehow get roasted by the end of the year for all those folks that still believe poops hitting the fan before the years over…

And I have to agree, hearing the title read outloud sounded SEXY! I loved it! Reading it I hated it but man said out loud just sounds so good.

Thank God for you Kayla keeping this site going, can’t believe I didn’t watch Conan last night!!!

79. Robbi - October 5, 2012

Every joke in this clip was arranged although they wanted it to look like it was spontaneous. I find this somewhat frightening and also insulting.

Maybe it was a good joke but they way it was presented, how obvious it was that this was not a spontaneous dialogue with a spontaneous joke, makes me somewhat sick…

80. The Professor - October 5, 2012

That was funny.
@75. I agree. Less IS more!
I enjoy the anticipation.

81. DavidJ - October 5, 2012

Yeah I was hoping for more…. but I hardly think it’s worth getting righteously indignant over. The movie will come out eventually.

82. NuFan - October 5, 2012

Hah! That was hilarious! I hope the disgruntled fanatics understand how the real world sees them.

83. Quark - October 5, 2012

Was that Khan reflected in Spock’s visor in frame 3?

84. Andy - October 5, 2012

Atleast we got something. I’d take 3 frames over no frames any day!

85. BillyBoy - October 5, 2012

Actually, even with 3 frames, it was still a “spoiler” of sorts. The leaked green screen footage of that scene didn’t have a background, so we assumed it was “Spock in a volcano” based on the reflections on the suit and the foreground material. Now JJ confirms there is indeed a scene of Spock going into a Volcano, and we have an idea what the background looks like with the SFX inserted.

86. crazydaystrom - October 5, 2012

What I want, what I NEED is -

Three more frames!

THREE MORE FRAMES!
THREE MORE FRAMES!
THREE MORE FRAMES!
THREE MORE FRAMES!
THREE MORE FRAMES!
THREE MORE FRAMES!

THREE MORE…
Is that asking too much? I mean now that the villain and plot have been revealed and the entire movie spoiled, why not?

FOUR MORE YEA…uh…or rather -

THREE MORE FRAMES!

87. kmart - October 5, 2012

Whole thing reminded me of Paris Hilton, it was just ‘so hot.’

Abrams, what a moron.

88. Mikey1091 - October 5, 2012

And…that 3 frame preview tells us…what, exactly? Still, like others said, we’ll take what we can get.

89. Scooter - October 5, 2012

Nice. At least I got a good laugh.

90. Red Dead Ryan - October 5, 2012

Hey, at least its SOMETHING!

At least we now know that at least one of the Enterprise crew gets “thrown into the fire” in the sequel!

:-)

#76.

That wasn’t funny. Nor appropriate.

91. ados - October 5, 2012

Sorry about subject change….Trek vets return on Big Bang

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/big-bang-theory-season-six-spoilers-levar-burton–wil-wheaton-star-trek-376623

92. cadet wienerschnitzel - October 5, 2012

this movie better rock my world or all my anticipation and frayed nerves will be for NOTHING!!!

93. Dear Leader - October 5, 2012

Tired of JJ being a douche about this. Get rid of him and bring back Berman, PLEASE, and the original timeline.

94. Jack - October 5, 2012

69. Joel. Exactly.

And to 76, how are we getting beaten, exactly. Because we haven’t been shown chunks from a movie that isn’t finished, 7 months before it’s in theatres.

BTW,re: geotagging: I’m in Canada and the clip worked. But really, ego locking has nothing to do with this site. A lot of online TV content is blocked outside of the network’s home country — folks can’t see CBC shows in the US.

95. GG - October 5, 2012

I am not amused :(

96. TC65 - October 5, 2012

Well, we know someone is in an environmental suit / EV suit and there’s fire possibly from some kind of explosion undoubtedly from something which makes it harder for the person in the suit to complete a mission which is very dangerous and full danger!

I wonder if the explosion is from the ugly ship exploding? LOL!

I really can’t stand that new starship. It looks like it was designed by Ferengi=Pakled hybrids who have no creativity. UGGGGHHH-LY

Now why did you guys go and spit in the face of Star Trek by making that ship so damned ugly? Oh, well, looks like that ship will be the red-headed step-child of Trekdom. You can put lipstick on a pic but it’s still a pig with lipstick on it.

That design decision reminds me of Star Wars Galaxy and the New Gaming Experience (NGE) which everyone hated and was the first and last nail in that once-great MMO.

Better to use those old 1970′s Barbie Doll Microphones w/ the antenna out the end of it, they look about the same…lol.

Pardon my rant, but it’s true.

97. enterprise1965 - October 5, 2012

How many frames do you see?

Picard: THEIR… ARE…THREE…FRAMES!

98. Duncan MacLeod - October 5, 2012

@87.. Yes JJ is a “moron” who is a multimillionaire who makes television and movies that people love. I’d like to see you do better?

99. TC65 - October 5, 2012

Perhaps they should have titled the movie: “Star Trek: By Any Other Name.”

Seems like where it’s heading. Mash it up as much as you can, it goes to the same place anyway.

I hope this movie isn’t 3-D and I hope this movie isn’t IMAX. Action movies and IMAX doesn’t work well. You miss much of the detail and action.

I had to go see the 2009 movie in regular SD 2-D just to catch the things I missed in IMAX.

Sometime I wish we were still in the 1960′s. Thinks were finely crafted then and since there was hardly a budget, people were motivated by showcasing their skills and crafts, not special effects and monetizing every aspect of it.

Monetizing = Cliche.

100. A1071CCN - October 5, 2012

and here the promotion comes.. I think they’ll be a teaser trailer with Skyfall and then maybe the 1st Hobbit film.

101. Red Dead Ryan - October 5, 2012

#99.

I hate to break it to you, but the sequel was filmed in IMAX. It will also be converted into 3-D.

Also, the 60′s are long over. Time to join the twenty-first century. Heck, you may even find that there are some actual good movies being made today!

102. SpockOut - October 5, 2012

That was funny! He promoted his film and totally jabbed the nerds in the eye in one stroke. As critical and Asbergers as so many on these forums are, this thread is a perfect example, it was very fitting. Good job, JJ.

103. Pizza - October 5, 2012

Spock is flatulent, and someone lit a match.

The protagonist is a can of beans.

104. Elias Javalis - October 5, 2012

Three seconds are a bargain!!

105. myofba - October 5, 2012

LOL

106. Jack - October 5, 2012

94. Geo-locking (allowing video to only work in a certain country), not ego-locking… although that would be handy here too some days…or is it geo-blocking? Anyway. It’s not a conspiracy to keep content from you (well, you could argue that) …

107. Dee - lvs moon' surface - October 5, 2012

OUCH… UHHMM… OK! ;-) :-)

108. Dee - lvs moon' surface - October 5, 2012

OUCH… UHHMM… OK! ;-) :-)

109. Phil - October 5, 2012

Less is more….

No, Mr. Spock, I expect you to die…..

110. Phil - October 5, 2012

@99. Obviously a fan of Plan 9 From Outer Space…..

111. Phil - October 5, 2012

@99. Obviously a fan of Plan 9 From Outer Space…..

112. spockside - October 5, 2012

“peak” = apex, top, highest point
“peek” = quick look

LEARN THIS.

113. Jefferies Tuber - October 5, 2012

Pride goeth before the fall.

114. VGer23 - October 5, 2012

I think this is hillarious. I love it!

Trek fans can be so predictable sometimes!

ARRGHGHGHHHHRRRR!!! THIS IS INSULTING! HE IS SPITTING ON ALL OF US!!! WHY WON’T THEY JUST SHOW US MORE ALREADY?????

And then people wonder why they get beaten up and stuffed into lockers on a regular basis.

115. Platitude - October 5, 2012

Love JJ. He’s a funny guy. And hey at least we got 3 frames!

116. Punkspocker - October 5, 2012

#5 I’m with you. Peter Jackson is a real fan.

117. MJ - October 5, 2012

WOW, at least we have a single shot from the fracking movie, finally.

Don’t really like the humor in this — they give us no fracking news and then make fun of us fans for wanting anything about the movie given their unprecedented news blackout for a Trek film.

I feel like I have just been charity-fu*ked.

118. CanOpener1256 - October 5, 2012

I wish Peter Jackson was in charge. Think of 7 behind the scene videos like we have for the Hobbit! Instead we get three frames. That Is the difference between an artist who appreciates geekdom and a person whose gimmick is to (probably) redo Khan and must keep it quiet cause he will lose his audience of geeks. Guess it just amounts to a trust in the quality of what is produced.

119. CanOpener1256 - October 5, 2012

I wish Peter Jackson was in charge. Think of 7 behind the scene videos like we have for the Hobbit! Instead we get three frames. That Is the difference between an artist who appreciates geekdom and a person whose gimmick is to (probably) redo Khan and must keep it quiet cause he will lose his audience of geeks. Guess it just amounts to a trust in the quality of what is produced.

120. CanOpener1256 - October 5, 2012

I wish Peter Jackson was in charge. Think of 7 behind the scene videos like we have for the Hobbit! Instead we get three frames. That Is the difference between an artist who appreciates geekdom and a person whose gimmick is to (probably) redo Khan and must keep it quiet cause he will lose his audience of geeks. Guess it just amounts to a trust in the quality of what is produced.

121. CanOpener1256 - October 5, 2012

Sorry … My iPad seemed like it wasn’t responding to my touch. Oops!

122. sean - October 5, 2012

Ok, I’ve been feeling a bit annoyed about the secrecy, but I’ll admit it – that was funny. And really, the whole concept of Spock going EV in a volcano is kind of awesome, so they did give us something.

123. webitube - October 5, 2012

The pre-title sequence was eye catching, but the movie lagged a bit in the second act. The set piece at the end was riveting! Looking forward to the sequel! ;)

124. No Khan - October 5, 2012

I love the way people are seeing fire & now reading Genesis planet into this already. There’s no way they would remake Wrath of Khan exactly the same way. I can see it now, a photo leak of Spock on the ground and people will be screaming see its Spocks death.

125. dmduncan - October 5, 2012

Hahahaha!

126. rm10019 - October 5, 2012

I think Anthony owes us an apology or at least an explanation for this ;)

127. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 5, 2012

More like Star Trek into Blindingly Bright Light!…LOL

I swear I only saw one frame, not three. A two+ minutes video clip only took 20 minutes to load on my computer – not sure if that was because of the spoiler tags or my computer.

I suspect that Bob Orci may have put JJ up to this. Anyway, that’s my *conspiracy theory*…:) What say you, Bob?

128. EM - October 5, 2012

I love Star Trek.
I love Conan O’Brien.
I love that JJ has a sense of humour.
I love this comedy bit.
I love the secrecy.

If you are upset over this, please allow me to quote Mr. William Shatner :

“Get a life”!

129. SirBroiler - October 5, 2012

This would have been a lot funnier had he not spilled it was three frames before showing the clip. Just should have said, “Paramount would only let me show a little bit of the movie….”

130. Craiger - October 5, 2012

What if they use the Genesis Device to create the new Vulcan just like old Vulcan because their aren’t any planets that have the environment that old Vulcan had and Khan steals it before they get a chance to and they send in Kirk and crew to get it back?

131. Richard Civil - October 5, 2012

With the internet the way it is I hope there are still surprises when the movie is released.

132. rm10019 - October 5, 2012

What if it’s not a Volcano, but he is walking INSIDE the Doomsday Machine, to set a charge and destroy it from within.

133. Pensive's Wetness - October 5, 2012

Ok that was very f&^$ed up JJ. But at least your next film would be as retarded as Prometheus ended being, hype & all…

134. Pensive's Wetness - October 5, 2012

Ok that was very f&^$ed up JJ. But at least your next film would be as retarded as Prometheus ended being, hype & all…

135. Craiger - October 5, 2012

Nice theory , RM10019.

What if Cumberbatch is Commodor Decker? What if that scene with Spock and Uhura is them trying to stop Decker from sacreficing his life to destroy the Doomsday Machine. I think that could make for a good action film. The Doomsday Machine destroying planets and Kirk and Crew are sent to stop it. They could come across Decker’s ship wrecked and its another ship like the new Enterprise.

136. boborci - October 5, 2012

127. We all agreed what three frames we should show.

I get some frustration, but I do think it is best for stories to know as little as possible up front. I don’t agree with anyone who says JJ is insulting Star Trek fans when he has dedicated YEARS of his life to making good Star Trek.

137. Phil - October 5, 2012

Well, Peter Jackson isn’t in charge. Bitc**ng about it isn’t going to chage anything. And there was a wicked bit of humor about showing three frames, because they nailed how the entitlement mentality of some of the fans would respond.

138. boborci - October 5, 2012

127. We all agreed what three frames we should show.

I get some frustration, but I do think it is best for stories to know as little as possible up front. I don’t agree with anyone who says JJ is insulting Star Trek fans when he has dedicated YEARS of his life to making good Star Trek.

139. boborci - October 5, 2012

127. We all agreed what three frames we should show.

I get some frustration, but I do think it is best for stories to know as little as possible up front. I don’t agree with anyone who says JJ is insulting Star Trek fans when he has dedicated YEARS of his life to making good Star Trek.

140. drumvan - October 5, 2012

but the great part is j.j. is obviously cutting down on the lense flares this time. did anyone see any in that clip? nope, not a one. :)

141. rm10019 - October 5, 2012

Thanks Bob, and thanks for all the hard work.

142. T'cal - October 5, 2012

He made me watch the incredibly creepy Conan. I will never forgive him. So lame it was insulting.

143. Rico - October 5, 2012

Ok, now JJ is just messing with us.

144. Craiger - October 5, 2012

Bob we knew that Bane, The Lizard and Zod were the bad guys way before those movies came out but I don’t think that spoiled it for anybody. I think it could create more buzz for the sequel if we know who the bad guy is. Trek fans already know all the bad guys from Trek so telling it won’t spoil it for them. The general public I think know who the general bad guys are in Trek, Klingons, Khan ect. They are already promoting the new Lone Ranger and the new Jack Ryan films now and they aren’t coming out until 2013 and December 2013 with the new Jack Ryan film.

145. MJ - October 5, 2012

“Well, Peter Jackson isn’t in charge. Bitc**ng about it isn’t going to chage anything. And there was a wicked bit of humor about showing three frames, because they nailed how the entitlement mentality of some of the fans would respond.”

Actually, what this really confirmed was the entitlement of JJ and the Supreme Court to be condescending and make fun of the fans. That is the “entitlement” that I took away from this. Peter Jackson would NEVER feel so entitled that he thought he “owned” the Lord of the Rings and could therefore get away with F’ing with the fans like this.

Sorry, I am not laughing. Great to finally get a still shot thought, but would have preferred they just released the shot instead of making fun of us in the process.

146. rm10019 - October 5, 2012

I thought we all knew the bad guy for the film, RDR told me himself, a year ago!! lol ;)

147. PaulB - October 5, 2012

#128 – Ditto to your whole post, EM! A lot of folks around here need to lighten up and develop a sense of humor.

It’s no surprise that Anthony P. is AWOL. The insane negativity–even comparing some of us to abuse victims, for crying out loud!–is enough to drive a lot of people away from this site. If you were offended by JJ’s joke, then you’re too thin-skinned to live in the real world, and you take Trek WAY too seriously.

148. MJ - October 5, 2012

“It’s no surprise that Anthony P. is AWOL. The insane negativity–even comparing some of us to abuse victims, for crying out loud!–is enough to drive a lot of people away from this site. If you were offended by JJ’s joke, then you’re too thin-skinned to live in the real world, and you take Trek WAY too seriously.”

Sheesh, your level of whining if 10 times as much as my little complaint about this. Perhaps you are too thin skinned to simply accept a differing opinion here and are taking my post WAY too seriously? This insane whining about differing opinions should stop. How do you get by in the real world if you respond to a Trek fan’s differing opinion with such vitriol?

149. Charla - October 5, 2012

Hi Bob! Me and my kids got a good laugh last night! That was pretty cool!

Be sure to tell JJ and the SC Thanks for the clip! Most of us were impressed with the quality of the visual effects and Zachary Quinto delivered a calm but in control Spock and the audio was, well, just mind blowing!! ha! ;D

150. rm10019 - October 5, 2012

148 – Don’t worry, I never take you too seriously, you have my word on that! :)

I LIKE this ship!

151. TrekTech - October 5, 2012

Good Trek is a matter of opinion. I see good Star Wars dressed in Trek costumes. Theres a difference but its all a matter of opinion I guess.

152. DiscoSpock - October 5, 2012

MJ said: “Sorry, I am not laughing. Great to finally get a still shot though, but would have preferred they just released the shot instead of making fun of us in the process.”

I agree. We’ve been waiting an extraordinary long time for the first official shot to be released, and for JJ to now, after all this time, to tease the fans like this just seems cheap and unnecessary to me.

PaulB and others, please don’t pull your freakout show on me for this comment. This is simply my personal opinion, and nothing more. If it differs from yours, let’s just chalk that up to IDIQ and not try to berate others, please.

153. TrekTech - October 5, 2012

Good Trek is a matter of opinion. I see good Star Wars dressed in Trek costumes. Theres a difference but its all a matter of opinion I guess.

154. Charla - October 5, 2012

This is hilarious! My daughter just said to me in passing, “They did just what Conan said they’d do” (talking about when he said that someone would “freeze frame it and then dissect it.” )

Conan would get a kick if he were to stop in now!!

155. rm10019 - October 5, 2012

153 – I think you take this ‘tease by JJ’ too personally. It’s fun and funny to me and was meant that way. just my opinion, i understand.

I’m thrilled that they are talking about the movie now, and look forward to more Trek actors on the talk shows mentioning it and showing 3 frames a piece.

156. Stunkill - October 5, 2012

Memo to Conan: how did that Tonight Show thing work out?

(Probably not so funny to him, as he really cared about that.)

157. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 5, 2012

Why has my post disappeared?, yet other posts who talk about Abrams in this manner –

MJ – “Actually, what this really confirmed was the entitlement of JJ and the Supreme Court to be condescending and make fun of the fans.”

or this post (I assume this poster is virtually accusing Abrams and the team of behaviour similar to a husband who abuses his wife) -

“Calastir – October 5, 2012
Reading through most of these comments is like hearing an abused woman actually defending the husband that keeps beating on her.”

Personally, I found Calastir’s post offensive and disturbing. It is not unlike the posts of the past where some people accused JJ Abrams of “raping Star Trek”.

So, am I to assume that these posts quoted above are acceptable postings but mine is not? The fact is that my post did appear here and then disappeared and I am not happy. I feel that I am being unfairly censored.

Clearly, there is someone monitoring this board. Now, if only they would do it properly and delete the exact same posts that, for some reason, get repeated once, twice…, as was Bob Orci’s post at #138 and #139.

Thank you, Bob Orci, for commenting on my post. I was not expecting it actually. I am happy to know that you guys appear to work well as a team…btw I appreciate the humour in your choice of spoiler…LOL

158. MJ - October 5, 2012

@157 / Keachick

“I assume this poster (MJ) is virtually accusing Abrams and the team of behaviour similar to a husband who abuses his wife.”

Wow, those of you who you disagree with my opinion on this have to resort to try to label this as wife-beating?

That is a morally bankrupt response, and frankly I would have expected better from you, Keachick.

“husband who abuses his wife” WHAT THE FU*K I never said nor infered this was comparable to physical abuse of someone. Where do you come up with this crap. Can’t you at least just disagree NORMALLY with what I said?

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159. DiscoSpock - October 5, 2012

Bob Orci,

I agree with you that JJ should be commended for his work on Star Trek. I disagree though completely on his engagement process with the fans. He has largely been aloof, and not accessible to the fans. That is his prerogative, but I reserve the right to comment on it. And also, by not being accessible to the fans, it is inevitable that when he pulls stunts like this that some fans are going to see it as condescending and unnecessary.

It is what it is. If he had a more open relationship with the fans,I believe that the response here would be more positively unified concerning his prank on Conan.

Also, PaulB and Keachick, I find it offensive that you are trying to bring in spousal abuse to your arguments? Can you try to tone it down a bit, please. You are both out of control.

160. AJ - October 5, 2012

This would be the beginning of the marketing campaign, JJ-style, I take it.

161. Captain Dunsel - October 5, 2012

CHECK IT OUT >
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2209757/More-Jules-Burned-Jules-Verne-Astonishing-picture-scientist-exploring-inside-depths-volcano.html

Like the surface of the sun: Getting to within just 30m of the molten lava, Geoff Mackley has become the first person ever to get so close to the centre of this volcano

162. Montreal_Paul - October 5, 2012

Do you guys remember that Nicolas Meyer knew nothing about Trek when he helmed TWOK. He had never seen an episode before being asked to Direct. And he was also quite aloof and inaccessible to fans. He took Trek in a new direction and, at the time, people were upset with him changing the uniforms and the more militaristic look of Trek.

TWOK is now the bar at which all other Trek movie are judged. And Meyer is much beloved by most Trek fans. Even though he doesn’t go to conventions and claims he still isn’t a Trekkie.

Just something to mull over while everyone bashes JJ and the new Trek.

163. Paul - October 5, 2012

People, please stop complaining. JJ doesn’t need your money. Just don’t see the movie. Walk away and find a hobby. Get some Vitamin D. Go fishing. Eat a sandwich. Enjoy life.

164. Hugh Hoyland - October 5, 2012

I didnt want to spoil anything but during the volcanic flash, I saw THE ROCK MAN in the back ground! :]

165. Craiger - October 5, 2012

Man this site has really gone to the crapper. We know have newbies in here complaining about the so called whiners, the chat isn’t even moderated anymore.

One other I think I thought about with Trekmovie being dead is maybe JJ and Bob are covorting with Anthony to keep quiet until the promotion starts and they will give him all the exclusives to the sequel and not any of the movie blogs?

However if that is the case Trekmovie has still gone to the crapper because now its just sticking to its name Trekmovie and just reporting on movie news and not all Star Trek news. The tagline the way I see it means all Trek news not just the movie and if Anthony doesn’t have time for that anymore the tagline should really be taken down.

166. Adolescent Nightmare - October 5, 2012

I can tell you the entire plot from those 3 frames.

167. Adolescent Nightmare - October 5, 2012

I can tell you the entire plot from those 3 frames.

168. Montreal_Paul - October 5, 2012

165. Craiger

I wouldn’t exactly call myself a newbie. Been around since before the 09 movie opened. ;)

169. dscott - October 5, 2012

No Mongo reply? No… “whole movie spolied for mongo now, mongo know whole plot now”?

Maybe even Mongo has been run off by all the haters arounds here.

170. Craiger - October 5, 2012

One other thing about the secrecy what’s the point in having the internet if no one what to know any news about upcoming TV shows and Movies? Can’t you do trailers that are like when TV shows say whats coming up on the next episode without spoiling too much.

171. Craiger - October 5, 2012

Ok, sorry Paul I should have said some newbies. :)

172. Jack - October 5, 2012

139. Exactly. I agree. And I’m not agreeing because you’re famouser (sic) than me.

I just fnd it kind of crazy. Be frustrated, but this whole “jj owes us the movie seven months befroe it comes out” stuff is insane and makes all fans look like jerks.

And, Craiger — there’s some reason they haven’t given the name of Cumberbatch’s character,or other characters — either they’re meaninngless (some character we’ve never heard of) or they reveal something about the plot (or, if they are known, thhere will be dozens of lousy internet articles giving slightly-off synopses of what we know about the TOS characters) — heck, in space seed they didn’t know “Mr. Khan” was Khan Noonian Singh for nearly half the episode. Or else the secrecy is good for business.

I’ve heard this “but they told us Bane’s (Catwoman’s/The Lizard’s etc) name” argument day in and day out for months — but I don’t recall you mentioning that Nolan didn’t (spoiler) give the real name of Miranda Tate’s character. And wasn’t Snyder coy about Zod for quite a while? those movies have nothing to do with this one. They may have given some info months in advance (often stuff that was discovered in the first seven minutes of the movie), but there was plenty that was kept from audiences until they actually saw the movie.

Even so, comic villains –who’ve had many, many stories over the years and who are much more open to interpretation and new tellings (and often they’ve had many, many variations in their backstories etc. in the comics, so evem knowing Zod is in a movie doesn’t necessarily tell you much about which Zod he is or what might happen) — are, I’d argue, not quite the same as Trek vilains we may have heard of before, especially if they are trying to be slavish to ties to the pre-Narada timeline.

173. Jack - October 5, 2012

139. Exactly. I agree. And I’m not agreeing because you’re famouser (sic) than me.

I just fnd it kind of crazy. Be frustrated, but this whole “jj owes us the movie seven months befroe it comes out” stuff is insane and makes all fans look like jerks.

And, Craiger — there’s some reason they haven’t given the name of Cumberbatch’s character,or other characters — either they’re meaninngless (some character we’ve never heard of) or they reveal something about the plot (or, if they are known, thhere will be dozens of lousy internet articles giving slightly-off synopses of what we know about the TOS characters) — heck, in space seed they didn’t know “Mr. Khan” was Khan Noonian Singh for nearly half the episode. Or else the secrecy is good for business.

I’ve heard this “but they told us Bane’s (Catwoman’s/The Lizard’s etc) name” argument day in and day out for months — but I don’t recall you mentioning that Nolan didn’t (spoiler) give the real name of Miranda Tate’s character. And wasn’t Snyder coy about Zod for quite a while? those movies have nothing to do with this one. They may have given some info months in advance (often stuff that was discovered in the first seven minutes of the movie), but there was plenty that was kept from audiences until they actually saw the movie.

Even so, comic villains –who’ve had many, many stories over the years and who are much more open to interpretation and new tellings (and often they’ve had many, many variations in their backstories etc. in the comics, so evem knowing Zod is in a movie doesn’t necessarily tell you much about which Zod he is or what might happen) — are, I’d argue, not quite the same as Trek vilains we may have heard of before, especially if they are trying to be slavish to ties to the pre-Narada timeline.

174. Montreal_Paul - October 5, 2012

Craiger, I find those “next on…” trailers still give away too much. I miss the days before the internet when you didn’t really hear much about movies. When I went to see TMP, I knew nothing about it before going in. TWOK – well I had heard that rumor that Spock had died and I was so pissed off because all I could think of during the movie was “is this where he’s going to die? How about here? Wait, maybe here.” It ruined the experience for me.

It really sucks that I basically know the plot to Skyfall before I have even seen the movie! I want to go in and get surprised by what I am seeing. What did we know about 09 before it come out? It was a reboot. It was an origin story. They were killing off a canon character. Vulcan was going to blow up. Spock Prime goes back in time. From that – I found it spoiled some good surprises for me.

I feel I don’t have to see The Hobbit now because there is sooooooo much stuff out there. Peter Jackson is the exact opposite of JJ, he put too much stuff out there that I am already bored of the movie before it comes out. Even Dark Knight Returns was kind of ruined for me because I knew what the story was “basically” going to be.

But hey, if people want to know much of the movie before seeing it – you have that right. I won’t argue that point with you, I just don’t get it.

I don’t know, maybe that is just the way I am wired. I don’t read the last page of the book before starting it. That’s my 2 (Canadian) cents anyway.

175. chuck watters - October 5, 2012

What’s the big secret – why isn’t a trailer out yet ????????????

176. Paul - October 5, 2012

This 3-Frame clip was engineered by the Romney/Ryan campaign just for you Craiger.

177. PaulB - October 5, 2012

#159 -”Also, PaulB and Keachick, I find it offensive that you are trying to bring in spousal abuse to your arguments? Can you try to tone it down a bit, please. You are both out of control.”

I didn’t bring spousal abuse into the argument. I COMPLAINED about that being done by someone else–specifically, Calastir in post #76. I mentioned spousal abuse exactly as much as you just did–that is, ONCE to complain that it was being brought into this discussion–so I’m hardly “out of control.”

Try reading with a little more attention to what’s actually being written before you start sniping at people.

178. Clinton - October 5, 2012

Ha. I scrolled past ALL the comments here to get to the input box. I’m just gonna say I loved this whole thing. Funny bit! Thanks JJ and Conan!

179. TrekMadeMeWonder - October 5, 2012

WOW! That looks terrific!
Is Spock in HELL!

That green blooded devil always was supposed to be from there, eh?

180. Craiger - October 5, 2012

I don’t want to know all about the sequel and I want to be surpised. I was debating wanting to see what the new Enteprise and what the new universe looked like when I saw ST 2009 for the first time but the internet had the already. However I don’t think at least knowing who the bad guy is will spoil anything. Are JJ and crew afraid that Trek fans and possibly the general audience are going to say it Khan again and that would hurt sales? If it is Khan and say been their done that. I used to think that way but have changed my mind because they way to look at the new Universe with old TOS villains is how they will be and interact in the new Universe. I doubt say if it is Khan will be exactly like the Khan in TOS and TWOK. Their will be different twists and turns with the new Universe. Like Spock said their lives have changed with the new alternate reality.

181. MJ - October 5, 2012

ALL, SOMEBODY HAS BEEN POSING AS ME AGAIN. :-(

Right here, right now, is the first time I have seen this article today and posted on it. The above posts with “MJ” on them ARE NOT MINE.

182. MJ - October 5, 2012

In terms of the Conan piece, I think it is hilarious and brilliant!

That being said, I also agree with Disco Spock that JJ has generally not made the effort to interact with his fans, which makes him appear aloof.

183. Craiger - October 5, 2012

MJ, in the old days imposted would be banned.

184. MJ - October 5, 2012

“I feel I don’t have to see The Hobbit now because there is sooooooo much stuff out there. Peter Jackson is the exact opposite of JJ, he put too much stuff out there that I am already bored of the movie before it comes out.”

Montreal Paul, you are aware that The Hobbit is from a novel that has been out for 50 like 70 years, aren’t you? :-)) I mean, of course a lot of us sf&f knew the plot decades before Peter Jackson’s trailer, so I’m not sure what your point is? It sound like you actually saw Lord of the Rings and perhaps were generally surprised by the ending? LOL

You crack me up, MP. I needed a good laugh today after seeing my name hijacked by Stunkill or someone again. THANKS MAN !!! ;-)

185. Jack - October 5, 2012

177. I think putting the time and money into keeping as much as possible a secret until we actually see the movie is a huge, huge gift to fans… when someone throws you a terrific surprise party, or gives you an amazing, unexpected, surprise Christmas present, are you pissed off that they disrespected/beat/suckerpunched you? Do you say ‘how dare you keep this awesome secret from me? You might, if you’re ________.

186. MJ - October 5, 2012

@139 “I get some frustration, but I do think it is best for stories to know as little as possible up front. I don’t agree with anyone who says JJ is insulting Star Trek fans when he has dedicated YEARS of his life to making good Star Trek.”

Well said, Bob. Although now and then, it would be cool if JJ actually interacted with fans. I think a big opportunity was missed at ComiCon this past year. You guys could have done a panel and still not given away much on the new movie except a few still shots.

187. PaulB - October 5, 2012

MJ, you’re not the only one getting the fake-post treatment. I know the guy who used to post as DiscoSpock (the one you used to argue with), and the current DS isn’t the same person. I’m still not sure I believe the real Bob Orci posted any of that 9/11 stuff in the other thread, either.

So, maybe it’s time we all stop using this site until Anthony & crew do something about the forums. It’s a miserable place to be when we can’t even honestly snipe at each other as ourselves because others are posing as us.

Boycott the forums until they fix ‘em! Hmm…won’t happen, I know, but SOMETHING needs to be done to save this site.

PS – I agree that JJ doesn’t engage with fans enough, and he didn’t after the 09 film came out, either. He’s happy to play in ‘our’ universe and to empty our wallets, but heavy forbid he interact with us like actual people! So…yeah, he’s too aloof.

188. Montreal_Paul - October 5, 2012

180. Craiger

Well, I doubt it is Khan. But if it isn’t, this whole debate and guessing “is it Khan or Mitchell or someone new” really creates a lot of buzz in the Trek community. Marketing 101 – keep them guessing! And all that stuff means nothing to non-Trek fans. That is my take on it anyway.

189. AJ - October 5, 2012

184:

“Montreal Paul, you are aware that The Hobbit is from a novel that has been out for 50 like 70 years, aren’t you? :-))”

75 years. They released the new trailer on the 75th anniversary.

190. Shannon Nutt - October 5, 2012

While I appreciate JJ’s desire to put as little out there as he can, the fact of the matter is that kind of method for promoting a movie just doesn’t work anymore. It worked in the 70s and (somewhat) in the 80s, but today you practically have to give away the whole damn plot to get asses in the seats. That’s why Avengers, Batman and Spider-man were your three biggest hits of the summer – because there was a TON of info/footage out there. That’s part (granted, it was a disappointment) of the reason why Prometheus FAILED. Too much secrecy can lead to disappointing box office. Unless of course the movie is really BAD…that’s the only legitimate reason to hide it.

191. Montreal_Paul - October 5, 2012

187. PaulB
“PS – I agree that JJ doesn’t engage with fans enough, and he didn’t after the 09 film came out, either. He’s happy to play in ‘our’ universe and to empty our wallets, but heavy forbid he interact with us like actual people! So…yeah, he’s too aloof.”

Just like Nick Meyer did back in ’82

192. MJ - October 5, 2012

@191. I think a better example is Rick Berman. A the height of his version of Trek’s popularity, when TNG was in best seasons and DS9 was just starting its first season, perhaps if Berman had been involved with the fans a lot more then and in the latter 90′s, he wouldn’t have been so arrogant to proceed with the lame Voyager series, and then the truly awful Enterprise series. Fan interaction keeps things fresh.

193. Jake Cannon - October 5, 2012

Y’know, I hate to sound petulant, but… when you leave a couple of pennies as a tip in a restaurant, it’s actually a bit more insulting than not leaving a tip at all. I get J.J.’s all about secrecy, but… sheesh. I mean, I guess it was a joke and all, but… I don’t know. Womp womp.

194. Montreal_Paul - October 5, 2012

189. AJ

Yes, I am well aware of that. I also know that LOTR was a novel too! I read them all in High School. But I was excited about LOTR because I didn’t see any spoilers or footage ahead of time. But with The Hobbit, there is SO many pictures and diaries and footage all over the place. Bored of it already. THAT was what I was trying to put across there.

195. AJ - October 5, 2012

With this as the kickoff to the marketing campaign (Conan mentioned the film’s name and gave the “clip” a standing ovation during his studio audience’s thunderous cheers with JJ on the show), it is important to understand that the flood of information is imminent.

The interplay between Conan and Andy Richter as fanboys was classic: “Classic Spock” vs. “On-Fire Spock.”

196. Montreal_Paul - October 5, 2012

190. Shannon Nutt

Prometheus failed because it had a bad script. I was excited about seeing it and went it with knowing nothing about it, but came out disappointed because it was a very sloppy movie that could have been so much better. The script was poorly written and it had so many holes it in – but the concept and acting was great. bad word of mouth about the movie gave it less than stellar box office.

197. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 5, 2012

“#76 – Calastir – October 5, 2012
Reading through most of these comments is like hearing an abused woman actually defending the husband that keeps beating on her.”

and at post #157 this was MY response – “Personally, I found *CALASTIR’S post offensive and disturbing. It is not unlike the posts of the past where some people accused JJ Abrams of “raping Star Trek”.

*My emphasis

MJ – That was my actual response. I did not mention you at all in this connection. YOU chose to include your own name MJ in brackets, not me. I have no idea why you would do that. Please read my posts PROPERLY before accusing me of something I never did. The same goes for DiscoSpock – post #159.

I was pointing out that some posts remain on this site while others like mine at #128(?) got deleted. Clearly PaulB was as offended by CALASTIR’s post #76 as I was, so mentioned it.

MJ – You have consistently accused JJ Abrams and the Supreme Court of having a condescending attitude towards Star Trek and its fans. It’s been like an almost never ending mantra chanted by you and others ever since I came to this site in June 2010 – two years four months ago. Bob Orci has now refuted your assertions.

The FACTS are – that I (Rose – Keachick) called out Calastirs odious comments while others ignored them and my calling this poster out was part of the post that got deleted. Now do you get it?

An apology by MJ and DiscoSpock would be appreciated. Thank you.

198. MJ - October 5, 2012

Folks, even back the in 1980′s, 9 months or more before a Trek movie, we would get Entertainment tonight “on the set” specials. None of them really gave much away, and they were really cool to see.

Yea, I get it that surprises are good. But a complete blackout of information for the fans is not on bad for the fans, it’s bad business as Shannon above suggests.

They’d better get the marketing rolling soon….I think the Superbowl is too late, if that is what the plans are???

199. Dr. Image - October 5, 2012

The title… BLOWS. I just can’t help saying.
Sorry… it really does,,,

200. Dr. Image - October 5, 2012

The title… BLOWS. I just can’t help saying.
Sorry… it really does,,,

201. MJ - October 5, 2012

Rose, I did not post today until post #181 — those earlier posts are somebody pretending to be me (probably Stunkill again). If you’d bothered to read that post, it would have saved you 10 minutes time of criticizing me. :-)

PS: PaulB says DiscoSpock is not the real deal as well…so he’s probably Stunkill or another troublemaker as well.

202. Montreal_Paul - October 5, 2012

198. MJ

Personally, I really don’t mind the “lack of news or stills or trailers or whatever.

And as I suggested above, Prometheus’ poor box office was lack of a good script. Take a look at the opening day tickets. It dropped off drastically after that. Bad word of mouth because of a lack of good script. THAT is what I worry about for STID – a poor script. Not lack of footage.

203. K-7 - October 5, 2012

Dr. Image, agreed — the title sound like a B horror film.

204. SoonerDave - October 5, 2012

@202 – Very salient observation, Montreal_Paul. Although I will say that this tiny blurb (finally) tends to suggest they have great confidence that the movie is going to be successful.

In that same vein, it wouldn’t surprise me at all to see a completely out-of-the-blue trailer come out with almost no warning now.

205. CoffeeProf - October 5, 2012

LOL….love the trolling by J.J. I’m still laughing from it. It made my day. I’d rather be kept in suspense and wait for the movie instead of it all being given away. Still though, I’ve been here for over 4 years (used to be SChaos1701) and it still amazes the same people who do nothing but complain about JJ, Anthony, et al. I don’t blame Anthony for being AWOL.

206. Ali g - October 5, 2012

Very funny lol…. lighten up some of you please

207. Craiger - October 5, 2012

Paul what about speculating how the bad guy will be in the new Universe? How much different will he be than in TOS? Say if they do one based on one of the TOS episodes we can be speculating how different it will be from the TOS episodes just like how the new Universe is going in the reboot comics.

208. MJ - October 5, 2012

Montral Paul, Prometheus made $400M wordwide ($20 M more than Trek 2009), and they are planning the sequel. Additionally, the studio only thought it would make $300M, so it made $100M more than anticipated. Not sure where you are getting your info from that it did “poor box office,” but that is not only incorrect, but the exact opposite is true — it exceeded box office expectations.

BTW, the Hobbit ends with Bilbo Baggins keeping the Ring of Power…WHOOPS, sorry about that! :-)

209. Montreal_Paul - October 5, 2012

208. MJ

Prometheus didn’t do when out of the gate. North American box office was lower than expected. European box office was better. (or was it the other way around) – regardless, it dropped after opening weekend.

Either way – if we go by what you and Shannon are saying, for agruements sake, then secrecy didn’t cause it to fail. No?

As for your comment regarding LOTR & Hobbit – - I did know the ending, I read the book sin school. I was saying that the visuals were stunning, the acting was great in LOTR. I didn’t “see” the visuals when reading it. I was in awe of the photography and how the characters were presented because I wasn’t inundated with it. But with The Hobbit (even though I know the ending and read the books) I have seen so much footage that I am bored with it already and the movie hasn’t come out.

Know what I mean?

210. CAPTAIN SCARLET - October 5, 2012

I wish Peter Jackson would be in charge of Trek too,that way we would get
7 teasers,13 trailers,21 behind the scenes videos and i wouldn’t have to pay to go see the movie……..
I want to know everything i can about Star Trek Into Darkness before i see it !
I want to know the full story,who the characters are,who dies and how it ends because i don’t want any surprises whatsoever!!!!
Please Peter Jackson come and save my favorite franchise!!!!!!!

211. CAPTAIN SCARLET - October 5, 2012

I wish Peter Jackson would be in charge of Trek too,that way we would get
7 teasers,13 trailers,21 behind the scenes videos and i wouldn’t have to pay to go see the movie……..
I want to know everything i can about Star Trek Into Darkness before i see it !
I want to know the full story,who the characters are,who dies and how it ends because i don’t want any surprises whatsoever!!!!
Please Peter Jackson come and save my favorite franchise!!!!!!!

212. CAPTAIN SCARLET - October 5, 2012

I wish Peter Jackson would be in charge of Trek too,that way we would get
7 teasers,13 trailers,21 behind the scenes videos and i wouldn’t have to pay to go see the movie……..
I want to know everything i can about Star Trek Into Darkness before i see it !
I want to know the full story,who the characters are,who dies and how it ends because i don’t want any surprises whatsoever!!!!
Please Peter Jackson come and save my favorite franchise!!!!!!!

213. CAPTAIN SCARLET - October 5, 2012

I wish Peter Jackson would be in charge of Trek too,that way we would get
7 teasers,13 trailers,21 behind the scenes videos and i wouldn’t have to pay to go see the movie……..
I want to know everything i can about Star Trek Into Darkness before i see it !
I want to know the full story,who the characters are,who dies and how it ends because i don’t want any surprises whatsoever!!!!
Please Peter Jackson come and save my favorite franchise!!!!!!!

214. CAPTAIN SCARLET - October 5, 2012

I wish Peter Jackson would be in charge of Trek too,that way we would get
7 teasers,13 trailers,21 behind the scenes videos and i wouldn’t have to pay to go see the movie……..
I want to know everything i can about Star Trek Into Darkness before i see it !
I want to know the full story,who the characters are,who dies and how it ends because i don’t want any surprises whatsoever!!!!
Please Peter Jackson come and save my favorite franchise!!!!!!!

215. CAPTAIN SCARLET - October 5, 2012

I wish Peter Jackson would be in charge of Trek too,that way we would get
7 teasers,13 trailers,21 behind the scenes videos and i wouldn’t have to pay to go see the movie……..
I want to know everything i can about Star Trek Into Darkness before i see it !
I want to know the full story,who the characters are,who dies and how it ends because i don’t want any surprises whatsoever!!!!
Please Peter Jackson come and save my favorite franchise!!!!!!!

216. CAPTAIN SCARLET - October 5, 2012

I wish Peter Jackson would be in charge of Trek too,that way we would get
7 teasers,13 trailers,21 behind the scenes videos and i wouldn’t have to pay to go see the movie……..
I want to know everything i can about Star Trek Into Darkness before i see it !
I want to know the full story,who the characters are,who dies and how it ends because i don’t want any surprises whatsoever!!!!
Please Peter Jackson come and save my favorite franchise!!!!!!!

217. CAPTAIN SCARLET - October 5, 2012

I wish Peter Jackson would be in charge of Trek too,that way we would get
7 teasers,13 trailers,21 behind the scenes videos and i wouldn’t have to pay to go see the movie……..
I want to know everything i can about Star Trek Into Darkness before i see it !
I want to know the full story,who the characters are,who dies and how it ends because i don’t want any surprises whatsoever!!!!
Please Peter Jackson come and save my favorite franchise!!!!!!!

218. CAPTAIN SCARLET - October 5, 2012

I wish Peter Jackson would be in charge of Trek too,that way we would get
7 teasers,13 trailers,21 behind the scenes videos and i wouldn’t have to pay to go see the movie……..
I want to know everything i can about Star Trek Into Darkness before i see it !
I want to know the full story,who the characters are,who dies and how it ends because i don’t want any surprises whatsoever!!!!
Please Peter Jackson come and save my favorite franchise!!!!!!!

219. MJ - October 5, 2012

Well, if we can agree that Peter Jackson is showing too much of The Hobbit., can we also agree then that JJ’s approach of almost zero information is too far in the other direction?

220. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 5, 2012

#201 – MJ – I have just come back to this thread (after hanging out washing) and I have not seen your post at #181 until now. I was responding to earlier posts by this MJ. While you were writing and posting your post #181 refuting everything this imposter said beforehand, I was writing my refutes to *your* previous posts. My post turned up after yours.

I am getting sick of this sockputting and other bs. Please, whoever is monitoring this site, please do it properly!

221. Craiger - October 5, 2012

People just wait a few seconds to post. I found out their is a posting delay. The server must be acting up. Another reason this site is being neglected by Anthony, the server goes crazy.

222. Montreal_Paul - October 5, 2012

219. MJ

I won’t disagree with that. JJ certainly hasn’t put much out there.. okay, he has only put out 3 frames and a title. But like I said, that doesn’t bother me at all.

223. MJ - October 5, 2012

@219. “I want to know the full story,who the characters are,who dies and how it ends.”

Hey Einstein, it was already available in the ultra-famous novel published 75 years ago. Duh!

Additionally, JJ does not get a free pass for pretty much not sharing any information at all just because you think PJ shares to much.

Finally, we could only wish in our wildest dreams that PJ would work on Star Trek. I love JJ and all, but comparing him to PJ is like comparing Tim Tebow to Aaron Rogers.

224. MC1 Doug - October 5, 2012

I don’t know why anyone would bother showing three frames. yeesh!

225. Montreal_Paul - October 5, 2012

224. MC1 Doug

Because it was a joke. JJ was playing along with how secret he is about the movie and how he doesn’t like letting things out.

226. K-7 - October 5, 2012

Captain Scarlet,

Just because you post the same thing 10 times in a row, it doesn’t mean it is right. It is just wrong 10 times over. LOL

PS: Are you any relation to Captain Ransom?

227. Montreal_Paul - October 5, 2012

MJ… who are Tim Tebow and Aaron Rogers? I have never heard of them. I don’t understand the reference.

228. Dr. Cheis - October 5, 2012

I guess the title is official now if Conan said it in front of him and he didn’t corret him.

229. Roxor - October 5, 2012

I do not want any spoilers for the movie whats the point really, it is just going to spoil the movie when it comes out

The fans I just do not get , just like a pack of wild rabid animals circling the prey and if they don’t get what they want they attack whoever happens to post something not to there liking ( It is Not the end of the world)

I like Star Trek but hey as I state I can wait and not have this movie ruined prior to the release

230. MJ - October 5, 2012

” just like a pack of wild rabid animals circling the prey and if they don’t get what they want they attack whoever happens to post something not to there liking”

My goodness, what is with you people who seem to so totally despise those of us who just want a small bit of information:

“pack of wild rabid animals”

“circling the prey”

“they attack”

So we are werewolves I guess? LOL Come on man! I thin you are the one who needs to relax here…or get out more…of have a beer and wind down.

PS: Dude, you really should learn to restrain your use of verbs in your posts on this site. :-))

231. Red Dead Ryan - October 5, 2012

What I’d like to know is, if there is going to be a “making-of” book this time? I’d like to see one released around the same time as the movie.

“The Art and Making of the Dark Knight Trilogy” was an awesome book. I’d like to see something done like that for the Trek sequel.

232. Tom - October 5, 2012

@5… Man, If you’re offended, then you are the Star Trek fan that people parody.

233. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 5, 2012

I would like to see a collaboration between Peter Jackson and JJ Abrams in making a Star Trek movie. This is not because Peter Jackson loves giving people trailers of his up and coming movies to watch, but because he’s a pretty good director, who is able to take on big projects and (so far) do them justice.

The odd thing is – I have only seen one Hobbit trailer. I guess this is because I don’t go on the Hobbit websites, watch Hobbit trailers on youtube etc. I have, however, watched news broadcasts of some of the cast doing stuff for a local charity, something about the party in Wellington when all the filming was finally done for both movies – things like that.

I mean, if people are sick of seeing Hobbit trailers, why go where you can see them? Then again, if you are a big Hobbit/LOTR fan, I suppose resistance becomes futile.

In light of this, I think that JJ Abrams is doing us one hell of a big favour!

234. Craiger - October 5, 2012

Again how is knowing who the bad guy is a spoiler? We can still speculate how the story is going to go with know who the bad guy is. That will continue to stir buzz for the sequel. We still wont know how the story ends with knowing who the bad guy is since the new TOS timeline will be different from the old TOS timeline.

235. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 5, 2012

I thought I saw only one frame. Bob/JJ – I want my other two frames – YESTERDAY!…:)

236. MJ IS A JACKASS - October 5, 2012

I just would like to say that MJ is a jackass
Thank you.

237. Craiger - October 5, 2012

Oh man how this site has fallen from grace. :(

238. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 5, 2012

One idea I have about a suited up Spock apparently in a volcano is that, with the more advanced technology, he, as a scientist, is simply able to study a particular type of volcano up close, one that may have some differences to the ones normally found on earth.

Anyway, I would like to think that, apart from battling “a mean dude” (Chris Pine) Cumberbatch villain, we may also get to see some genuine alien planetary exploration…Bob – please?

239. milojthatch - October 5, 2012

#17 – The highest form of respect would have been if JJ and crew never made that 2009 crap! If anything, he’s been saying “screw you Trekkers” since day one!

240. Jose - October 5, 2012

What? No lens flares?

This is gonna bomb!

241. Adolescent Nightmare - October 5, 2012

Of course the title is confirmed. Anthony’s sources have not been wrong about one single solitary thing.

242. MJ - October 5, 2012

@236. I’ve been called worse! LOL

243. Guest - October 5, 2012

This must be a punishment for:

A.) People who spoil movies on the Internet.

B.) Karl Urban’s unintentional spoiling of the villain a while back. I’d say it’s highly likely that Alice Eve is playing Dr. Dehner, due to her absence from Star Trek Ongoing #1-2 and that Benedict Cucumberpatch is playing Gary Mitchell. Bob Orci probably denied it was Mitchell just because of Urban’s slip-up. They originally wanted Benicio del Toro for the role, and he bares a very slight resemblance to the original actor (Dark complexion.). That Gatt guy (Joseph?) might be playing Khan or a klingon.

244. Calastir - October 5, 2012

Rose and PaulB are easily offended and should get a room. Just saying.

245. MJ - October 5, 2012

“Of course the title is confirmed. Anthony’s sources have not been wrong about one single solitary thing.”

Good point ! And this certainly would seem to support that Khan is in fact the villain. Why would his “multiple sources” all, in a coordinated fashion, lie about that, but then tell the truth all of sudden about the title.

Yea, this is further proof that it is Khan, folks. Just as I first deduced nearly a year ago — months before Anthony’s article.

246. MJ - October 5, 2012

@235 “I mean, if people are sick of seeing Hobbit trailers, why go where you can see them? ”

Yea, exactly, You have to go to the web sites (TORN.net) to see them, or to PJ’s facebook page or Itunes trailers. Why doesn’t Montreal Paul and others simply stop searching them out and clicking play if it bothers them so much? Great question, Rose. I really can’t fathom an answer to it?

247. MJ - October 5, 2012

@245. Actually Urban’s antics that week were so intentionally comedic, that I took it to mean that conclusively Gary Mitchell is NOT the character BC is playing. By exception, that all just confirmed further for me that it is Khan.

248. Red Dead Ryan - October 5, 2012

#246.

Agreed! There’s a lot of spoilers on the Hobbit website, but I have deliberately chosen not to go there. I have seen only a couple of trailers, and that is good for me. But I have no problem with what Peter Jackson does to generate interest.

If you’re against spoilers, you can avoid the article, as long as the website owners put up a disclaimer beforehand so that everyone is aware of spoilers before clicking on an article.

Montreal_Paul exhibited no common sense when he kept going to the Hobbit website and subsequently complained about having the movie spoiled for him. He made the decision.

This whole “I can try to avoid the spoilers but they will still find me” attitude is nonsense. It all comes down to self-control, and self-discipline.

249. Gary S. - October 5, 2012

#241 Unless part of this was to “confirm “the title so that if it was something else entirely , it would be a complete surprise .
Small possibility ,
But, we still have not seen this title in a trailer .

250. TrekMadeMeWonderIntoDarkness - October 5, 2012

Perhaps Cucumberpatch is playing the Devil. or Death.

251. Phil - October 5, 2012

I read The Hobbit. The ultimate spoiler….

252. Craiger - October 5, 2012

Maybe JJ sent Urban out their to say it was Mitchel in order to throw people off that its another bad guy like possibly Khan.

Or another idea what if Khan infultrates Starfleet and calls himself Gary Mitchell?

253. Craiger - October 5, 2012

RDR or get rid of the Internet. LOL.

254. MJ - October 5, 2012

“I read The Hobbit. The ultimate spoiler….”

LOL Exactly!!! Spoiler Altert — Bilbo Baggins keeps the Ring of Power at the end…WHOOPS, I just ruined the whole move. LOL

255. Captain Otter - October 5, 2012

The Horta will be in this film. I can feel it in my soul.

256. Montreal_Paul - October 5, 2012

Once again Ryan chose not to really read my comment and just skimmed through it. But then again, we should be getting used to that by now. Because what Ryan says, must be true!

Let me spell it out for you – I never once said I was going to The Hobbit website over and over again. I actually have never been to the website Not quite sure where you got that from. All I said is that there is so much information, pictures, footage all over. I actually go to other Sci-Fi sites other than here. There is always something about the Hobbit.

Gee, MJ, though you actually were really reading my comments now. But I don’t blame you because Ryan likes to spew anything and people seem to take his word as gold – even when he constantly misquotes me.

Sorry Ryan, but read before you comment buddy boy.

And MJ… I already posted, TWICE, that I have read the books in school. I know the ending. Sheesh!

257. Vultan - October 5, 2012

#255

Nah, they’re saving it for the third movie.
“Horta Hears a Who”

258. Guest - October 5, 2012

Has anyone ever noticed how overly sensitive and PC Red Dead Ryan gets when people use the word “Nazi?”

259. porthoses bitch - October 5, 2012

I think and I have no clue really…that the volcano scene is spocks intro in the film… a gathering off the crew ( the big 3 anyway)…I doubt very much it will open with a Enterprise fly-by and a log entry.

It was a funny bit.Andy almost reminded me of “get a life” all those years ago.

By the way for those fans of Galaxy Quest (sequel please )…Check out Iron Sky (very black dramedy on video now)

260. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 5, 2012

#244 – Yet another, albeit minor, insulting comment from Calastir. The tragedy is that you, Calastir, just seem to have no idea how odious your comparison was. That is even more disturbing.

The fact that some of us here are not so concerned by the lack of trailers and/or other information about the movie been made public does not mean that we are accepting of some kind of abuse from JJ Abrams and the Supreme Court that could be likened to spousal abuse. There has been no abuse, nor has anyone from the Bad Robot team been condescending.

The only “condescension” I see is what is written on this site by non Supreme Court members.

261. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 5, 2012

Where was the word “Nazi” used?

262. Guest - October 5, 2012

@Rose (Keychain)

In at least two other threads. In this thread, someone above made a comment about Zachary Quinto “going into the fire” once again, Red Dead Ryan had to whine about it.

263. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 5, 2012

Oh, OK.

Who is Keychain?

A kea is a bird. Chick is a baby bird but a young (at heart) female can be called a chick or bird. A play on words…

http://www.nhc.net.nz/index/birds-new-zealand/kea/kea.htm

Our own NZ documentary film makers have just put out a DVD about the life of the NZ kea. These birds have gained for themselves something of a reputation as being highly intelligent, sociable, resourceful, given to vandalism, thievery and even kidnapping and murder on occasions, so I have been recently informed. However, I believe the latter behaviours are not the dominating behaviours of these birds.

264. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 5, 2012

And on another topic – I have just seen some pictures of Chris Pine, some of them Jack Ryan movie filming outtakes and others taken of him in a Moscow nightclub, when he was there briefly filming the Jack Ryan film.

God, I keep forgetting what a really nice looking guy he is, because he really is, at least to me!

Apparently, many of the young women in the nightclub seemed to recognize him and swooned over him. I’m not sure if they recognized him as “captain of a large cruise ship” and then asked him where his “small friend” was or if they recognized him as being the captain of a large starship…or both!

Now, who can tell me who his “small friend” is?

265. Gary S. - October 5, 2012

Ok,I will ask
what does the term”ntoTheFire” have to do with Nazis?

266. Captain Karl - October 5, 2012

Ahhh yes, Into Darkness…only 3 frames of the movie have light and the rest is dark…now the title makes sense!

267. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 5, 2012

#265 – I just accepted the explanation but I have to admit that I did not really understand it.

So, no one knows who the “small friend” is…so sad. Surely, somebody must?

268. AJ - October 5, 2012

267:

Perhaps it was the Captain’s Log?

269. Red Dead Ryan - October 5, 2012

Montreal_Paul,

I misread your post. I stand corrected.

Guest,

I don’t know, seeing as how the Nazis were the scum of the Earth, I don’t really understand how anyone could use the term to describe non-Nazis. But that might just be me. And it has nothing to do with this thread.

As for “into the fire” comment, it was a kind of a pun, as the clip showed an explosion behind Spock, who may be inside a volcano. re. Post #90.

And no, I wasn’t whining about anything.

270. Guest - October 5, 2012

You can probably use google to find Red Dead Ryan’s other overly-sensative PC whining at other people using the word “Nazi.” And those posters weren’t calling others nazis; they were just making jokes about “continuity nazis.”

90. Red Dead Ryan – October 5, 2012
Hey, at least its SOMETHING!

At least we now know that at least one of the Enterprise crew gets “thrown into the fire” in the sequel!

:-)

#76.

That wasn’t funny. Nor appropriate.

271. Red Dead Ryan - October 5, 2012

#270.

Hey, jerk, I didn’t mention “Nazis” on this site, you did, because you have some sort of agenda against me.

And yeah, I was responding to the unfunny comment by Calastir.

Oh, yeah, maybe you ought to change your name to “Pest”, that’s what you’re being.

Oh, wait, you know what? I think Guest=Calastir. He deliberately planted that statement to bait somebody.

I suggest we ignore this “Guest/Calastir”. Most likely another sock performance by Stunkill, who most likely posed as MJ earlier on this thread.

272. Red Dead Ryan - October 5, 2012

#271

I meant: “….I didn’t mention “Nazis” on this thread before you did…”

273. CmdrR - October 5, 2012

Somewhere in there, it looks like there’s a really good 2-frame movie trying to get out.

274. Pest - October 5, 2012

Red Dead Ryan, are you too politically correct to take a joke?

275. gingerly - October 5, 2012

Great clip! So long and informative!

276. K-7 - October 5, 2012

Interesting ratings news — Orci’s Hawaii Five-O still getting dismal ratings the 2nd week of Season 3:

“Last week’s Season 3 premiere brought in only 8 million viewers to “Castle’s” 10.45 million and “Revolution’s” 9.45 million. “Revolution” ruled with a 3.4 rating in the 18-49 demo followed by “Castle” with a 2.1 rating and “Five-O” with a measly 1.8. This past week, preliminary figures showed that “Castle” still had the most viewers (10.3 million) followed by “Revolution” (8.4 million) and “Five-O” (7.7 million). In the 18-49, “Revolution” was king with a 3.2 rating, followed by the other two shows tied for a 1.9. Last week, even though the Live +3 ratings — those who tape a show and watch it within three days — boosted “Five-O’s” 18-49 rating by 44% (to about 2.6), “Castle’s” improved by 38% (to 2.9) and “Revolution” jumped 53% (to a 5.2 rating). Meaning even with the 18-49 demo, “Five-O” is in third place.”

Bob, do you guys have a plan to try to turn Hawaii Five-O around?

277. K-7 - October 5, 2012

@274 “Red Dead Ryan, are you too politically correct to take a joke?”

I don’t find the comments about Read Dead Ryan and Nazi’s very funny either. Where is the joke? Sounds to me like a character assasination, and then trying to backtrack by suggesting Ryan can’t take a joke.

What’s next, are you going to call me a Stalinst?

278. BeyondtheTech - October 5, 2012

If Peter Jackson was directing this at 48fps, he might have been able to show us six frames of the movie.

279. TrekMadeMeWonder - October 5, 2012

It occured to me that this seems to be a real test for Spock.

I remember a recent interview with Zac and he said that with this one he would be more challenged by this role. Ahhh. Here it is.

http://trekmovie.com/2012/09/07/chris-pine-says-star-trek-sequel-foe-is-more-frightening-quinto-says-movie-is-bigger-and-bolder/

I think Spock’o is gonna still try and save Vulcan.

Volcanos anyone?

280. gingerly - October 5, 2012

@279

Vulcan is gone, sir!

281. Sebastian S. - October 5, 2012

Volcanoes.

They let that spoiler slip a while back when we saw Spock being lowered into a volcano (and the actor in a protective thermal suit, shot against a greenscreen). Nice three frames, but hardly a major spoiler. At least it’s something.

Thanks all the same… ;-)

282. Belkin - October 6, 2012

BTW, unless you spell it differently in the States, your headline should be “Sneak PEEK”. A ‘peak’ is the top of a mountain.

283. Aurore - October 6, 2012

“I know the guy who used to post as DiscoSpock … and the current DS isn’t the same person.”
_______

I concur.

I remember reading his reasons for deserting the site.

Then, he “came back”, and, from my perspective at least, seemed to be an all-new person, so to speak….

284. Finngodo - October 6, 2012

Doubt we’ll get a teaser before thanksgiving. Studios are marketing big movies lol this later, especially when there is built in hype. Why? Industry studies show the marketing dollars do better in a shorter timeframe than stretched out. Blame it on our millennial attention spans.

Trek 2009 needed more marketing to convince new people to see the film and re establish trek brand. That’s not needed this time around.

Nov/dec teaser, feb/march trailer. Bet you on it!

285. Nano - October 6, 2012

Can we get that looped? Is that even the proper terminology?

286. MJ - October 6, 2012

@283 “Then, he “came back”, and, from my perspective at least, seemed to be an all-new person, so to speak….”

Agreed — his tone seemed to be different.

287. Optimistic Doodle - October 6, 2012

Now watching these 3 ‘flames’, I guess ‘STAR TREK FIRE’ could’ve easily been a candidate-title.

(‘Fire’ being maybe ‘the burning spirit of Starfleet’.)

Interesting too that JJ literally brings light into darkness.
As a vague reference to the classic ‘Mission: Impossible’ intro with a match creating fire to start something up, put things in rapid motion – in this case, starting up the (pre-)marketing efforts, continuing the talk on the net…

I like it!

288. Dom - October 6, 2012

It was a bit of fun! Abrams is an old-school showman!

289. Michael Hall - October 6, 2012

“I get some frustration, but I do think it is best for stories to know as little as possible up front. I don’t agree with anyone who says JJ is insulting Star Trek fans when he has dedicated YEARS of his life to making good Star Trek.”

Which YEARS of his life would those be?

290. Lt. Dakin - October 6, 2012

OMG. Is the still frame 1, 2 or 3 ?!?!

291. naseweis - October 6, 2012

Why does a Vulcan need a suit in a volcano? ;-) Just kidding.

292. BulletInTheFace - October 6, 2012

What the smeggin’ hell is WRONG with you people? I don’t think any other franchise has as many whiny, self-righteous, socially inept loudmouths in its fan base as Star Trek does. Reading the comments on this board makes me embarrassed to be a Trek fan. “JJ raped my childhood!” “I’m outraged!” “I’m insulted!” “I’m furious!” “I refuse to watch this film!” “I hate them for not revealing the villain!” “I hate them for not revealing the title!” “I hate them for not showing a trailer!” “I hate them for showing three frames!” “I hate them for not giving away the story now, because I’m so disconnected from reality that I think the film’s marketing team should follow my schedule, not theirs!” Honestly, people, given how some of you comport yourselves, is it any wonder the Abrams team is doing things their own way and not worrying about whether or not you’re happy about it? It’s because they know you’ll never be happy, no matter what they do.

293. Aurore - October 6, 2012

“….his tone seemed to be different.”
___________

My point. Exactly.

To me, it seemed to be somebody else’s tone. Literally.

I had a hard time believing that he was the same man who had explained why he would not visit this very site anymore, some time earlier.

294. BitterTrekkie - October 6, 2012

JJ and his team insult Trek fans with their lip service.
It’s condescending.

295. Aurore - October 6, 2012

“Honestly, people, given how some of you comport yourselves, is it any wonder the Abrams team is doing things their own way and not worrying about whether or not you’re happy about it? It’s because they know you’ll never be happy, no matter what they do.”
__________

True that.

But, to be fair, are they even trying to please….me?
They should at least TRY !!!

NB: Mr. Abrams is still a loser. Roberto Orci Jr. is a hack writer.

:)

296. Ryan - October 6, 2012

The entitlement from some of you guys is amazing. :(

297. Spuhura Addict - October 6, 2012

Well said #292 Bulletin

I wish the fan base would just calm down, stop slinging mud at each other and simply wait. Let JJ and his team do their thing. At least they are doing something. A simple 3 frame clip has been dissected, chewed up and split back out. Really? It was a joke people. I am sure the Supreme Court is getting a good laugh right now at our collective responses. I am embarrassed at some of the mud slinging comments that were posted. I was a joke people.

298. Spuhura Addict - October 6, 2012

It was a joke.

299. Aurore - October 6, 2012

“The entitlement from some of you guys is amazing. :(”
______

:))

Ryan?

If you were referring to my post (amongst others), I was joking, my fellow Star Trek fan!

300. Michael Hall - October 6, 2012

@ 292–

Burn your own strawmen, much? Well,everyone needs a hobby (or hobbyhorse).

301. The Original Spock's Brain - October 6, 2012

300!

302. The Original Spock's Brain - October 6, 2012

Darn! Not 300. So close. Epic fail. I love the clip. ;)

303. BulletInTheFace - October 6, 2012

#300: That was a complete non-statement. Next time, try actually replying.

304. The Original Spock's Brain - October 6, 2012

@ 292 LOL

305. William Kirk - October 6, 2012

I´m not a fan of JJ Abrams Star Trek approach. But…this… WAS… funny.

306. Edd - October 6, 2012

Jeeze… there are people who *really* need to have patience.

The movie isn’t coming out till next Summer. We’ll get plenty of material before then.

No need to get so pissy and basically stomp around shouting “I WANTED IT YESTERDAY!!!!”.

;)

307. LizardGirl - October 6, 2012

@292
Haha…smeg…Red Dwarf right? Saw some of those.

308. NX01 - October 6, 2012

I am ok with it, after seeing the conan clip it is pretty funny the way he revealed the frames. I would have been mad if it were not an actual frames from the movie. But thanks to trek movie we can clearly see it is spock and it’s a real frame from the movie.
I am 33 so I remember secrecy when the new movie came out dating back to star trek 4.

309. TC65 - October 6, 2012

Sometimes I think the worst mistake JJ made when “rebooting” Star Trek, was using the TOS crew. Perhaps it would have been a good idea to use a new ship, new crew, and a new story-line, in the original universe?

I’d rather see a NEW version of Trek, with new strange new worlds and civilizations in an old universe than a rehashed old crew rebooted in a new universe which allows retelling stories which have already been done and are canon.

Why even bother with it if you can “rewrite” history to your liking just to make a couple of bucks; but that’s either about money or being true to the art?

Personally, and professionally, I’d rather have something which is familiar rather than something with two “branches” of the same tree with one branch bearing apples and another bearing oranges. What kind of tree is this odd hybrid? An Aplorange or an Orapple?

Sounds like too much “Cognitive Dissonance,” to me…

The adventure continues…

I still hate the design of the new ship. I’ve seen that ship for almost 50 years and never once have I disliked the TOS or TMP versions of the Big E, but the new ship, there’s something about it which I don’t like. It reminds of an Andorian if they had bouncy balls on the ends of their antennae; it just doesn’t look right.

Sorry JJ, I can’t compromise on this…

310. somethoughts - October 6, 2012

Wake me up when trailer is out.

None of my casual trek friends knows a star trek is due out next year.

311. Michael Hall - October 6, 2012

#303–

Don’t know what a strawman is? Sorry, but if you don’t, look it up; I’m not here to instruct you. If you do, then the statement should make perfect sense, whether you agree with its premise or not, and if you don’t–if you think I was being unfair–try being so kind as to say why.

312. MJ - October 6, 2012

Liked you are shocked, Michael, to learn that someone calling themselves, “Bulletintheface” doesn’t know what a strawman argument is. LOL

PS: Congrats on another season of Dexter!

313. MJ - October 6, 2012

@311 “Sometimes I think the worst mistake JJ made when “rebooting” Star Trek, was using the TOS crew.”

Equally bad mistakes in the reboot were:

– Having the ship be called the Enterprise
– Having the events take place in the 23rd Century
– Having the govenment be termed, the Federation
– Calling the collection of ships, Starfleet
– Having security officers in red uniforms
– Having Warp Drive power the starships

314. MJ - October 6, 2012

@310 “I am 33 so I remember secrecy when the new movie came out dating back to star trek 4.”

I am 15 years older than you, have attended each movie on opening day, and have followed all media building up to each movie, and I can categorically state that the level of secrecy and lack of virtually information on this Trek film is completely UNPRECIDENTED in Star Trek hisory.

315. get backer - October 6, 2012

@309

You are not the target audience for Star Trek.

I know many of you expected Star Trek to follow you all the way to the grave, letting its fanbase grow smaller and smaller all the way.

But that was never in the cards.

316. pilotfred - October 6, 2012

they gone and spiled the movie for me
3 full frames maybe if it was only 2 lol

317. pilotfred - October 6, 2012

so in the plot somewhere spock lights his farts,maybe that how the kill khan?lol

318. dmduncan - October 6, 2012

That clip had the unmistakable feeling of revenge. That’s what you get when you mess with The Orci.

It’s like that scene from The Walking Dead where Shane is trapped on the bus by a horde of zombies and he wipes a little blood on the door frame. And then he opens the door a little and a zombie is desperately stretching his tongue out as far as he can to lick the blood and then Shane jabs the zombie in the eye with a knife.

319. Vultan - October 6, 2012

#309

I see where you’re coming from, but that’s the culture these days. It’s reboot crazy, playing it safe in order to make as much money as possible. TOS has brand recognition, meaning Ka-CHING $$$ (and I don’t mean the Klingon stockbroker).

Maybe a new ship and crew will happen whenever a new series happens.
Maybe then they can finally, truly free themselves of the old canon.
Maybe.

320. m.j. - October 6, 2012

JJ can go blow himself, I am done with the series while he has the reigns. Total dis respect of the fan base who has kept Trek alive 40 years

321. LizardGirl - October 6, 2012

@515
Hey! I know that anime/manga too! Get Backers! Good point though. Question is, how should Star Trek be marketed to appeal to a younger crowd without completely cutting off old school? Because there are so many opinions on what equals real or good trek, it’s a tricky thing to figure out.

322. LizardGirl - October 6, 2012

GetBackers, no space. Apologies.

323. Jack - October 6, 2012

314. MJ, maybe. “I can categorically state that the level of secrecy and lack of virtually information on this Trek film is completely UNPRECIDENTED in Star Trek hisory.”

Maybe it is, but I don’t think so. I’m 42, and, yeah, there were those lame bits on Entertainment Tonight about the filming that we saw once and which showed nothing (I just remember everybody from the head up saying “this is the best movie we’ve done yet!” for all of them, and maybe a quick, unrevealing 2-second shot of them standing around the bridge set waiting to film)… at most those would be captured on video tape, and geeks like me would watch them over and over again… these are different times — anything released makes world news. I still think that, aside from maybe a small blurb in Coming Soon magazine (and even that would probably come a bit closer to the release) , we’d have seen nothing for any of those 80s movies at this point, 7 months before the release.

It would be interesting to see what was available when for all of those. Is there somewhere that shows when trailers were released?

I wonder if there’s actually much difference between marketing the same movie to an older generation vs. to a younger generation, short of casting Justin Bieber and Tayler Lautner (I know, my references are very three-years-ago…. I’m old). Making a movie designed to cater to a presumed demographic I can see (and we therefore get boobies, or a wise-cracking sidekick, or jive-talking robots) — but marketing? Would you have sold trek 09 differently to an 18-35 group differently than you would 30-45, and beyond. Yeah, maybe some merchandise (toys and comics) and choosing to attach promotions to presumably “younger” products, or air commercials during “younger” shows? I don’t know. Doesn’t sci-fi and fantasy really appeal to a broader age group — most guys who are into it, I’d argue (I’m not a girl so I can’t speak for girls) loved the stuff when they were kids and, usually, stick with the genre for good. I don’t think age groups are as different from each other in interests as we think they are when we’re young…

324. Khan was Framed! - October 6, 2012

Just get me a freakin’ teaser already!!!!!

325. MJ - October 6, 2012

@323 “Maybe it is, but I don’t think so. I’m 42, and, yeah, there were those lame bits on Entertainment Tonight about the filming that we saw once and which showed nothing (I just remember everybody from the head up saying “this is the best movie we’ve done yet!” for all of them, and maybe a quick, unrevealing 2-second shot of them standing around the bridge set waiting to film)… at most those would be captured on video tape, and geeks like me would watch them over and over again… these are different times — anything released makes world news.”

Exactly…it was SOMETHING though! We have NOTHING here. This COMPLETE INFORMATION BLACKOUT is unprecedented. As minimal as the info was in the old days, nevertheless, they threw out a few bones for the fans at least.

326. MJ - October 6, 2012

All, post 322, “m.j.”, is NOT me.

327. DS9 Forever - October 6, 2012

I’m reminded of the secrecy of the second X-Files movie… that was kept secret because it was awful.

328. m.j. - October 6, 2012

326 I purposely posted my initals lower case and with . . to prove we not the same person.
My first and last initals are also m.j.

329. m.j. - October 6, 2012

I not change my post 322, I feel what me write. Me am my own perzon.
no one else

330. m.j. - October 6, 2012

Ds9 forever, maybe you on to somethng. perhaps there will be end credits scene where kirk and spock are on a raft floating on acid river and will look up at camera and wave at camera mounted shuttle craft.
this how Xfile 2end did it not?

331. AJ - October 6, 2012

Heck, back in the old pre-internet pre-TNG days, the biggest pre-release reveals were in Starlog. The Entertainment Tonight spots were just hype.

332. m.j. - October 6, 2012

Mr post 98, show me the money and me do better, much better.
Me always hate people who like thinky that just cause we dont have opprotunity or money to tell stories, that we know have ability to do just as well if not better.

one great thingz about youtube generation is we now see people from allwalks of life who can begin toshow caze talents to world, JJ relic who film not stand test of time. he wil be like dinosuarz onedayfroxen en amber and tar and ice then thawed out in yearz 1000

333. Michael Hall - October 6, 2012

“Liked you are shocked, Michael, to learn that someone calling themselves, “Bulletintheface” doesn’t know what a strawman argument is. LOL

PS: Congrats on another season of Dexter!”

LOL. Wasn’t sure if this was the “real” MJ, until that last. :-)

334. m.j. - October 6, 2012

Mr Michael Hall, I purposely put me name in little case letters, and with pereods so that i not get confused with mr MJ

but its not fair you call he “REAL” MJ, and i am not “REAL” I am a person am I not? I bleed, I cry, I have passen. I also real.

335. W.C. - October 6, 2012

Never has so much been said by so many about so little.

336. BulletInTheFace - October 6, 2012

#311: Of course I know what a strawman argument is. That’s obviously not what I was saying. :::head shake::: Christ.

337. dmduncan - October 6, 2012

I think it’s hilarious. Or, to put my sentiment to music…if you substitute the words “the clip” for “a bitch” in this here song…that’s pretty much how I feel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmy113gMds0

338. dmduncan - October 6, 2012

I think Star Trek…Star Trek ain’t supposed to BE your problem. It’s supposed to help you get outside your problem for a little while.

339. Sean - October 6, 2012

The bad guy in the movie is…
Impervious to the Vulcan Neck pinch
As strong, if not stronger than Spock
Roughly the same age as Spock
Roughly the same physical characteristics as Spock
Not at of the usual suspects
Sybock.

340. Jack - October 6, 2012

Come on MJ, we have three frames of a bone! And we have noncommital comments friom the stars in most interviews they do — that’s not something we got a lot in the 80s … except for TJ Hooker, and the occasional spot on Password, there weren’t a lot of other projects, sadly, for most in that cast.

335. W.C. – October 6, 2012
Never has so much been said by so many about so little.

I’m probably the biggest offender, and you’re right.

341. Khan is not the easy route - October 6, 2012

To those who are getting so damn worked up about the secrecy:

You are what make Star Trek fans look bad.

It’s not your movie. They don’t have to make it. JJ Abrams can be as secretive as he wants to be. Just because you’ve been a lifelong fan doesn’t mean you’re entitled to find out any information about the movie. You are not special because you are a Trekkie.

342. MJ - October 6, 2012

@341. You are the one making Star Trek look bad — complaining for the only reason that you don’t like the opinions of some other Trek fans, and then throwing in your condescending remarks as well that those fans as well.

And yes, we are the customers of the movie responsible for whether it is commercially viable or not, so they are making the movie for us. Including the Blu-Ray, multiple showings at the theater, including my kids, companion books, I have spent over $300 I would estimate on Trek 2009 in total. I am one of it’s best customers…so you damn right they are making the movie for me — we have an economic relationship that is based on them putting out a product I like.

343. MJ - October 6, 2012

in the post above, I meant @343 — responding to the Khan etc. newbie, who I can only hope is not Stunkill again.

344. Jack - October 6, 2012

Is some of the anger here because folks actually thought this was a clip — which the headline (JJ Abrams Reveals Sneak Peak of Star Trek Into Darkness) said. Just curious.

345. Khan is not the easy route - October 6, 2012

@342/343

I am the one making Star Trek look bad? That’s a stretch. Think about it…it’s childish to feel entitled for information when you’re not entitled to it. Just because you spent over $300 on Trek 2009 in total doesn’t put you in a position to know what’s going on with this movie. Oh by the way, you may think you are one of their best customers, but you’re not. You only spent $300 on Trek 2009 when it made hundreds of millions.

I assume you didn’t really read the post, beyond the second sentence, so I’ll reiterate: It’s not your movie. You don’t have ownership of the film simply because you are a consumer of Paramount / Bad Robot’s product. As such, you have no standing to find out any thing more about this film until JJ Abrams wants you to. And if you feel salty about that, or you feel like you’re being jerked around, that makes you a bad fan.

346. MJ - October 6, 2012

Hey newbie, yes, it is our movie. You need to take “Marketing 101″. Paramount Studios is providing a product (or service, depending on how you want to define seeing a movie at a theater) — the movie — and the people that pay to see it are the customers who purchase the product/service. Poor product/services means fewer customers, which means less or negative profits, and can lead to the discontinuation of the product/service.

I agree that you can argue that I, as a single person, don’t have much consumer power by myself impact anything, given the millions who saw the Trek 2009 movie, but that is as intellectually bankrupt as telling me I shouldn’t vote in the U.S. Election next month because my vote doesn’t count. It does count, dude, as do the opinions of many people who will have similar opinions on Trek — collectively, we will decide next May/June whether this current movie series proceeds to a 3rd movie or not. Collectively, we actually hold all the cards in determining this — not JJ nor Paramount. This is a FACT !

So JJ and Paramount would do better than to not wait too much longer to start providing us some bits on info on the movie. Here’s another Marketing 101 term for you: “Good Will: a good relationship, as of a business with its customers.” Right now, the Good Will from Paramount’s customers from Trek 2009 (i.e. us fans) is in danger of being used up due this unprecidented information black hole that we have never seen on a Trek movie before. What this means is that if Paramount doesn’t start releasing at least some token bits of info for the fans soon, some fans are going to have their good will used up — and we’re seeing that over the last couple of months as such fans post their opinions here in accordance with this feeling.

347. Commodore Redshirt - October 6, 2012

best talk show clip EVER!

348. Khan is not the easy route - October 6, 2012

Your vote counts, but that doesn’t give you a seat on the couch of the Oval Office.

349. Red Shirt Diaries - October 6, 2012

I can see why “Khan is not the easy route” fully supports JJ and the studio — he has the same aloof attitude that they have towards many of us fans.

350. MJ - October 6, 2012

“That’s all you got? What you got isn’t good enough.”

;-)

351. Khan is not the easy route - October 6, 2012

@346 Also, you’re making a ridiculous production out of this. I’m sorry your so upset about their “marketing plan.” It’s laughable that you’re clinging to Marketing 101 basics like I don’t know a thing or two about marketing.

I’ve said it twice now, and you haven’t refuted this: This is not your movie. I like how you keep saying, “But it’s OUR movie.” No, it’s JJ Abrams and Paramounts movie. They can promote it however they like. But guess what? There will be teaser trailers, there will be full length trailers. The movie will be released. And you’ll still see it. So you might as well relax a bit and stop getting so damn worked up about nothing.

It’s Star Trek, dude.

352. MJ - October 7, 2012

I completely refuted you in my post @346. The fact that you want to gloss over that by acting clever, with “winks and chuckles” that infer I am wrong, doesn’t provide any viable basis for supporting your views. Your views would need to be sustained by your own reasoning and evidence, but you basically provide none and infer a “trust me, I know how things work” series of platitudes that would probably work with a lot of people here, but not me. Moreover, not only don’t you understand Marketing, but you’ve illustrated here that you don’t even have a basic understanding of consumer economics.

I expect you will respond with more platitudes and pretend amusement. Go for it, if that helps you to convince yourself of your own thoughts.

353. MJ - October 7, 2012

I’ll give you this though. I will see the movie regardless. However, I may not see if mutlple times this time around or buy the books if I think JJ and company are being a-holes to the fans.

354. Red Shirt Diaries - October 7, 2012

Khan guy, you do realize that “word of mouth” is the single most important factor in determining the success of the movie, don’t you?

355. ChuckingDice - October 7, 2012

I thought it was funny. Come on, lighten up!

356. Khan is not the easy route - October 7, 2012

@354

Word of mouth is such a small segment of marketing when it comes to major blockbuster movies. Star Trek Into Darkness isn’t some movie know one will know about when it’s released.

357. trekboi - October 7, 2012

Yeah, not funny & posting it on here pretending to be an actual spoiler was not funny either, the article should be called
“JJ plays cruel joke on Trekkies who have been waiting over 3 years for new Star trek”

358. trekboi - October 7, 2012

#19

Remember JJ is a Star Wars fan first.
He see’s us “Fans” as a joke that gets in the way of his raping Star Trek for the general audiances almighty dollar.

Call me one of ‘those” fans if you like.

359. Number 3 - October 7, 2012

1.Ref. the 3 frames.Is that Bob Orci in the spacesuit burning the first 50 drafts/scripts for the sequel?
LOL.

All my best

360. ironhyde - October 7, 2012

I like this. I thought the Conan bit was funny, I think it’s nice to see something from the movie, and it’s NEW. Sadly, I really do agree with those who say JJ is overdoing the secrecy. It’s not like you need to give me the twist ending. You don’t have to spoil the movie. But a look at that “crazy” space suit, or even a discussion of the location it was shot at, might be kinda respectful to fans. I just think bunching fans that are excited and interested in this movie and all it’s details shouldn’t be bunched with the general public that could care less. There are measures…

For example, this three frame clip is worthless to the general public, but to a fan, it must be slowed and captured and examined. That’s fan service. And I like it.

Oh well, I am happy. There should be more like this. Thanks JJ. :)

361. Toonloon - October 7, 2012

Btw, I saw Chris hemsworth in soho last night but didn’t have the guts to ask him if he’s in STID. He’s shorter than I imagined.

I’d love to see him return as George, or even have his real life brother play Chris pines brother in Star Trek.

362. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 7, 2012

#358 – Here we go again – yet another post (no doubt male) being ignorant and offensive in his accusation of JJ “raping Star Trek”.

Everytime I read this kind of odious, disgusting and totally inaccurate comparison, I will call it out. Tell me, trekboi, have you ever been raped? or perhaps beaten up by a person who say they love you – spousal abuse?

As far as you sneering at JJ Abrams and co who you think sees us “Fans” as getting in the way of going after the almighty dollar – what nonsense!

Star Trek Into Darkness’s budget this time, I believe, is around $170million. This is money that Paramount and its other financial collaborators have already put into making this movie, with, as yet, no financial return. This money is what the producer/director has to use in order to make a modern movie that audiences expect to see – good cinematography, FX, CGI and all those fancy technical terms, story, acting etc, pay the screenwriters, and all the cast and crew. Go to the Star Trek Into Darkness IMDb page and click on entire list of cast and crew…all these people need to be paid!

They NEED to recoup this money and more in order to remain in business, in order to be able to even consider making any Star Trek movie. What’s more, it is more than likely that every one of those hundreds(s) of people associated with this movie (people who derive an income) are rooting for this movie to be financially successful because their longterm livelihoods depend on this and other movies making money, not losing money!

Film making has always been a business seeking to make a profit, just like any other business within a capitalist driven economy and that is fine. I do not have a problem with that. Paramount (or indeed, any other film company) is a charity, nor do they profess to be.

I can’t believe that I have consistently read this kind of rubbish on various American sites since signing onto the internet. There seems to be so much confusion…

JJ Abrams and his production company, Bad Robot, have not been mandated to run a public hospital, such the ones we have in NZ, which provide basic to complex medical care to all (NZ citizens/permanent residents) those who pass through their doors, free of charge, irrespective of that person’s ability or inability to pay for the care they need. These hospitals are open 24/7, 365/6 days each and every year.

There is a fundamental difference. Perhaps if you guys understood what it actually means to live in as good a social democracy as is humanly possible, you would not be so confused, even antagonistic towards JJ Abrams’ and his supposed quest for the “almighty dollar”.

Where I come from, that “almighty dollar” in the form of revenue from that film being able to get as many bums on seats as possible gets taxed and that tax then goes toward funding a hospital that is able to help alleviate the pain and suffering of any and all. At least, that is how it is meant to be and should work and does work, for the most part.
Except, I suspect, that it doesn’t quite work that way in the US, hence the confusion and antagonism…oh dear.

363. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 7, 2012

Edit: Oh dear…I read back and see some mistakes. I think the word and then type the next one

I meant to write “Paramount…is NOT a charity…”

“hundreds(s)” should be “hundreds(?)”

364. BulletInTheFace - October 7, 2012

MJ, you have a very distorted picture of how the world works.

365. Lt. Dakin - October 7, 2012

Seriously. How much did anyone know about “Wrath of Khan” in October 1981?!? Nothing. And the movie wasn’t shot yet and didn’t have a final title. Didn’t have a trailer until April 1982 and you had to go to a convention to see it.

366. Billiam - October 7, 2012

This is a serious comment to JJ and crew – Bob Orci, anyone really; Do you expect a busy couple, of which the female half is not interested in Star Trek, to pony up $25+ for a Star Trek movie we know nothing about? The older I get, the busier I get, the less and less I care about this franchise, because the people keeping the secrets are being a little overbearing.

You are killing your “general audience” interest. Nobody liked Star Trek before; why would they anticipate this movie any higher without any information?

I’m calling it as I see it. The movie probably blows and they know it. Good luck, hope I am completely wrong, but that’s the feeling I’m getting.

367. Jack - October 7, 2012

366. Not right now, 200+ days before the thing’s in theatres, no, I’m guessing they don’t expect you to pay $25.

Gosh. Plenty will be known by May 2013. What difference would knowing anything now, 7 months before, make to a movie you’ll see next spring?

368. Craiger - October 7, 2012

#366 – I agree that they are killing general audience interest. I don’t want to know everything about the sequel but they are already promoting 2013 movies now, they are already promoting Jack Ryan and that doesn’t even come out until December 2013. I wonder if the general audience even remembers ST 2009?

369. Calastir - October 7, 2012

Rose, your quota of the word ‘odious’ is up to 3 in this thread alone. Just saying.

370. Jack - October 7, 2012

I posted this on another thread, but heck, here it us again — complete
with typos.

The average, sane moviegoer isn’t going to mind not knowing anything about a movie 220 days before its in theatres.

Take Looper. I hadn’t seen a trailer for it, I’d heard about it briefly maybe two moinths ago (just that it existed) and then I saw Joseph Gordon Levitt on SNL the weekend before and then I saw it get a Fresh rating on Rotten Tomatoes on Thursday of the release week, oh, and I think I saw a commercial during Fringe on Friday. So I went to see it the Saturday, and the theatre was sold out.

Sure, it had star power – Levitt and Willis. But still.

I’d wager that almost all of the people in that theatre hadn’t heard about the movie 3 months ago. Or even 1 month ago. And probably not even three weeks ago.

For every “X had trailers out a year ago!!” there are a dozen movies that get to #1 in the Box Office without six months of advance publicity. No, those aren’t actual statistics.

Actual word of mouth of mouth doesn’t happen 6 months or 3 months in advance. people will go see a movie even if all their facebook friends didn’t post links to the trailer eight months previously…

Seriously, who goes to see a movie and thinks — “oh, I only heard about this a month ago and not last year, hmmm, critics are saying it’s great ,and it’s top at the box office, but I’m really reluctant because I didn’t see posters last Christmas?”

We’re assuming that average movie-goers put premiere dates n their calendars, cross off the days remaining with Delta Sheild stickers, and book the day off work a year in advance like we do.

At most we get people talking and saying, “oh, yeah, Avengers looks good — when’s it coming out?” and then forgetting about it until it’s in theaters.

Yes, fanboys (whether it’s Trek or Lord of teh Rings or Batman) are giddy with anticipation and ji*z everytime a still, or trailer, or action-figure package design is revealed — but I’d argue that most of the people who see these movies aren’t fanboys.

Let’s be honest — it’s not about the average moviegoer at all. We want the Trek guys to acknowledge that we as fans really want stuff in advance, we need material to help us sustain and build enthusiasm in the same way that me as an actionless teenager needed por-n.

We don’t just want the movie, we want a year of nonstop build-up.

The average movie goer doesn’t need eight months or six months or two months of foreplay, but we do, and that’s why we’re griping.

We’re saying it’s because we’re worried that the other folks in line at the grocery store won’t be at Trek opening night, but really, bottom line is, “we want our trailer/stills/making-of-diary/leaked script, etc., we deserve our trailer (etc), and we want it six months ago!”

It’s about us. Let’s be honest about it. We’re angry that the marketing campaign isn’t geared to us. Nope, entitled is an ugly word, I agree…. But we definately think we deserve to have seen something by now….

371. Captain Gorn - October 7, 2012

Calastir, your quota of odious posts is up to three in this thread alone. Just saying.

372. BulletInTheFace - October 7, 2012

#366: Your point is entirely invalid. To imply that people will know nothing about the film by the time it comes out is ridiculous. Please get some perspective.

373. BulletInTheFace - October 7, 2012

#368: Even remembers? LOL. Come on, man. That’s ridiculous.

374. BulletInTheFace - October 7, 2012

Anyone who thinks this film is not going to do well is out of touch with reality. Anyone who thinks Star Trek is dead is out of touch with reality. Anyone who thinks the film won’t be marketed in time to pull off a major hit is out of touch with reality. Anyone who thinks the opinions expressed on this hate-filled message board even remotely match the majority of opinions elsewhere is out of touch with reality. In short, many of you are out of touch with reality.

375. dmduncan - October 7, 2012

The “mystery” about what the film is about will vanish either a) when the first full trailer is released, or b) when the early reviews come in, which will probably be even before the Thursday night early showing.

So either way there will be enough info for anyone worried about the sticker price to decide whether they are going to see it or not well before putting up cash at the box office to get answers, which doesn’t include most people posting here, who are going to see it at least once even if it sounds as bad as STV: TFF.

But for the most deranged, even those who hate Bob and JJ’s rebootiverse will see it once, just so they can come back here and have the pleasure of savaging the film someplace where Bob will read what they have to say.

And the most deranged — those who hate this new Star Trek so much that they will stab at Bob’s work with the dismissive refusal to see it at all, and make it known — are the chumps who represent the chump change it isn’t worth anyone’s time to fret about.

When all is said and done, it IS still just a movie, and some kinds of peace folk just need to figure out a way to on their own.

376. ironhyde - October 7, 2012

#365 and others like it… Funny thing: We’re not in 1981 anymore. We’re in an age with computers and internet, where most people are logged in 24/7 and most people in America spend the majority of their social time online. As much as JJ wants to will away youtube and the Internet, it’s here and he should maybe try to recognize that. Plus, we’re fans here. If JJ would rather we be uncaring general public, then he might have his way soon, the way this site has started to burn…

377. Jack - October 7, 2012

376. Ironhyde. What are you asking for, exactly – YouTube clips of the movie? A tweet of a line of dialogue every day for the next 200 days? Give me a break, they know all of this and that’s why they’re spending a fortune avoiding leaks — heck, Nemesis and Insurection’s scripts were leaked online, if I remember correctly, and it certainly didn’t help make either movie better or more profitable.

So, when you guys were kids, did you get this pissed off when you couldn’t see next year’s Christmas present in July? Would you break up with your girlfriend because she gave you an unbelievably great surprise party (she kept secrets from me — it’s over)?

We had these same sorts of posts here in 2009 — they haven’t released enough stills! The trailer tells us nothing! Nobody’s going to see this and they’re keeping it quiet because they know it will bomb!”

378. Jey - October 7, 2012

Am I the only one who thinks that JJ Abrams and Leonard Hofstadter of Big Bang Theory look alike?

379. DeShonn Steinblatt - October 7, 2012

376. “most people in America spend the majority of their social time online”

Horrifically sad statement about the state of your life, but it does explain your attitude.

380. AJ - October 7, 2012

379:

That INCLUDES walking around with Smartphones. Many people I know are online 24/7, and never sit in front of their computers.

381. Vultan - October 7, 2012

#378

“JJ [knock, knock, knock]… JJ [knock, knock, knock]… JJ [knock, knock, knock]…”

382. AJ - October 7, 2012

ZQ in Russia doing “Rock Paper Lizard Spock”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v26OP6f29Qc&feature=player_embedded

383. AJ - October 7, 2012

Sorry, missed the “scissors”

384. Jack - October 7, 2012

#76. Yep, it’s not 30 years ago. We’re bringing up Wrath of Khan here because some are saying that this is unprecedented and that back in the good old days of Trek movies, in the 70s. or 80s or 90s or early 2000s or in 2009 — we were never, ever, ever, treated like this (whatever “this” is… like normal movie goers, I suppose). And I just don’t think it’s true.

if you’re wanting JJ to do an online forum or speak at conventions or something, that’s one thing — but I really don’t get what people want to see now from this movie… other than detailed “making of” footage or tonnes of stills.

Yeah, Jack Ryan released two stills and they’re still filming. One is a guy (Chris Pine) on a bike — which could really be any guy in any scene in any movie. It’s a reboot and yeah, they want it to be news that they’re filming — just like it was (widely-covered) news that The Untitled Trek Sequel/Star Trek 2 was filming.

Yeah, the Batman movie told us that Bane and Selina Kyle were in it during filming. And that was pretty much it. You’re right — Cumberbatch’s character is still a secret. And I get that that’s pissing people off.

There will be a trailer.

385. Jack - October 7, 2012

BTW: Matt said it better that I ever could:

12. matt – October 5, 2012

This is maddening. JJ Abrams has possession of the script and all of the footage, and I have possession of a computer.

WHY ISN’T HE LETTING ME SEE THE MOVIE NOW?

Wait to see it in the cinema when the movie is completed? Where the painstaking work of the thousands of craftsmen and artists can realised in the form I claim to love? So that the story can be experienced in as pure a form as possible, so I can experience the journey as the characters do?

Message received Abrams: F*CK YOU TREKKIES.

386. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 7, 2012

Apart from the fact that Star Trek and Jack Ryan have two different directors – (not the same human beings, so more than likely (I HOPE so) have a slightly different perspective, understanding, personality, mission and do not even look alike – JJ Abrams has curly black hair and an American accent and Kenneth Branagh has fair hair and an English accent), there is another important difference and it has to do with the very mission statement (I assume this was written by Gene Roddenberry or certainly had his approval) that we heard at the beginning of every TOS episode.

Gosh, that is one long sentence I have just written…Holy Moly…oh well

“…to explore strange new worlds…boldly go…”

The thing is – how can we “boldly go” discovering something we have not seen before, or perhaps have seen before but not in quite this way, if we are told and get to see various bits and pieces months in advance? Where is the adventure? Did Captain Kirk, when he commanded Sulu to go thattaway, presumably into uncharted areas of space, know what lay beyond until he got there? NO.

This young Captain Kirk and his Enterprise will be taking us on a ride to Lord knows where, perhaps familiar, then again not…or both, If we know various stuff now, then we can’t “boldly go where no one has gone before” when we take our seats to see this film for the first time. All I can hope for is that this young captain gives me a damn good ride!

387. Billiam - October 7, 2012

372. lol get some perspective? lol… sorry I guess I’ll just laugh at that. I’m implying they are failing horribly to convince the general audience, particularly 20-something females, to watch this movie. It’s like pulling teeth to get my partner to watch the 2009 movie. Why release snippets here and there when you can just be done with the promoting and let it sit on people’s minds for a while?

388. Billiam - October 7, 2012

On another note, why have this website run at all if there isn’t going to be news about the sequel? Why not shut it down until 3 months before release? As a consumer I come here to consume a product – news – of which I am not getting. The consumer is unhappy, and that’s what a lot of people are trying to say here, I think.

What is the purpose of this website 32 out of 36 months?

389. LizardGirl - October 7, 2012

Well, I’ll take what I can get! We have 3 frames that have been updated to HD (thanks Kayla and anyone else who helped!). Aslo, JJ has made an appearance to sort of talk about the movie. He’s had conversations quoted in articles, I believe, but an actual appearance is really good. Even though it was a very short clip, he did, technically promote the movie. Just not in the way some of us hoped. Anyways…

When the movie comes out, we can compare the stats of both ST09 and STID. Like:

1. Which made more opening day, opening week.

2. Which made more overseas in those time periods.

3. What factors were different for each movie. And if, after the numbers, any factors seemed to effect the success of those movies for better/worse. Factors such as:

1. Consumer awareness (i.e. ST09 was the first reboot so maybe many didn’t know much about the franchise vs. second time many have seen ST09.)

2. Budget

3. Time

4. Discuss actor performance for each character. What we liked about
that or disliked.

5. What was done well or could be improved upon hopefully in a third movie. Whether it’s the feel of the movie, performance, writing/directing, etc.

6. Extras such as: with new information about this altered universe, what significant history changes are there? How to proceed into another movie or hopefully TV series with what we learn.

Now, we can’t answer too much right now. We can only guess at this point. But, what else is there to do? :)

390. LizardGirl - October 7, 2012

Mmm.., 1-3 in the middle should have appeared indented.

391. boborci - October 7, 2012

289. Are you purposely being dense? The nearly two years that it takes to make each movie, for a total of close to 4 years. Those are the years I’m talking about. You think these movies prep, shoot, and edit themselves? He has worked on Star Trek as long as you were in high school.

392. somethoughts - October 7, 2012

Hi bob, is 6 months enough time to promote a tent pole epic sequel?

393. boborci - October 7, 2012

392. absolutely. this extended marketing idea is a recent (20 years) phenomenon that began, as far as I recall, with the first Batman movie.

394. boborci - October 7, 2012

289. Although I will conced the distinct possibility that you were i high school longer than for years;)

395. boborci - October 7, 2012

concede

396. Curious Cadet - October 7, 2012

Oh this is so obvious. The evil villain is Dr. Evil, and his volcano lair!

397. Ahmed - October 7, 2012

The fact remains that JJ took time off to do Super 8 which affected the production of Star Trek sequel.

It is almost 6 months before the movie come out & no marketing whatsoever to promote the movie. No poster, teaser, trailer, viral marketing or official website !!! Only the unimaginative title was released.

You guys need to step your game up & fast.

398. boborci - October 7, 2012

397. Classic. you essentially are saying, “You’ve given us nothing! Except for that one thing you gave us — the title – and I hate it!”

I guess you will have to show me the marketing handbook you are using to question our schedule. Appreciate that you wanna see things ASAP. Delayed gratification is not a strong characteristic of some folks. I get it. All I can say is:

relax. the movie is gonna melt your face right off. Your eyeballs are going to bleed. And you’ll thank us;)

399. Ahmed - October 7, 2012

#389. boborci

“relax. the movie is gonna melt your face right off. Your eyeballs are going to bleed. And you’ll thank us;)”

I hope so, I rarely get very excited about new movies, only exceptions are Star Trek and any project by the likes of Christopher Nolan & Ridley Scott.

How about you give us some clues about your marketing schedule ?

On a different topic, are you still working on the “Secret Cabinet
” TV series project ?

400. TrekRulz - October 7, 2012

Oooh I can’t wait!! I lUUUVVED the last movie and this one looks so great!!!!!!

Wen r u gonna release a trailer?!?!

401. dmduncan - October 7, 2012

399. Ahmed – October 7, 2012

On a different topic, are you still working on the “Secret Cabinet
” TV series project ?

***

Yeah, Bob. You still working on that?

402. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 7, 2012

#398 @ boborci – I don’t want to have my face melt off or my eyeballs bleed. I am very sensitive to pain. I’m not sure I will like this. Perhaps if you, Bob Orci or Chris Pine were to hold my hand throughout my first viewing, then I may not feel so bad.

Should I prepare myself with some self-flagellation? What are the odds that I will get the company (yours and/or CP) I need to get me through this harrowing Star Trek Into Darkness ride? What do you think? I am earnestly seeking your advice. What say you?

403. boborci - October 7, 2012

Ahmed, Duncan

we have one last ptayer of selling it. Waiting to hear. Thanks for asking.

404. boborci - October 7, 2012

prayer

405. dmduncan - October 7, 2012

Good luck! May the scales fall from their eyes and they see the light!

406. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 7, 2012

Has the numbering of posts gone askew again? I am sure that Bob Orci’s post was #398 but now it is #400.

Such is the way of this trekmovie site in the last few weeks. I know – we posters to this site are guinea pigs in some sociological experiment and Bob Orci is one of its main engineers. See – I can have conspiracy theories of my own too… Now let me see…:)

407. boborci - October 7, 2012

Rose — what city do you live in?

408. Eric - October 7, 2012

Did I miss something or has Khan been “confirmed” as the villain? According to IMDB it’s been confirmed. Or rather, they say in the May 2013 release page that it’s Khan in the form of their commentary.

Or are they just running with the rumor mill?

409. Ahmed - October 7, 2012

#403

Good luck Bob.

With the current state of network TV series & the lack of any space based program or even decent sci-fi series-beside Fringe- I’ll keep my fingers crossed for any good series to come our way.

410. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 7, 2012

#407 – Bob? Is that a serious question?

I thought you knew. I live in Auckland (Karl Urban’s “city” – I believe you may be acquainted with him..;)), New Zealand. I am but 10 minutes drive away from Auckland International Airport (and Domestic terminal) and I regularly see and hear those big birds fly past my house coming to and from the airport. Fortunately, I don’t live right under a flight path so the noise problems are minimal.

I am a member of Star Trek’s international audience since 1968 or thereabouts. However I have few novels, one comic compilation (the first Online edition), Star Trek 09 on two set DVDs and other Star Trek movies and episodes from various Star Trek spin-off series on either DVD or video tape. No merchandise – I’m not really into that. Availability and/or financial considerations have always been obstacles, but, as long as I can get to see the newest movie at least once in the cinema and then on DVD, I should be a happy lass!

I just don’t want my eyeballs to bleed or my face to melt…Bob?

411. Jack - October 7, 2012

I think ths means Bob is express-mailing Chris Pine to your house, Rose. :)

412. Craiger - October 7, 2012

Bob – That bad guy is this person right? Warning graphic! LOL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI6-JzxV-_M

413. andyfort - October 7, 2012

I’VE GOT IT!!! These 3 frames reveal ALL plot details: The crew is warned by Spock Prime not to deposit Khan on Ceti Alpha V, because it just makes him more crazy revengeful mad, etc. So instead they take him to Mustafar to be burned up in the lava river! In this scene, Spock has just thrown Khan into the fire and he’s thinking, “Wow, I almost had to experience all that katra crap because of this guy! Whew, that was a close one!.”

414. Chris Doohan - October 7, 2012

298 Bob Orci

This is the one time I will look forward to my eyes bleeding. :)

415. somethoughts - October 7, 2012

Vulcan into Volcanoe

416. somethoughts - October 7, 2012

*volcano

417. cd - October 7, 2012

.125 seconds of my life I’ll never get back.
>;>}

418. Craiger - October 7, 2012

Maybe they found a new planet that is just like or similar to the old Vulcan and it has Volcanoes. I looked it up on Google.

419. Craiger - October 7, 2012

Sorry I meant I Googled Vulcan and Volcanoes.

420. NCM - October 7, 2012

@398. boborci – October 7, 2012

“the movie is gonna melt your face right off. Your eyeballs are going to bleed. And you’ll thank us;)”

Oh God! I love it when he talks like that!

But wait, boborci…, exciting as your comments are, can you expand on them just a little … maybe drop a few more dramatic adjectives into the tank to keep us circling? No, sadly, I am not kidding!

421. TrekTech - October 7, 2012

Spock goes after Khan on a lava planet, Spock uses the blue beam on his phaser but Khan, gone over to the darkness, relies on the red emitter because he wasnt Obi…errr….Spock…dead. Spock he defeats him and Khan is left burnt and mangled. He is saved with the use of cybernetic body parts. When he awakens from surgery he rasps,” Where is Marla….*wheeze*…”
“You killed her.” “NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooo”.
Everyone knows the best way to reboot an old franchise is with volcano planets and lots of CGI…fact.

422. dmduncan - October 7, 2012

I have a question!

First, the summoning:

Boborci Boborci Boborci

Second, the question:

Are there any major roles in the movie that have been cast WITHOUT being reported? By “major” I mean important characters that are not background characters. The medical characters during the birth scene in ST.09 are not “major,” for example, they are “background.”

I mean, are there roles as big or bigger than Papa Kirk, Gaila, Amanda, or even Pike, which went unreported as casting news, so that we will be surprised by the appearance of the actors, and the characters they portray, in the film?

423. somethoughts - October 7, 2012

Mindmeld inside Volcano

424. boborci - October 7, 2012

422. I don’t think so, though I am not technically aware of exactly what casting news is out in the open.

425. TrekTech - October 7, 2012

Its not a volcano…hes been eaten by a giant horta

426. somethoughts - October 7, 2012

Bob, do you prefer the movie to be between 2-2.5hrs or longer

427. TrekTech - October 7, 2012

good points to be made in this article although kind of a dead horse at this point.
http://whatculture.com/film/15-blunders-that-ruined-j-j-abrams-star-trek-and-destroyed-the-franchise.php/2

428. Eric - October 7, 2012

I hope it’s longer. I never believed in the old “no more than 2 hours/attention span” bit from the past, and am glad most of the more “epic” movies out have broken that rule.

Hell, for that matter, with the price of tickets/popcorn/tasers for mobile phone users, I hope it’s more than 3 hours.

429. Eric - October 7, 2012

#427.. best quote in that article, “For a series that has always tried to keep its science believable, this was too much science-nonsense to allow Orci & Kurtzman a free pass.” Tried to keep science believable? Who on earth are they trying to kid? Star Trek has rarely EVER kept science believable.

They’ve obviously never seen Voyager.

430. The observer - October 7, 2012

429. Eric – October 7, 2012
Tried to keep science believable? Who on earth are they trying to kid? Star Trek has rarely EVER kept science believable

Are you suggesting that people don’t actually turn into lizards at high warp?

431. gingerly - October 7, 2012

“relax. the movie is gonna melt your face right off. Your eyeballs are going to bleed. And you’ll thank us;)”
-boborci

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5xo9h5X3E1qgfdhto1_500.gif
-me

432. gingerly - October 7, 2012

Oh!

Boborci, if you’re still here….
Any characters from the previous Trek back for this one?

Cupcake?
Keenser?
Maddie?
Chapel?
Gaila?

I know you can’t say who, but can you give me a number for how many from my list?

433. Jack - October 7, 2012

I’m hoping new-Vulcan is not in this thing at all and that this is a new adventure… Vulcans are smart, they can take care of themselves. If New Vulcan does figure prominently, we’ll, there’s plenty of time to re-edit to fit requests like mine. I’d also like me some shirtless Kirk, please. And a pony.

434. AJ - October 7, 2012

Is Spock’s walk into the bowels of the volcano his “Trek into Darkness?”

And why is he wearing red?

435. Eric - October 7, 2012

430. The observer

Lord I hope not. Making your cheeks all wobbly & pushed back at high speed, maybe. Changing your entire species…

436. Hugh Hoyland - October 7, 2012

I wish there was a way to push up the release date to Nov. or something. I dunno if I can wait until May of next year. (Not that I have any choice).

437. Eric - October 7, 2012

I can wait if it means a better movie.

438. Hugh Hoyland - October 7, 2012

Movies been shot, in post production now I believe.

439. Hugh Hoyland - October 7, 2012

And I have a feeling the movie is going to be fantastic. Dont know why I feel that way, but I do.

I have faith in this team.

440. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 7, 2012

#433 – Yep. You’ve got that right – a shirtless Kirk and definitely a pony or better still, a fine horse. Anyway, aren’t all captains of the Enterprise supposed to be consummate horse riders?

Bob Orci – How are those horse-riding lessons going for Chris Pine? I could recommend a well-known horse rider to help with his instruction. I also think that captain Kirk should also have his own saddle with him at all times in keeping with a good *Picard tradition.

Oh, and how is the beagle, meant for this young captain Kirk, doing?

*So what if Picard came 80+ years later in that other universe. Just make it so…:)

As for casting news, all anyone has to do is go onto the Star Trek Into Darkness IMDb board and click onto full cast and crew. Presumably this is an accurate list. It is all there… the list of names go on and on and on and on and…OK, where was I?…:)

Bob express-mailing Chris Pine to my house? Surely you jest…:)

441. dmduncan - October 7, 2012

431. gingerly – October 7, 2012

LOL!

442. TrekTech - October 7, 2012

@429 I dont disagree. My problem is when you have that sort of budget the opportunity was there to do it right. When I hear things about what a good script this was I take exception because it WASNT IMHO a good script. Any time a story has to based on contrivance after contrivance its not a good script regardless of what the audience buys in to. Michael Bay is a prime example. Trek fans have always been SMART fans and Id simply like to see Trek treated with some respect especially considering theres been more then enough time and money to do so. Trek 09 required SO many leaps of faith and suspensions of disbelief that I found it annoying. (loved the cast BTW) but Im REALLY hoping to see a more carefully and THOUGHTFULLY written movie this go round.

443. Legion - October 7, 2012

Something is amiss.

I wonder what it is….

http://www.abload.de/img/lenstrekuhpdn.jpg

Ah, there you go :D

444. Aurore - October 7, 2012

“relax. the movie is gonna melt your face right off. Your eyeballs are going to bleed…..”

______

I “see”….The title does make sense, to me. NOW.

(Even if I still don’t like it.)

“…. And you’ll thank us;)”

My expectations are SOooooo high……
Thanks in anticipation.

445. MJ - October 7, 2012

“Trek 09 required SO many leaps of faith and suspensions of disbelief that I found it annoying.”

Yea, why can’t Trek 09 be more hard sf like TOS was.

;-))

446. MJ - October 7, 2012

@423 “Everyone knows the best way to reboot an old franchise is with volcano planets and lots of CGI…fact.”

Guess you never saw the end of Star Trek III, eh dude? LOL

447. MJ - October 7, 2012

@358 “Word of mouth is such a small segment of marketing when it comes to major blockbuster movies.”

Khan Newbie, that was not what I was referring to. Word of mouth is the single most important factor that determines what the movie will do AFTER the big opening weekend. Cowboys and Aliens and Watchmen are textbook cases of this — both opened #1, then tanked by Week 2 when word of mouth got around that the movies sucked.

448. MJ - October 7, 2012

“There is a fundamental difference. Perhaps if you guys understood what it actually means to live in as good a social democracy as is humanly possible, you would not be so confused, even antagonistic towards JJ Abrams’ and his supposed quest for the “almighty dollar”. Where I come from, that “almighty dollar” in the form of revenue from that film being able to get as many bums on seats as possible gets taxed and that tax then goes toward funding a hospital that is able to help alleviate the pain and suffering of any and all. At least, that is how it is meant to be and should work and does work, for the most part.”

Hmm, the last time I checked the NZ government gave huge tax breaks to Peter Jackson’s companies for producing the Hobbit, and actually signed into law measures to block real union representation of actors, writers and other creative working on movies in New Zealand.

So please spare me the lectures inferring how New Zealand’s democracy is so much more moral than anyone else’s here. “Money talks” there just as easily as anywhere else in the Western world.

449. TrekTech - October 7, 2012

@445 Maybe because this isnt 1965? And it had a larger budget than any Trek before it? And Trek 3 wasnt a reboot. I get that youre trying to be clever, though. I do agree with you about word of mouth, however. My jest was in reference for JJs love of all things Star Wars.

450. ironhyde - October 7, 2012

#376. Nope. :) Pretty much all you just said came from you and was never even implied by me, nor uttered. It’s imaginary. Sorry, can’t help you.

But the team behind STID should recognize that we are in a different age than the 80s and material must be treated differently. I know they know, because the promotional campaign for Cloverfield was epic and engaging and fun, and not a single frame or item from the movie was EVER revealed until they gave us a 5 min clip or something of the movie. That thing didnt even have a title until right up until the end. But I was all over it almost every day, enjoying the mystery. I wish they could give us bits. Props, little bit and pieces, and not ever day, but like once a month? A new item once a month? Is that really a big thing? Nah.

#379. It’s a fact. And 489 is absolutely correct. You might be a bit out-of-touch.

451. MJ - October 7, 2012

“Let’s be honest — it’s not about the average moviegoer at all. We want the Trek guys to acknowledge that we as fans really want stuff in advance, we need material to help us sustain and build enthusiasm in the same way that me as an actionless teenager needed por-n. We don’t just want the movie, we want a year of nonstop build-up. The average movie goer doesn’t need eight months or six months or two months of foreplay, but we do, and that’s why we’re griping. We’re saying it’s because we’re worried that the other folks in line at the grocery store won’t be at Trek opening night, but really, bottom line is, “we want our trailer/stills/making-of-diary/leaked script, etc., we deserve our trailer (etc), and we want it six months ago!” It’s about us. Let’s be honest about it. We’re angry that the marketing campaign isn’t geared to us. Nope, entitled is an ugly word, I agree…. But we definately think we deserve to have seen something by now….”

What a pop psychology collection of bunk. As a fan, I just want some preliminary information on the film like I am accustomed to receiving on EVERY Star Trek film since the buildup to TMP in the late 1970′s. This BLACKOUT is unprecedented and I think it is ill-advised and risks alienating the fan-base. We are not use to this, and this did not happen with Trek 09.

It is as simple as that — this is a huge surprise to us all that NO info is available. There is no pop psychology needed to explain our reaction to this unprecedented information blackout. Some people are pissed about it — DUH !!!

452. somethoughts - October 8, 2012

btw very clever showing space suit vs nature, brings a sense of wonder and mystery.

453. Khan is not the easy route - October 8, 2012

@447. “Khan Newbie, that was not what I was referring to. Word of mouth is the single most important factor that determines what the movie will do AFTER the big opening weekend. Cowboys and Aliens and Watchmen are textbook cases of this — both opened #1, then tanked by Week 2 when word of mouth got around that the movies sucked.”

Such to be the case, if Star Trek Into Darkness is a bad movie, then it’s a bad movie. Pre-release marketing doesn’t change the quality of the film.

@451. “As a fan, I just want some preliminary information on the film like I am accustomed to receiving on EVERY Star Trek film since the buildup to TMP in the late 1970′s. This BLACKOUT is unprecedented and I think it is ill-advised and risks alienating the fan-base. We are not use to this, and this did not happen with Trek 09.”

Stop acting like a self-entitled “I want my information because that’s how it was for the last eleven movies!!!!1!!!!!” Trekkie and grow up.

454. South African Dude - October 8, 2012

Bunch of nagging babies really…

The secrecy is cool and (maybe intentionally) adds a layer of quality to the whole experience. Every image or frame is like gold, almost perhaps like the first moon mission, the first images coming through, the excitement of it, the anticipation, why spoil that?

I sometimes wonder my trekkers are always being mocked so much, but then it hits you in the face, bunch of nancy pansies.
For Pete’s sake grow up!

Very glad JJ and team not folding under the pressure, great job you guys, and thank you!!!!

455. Jack - October 8, 2012

451. You basically said exactly what I said. And what does pop psychology have to do with it — we’re yelping because we need to know months before the average movie goer. Sorry, I mean because we’re accustomed to getting preliminary information… It’s all the same nonsense.

456. filmboy - October 8, 2012

@442,

I agree with you completely. Trek 09 relied too much on contrivances and clever turns of events. I found the cast to be tremendous and one the main reasons I enjoyed the film as much as I did. The inclusion of Leonard Nimoy is what made the film for me. Once Kirk crash lands on Delta Vega, the film moves up a step or two. I am thrilled to hear that he will be back for this sequel.

With that said, I do feel that the Supreme Court need to make a straight forward adventure film that keeps the focus on being character driven, instead of plot driven. You have done well in the cast you have assembled, now let them truly shine. My hope is that this film can somehow find the right balance between grand adventure and well crafted character study. I know Trek, when done at a high creative level, is capable of both. Look to any of the standout Original Series and TNG episodes for proof.

The secrecy thing is curious. But I want to reserve judgement on that for now. I think JJ needs to be careful going forward to not take his playful teasing (Conan three frames bit) over into the annoying overlord realm. A good tease can be fine, just know when the teasing is annoying the fans and creating disinterest in the general moviegoing audience. For now, I am going to trust that the marketing people at Paramount and JJ know what they are doing by delaying the release of anything substantial.

I still think we will see a teaser trailer in November. The full trailer in January. With other marketing items in between.

457. captain spock - October 8, 2012

this is from a April 2012 artical that has picture of zac qunitos appently in a volcano suit , so what jj brought to the conon show is nothing new just conferm that spock in a volcano suit going into some volcano on some planet big freekin deal , give us something we can sink out teeth in gees it a long wait untill may of next year guys.

like when the trailer is going to be out before christmas or some time in january it would something to look forward seeing ensted of this three clips woopie do.

http://trekmovie.com/2012/04/19/more-images-of-quinto-as-spock-from-star-trek-sequel-set/

458. captain spock - October 8, 2012

this is from a April 2012 artical that has picture of zac qunitos appently in a volcano suit , so what jj brought to the conon show is nothing new just conferm that spock in a volcano suit going into some volcano on some planet big freekin deal , give us something we can sink out teeth in gees it a long wait untill may of next year guys.

like when the trailer is going to be out before christmas or some time in january it would something to look forward seeing ensted of this three clips woopie do.

http://trekmovie.com/2012/04/19/more-images-of-quinto-as-spock-from-star-trek-sequel-set/

459. captain spock - October 8, 2012

this is from a April 2012 artical that has picture of zac qunitos appently in a volcano suit , so what jj brought to the conon show is nothing new just conferm that spock in a volcano suit going into some volcano on some planet big freekin deal , give us something we can sink out teeth in gees it a long wait untill may of next year guys.

like when the trailer is going to be out before christmas or some time in january it would something to look forward seeing ensted of this three clips woopie do.

http://trekmovie.com/2012/04/19/more-images-of-quinto-as-spock-from-star-trek-sequel-set/

460. captain spock - October 8, 2012

this is from a April 2012 artical that has picture of zac qunitos appently in a volcano suit , so what jj brought to the conon show is nothing new just conferm that spock in a volcano suit going into some volcano on some planet big freekin deal , give us something we can sink out teeth in gees it a long wait untill may of next year guys.

like when the trailer is going to be out before christmas or some time in january it would something to look forward seeing ensted of this three clips woopie do.

http://trekmovie.com/2012/04/19/more-images-of-quinto-as-spock-from-star-trek-sequel-set/

461. captain spock - October 8, 2012

this is from a April 2012 artical that has picture of zac qunitos appently in a volcano suit , so what jj brought to the conon show is nothing new just conferm that spock in a volcano suit going into some volcano on some planet big freekin deal , give us something we can sink out teeth in gees it a long wait untill may of next year guys.

like when the trailer is going to be out before christmas or some time in january it would something to look forward seeing ensted of this three clips woopie do.

http://trekmovie.com/2012/04/19/more-images-of-quinto-as-spock-from-star-trek-sequel-set/

462. captain spock - October 8, 2012

this is from a April 2012 artical that has picture of zac qunitos appently in a volcano suit , so what jj brought to the conon show is nothing new just conferm that spock in a volcano suit going into some volcano on some planet big freekin deal , give us something we can sink out teeth in gees it a long wait untill may of next year guys.

like when the trailer is going to be out before christmas or some time in january it would something to look forward seeing ensted of this three clips woopie do.

http://trekmovie.com/2012/04/19/more-images-of-quinto-as-spock-from-star-trek-sequel-set/

463. MJ - October 8, 2012

@455 “451. You basically said exactly what I said. And what does pop psychology have to do with it — we’re yelping because we need to know months before the average movie goer. Sorry, I mean because we’re accustomed to getting preliminary information… It’s all the same nonsense.”

The nonsense is CHANGING the way its been done for 35 years and expecting the fans to be happy with it.

464. MJ - October 8, 2012

@459, @460, @461, @462, @463 464. Thanks, six times over.. Sheesh, we see your post, OK, dude? LOL

465. filmboy - October 8, 2012

@455,

I think we, as the fans, need to lay off on the complaints over the lack of information about this film. The Trek franchise is in JJ’s hands now and he will determine how to best market the film, along with help from Paramount’s marketing department.

I would rather JJ keep working on crafting the very best Trek film he can and not worry about the promotion at all. With all the required groundwork laid in Trek 09, there is no reason this sequel can not truly soar. I have high expectations for this film, with the cast they have (Cumberbatch!) and the budget I hear they have, there is no reason for this film to not rise up to the level of TWOK, as best Trek film overall.

I am not foaming at the mouth for anything and everything about this film at this point. I am willing to trust JJ and company on this one. However, telling us who Cumberbatch is playing would not ruin the film…ahem…boborci..ahem.

466. MJ - October 8, 2012

@465. “However, telling us who Cumberbatch is playing would not ruin the film…ahem…boborci..ahem.”

See, in your last sentence you want your crumb of preliminary information, just like the rest of us who you started off by basically telling us to relax. Hypocrite! :-))

467. Ralph Pinheiro - October 8, 2012

Hi Mr. Bob Orci,

Here in Brazil , there was poor marketing of the film Star Trek 2009. My country has a good audience. There are many brazillian trekkers and young people who did not know the franchise became very interested in it. I would like your help to promote marketing initiatives stronger in Brazil for Into Darkness.

468. MJ - October 8, 2012

Khan Newbie, intellecutually stymied, you, “right on schedule,” responded with the exact type of one-sentence platitudes with you condesending scolding that I expected you to respond with.

You are nothing, if not, predicable.

469. K-7 - October 8, 2012

South African Dude. I find it disingenuous you telling all of us to grow up, given not too long ago you folks in South Africa you implemented institutionalized discrimination on the majority your population under Apartheid. That is a case of a whole society that still has a lot of growing up to do.

Filmboy said: ” I think JJ needs to be careful going forward to not take his playful teasing (Conan three frames bit) over into the annoying overlord realm. A good tease can be fine, just know when the teasing is annoying the fans and creating disinterest in the general moviegoing audience.”

Exactly! I could not agree more.

470. MJ - October 8, 2012

@467 “Hi Mr. Bob Orci, Here in Brazil , there was poor marketing of the film Star Trek 2009. My country has a good audience. There are many brazillian trekkers and young people who did not know the franchise became very interested in it. I would like your help to promote marketing initiatives stronger in Brazil for Into Darkness.”

Good luck getting help or any info from the studio or the The Supreme Court on that. LOL

471. MJ - October 8, 2012

@469 “That is a case of a whole society that still has a lot of growing up to do.”

K-7, I usually agree with you, but that response is a bit extreme, dude.

472. Red Dead Ryan - October 8, 2012

There will still be folks defending Paramount even if by January or February we still have no actual trailer.

473. holly - October 8, 2012

When they film the series of Sherlock in the UK the writers/director and some of the actors (Cumberbatch doesnt have a twittter) are very good at keeping fans excited yet tell us very little indeed. They are a clever bunch.

I’ve obviously got interested in Star Trek due to my interest in Cumberbatch and was hoping to have got as involved in chatting about that filming but other than the pap photos there was nothing to talk about. It all seems a bit flat. I was expecting the buzz to outdo the Sherlock pr network but its been awful. This leaves me very jumpy for the pr for the film. Fans seems p’d off and resentful and not that excited.

There needs to be a step change from the producers as the pr for the first film was poor and it didnt do as well as it should have. Its a great film and should have been taking marvel/dark knight levels of money.

It was interesting that at a recent Q&A with Cumberbatch the HUGE audience there (who were very up to speed on his career) didnt raise any questions about Star Trek. Of course he wouldnt have gone into any detail anyway but I do think it sums up the apathy to the franchise in general.

474. AJ - October 8, 2012

470/MJ

In some countries, the problem is not marketing, but distribution. There was a poster from Poland in 2009 who wrote he had to travel from where he lives to Warsaw, where it was showing in only one theater (population 39 million) with no promotion at all. The major multiplex chains did not show the film. Obviously, Bob Orci can’t help with that, but if Poland was an issue, Brazil may be as well, as well as who knows how many other countries?

475. Aurore - October 8, 2012

“There will still be folks defending Paramount even if by January or February we still have no actual trailer.”
________

I won’t deny it. I’ll defend Paramount.

However, if by June ( the movie will be released in June in my country ), there’s still nothing…I’ll give them HELL!!!

That is a promise.

:)

476. MJ - October 8, 2012

AJ, my inferred point was that these guys don’t even get who to market a tent-pole movie in the U.S., so good luck on other countries. :-) And given the piss-poor performance of Trek 09 overseas, they should have started the international marketing campaign for Into Darkness 6 months ago.

477. Jack - October 8, 2012

463: changing what? I don’t know, did we know that Bibi Besch was playing Carol Marcus 7 months before? Did we even have access to casting info? Imdb certainly wasn’t kicking around. I’d argue that we got a lot less information than we do now, even on this movie.

I’m really not trying to defend the secrecy for the sake of it — I just don’t get what you want to see or know by now. What preliminary information did you have 12 months or 7 months before all the other Trek movies? Is this all about who Cumberbatch is playing?

A trailer, posters and stills would be great.

478. AJ - October 8, 2012

476/MJ

Totally agree.

Overseas revenue for most tentpole films now greatly exceeds that of North America due to overseas marketing and the proliferation of new cinemas being built around the world.

479. MJ - October 8, 2012

Jack, blaming the lack of the Internet back then is an unfair comparison. And ST-II is a bad example, as they completed filming only 4.5 months before the movie was released. Nevertheless, within that compressed space, we got a trailer about a month after filming ended, and a Starlog preview of still shots about the same time.

480. MJ - October 8, 2012

Jack, I just want a selection of a handful of officially released still shots, some “on the set” video which tells us briefly about the making of the filim without giving the plot away, and the teaser trailer. That is all I am looking for right now. I can wait for the full trailer and for the confirmation of Khan until December.

481. Red Shirt Diaries - October 8, 2012

Interesting that folks are bringing up the international marketing of Trek 2013. I must say that I agree completely with the idea that the international marketing campaign for STID should have begun a year in advance of the movie given the poor performance of Start Trek 2009 overseas. When you think about it in those terms, it does make you wonder if The Supreme Court and the studio really have a clue about how to market, and how expand the international market, for a major Trek film release?

482. Red Shirt Diaries - October 8, 2012

@480. “Jack, I just want a selection of a handful of officially released still shots, some “on the set” video which tells us briefly about the making of the filim without giving the plot away, and the teaser trailer.

All fans should agree that this is what we should have by now; that is a no-brainer! It is not rocket science for the makers of huge action-sf movie like this to throw out a bit of info to the fans by now. The lack of information at this point of time is both ridiculous and unusual.

This is not Cloverfield, where you need a secretive viral marking campaign to get people to over-pay $ for a forgettable B-movie. This is an established product, and they are showing me that they don’t have a clue as to how to market it.

God help us all if they market this like Cowboys and Aliens and John Carter.

483. Montreal_Paul - October 8, 2012

482. Red Shirt Diaries

As a fan for 40 years, I don’t agree. I have no problem with the lack of news or still or video or trailers right now. Bob Orci said we will see a trailer just after Christmas. I am fine with that. Having a trailer come out 5 or 6 months before the movie does not and will not hurt it. People will still go out in droves to see it. And to whomever said that because of the secrecy, people won’t go to see it 2 or 3 times, only once. I doubt that. If the movie is well written and compelling, people will go. And Trekkies will go see it 2 or 3 times and but the Bluray and the bluray special edition, etc.

Let me ask you this, Red Shirt, if the movie is marketed like John Carter or Cowboys (not really sure what that means anyway) does that mean you won’t see the movie? Will it take away how you feel about the movie after you have seen it? Will you be less likely to recommend it to non-Trek friends?

484. Khan is not the easy route - October 8, 2012

@468 I’m intellectually stymied and “predictable,” yet you’re the one who’s childish in calling me “Khan Newbie.” Hello pot, meet kettle.

It is really simple: a black and white issue. There is no gray area. You are not ENTITLED to information about this movie because you’ve spent money on Star Trek and have been watching forms of Star Trek for decades.

There will be a teaser trailer, there will be a full length trailer. But at the end of the day, none of what you’re overreacting about will actually matter. Why? What ultimately matters – as a Trekkie – is a) the movie being released (don’t want a movie in development hell for five, ten years) and b) whether or not it’s good (because we’d like a good movie, not a shitty one).

485. MJ - October 8, 2012

Khan Newbie, agreed that it is really quite simple and there is no gray area. The people that will pay to see STID are the customers who purchase the primary product (i.e. the movie) though ticket purchases, and associated other products (e.g. the novelization, other media). Poor products here means fewer customers, which means less or negative profits, and can lead to the decision by the studio not to proceed with a 3rd movie.

Collectively, we will decide next May/June whether this current movie series proceeds to a 3rd movie or not. Collectively, we actually hold all the cards in determining the continuation of this product. So JJ and Paramount would do better than to not wait too much longer to start providing us some bits on info on the movie.

As I mentioned previously, right now, the Good Will from Paramount’s customers from Trek 2009 (i.e. us fans) is in danger of being used up due this unprecedented information black hole that we have never seen on a Trek movie before. What this means is that if Paramount doesn’t start releasing at least some token bits of info for the fans soon, some fans are going to have their good will used up — and we’re seeing that over the last couple of months as such fans post their opinions here in accordance with this feeling.

So, yea, not gray are here — this is black and white. We hold the cards, not Paramount/JJ, and it thus behooves them to keep us happy at least at a minimal level. And right now, a lot of us are not very happy with this unprecedented information blackout.

You can’t put it any simpler and more straightforward than this. Case closed!

486. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 8, 2012

#450 MJ – You just don’t get it. I never said that money doesn’t talk where I come from. The NZ Government wanted to keep the production of Tolkien based movies here, where it all began, and so signed the deal. I don’t know all the details of that deal but I know many were not happy with some of the clauses (compromises made) in that deal. What I can say was that a very large multinational film making corporation with a lot of financial clout etc, coming from the US, was clearly arm twisting our government to make, what to many here were, rather unholy concessions.

As I said, film making is a business, not a charity. However, whatever revenue through tax that these movies can make, will hopefully be used within our society in a worthwhile manner, eg maintaining the operation of public hospitals.

487. Red Shirt Diaries - October 8, 2012

#484 / Khan is not the easy route. “It is really simple: a black and white issue. There is no gray area. You are not ENTITLED to information about this movie because you’ve spent money on Star Trek and have been watching forms of Star Trek for decades.”

Of course we are. We are the paying fan base for this franchise. We are the suckers that pay $80 for crap seasons of TNG, and who double- and triple-dip every time our series’s come out in a new format. I fully agree with MJ — we are the primary customers of the Trek product, and it is Paramount’s and CBS’s job to make sure they have satisfied customers, or their product will suffer.

When recently, CBS found out that fans were complaining about issues with TNG Blu-Ray season 1 set, did CBS adopt your approach and say that fans were not entitled to a better product? No, of course not.

And as customers of the “movie products,” for nearly four decades Paramount has made it a precedent to give the fans some at least minor bits of information in advance of each movie coming out. This precedent is established by the Paramount corporation selling us the Trek movie product. And now they are violating this precedent.

Are they ENTITLED to violate this precedent? I would say no, given that it would violate the general economic principles of getting a return on their investment by keeping their customers happy. That is how I would address your issue of entitlement here.

488. Montreal_Paul - October 8, 2012

485. MJ

You don’t actually believe that, do you? The only thing that will make or brak this movie is if it is a well written good story or not. If it is, then us fans will tell our friends (Trek fans and non Trek fans) to go see the movie. Word of mouth is what will get people into the theatre. Yes, if they see the promo on TV or a trailer in the theatre will help spark an initial interest. But generally speaking, If the word or mouth and the reviews are not good, people will be less likely to see it. I have no worries about this movie performing well.

I do agree with you on tie-in products though. Toys, books, magazines, etc, will all bring in more money for Paramount. But that does not figure into how much the stand alone movie brings in.

I wrote about this above. Having a trailer come out 5 or 6 months before the movie does not and will not hurt it. People will still go out in droves to see it. And to whomever said that because of the secrecy, people won’t go to see it 2 or 3 times, only once. I doubt that. If the movie is well written and compelling, people will go. And Trekkies will go see it 2 or 3 times and but the Bluray and the bluray special edition, etc.

I asked this of Red Shirt, so let me ask you this: Just because you won’t get a trailer or movie footage or lightening up of the secrecy, does this mean you will not go and see the movie more than once? Does this mean you won’t buy it on Bluray or DVD when it is released?

489. Ahmed - October 8, 2012

#485. MJ

Well said, MJ.

I found it really arrogant of JJ to come on Conan just to post that 3 frames; to me, it show disrespect to the fans.

btw, Paramount released the first teaser for Star Trek 2009 on January 18, 2008 with Cloverfield, a whole year before the movie was released !

490. general zod - October 8, 2012

@489. That was before Paramount pushed that film back, January 18 2008 was not even remotely close to a year before the original release date for the last movie. You should really check your facts better, then you wouldn’t sound like so much of an idiot.

491. MJ - October 8, 2012

@490 Zod, you may wan to check on your facts as well. For both movies, the actual shooting of the movies were completed approximately 14 months in advance of each movie’s finalized release dates. So Ahmed is still accurate in saying we should have a teaser trailer by now, irrespective of your comment here — i.e. your point is moot.

492. K-7 - October 8, 2012

#489 “I found it really arrogant of JJ to come on Conan just to post that 3 frames; to me, it show disrespect to the fans.”

Yea, it is mockery, which is reinforced by JJ being continually aloof from the fans. I love JJ’s products, but his bedside manner sucks. ;-)

493. MJ - October 8, 2012

“What I can say was that a very large multinational film making corporation with a lot of financial clout etc, coming from the US, was clearly arm twisting our government to make, what to many here were, rather unholy concessions.”

What a load of crap. Last time I checked, Peter Jackson’s WETA and production companies were in New Zealand, and it is also well documented that Scotland and Pinewood Studios/U.K, was Jackson’s backup choice for New Zealand if your government didn’t him the concessions he wanted.

Sorry, the U.S. was not responsible for your concessions to Peter Jackson, who is a New Zealand citizen. Nice try!

I’ll say this again, New Zealand is one of my favorite countries, as I have been there twice and am planning to return in early 2014. But you continued indirect inferences that it is superior to other Western countries continues to irritate me.

All Western countries have pluses and minuses, so this continued bashing of other countries by you, even when cleverly disguised as an indirect inference or suggestion, is getting childish and tiresome.

494. K-7 - October 8, 2012

#495 MJ, I agree. Keachick has a long history of these type of comments though, so good luck in getting her to stop. LOL

495. Aurore - October 8, 2012

For those who might be interested.

Here is an old article about the last Star Trek, marketing etc…or a ” look back at the major milestones of Star Trek (2009)…”, if you will.

http://trekmovie.com/2009/01/05/star-trek-post-production-complete-oscar-winner-ben-burtt-provided-sound-design/

496. K-7 - October 8, 2012

All, actually, U.S. labor leaders tried to step in and assist the NZ unions in fighting against their government’s concessions to Sir Peter. What really happened here was the corrupt NZ government used the Hobbit labor controversy to set union advancements in NZ back decades.

This kind of rollback of actors and movie-making peoples’ rights would never be tolerated in the United States.

497. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 8, 2012

MJ – Warners/New Line Cinema were threatening to have filming of the Hobbit movies moved outside of NZ, most likely to one of the East European countries where everything would be cheaper because of cheap wages and salaries and often less than desirable working conditions. Of course, much of the post-production work would be done by WETA (in the same that James Cameron had a lot of the post-production work on Avatar done by WETA) but many New Zealanders would have been out of work as those jobs would have gone to people in the other country. One or two key people in the Hobbit movies, as well as the main actors, would have been OK, but not everyone else.

I had not heard that Scotland and Pinewood Studios, UK were other options. All I know is that Warner/New Line studio executives were down here in NZ doing the deal with the NZ Government and the negotiations appeared to be rather heated at times. I’m not sure why Peter Jackson would consider the UK an option for filming the Hobbit movie series.

Sir Peter Jackson started his film making business and career and wants to remain here in NZ. With the making and success of the LOTR trilogy movies he proved that it was possible. However, you might want to see it, MJ, the concessions made to keep the filming of the Hobbit movies was due in large part to the bullyboy tactics of a large foreign movie making corporation. Anyway, for all I know, the real owners and financial beneficiaries of Warner Bros/New Line may be living in places like China or Japan…

The stress of what happened put Peter Jackson in hospital with a life-threatening hernia and I think that was because he became the “meat in the sandwich”. History clearly shows he survived, thank God.

Your travel plans are your business. What are you trying to infer by mentioning them in this context? I simply point out facts, as I know them. If you think that I am inferring superiority, well, what can I say?

498. MJ - October 8, 2012

@496 “All, actually, U.S. labor leaders tried to step in and assist the NZ unions in fighting against their government’s concessions to Sir Peter. What really happened here was the corrupt NZ government used the Hobbit labor controversy to set union advancements in NZ back decades.”

Yep!!! U.S. labor leaders tried to help, but the NZ gov’t and Peter Jackson were hell bent on pushing it through. Sure, Warner supported them, but PJ was always calling the shots here.

I am proud of our labor laws here in the United States — they are very progressive and fair to all.

499. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 8, 2012

Corrupt NZ government? Well, that’s a newbie. However, I do agree that this present National lead government, with the “smiling assassin” as prime minister (I NEVER voted for the bastard and never would), are basically against unions, decent minimum pay rates etc.

The NZ National Party has always been a party ceding to those who have wealth (like the prime minister himself, a multi-millionaire) by trying to reduce taxes for the well-off and then trying to reduce public expenditure in crucial areas like health and education. I guess the somewhat greedy, manipulative multinational corporation gave some members of the government the opportunity to screw us (ordinary NZ citizens). Whatever went down, it was DIRTY – there is no doubt about that and I, for one, have not forgotten it.

Bear in mind, everything is bigger in the US, even the Unions. However, these have little power outside of their own country, unlike, unfortunately many multinational corporations who can decide who gets work and who doesn’t and so on… This is what NZ (being small) is often up against. Multinational pharmaceutical companies have also been meddling here…And there are the actions of individual NZ citizens whose actions I often find questionable. What to do?

500. Red Shirt Diaries - October 8, 2012

Rose, you have a long history of taking cleverly veiled potshots at the U.S., and then falling back by claiming we all somehow misunderstood you.

You’d make one hell of a great politician! :-)

501. The Quickening - October 8, 2012

#476. 478. 480

Perhaps Paramount has done preliminary research and concluded something that I have feared all along: that TREK is a niche property and will never gross in the high numbers to justify long-term domestic, or serious international marketing–meaning spending major bucks.

502. MJ - October 8, 2012

@501. Then why would they have green-lighted $170M for the new movie? Makes no sense?

The could still be making Rick Berman Trek $70M Trek movies today if they wanted to go that route, but they are not going that route.

503. Montreal_Paul - October 8, 2012

501. The Quickening

I think you are being a little paranoid.

504. The Quickening - October 8, 2012

Interesting article concerning who the antagonist might be in STID.

http://www.policymic.com/articles/16041/star-trek-into-darkness-movie-spoilers-and-rumors-benedict-cumberbatch-is-gary-mitchell

505. MJ - October 8, 2012

Re: The Quickening Gary Mitchell Article

Dude, that link is interesting, but provides conjecture only — no inside sources whatsoever support that guy’s conjecture. Also, how could Del Toro have been Gary Mitchell???

506. boborci - October 8, 2012

Can we all agree the customer is always right?

Let’s take Honda Motor Company. If Honda hires Ogilvy and Mather (and Ad agency) to advertise its products, who is the customer/client?

507. MJ - October 8, 2012

Plus, Karl Urban’s stunt was so obviously designed to be silly, I look at that stunt as in fact strengthening the Khan argument.

508. K-7 - October 8, 2012

Bob, care to predict if Hawaii Five-O will at least finish in 2nd place tonight?

If not, what is the “get well” plan? Why are the ratings falling so much this year?

509. cpelc - October 8, 2012

First images released in second week of Oct. Of 2008for the last movie. So technically we are ahead of schedule with these three frames.

510. MJ - October 8, 2012

@506. The person who owns a Honda, and decides, based on his/her experience with that Honda, if their next car will be a Honda as well, is the customer. Advertising mainly plays a role in getting new customers in the door.

BTW, I wasn’t aware of the ratings problems with Hawaii Five-O. I am still watching it and enjoy it very much. What is the ratings problem?

511. MJ - October 8, 2012

@511. The teaser was out over half a year before that, and there was a Comicon Panel and advance posters before that as well…etc. etc. We had a good selection of minimal information then that we don’t have this time around.

512. K-7 - October 8, 2012

cpeic., that is really only one still shot. To call it multiple images because it is three frames is ridiculous.

513. K-7 - October 8, 2012

“BTW, I wasn’t aware of the ratings problems with Hawaii Five-O. I am still watching it and enjoy it very much. What is the ratings problem?”

It’s tanking this year. Revolution and Castle are kicking the crap out of it, ratings-wise. They’d better move its slot somewhere soon, or this is going to be the final season.

514. MJ - October 8, 2012

Bob, is their someone at CBS that we fans of Hawaii Five-O can be contacting to help the show stay on the air?

515. NuFan - October 8, 2012

Anyone who thinks the trailer will reveal the villain is insane.

516. cpelc - October 8, 2012

@MJ yes but the teaser was released with a different opening date for the movie and at a time when no one had Star Trek on their radar in the general public whatsoever. Think about how ridiculous this might seem if Entertainment Weekly has exclusive pics in a week or so just like last time and a full length trailer is attached to Bond just like last time. Do you really need a barley mintue long teaser that shows nothing substantial or is it better to justwait and show something longer for a trailer? The general public and fans alike will be more energized with a more bombastic trailer than a minimalistic and otherwise forgetable one that might have been released before now.

517. MJ - October 8, 2012

“Do you really need a barley mintue long teaser that shows nothing substantial or is it better to justwait and show something longer for a trailer?”

Yea, actually I’d rather have the non-substantial teaser and few more still shots…that would be something.

“Anyone who thinks the trailer will reveal the villain is insane.”

If its Khan, the studio will want to market that, whether JJ likes it or not. So I disagree.

518. star trackie - October 8, 2012

I agree that we should have more info by now,

I would also like to help to keep Hawaii 5-0 on the air. Bob, how can I help?

519. Red Dead Ryan - October 8, 2012

Listen, all of us hardcore Trekkies are going to see the movie no matter what. We know when it’s scheduled to be released.

The people that Paramount needs to consider are the casual fans, and the mainstream audience. Right now, most are probably unaware of the sequel. Especially in non-English speaking countries where the last movie did poorly.

I also think they should publish a “making-of” book timed to be released around the time of the movie.

520. NX-2000 - October 8, 2012

Mr. Orci, I’d certainly be interesting in supporting an email or web campaign to save Hawaii Five-O.

521. dmduncan - October 8, 2012

That “3 frame” clip IS a clip. It is not a still picture. I haven’t confirmed the number of frames, but there is motion in it.

522. MJ - October 8, 2012

But from a fan’s POV, it might as well be a still shot.

523. Montreal_Paul - October 8, 2012

505. MJ – October 8, 2012
“Also, how could Del Toro have been Gary Mitchell?”

You could also ask, how could Cumberbatch be Khan?

524. Red Dead Ryan - October 8, 2012

You could also ask, how could Ben Kingsley play the Mandarin in the next “Iron Man”? He sure doesn’t look Chinese, or half-Chinese.

525. MJ - October 8, 2012

That is different though. Del Toro is 15 years older than Pine, and they went to Starfleet Academy together….can’t really explain away that obvious age difference. With Khan, the age difference doesn’t really matter to the character. Sure, we can get into the Indian versus Hispanic versus British Actor thing again, but that is moot, because they had to work BC in when DT refused the role of Khan.

526. Montreal_Paul - October 8, 2012

524. Red Dead Ryan

Exactly, so why not Del Toro as Mitchell. With make up and effects, they can de-age him as well.

527. MJ - October 8, 2012

Well, that is not impossible, but I certainly view it as unlikely.

528. Sean the "Gaffer" - October 8, 2012

Again I must point out as I did early on when I was working on the movie as a Gaffer that you are all way off base on what the film is about. You will all be surprised!

529. Andy - October 8, 2012

Sean the “Gaffer” why must you gaff us!

530. MJ - October 8, 2012

“Again I must point out as I did early on when I was working on the movie as a Gaffer…”

You are Samwise Gamgee’s dad…the Old Gaffer! Cool! I always thought the Lord of the Rings was make believe, but I guess you never know.

531. MJ - October 8, 2012

BTW, I don’t doubt that the movie’s plot will be something no one is thinking about. However, Gaffer, I do think BC is playing Khan. Would you care to go on record as confirming or denying that BC is playing Khan or one of Khan’s crew/someone related to Khan, or whether BC is playing someone completely different?

532. Let Them Eat Plomeek Soup - October 8, 2012

That was great. I was laughing my ass off.

Take it with a grain of salt, Trekkies. It’s not that long till next May…I think we can hold on till then.

533. The Last Vulcan - October 8, 2012

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND… we know that this is really boborci exactly HOW? Given that there has been no intervention by anyone to verify the previous threads’ avowed FAKE? His comments are even being picked up on other Trek sites. VERY suspicious.

534. boborci - October 8, 2012

533. why would anyone impersonate me with such boring comments;)

535. MJ - October 8, 2012

I believe you are Bob, and I also believe you have made up this Gaffer guy to throw us off the scent of Khan and keep us confused.

536. Aurore - October 8, 2012

“Can we all agree the customer is always right?
Let’s take Honda Motor Company. If Honda hires Ogilvy and Mather (and Ad agency) to advertise its products, who is the customer/client?”
__________

My goodness….

What a wierd advertising question……

Who do you think you are? Roberto Orci Senior?

:))

537. Aurore - October 8, 2012

…..Hispanic actors to play Khan?
Once again, I’ll believe it when I see it….

538. MJ - October 8, 2012

Is that a joke, Aurore? You do realize that Ricardo Montalban was Hispanic, right?

539. MJ - October 8, 2012

Note how Bob did not respond to my post with the comment on my suspicions on who the Gaffer really is.

Very interesting!!!

540. star trackie - October 8, 2012

MJ, I’ve always suspected that this “Gaffer guy” was Mr. Orci.

541. somethoughts - October 8, 2012

I have this great product, nobody knows about it, they do know I made great products in the past. I dont need to advertise, they will come to my door and buy it in mass. Marketing is key, you dont market nobody knows or cares. Cant be arrogant and rest!

No teaser trailer yet, posters, comic con, makes me worry just a bit :)

542. Aurore - October 8, 2012

“The people that Paramount needs to consider are the casual fans, and the mainstream audience. Right now, most are probably unaware of the sequel. Especially in non-English speaking countries where the last movie did poorly.”
_________

When you say that, I’m under the impression that you believe that the people at Paramount are…unaware of all this. Incompetent individuals who need to come read these boards (more often).

So, I’ll defend them.
For now, and unless otherwise proven wrong, I’m going to assume that they know what they are doing.

543. somethoughts - October 8, 2012

A teaser campaign is an advertising campaign which typically consists of a series of small, cryptic, challenging advertisements that anticipate a larger, full-blown campaign for a product launch or otherwise important event. These advertisements are called “teasers” or “teaser ads”. A teaser trailer for an upcoming film, television program, video game or similar, is usually released long in advance of the product, so as to “tease” the audience.

Movie teasers are usually only made for big-budget and popularly themed movies. Their purpose is less to tell the audience about a movie’s content than simply to let them know that the movie is coming up in the near future, and to add to the hype of the upcoming release. Teaser trailers are often made while the film is still in production or being edited and as a result theymay feature scenes or alternate versions of scenes that are not in the finished film. Often they contain no dialogue and some (notably Pixar films) have scenes made for use in the trailer only. Teaser trailers today are increasingly focused on internet downloading and the fan convention circuit.

544. MJ - October 8, 2012

@542 “When you say that, I’m under the impression that you believe that the people at Paramount are…unaware of all this. Incompetent individuals who need to come read these boards (more often).”

Actually, this is pretty close to my view. However, I would not say “incompetent”…I would just say that they have mistakenly let JJ call the shots with his preference for ultra-secrecy, which has caused them to leave their common sense at the door for this marketing effort.

545. Bob Tompkins - October 8, 2012

Meh.
Much ado about essentially nothing.
Looks like maybe Kirk lit Spock’s fart as someone so aptly stated.

546. MJ - October 9, 2012

That would be funny if I was 8 years old.

547. Aurore - October 9, 2012

“You do realize that Ricardo Montalban was Hispanic, right?”
______

I do:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b1xi414MLI
( Part I )

In my opinion, the whole interview is worth watching, but, what he says in Part I at 18:44. As well as in Part II, at 11: 31, is , I think, interesting.
In part II, he also speaks of Khan at 20:13:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LRublZFi14&feature=relmfu
( Part II )

I obviously disagree with what he says about Khan’s nationality, at some point.

Which is why I personally would not expect Khan to be Hispanic…or Benedict Cumberbatch were the character to appear in the sequel.

Especially not in…. 2013.

That is just my opinion. Of course.

548. MJ - October 9, 2012

Yea, but you forget, it was mid-December, and they were facing a Jan 5th filming start date, and their choice for the role, Del Toro, would not make a deal with them. So they had to scramble, and BC was so much better than the other two guys (both Hispanics, including Jordi Molla), that they had to go with him.

549. Aurore - October 9, 2012

There must have been a reason why “they” initially were intent on casting Hispanic actors.

All four of them, if I remember correctly.

I don’t believe this insistence that their villain be Hispanic had anything to do with Khan Noonien Singh.

550. JansonTycho - October 9, 2012

@414

Hey Chris, are you returning to the Enterprise in this movie?? :D

551. dmat - October 9, 2012

@boborci

Happiness tip of the day from the Greater Good Institute at U Berkeley (that is not a joke!):

“The sheer number of positive emotions we experience relative to negative ones affects how happy we are generally; for that reason, excitement about future events can be a great source of positive emotions. Studies show that positive anticipation can bring us as much or more pleasure than the actual event itself.”

So yeah, anticipation has a huge impact on interest and excitement, so keep us anticipating! But, keep us anticipating! Because lulls like we have had for the past couple months reduce that anticipation!! So…

anticipation = more pleasure
sheer number = more happiness

Therefore, science is telling you to send us more tidbits and hints and suggestions to keep us anticipating and happy! Just don’t make the information or the fact that it is only tasters too obvious! It’s that easy! :D

Plus, Spock = science, so this post is perfectly logical to boot!

552. Lee - October 9, 2012

I just figured that I’d add this: “Having is not so pleasing a thing as wanting; It is not logical, but it is often true.”

553. Montreal_Paul - October 9, 2012

548. MJ

It was only reported that the other two actors were being thought about for the role, nothing was confirmed. I believe it was all speculation at the time because of Del Toro. The fans instantly thought “Khan” and I am thinking that JJ & gang decided to roll with it to throw people off on who he would really be playing.

Yes, I know that Bob said it wasn’t going to be Mitchell. But he also said,
“…Think along the likes of Harry Mudd, or Trelane, or Gary Mitchell, or the Talosians or the Horta. Actually, it’s one of those that I named.”

So, he was obviously not telling the truth at some point… but which was a lie?

554. boborci - October 9, 2012

MJ

I have never posted as anyone but myself. Ever.

555. gary neumann - October 9, 2012

There u go!

556. The Quickening - October 9, 2012

#502

To keep the total overall cost down and maximize as much profit as possible. TREK movies make good money, but the returns have never been gargantuan enough to justify huge amounts spent on marketing and advertising as well as production cost as other franchises do regularly. Plus, the mystery of why TREK films don’t work in the global film marketplace still persist and hasn’t been solved. If ST ’09 had made 500 to 600 million, it would make more sense. Now, it’s a bit of a gamble. I wish them luck.

557. The Quickening - October 9, 2012

#503

More skeptical, than paranoid.

558. The Quickening - October 9, 2012

#505

Interesting in that it’s about the new film and maybe of interest to others.

559. Aurore - October 9, 2012

Unless he was being creative with the facts, or joking…or both, Mr. Orci once said that he did not recall ever authoring the list some seem to have attributed to him, at times ( post 78 ):

http://trekmovie.com/2011/12/12/simon-pegg-says-he-knows-star-trek-2-story-more-villain-rumors/

The list seemed to be from another “source”:

http://trekmovie.com/2010/10/25/rumor-no-khan-for-star-trek-sequel-but-known-tos-villain/

560. Montreal_Paul - October 9, 2012

559. Aurore

Did you notice that on the second link, the picture of Lockwood as Mitchell looks a bit like Del Toro?

561. Aurore - October 9, 2012

“Did you notice that on the second link, the picture of Lockwood as Mitchell looks a bit like Del Toro?”
______

On another site, a fan made a similar observation…with photos of both actors side-by-side to make his/ her point.

The same was done with Miss Eve and Sally Kellerman….

The “results” were interesting, to say the least.

(But, I honestly don’t know who Miss Eve and Mr Cumberbatch will portray.They could be anyone, I believe)

562. Montreal_Paul - October 9, 2012

561. Aurore

Would you have a link to those side by sides? I would love to see them.

563. The Last Vulcan - October 9, 2012

Respectfully if I’m wrong, but I’ll eat a barrel of Gak if this guy is boborci. I think we’re still being gamed in this forum and Anthony is very regrettably doing NOTHING about it as the credibility of his site plummets to abysmal levels.

564. MONGO - October 9, 2012

Someone want Mongo opinion on 3 frame movie trailer teaser clip? Mongo grace with viewpoint:

What happening? Mongo hope this Strange New World exploring. Mongo hoping that Spock mans be Seeking New Life and New Civilizations. Mongo hope they Boldly Go Where No Man Has Gone Before. Mongo hope movie explore humanity (even if Mongo only tangentially member of it).

Mongo eager. So far.

565. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 9, 2012

#540 – I have noticed that Bob Orci seems to be a little unpredictable, as in not always commenting when you expect or hope and then, at other times, commenting, giving a reply when you least expect it…:)

566. Chris Doohan - October 9, 2012

563

Star eating. It’s Bob.

Gak is tolerable with a little chipotle sauce

567. The Last Vulcan - October 9, 2012

@566: Ok, fair enough, coming from you I believe it so I’m eating. Do you have any Romulan ale to wash down those wriggly worms? :)

568. Bob Tompkins - October 9, 2012

Bob Orci makes it sound as if JJ Abrams lives, eats, and breathes Star Trek. Let’s not forget we are waiting 4 years between movies and Mr. Abrams has had literally dozens of projects between Trek movies.
I would agree that when he decides to devote his energies to a Star Trek movie, he does indeed work hard.
I maintain that the Star Trek Franchise is best served when it has a full time keeper of the flame who oversees every detail with no distractions. Further, these caretakers need to be changed periodically lest they burn out as Rick Berman and Brannon Braga did.
I appreciate JJ Abrams’ hard work.
It’s just that he’s spread a mite too thin to handle something like Star Trek in a timely manner—-in my humble opinion.

569. Bob Tompkins - October 9, 2012

365- Even in the days before the internet I knew- pre- release- that Spock was going to die in Star Trek 2 and that Kirk was going to find a long- lost son.
I knew that the Enterprise was going down in flames in Star Trek 3.
I knew that Star Trek 5 was in trouble with its script and budget and it was supposed to be about a search for god.
I knew all about Star Trek 6 pre-release since I read the novelization which was released 2 weeks before the movie to spur its sales- and it did not bother me at all.
Being spoiled does not affect my enjoyment of seeing it on the big screen. Many others feel the same.
It’s like Shakespeare. Having read it and knowing about it beforehand does not have any effect on my enjoyment of a performance of it.
This type of paranoid secrecy is overrated and smacks of a lack of absolute confidence in what you are doing. Why do you think that studios that know they have a bomb on their hands don’t screen it for the critics?

570. Bob Tompkins - October 9, 2012

I will be very disappointed if Cumberbatch turns out to be Gary Mitchell as is the current rumor, because I was told the comics are done with the input of the producers and are canonical.
The comic has already dealt with Gary Mitchell— unless they spend the first half of the movie rehashing the comic, which would be an utter waste.

571. Bob Tompkins - October 9, 2012

Easy explanation for Khan’s ethnicity. He’s half Hispanic on mom’s side, was raised Hispanic in his early years but became a Sikh at his father’s urging as a young man after his language and accent became ingrained.

572. MJ - October 9, 2012

@569 “365- Even in the days before the internet I knew- pre- release- that Spock was going to die in Star Trek 2 and that Kirk was going to find a long- lost son. I knew that the Enterprise was going down in flames in Star Trek 3. I knew that Star Trek 5 was in trouble with its script and budget and it was supposed to be about a search for god.
I knew all about Star Trek 6 pre-release since I read the novelization which was released 2 weeks before the movie to spur its sales- and it did not bother me at all. Being spoiled does not affect my enjoyment of seeing it on the big screen. Many others feel the same. It’s like Shakespeare. Having read it and knowing about it beforehand does not have any effect on my enjoyment of a performance of it. This type of paranoid secrecy is overrated and smacks of a lack of absolute confidence in what you are doing. Why do you think that studios that know they have a bomb on their hands don’t screen it for the critics?”

I AGREE 100%

WELL SAID, BOB !!!

573. MJ - October 9, 2012

“Easy explanation for Khan’s ethnicity. He’s half Hispanic on mom’s side, was raised Hispanic in his early years but became a Sikh at his father’s urging as a young man after his language and accent became ingrained.”

Or how about this. Ricardo Montelban, who happened to be Hispanic, was cast to play the role of someone of Indian heritage. BFD — get over it, folks — these are actors! Last time I checked Johnny Depp is playing Tonto in The Long Ranger, and I don’t hear anyone complaining about that. And female Katee Sackoff out Starbucked male Dirk Benedict for my money. These are actors playing roles of MADE-UP people, folks. So leave your social justice scorecards at home, please.

574. MJ - October 9, 2012

@570 “Bob Orci makes it sound as if JJ Abrams lives, eats, and breathes Star Trek. Let’s not forget we are waiting 4 years between movies and Mr. Abrams has had literally dozens of projects between Trek movies.”

Yea, Orci was overly melodramatic about that. If Star Trek is that important to JJ, then why does he pretty much go out of his way to avoid us fans?

575. Jack - October 9, 2012

569. Okay, well, we’re in different camps then. I really didn’t want to know any of that stuff — and, once it’s out there, it’s impossible to avoid

My best Trek experience was when I was in university and, after years of obsessively tracking down everything Trek, I had no time to follow it, apart from watching TNG on Friday nights with the other geeky guys in the crappy TV in our dorm. And one Friday, there was a commercial for Star Trek VI (which showed Kirk being evaporated) and I’d had no idea they were even making it — and it was exciting as f*ck. it was early, about a month before,, and then there was Unification.

I get that some people want to know a bunch in and they’re pissed off — me, I really don’t.

Fine, be annoyed tat they haven’t given you what you think you deserve, or what previous Treks did. What pisses me off are these pronouncements that it’s going to bomb or taht they’re doing it because they know it will tank. The exact same arguments were made up until the day of release here last time. No, not releasing tonnes of details 7 months in advance is not the same as not screening it for critics.

576. K-7 - October 9, 2012

“It’s like Shakespeare. Having read it and knowing about it beforehand does not have any effect on my enjoyment of a performance of it.”

Exactly. In relation to this, I still don’t get the attitude from folks like Montreal Paul who were even complaining about advance information on The Hobbit movie, which is based on a story that has been out for 75 freaking years now! I mean, yeas, we see some stills and trailers showing events that we know are in the story. So???

577. anon - October 9, 2012

@574. Maybe JJ avoids the fans because so many of them are f-cking a–holes and he doesn’t want to put up with the bulls-it. I know I would not want to if I was JJ or Bob and I read even a few of the comments from so-called fans on websites like this and others. Most likely the blame for the disconnect between JJ and the fanbase can be laid right at the feet of the fans, you know people like you jacka–es on here.

578. Montreal_Paul - October 9, 2012

576. K-7

Let me make this clear to you because I had explained it to you twice before. Let me do it one last time. If you had actually read my replies to both you and Ryan, you would have seen I wasn’t saying that it was going to ruin the surprise of how it ends. Duh, I read the freakin’ books in high school. I was saying that I was tired of seeing article after article – post after post of his diaries – still shot, footage, you name it.

Having seen all that, I said it makes me not want to see the movie now because I have be inundated with so much information about it.

IF you had read my posts, you would have seen I was showing a juxtaposition with JJ’s lack of footage, stills, information, what-not. One extreme to another. But, with not being inundated with info about Trek, I am not getting tired of information overload.

Do you finally understand K7????

579. Aurore - October 9, 2012

“Would you have a link to those side by sides? I would love to see them.”
____________

Links if authorized, here:

Benicio Del Toro/ Gary Lockwood:
http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?p=6613579

Miss Eve/ Miss Kellerman:
http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=182078&page=2

580. Jack - October 9, 2012

“It’s like Shakespeare. Having read it and knowing about it beforehand does not have any effect on my enjoyment of a performance of it.””

Yeah, but this isn’t,, of course, (hopefully, anyway) a story we’ve seen before — learning the details out of context would spoil it for me. I’d still watch the thing and still like it, but, me, I like going in as cold as possible. I’d read the novelizations befre seeng most movies in the ’80s and early 90s and the movies were always disappoint?

And even if it’s something where you know the story — like The Hobbit, say — you can still be amazed and suprised by how it’s done, and by seeing fresh takes on things. I’d rather see say, ents, or dragons or what have you for the first time on screen and in cntext as opposed to in a bunch of Images on a website.

Heck, I wish I hadn’t seen the Enterprise or its bridge in those couple of so-so stills that were let out before Trek 09.

I suppose I could avoid newspapers, TV, talking to friends, leaving the house and using the Interrnet for a few months to avoid learning things like, say, Spock dying in the end… which becomes mainstream news instantly. I just appreciate the effort going into keeping the secrets of the plot, well, secret and in context.

Yes, some people (like you) like knowing info and some (like me) don’t.

Would you like a movie less not knowing anything in advance?

Would you guys be complaining about say, the secrecy of the Harry Potter books?

and I really do wonder if, when it comes to marketing, you really can damage a film’s potential success with too many spoilers — what’s the point of seeing it if you knew everything about it 7 months before?

I still remember not wanting to see Castaway because I’d seen the entire movie in the trailer.

Yeah, you have to have enough to tease and get people excited — and enough to give a sense of the experience awaiting them. Or at least the premise and an opening scene… Me, i hate when — like in Prometheus — i can more or less figure out the whole plot from the trailer. Avengers did a good job with this. Cabin in the Woods did a great job with this (and a few folks on here complained because they couldn’t figure out where it was going).

I know, I know, a lot of people say they don’t want spoilers, just some preliminary information, but it keeps coming back to arguments like “well, I knew everything going into (TWOK, whatever) and I didn’t enjoy it any less”.

581. Jack - October 9, 2012

By the way, I don’t expect us to not know who these characters are, or at least their names, by opening night (or even weeks in advance)…

It would be great, though…

Again, we went into TDKR not really knowing plot-twisty details about at least two characters… Sure, we had a couple of names a year in advance, but we didn’t have any real sense of how they fit into things or what their fates in the movie might be… we had a good sense of the set-up, though, and of teh first 15 minutes of the movie or so.

PS. MJ, what’s the attraction in seeing “making of” footage before you see the movie?

I’m trying to remember if I saw the making-of Star Wars stuff on TV before I actually saw Star Wars… the first ine, anyway. By the second, there were definately p lenty of secrets.

I’m trying to think of a great film which had a huge twist that audiences didn’t see coming….

582. MJ - October 9, 2012

“I’m trying to think of a great film which had a huge twist that audiences didn’t see coming….”

Luke, I am your father…..I NEVER SAW THAT COMING AT THE TIME I SAW ESB ON OPENING DAY

583. Harry Ballz - October 9, 2012

551. dmat “anticipation has a huge impact on interest and excitement, so keep us anticipating”

I think some of us here are suffering from PREMATURE ANTICIPATION!!

584. Jack - October 9, 2012

583. Wow. I think I’d read the damned novel, so I knew… and told everybody else at school and didn’t understand why people were pissed off. “Well, you would have found it out eventually anyway,” was my argument.

Clearly, this shaped my current views on this ;)

585. Daoud - October 9, 2012

Soylent Green is people.
Darth Vader is the darkside, father of Luke.
Rosebud is a sled.
Looper shoots himself to end the loop.
Garth (Cumberbatch) is a shapeshifting Izaran Federation Starship Captain who awakens the Botany Bay crew and kills Khan (Gatt’s role). Eve is Dr. Dehner, CMO on the Exeter, commanded by Ron Tracey (Peter Weller, CO of his own ship). The Exeter is sent after Garth first. Enterprise second. Dehner is McCoy’s ex-wife, the one who left him with no more than his bones. Exeter and Enterprise are heavily damaged, the Exeter crew that survives comes over to Enterprise.
.
How much more do we want to know?

586. MJ - October 9, 2012

Now I get it Jack. Hadn’t seen Looper yet but Daoud just ruined the ending for me.

587. Montreal_Paul - October 9, 2012

579. Aurore

Thanks for the links, Aurore. It really is uncanny how much Del Toro looks like Lockwood and Alice Eve like Sally Kellerman!

588. Montreal_Paul - October 9, 2012

585. Daoud

You forgot:
“Oh my God. I’m back. I’m home. All the time, it was… We finally really did it.
You Maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!”

Anyone know where that is from? ;)

589. THX-1138 - October 9, 2012

Has it ever occurred to anyone here that if you don’t don’t like behind the scenes pics or any spoilery materials that you don’t have to look at them? And then that way the people that like that stuff could view it at leisure?

Of course my argument get’s blown out of the water when Daoud pulls a douche-bag move like that. Way to go.

590. Keyser Soze - October 9, 2012

Paul: And even that shot got released on a poster! But it was fun to see Taylor discover it, even though we knew he was going to.
.
THX et al: In article about spoilers for STID…. a bunch of made up stuff isn’t exactly construable as a spoiler?

591. Chris - October 9, 2012

Really? -_-

Well, I don’t really care for the reboot or the sequel, they don’t given me the same level of thrill as previous incarnations of Star Trek… I’d love a TOS movie before the TMP era, but this alternate reality leaves much to be desired…

592. Michael Hall - October 9, 2012

“289. Are you purposely being dense? The nearly two years that it takes to make each movie, for a total of close to 4 years. Those are the years I’m talking about. You think these movies prep, shoot, and edit themselves? He has worked on Star Trek as long as you were in high school.”

Gee, thanks for explaining that one for me, Mr. Orci. Your original point, however, was that Mr. Abrams (a very talented and splended person, it goes without saying) has spent an inordinate amount of time producing good Star Trek. Having seen no evidence for this, I was only making the fairly obvious (if snarky) point of wondering just when he had done so–but then it never surprises me anymore, that reasonably intelligent people can be incredibly obtuse when it suits their own purposes.

That said, I make no judgements on what’s to come next year, continue to hope for the best, and wish the project and its participants (that would include you, sir) well. I just wish I could look forward to a Trek film at this point with half as much enthusiasm I have for seeing THE MASTER, say, or CLOUD ATLAS. But 2009 was just that much of a letdown for me, sorry.

593. THX-1138 - October 9, 2012

Keyser Soze

The majority of Daoud’s examples were true (i.e. Soylent Green, Darth Vader, and Rosebud). I am referring to his Looper comment, a movie I have not seen yet. How is one to discern whether that is a fake spoiler or the real deal?

As for STID, I don’t actually care.

594. Jack - October 9, 2012

590. Yep – the poster gave it away. The first time I saw it on TV as a kid, the station cut to the 11-o’clock news right before they showed the Statue of Liberty — so I was a little confused… I’d known it was the future because I remembered people saying it, but I wasn’t sure HOW they knew it ;).

595. dmduncan - October 9, 2012

588. Montreal_Paul – October 9, 2012

Watched it recently. Still a really good movie.

596. dmduncan - October 9, 2012

592: ” Your original point, however, was that Mr. Abrams (a very talented and splended person, it goes without saying) has spent an inordinate amount of time producing good Star Trek. Having seen no evidence for this, I was only making the fairly obvious (if snarky) point of wondering just when he had done so”

Come on, Michael. You can’t really expect Bob and JJ to have YOUR opinion of THEIR work. You may not think so, but they, I, and many fans here all thought that what they did was good Star Trek.

597. MJ - October 9, 2012

That is an unnecessary cheap shot, Michael Hall.

598. Gary S. - October 9, 2012

Add me as another who thought JJ & Co. produced good Star Trek in 2009.

599. Jack - October 9, 2012

586. It’s totally not what happens in Looper, er, really…

600. Harry Ballz - October 9, 2012

600 posts and what do we know?

NUTHIN’!!!

C’mon, Bob, throw us a crumb!

(us loyals deserve something)

601. Jack - October 9, 2012

592. Not inordinate — just a big chunk of time making the things.

602. Don F. - October 9, 2012

WeII, I guess Orci is right. We average people do not have a marketing play book. We are simply the poor saps that fork over the money to watch his brilliant ” marketing” o, I am sorry “writing” so that he and all the creative people can become part of the one percent. Far be it from us to have an opinion concerning being jerked around so that we will be more egar to pay for the privilege of watching his genius on screen. I guess we have to love the brilliant creative people, especially when they jerk us around and pet us on the head and remind us how small are our thoughts and ways. Well at least our money matters? I am a longtime Star Trek fan, but, I think I will skip this movie.

603. DeShonn Steinblatt - October 9, 2012

597.

Not to worry. After Romney throws him off disability fraud, he won’t have nearly as much free time to devote to being this site’s premier a$$hole.

604. Red Dead Ryan - October 9, 2012

Isn’t Michael Hall some sort of serial killer or something? :-)

605. somethoughts - October 9, 2012

Im guessing they will have a big super bowl trailer and by then interactive into darkness website. I miss seeing big starships on screen 70-80s style.

606. Boborci - October 9, 2012

602. Don F

Dont mean to sound like I am talking down to you, but let’s get real. Are you truly complaining along with those who are arguing that we are not advertising enough to you? Is that truly your gripe?

607. MJ - October 9, 2012

Bob, while I don’t agree with what Don F says, this illustrates he devolution of the fan-base which is starting to occur based on JJ’s extremist and unprecedented information blackout for this Star Trek movie. Unless you guys staring throwing us a few bones soon, I expect that Don F’s comments will look like complements in comparison to what you are going to hear from some fans by Thanksgiving.

Get a strong umbrella Bob, because the shitstorm is just beginning, and I am going to sound like a force of moderation soon compared to what you are going to be receiving soon from the Don F’s of fandom.

608. Don F. - October 9, 2012

606

My concern is that if you choose a marketing course designed to entice people to spend money to watch your work, then why complain when people decide that your course does not suit them. We are not movie makers, true. However, we none movie makers are the people who watch, review, and make comments concerning the work put into the public domain. I was going to go see the film, but when it appears that film makers have a hint of “we know better” just let us melt you minds, I take a moment of pause. This applies even to the publicity work leading up to the film. It is the public domain and subject to public review and comment. The publicity will either entice people to spend money to see the film or it turn people off. If people are turned off, then has the work been effective?

609. USS Enterprise B - October 9, 2012

Hey Bob, I just wanted to say I am loving the 3 frames and the title! I have been following the announcements of this film very closely here on TrekMovie over the last few years and Star Trek is my life and you are my hero! Looking forward to more announcements about this film in the coming months… I believe in you guys! :)

610. Jack - October 9, 2012

Marketing isn’t meant for people who’ve already decided to purchase a product the second it came out.

611. Jack - October 9, 2012

… er, comes out.

612. Boborci - October 9, 2012

609 uss

Thanks! We are working hard to finish!

613. USS Enterprise B - October 9, 2012

Also I am a graduate of film school with an emphasis in Post-Production – Editing, so I am familiar with some of the work you guys have to do in post right now and I totally understand how long it takes. I have a few small film projects myself that are taking a while to finish up because of the editing, sound, vfx, color correction, etc. Just moved here to LA to start my career… ;)

614. jesustrek - October 9, 2012

Bob….a picture is not enough…TEASER,TEASER,TEASER…” I’m hungry TREK “.

I suppose you took a ‘captain’ (more Trekkie) in the group of writers, really do not trust Lindelof, then not work on Prometheus.

Saludos.

615. somethoughts - October 9, 2012

Awesome bob, always appreciate your interaction with us!

616. boborci - October 9, 2012

Don F. I appreciate you taking the time to opine.

617. Vultan - October 9, 2012

Well, I’m sorry to report I’m not offended one way or another (check the Weather Channel to see if hell has frozen over, yes, I know). But all I wanted to hear was the title and I’ve gotten that much.

So thanks to Mr. Orci and the rest of the crew, and good luck with finishing the movie.

Cheers.

618. Vultan - October 9, 2012

Vultan is being nice. Now something is definitely wrong in the land of Trek. ;)

619. Michael Hall - October 9, 2012

@ 596 dmduncan–

“Come on, Michael. You can’t really expect Bob and JJ to have YOUR opinion of THEIR work. You may not think so, but they, I, and many fans here all thought that what they did was good Star Trek.”

Whatever gave you the impresion that this posting (or any other) of mine was meant to represent the opinions of anyone but myself, let alone that of Mr. Abrams or Bob Orci?

@ 597 MJ–

“That is an unnecessary cheap shot, Michael Hall.”

You mean, when I wished Mr. Orci and the film well? How so?

@ 603 Something calling itself DeShonn Steinblatt–

“Not to worry. After Romney throws him off disability fraud, he won’t have nearly as much free time to devote to being this site’s premier a$$hole.”

Sorry to disappoint, but I’ve never cashed a disabiltiy check in my life, fraudulent or otherwise. Such a characterization would somewhat apply to my father, though, who came back from Korea 100% disabled and consequently received a reasonable stipend and medical benefits from the V.A. for the remainder of his life. Which would render him, no doubt, in the view of Romney/Ryan and most of the Republican Party (including your own precious self) a leech, a parasite, one of the 47% takers-not-makers. You sad, sick, sorry, pathetic excuse for a human being.

620. MJ - October 9, 2012

Michael, I gotta say, your last response above is the greatest comeback response ever on this site. And God Bless your dad and thank him for me for his service. MJ

621. South African Dude - October 9, 2012

K7 – Really, come now, do you still consider all Germans to be Nazi’s. Very sad indeed. Does your country have such a proud history? Or such a beautiful international reputation, currenly…? Very sad, fooitog.

622. Vultan - October 9, 2012

#619

Well put, sir!

623. K-7 - October 9, 2012

South African Dude — well your approval of the secrecy and calling everyone pussies just reminded me of the way many of the elite in South Africa behaved most of the last century. Maybe its just me, but if I labeled myself being from South Africa, I’d be a letter more sensitive to attacking entire groups of fans here, give the history and all of your country.

624. K-7 - October 10, 2012

Bob Orci,

Hawaii Five-O finished third again! JJ’s Revolution show is first again among 18-49 year olds. Dude, he is spanking you and Kurtman badly here — is this a bit embarrassing for you guys at the Bad Robot Water Cooler? Does JJ tease you guys about it? ;-)

Seriously, what is the get well plan for the show?

625. Boborci - October 10, 2012

624 U might wana check your numbers again;)

626. Montreal_Paul - October 10, 2012

572. MJ
“It’s like Shakespeare. Having read it and knowing about it beforehand does not have any effect on my enjoyment of a performance of it.”

Let me ask you this, where was your excitement higher… The first time you read Shakespeare… or the first time you saw a performance of it after reading it?

627. K-7 - October 10, 2012

NBC Revolution 3.0 8 8.01
ABC Castle 2.2 6 10.61
CBS Hawaii Five-0 1.9 5 8.39

The first two numbers are the key 18-49 demographic — the rating and the share. The last number is total viewership.

I grant you that gramps and his friends watch the show based on the third number enough for you to finish 2nd in viewership, but the first two numbers clearly show what I said — Hawaii Five-O finished 3rd again in the key 18-49 demographic, with Revolution winning this measure easily over both your show and Castle.

628. Elias Javalis - October 10, 2012

They re trying to protect the franchise alright..And i ll say it…If I was where Orci and Abrams stand, i would take the steps they take…Plus i wouldnt be as open as Bob is,,,(and i admire him for being a kind and a conversational guy) ,i would say..hey people , dont like my attitude? Dont see it then on ’13…Plain and simple!!

629. TrekMadeMeWonder - October 10, 2012

600. Harry Ballz

I am with Harry on this one.

CRUMB!

CRUMB!

CRUMB!

CRUMB!

630. star trackie - October 10, 2012

Hello Mr. Orci,

Is there anyone I can email at CBS to express my support for Hawaii Five-O staying on the air? I am a huge fan of your show, and am thinking that we could start a email or web campaign to save the show?

631. boborci - October 10, 2012

627 You have the wrong numbers. Sorry.

632. steve - October 10, 2012

Trek fans need to understand and accept that everything the JJ-led Trek crew is doing has to be geared towards the MAINSTREAM audience, not specifically to the Trek fans. Because look at the result of the Rick-Berman-led years of Trek management. The franchise got so self-enclosed, so obsessed with internal continuity and realistic-sounding Treknobabble, that it completely turned off the mainstream public. Which is why each movie made successively less money, and each TV series drew a diminishing number of viewers. To me it’s just a fascinating contrast that the Star Wars franchise released 3 horrible movies, yet still drew in billions of viewers, while Trek was viewed by the masses as just a “fringe” element.

So JJ and company pulled off a MIRACLE with their movie that was almost universally praised by the mainstream critics and moviegoers. Their marketing campaign worked last time, so let’s trust them to pull it off again (if anything, their real remaining challenge at this point is to grow the international audience, not the domestic one). Trek fans may want something now, but you know we’re going to see the movie anyway. Meaning we shouldn’t be the focus of the marketing campaign. So let these guys do their job, and just relax.

633. Daoud - October 10, 2012

The adjusted Nielsen ratings from Monday are easily found:

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2012/10/09/monday-final-ratings-the-voice-dwts-adjusted-up-90210-revolution-partners-2-broke-girls-mike-molly-hawaii-five-0-and-how-i-met-your-mother-adjusted-down/152108/

If you’ve got other numbers, Bob… where are they?

634. BulletInTheFace - October 10, 2012

Alright, I’ve been giving this some thought, and I’ve decided you guys are right… this site is all but dead now. Why? I don’t know. I don’t think Anthony owes me or anyone else anything, and I consider anyone who does think that to be out of touch with reality. However, it would be ridiculous, at this point, for me to continue getting annoyed when I read the complaints about it. The simple truth is, this site HAS become irrelevant. There’s no news anymore, at a time when Trekweb and Trektoday continue to post news on a regular basis. I have no problem with this site or with Anthony–as I’ve often said, this is his site, I don’t pay to come here, and he’s free to post as little or as much as he wishes. However… yeah, this site is no longer the hub it once was. And that saddens me.

635. NuFan - October 10, 2012

Does anyone really believe the fans are worried about the marketing and success of the movie? If that is true, why do the fans keep making horrible suggestions that only fans would want to see and not the public?

They just want to see stuff now.

Now, now, now!

636. Silvereyes - October 10, 2012

Bob Orci posts under “boborci”, not “Boborci”. Also, I doubt the real Bob Orci would write what this impersonator wrote in post 391. Fake boborci or Boborci, can you at least try to be credible? Stop wasting everybody’s time with your need for attention, and Anthony, I would think you would instaban these boborci impersonators (this thread and others), as you have mentionned earlier that sock puppets are not tolerated. Another sign that this site is abandoned.

637. MONGO - October 10, 2012

Yes. Sock puppet ruin credibility of site. Somehow, though, Mongo think nobody man helm of ship.

No rules.

Mongo take off shirt in pizza place. Who Mongo kid. Mongo not wearing shirt now.

638. MONGO - October 10, 2012

BTW Mongo wish to express sympathy to family of other more famous Mongo, Alex Karras mans. He nice to Webster mans and what people say he good man. Plus he good football player for Detroit Lions. Mongo think he would have been good Klingon.

R.I.P.

639. K-7 - October 10, 2012

Bob, my numbers are the “final” published ratings:

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2012/10/09/monday-final-ratings-the-voice-dwts-adjusted-up-90210-revolution-partners-2-broke-girls-mike-molly-hawaii-five-0-and-how-i-met-your-mother-adjusted-down/152108/

These numbers are the “final adjusted ratings,” as reported here.

640. MONGO - October 10, 2012

Mongo think you not actually talking to real boborci mans.

http://youtu.be/7qKcJF4fOPs

641. K-7 - October 10, 2012

Might be Mongo, as whoever this is seems to be is insistent that the publicly report final prime time ratings for Monday night are wrong, yet he/she doesn’t provide their own source or information to counter???

642. Jack - October 10, 2012

638. Alex Karras always seemed like a good guy. I was sad to see that he’d died — and that he’d been so sick.

643. Jack - October 10, 2012

BTW: Bob’s usually, in fact, Bob, no?

644. Red Shirt Diaries - October 10, 2012

Orci is probably referring to the preliminary ratings. There is a reason they call them “preliminary”. :-)

645. Jack - October 10, 2012

I hate coming across as a sychophant, apologist and defender when it comes to the guys making this thing. If it blows, I’ll be complaining.

646. steve - October 10, 2012

634, Um, a quick look at the Trektoday site shows all of the following news in the last week:

1. A new Trek hoodie is available for women.
2. A manual for Klingon Bird of Prey owners.
3. various news on other JJ TV projects
4. Another Shatner-produced documentary, this time on TNG
5. A look at Trek shirts and jammies.

Just what news relevant to the new Trek movie did they cover that we missed here?

647. K-7 - October 10, 2012

It is a bit scary that Bob either doesn’t understand how TV ratings are done, or prefers to cherry-pick preliminary ratings numbers to make his point, given he is a major play in the TV market?

Given this, it is no surprise that some of us doubt his information supporting his conspiracy theories. I mean, if he’s going to cherry-pick TV ratings to prop up his show, of course one would expect him to cherry pick information to support his crackpot conspiracy theories.

This exchange of posts with Bob has been enlightening to me into seeing how his mind works on a given issue.

648. Jack - October 10, 2012

On that Shatner TNGr thing — in an interview at least, he said was stunned to recently learn that Roddenberry had decided that, by the 24th century, humanity had evolved beyond interpersonal conflict (and contractions) … because, we’ll, that makes it pretty tough to tell good (or any) stories. So, if this thing flies, it might be an interesting take — it’ll be 90% about Shatner, but still…

649. Jack - October 10, 2012

617. Vultan. Yeah, exactly, the Conan thing confirmed the title. Which was the first official conformation I’d heard of. And it sounds better spoken than it does in my head.

Total aside, but from an interview with Ben Affleck on Argo and his career, generally:

“One of the things in the lessons I’ve learned about acting is to be really judicious, extremely careful, about the roles I take and what I do, and be even more so with directing because it’s like two years of your time.”

We seem to have this idea here that directing is just standing around yelling directions during filming, spending a few days in an editing suite and then attending premieres. It woud be cool to get a better sense of how much work really s involved in a project like this — and again, I’m not trying to apologize for these guys. It just seems like we’re all — ” writing, directing, editing and marketing — why’s it all taking so long? Why do these guys have to do stuff other than Trek?”

Sure, money. But I can’t imagine working on a very specific project (here two films) without a break or other projects to work on, for four years. I’m trying to think of other directors who have done side-projects or other projects while working on trilogies or sequels… Soderbergh?
——-

And, finally:

“635. NuFan – October 10, 2012
Does anyone really believe the fans are worried about the marketing and success of the movie? If that is true, why do the fans keep making horrible suggestions that only fans would want to see and not the public?

They just want to see stuff now.

Now, now, now!”

Yep.

650. MJ - October 10, 2012

@647 “Given this, it is no surprise that some of us doubt his information supporting his conspiracy theories. I mean, if he’s going to cherry-pick TV ratings to prop up his show, of course one would expect him to cherry pick information to support his crackpot conspiracy theories.”

Good deduction — I an inclined to agree.

PS: I doubt Hawaii Five-O will be cancelled during the season, but it is certainly not looking good right now for the long term. They might do a Season 4 just to round it out for Syndication though — that will factor in.

651. MJ - October 10, 2012

@635 “/ NuFan: Does anyone really believe the fans are worried about the marketing and success of the movie? If that is true, why do the fans keep making horrible suggestions that only fans would want to see and not the public?”

For my part, my “horrible suggestions” would be:

1. Comican Panel this past July, featuring a premiere of a simple teaser trailer

2. Series of still shots and “making of” type info (not plot details) in a major genre magazine like Empire or SciFiNow it about now (i.e. current issue).

3. Full Trailer to be shown during The Hobbit release.

That is all…BFD…this is what we usually see on Trek movies.

652. Azrael - October 10, 2012

@649. Really? After I went and posted a link to this story about Paramount confirming the title last month? I posted it in 3 different comments sections, just like this.

http://www.hitfix.com/news/paramount-confirms-star-trek-into-darkness-as-sequels-official-title

653. Jack - October 10, 2012

652. Oops. Hadn’t seen that. ;). I’d thought it was still a rumour. Cool.

654. Jack - October 10, 2012

653, i mean. Er, Azrael.

And 652, MJ — there’ve been a few ideas for “generic” (ie. no scenes from the next movie but new scenes meant solely for the teaser) teasers posted here, on different stories, that would thrill fans — but probably alienate or confuse non-fans. A short scene of Kirk coming out of the shower, polishing his boots and laying out his uniform tunic on the bed, putting it on and checking his collar — with Reporting For Duty: Stardate 2013:137 coming on screen –would thrill Trek fans, and fans of shirtlessness, maybe… and fans of gold shirts… But would it mean anything to fans, and would it give a real sense of what the next movie’s about? Or the tone of the next movie?

Actually, that would be awesome to see — I think it was Daoud who suggested it (I may have added the shower) and RDR had a cool one of showing the Enterprise in spacedock, being repaired after Trek ’09, with Pone doing the “Space, the final frontier” mission statement.

All cool. All would be awesome to see. But would they do anything to sell this movie? And is a teaser necessary to remind the audience that Trek exists? I don’t know. To me they seem pretty awesome for Trek fans, but i don’t know if they’d get average filmgoer excited.

Heck, some previous Trek movies relied so heavily on shorthand and fan famiarity in marketing (and i nwriting) that they knew they could just throw a Vulcan salute up on screen and fans would go nuts.

But the time for a generic teaser is running out/ has run out, I’d argue. it’s getting to be trailer time, and yeah, the end of the year sounds about right.

655. dmduncan - October 10, 2012

619: “Whatever gave you the impresion that this posting (or any other) of mine was meant to represent the opinions of anyone but myself, let alone that of Mr. Abrams or Bob Orci?”

Your post (592), in which you represented Bob’s opinion of his work on Star Trek with JJ (an opinion which we can infer that JJ shares with Bob):

“Your original point, however, was that Mr. Abrams…has spent an inordinate amount of time producing good Star Trek.”

656. Jack - October 10, 2012

I meant “But would it mean anything to non-fans?”

657. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 10, 2012

Michael Hall – Before Bob Orci responded to your post about the YEARS that JJ Abrams and co. have spent on making these Star Trek movies, I was about to say that, legally, at this point, JJ Abrams has spent 13 months (more than one year) working on this second movie alone. Add in that the same amount of time was likely spent on making the first one, you have at the VERY least, more than TWO YEARS. So, there are the YEARS. Of course, it is clearly evident that Abrams and co. have spent a lot more than two years working on Star Trek… It was a rude and silly question.

As for spoilers, unfortunately, people will do it. My son, Jason, blurted out something about the character of William Bell (Fringe) just as the fourth season had started screening here. I was like, “Shit, Jason. Why did you have to tell me that?” What my son told me really did not surprise me that much, given the opinion that I had already formed of William Bell, but still…

I think that JJ Abrams and co., rather than being overly paranoid and too secretive, may actually be sensitive (as opposed to just being secretive) in a positive way, to those of us who like the surprise/thrill of opening up whatever on 25 December and not getting bits & pieces of what it could through what can end up being ugly bits of torn wrapping. Of course, this also means that everyone of us get to do what is very useful and spiritually edifying – having to practice the VIRTUE of patience, hard though it can be sometimes (I’m not always very patient at all!). So, you see, this IS a silver lining in all of this.

658. Red Shirt Diaries - October 10, 2012

MJ, agreed. That is the type of info we usually get before a Trek movie, including JJ’s Star Trek 2009. For some reason, they are not giving us anything like that for STID? It is very unsettling, and it leads to fans overreacting/getting pissed off when JJ makes fun of the fans’ desire for information on the film.

659. Jack - October 10, 2012

658. It’s not just fans’ desire they’re teasing about — the press has been damned excited. The “Who’s the Villain” is the new version of 2009′s “Is Shatner in it??? Is he mad????”

And what info is the type of info that you’re agreeing that we usually get for Star Trek movies, a Comicon panel with teaser 10 months before release and an unrevealing behind-the-scenes photo shoot in Empire 7-plus months before? That’s what we’re complaining about? ;)

I just wish we’d step back and see that secrecy isn’t unprecedented in movie marketing, especially this far out. And even if it is unprecedented, in the history of film, well, so what?

660. MJ - October 10, 2012

“And what info is the type of info that you’re agreeing that we usually get for Star Trek movies, a Comicon panel with teaser 10 months before release and an unrevealing behind-the-scenes photo shoot in Empire 7-plus months before? That’s what we’re complaining about? ;)”

Agreed, that is all we’re complaining about — it’s a very minimal need for information that should be a no-brainier for JJ an company to provide us fans with. You are correct in suggesting that this should be trivial expectation, and as such, they should be able to provide it to the fans. Glad we are on the same page here.

661. NuFan - October 10, 2012

I meant that fans make horrible suggestions for Star Trek movies that show they don’t care if it is successful, as long as they get what they want.

Also, how come if Bob Orci stands up to your insults it means he is a fake Bob Orci? That makes no sense.

662. Jack - October 10, 2012

661. But what information? That’s not actually information. It doesn’t tell you a thing about the movie, and is of the same quality as actors saying “thos is the best one yet!”

So, basically, sounds like you’re insulted that they’re not following tradition/convention.

663. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 10, 2012

Jack – those of us, albeit possibly in a minority, who would like nothing better than to see a Pine/Kirk step out of the shower in his truly natural awesome glory (head to foot for at least 5 secs), should not be ignored. We matter, matter, matter too and I, for one, want to see it now, now, now, so I am demanding that Paramount/Bad Robot present this scene as part of a trailer forthwith.

Of course, if you do not already have such a scene, then why not? Clearly, if this is the case, intolerable to me as it is, then Chris Pine needs to be brought back from England IMMEDIATELY to film a scene showing his natural awesome physicality. Frankly, I do not care that he may be filming a very important part of the Jack Ryan movie and inconvenient (and costly) it may be for everyone involved in the Jack Ryan production, the fact of the matter remains is that as a long time Star Trek/James Kirk fan and more recently Pine/Kirk fan, I have RIGHTS and I expect to see them upheld!

You owe me! Damn right!

Now – Do it! Do it! Do it!

Are you getting this, Bob Orci?
Good man!

664. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 10, 2012

@ Bob Orci – I know, here I go again. I see that People Like Us is now being seen this month in places like Turkey, Denmark, Germany etc and the UK and Ireland get to see the movie’s cinematic release on 9 November.

Please – is there any chance of Australasia getting a cinematic release of People Like Us and if so, when?

665. MJ - October 10, 2012

What is Austrailasia? Is that a state in the old Pangea republic?

Seriously, that sounds like the geographic term response to Brajalina, Jaylo or Bennifer.

You folks down under have got to come up with a better term than this? LOL

666. MJ - October 10, 2012

Jack: 661. “But what information? That’s not actually information. It doesn’t tell you a thing about the movie, and is of the same quality as actors saying “thos is the best one yet!” ”

Great, I agree. So therefore, it should be trivial for JJ to provide it to us — I agree completely with you!

667. MJ - October 10, 2012

This site is messed up — my post above shows as not being posted, not it posts later three times???????????

668. somethoughts - October 10, 2012

#651

Yup, these are my horrible suggestions also. Too bad NuFan doesnt have anything to add, good or bad.

669. NCM - October 10, 2012

610. Jack – October 9, 2012

“Marketing isn’t meant for people who’ve already decided to purchase a product the second it came out.”

…Or even before the script has been written;) Who you foolin’, Jack?

670. NCM - October 10, 2012

@619. Michael Hall – October 9, 2012:

Well said, Michael Hall.

671. Red Dead Ryan - October 10, 2012

“People Like Us” is out on DVD and Blu Ray in North America. Haven’t seen it yet though.

672. MJ - October 10, 2012

Keachick, why don’t you just buy the DVD or Blu-Ray of People Like Us. I just checked and both Region B versions are available on Ebay Australia.

673. MJ - October 10, 2012

“those of us who like the surprise/thrill of opening up whatever on 25 December and not getting bits & pieces of what it could through what can end up being ugly bits of torn wrapping.”

That is a great example, Keachick….getting the Christmas Tree weeks in advance, looking at that big box that is under the tree with your name on it for two weeks, wondering what it is…you shake it and make some guesses, but are not really sure. You also celebrate the 12 days of Christmas, each day providing an advance mini-celebration of the event.

But then there is the JJ-Orci version of Christmas. In their version, nothing happens until Christmas Eve, when you finally get the tree set up and see the wrapped presents. And to add insult to injury, three weeks before your teacher in school shows you a photo of a Christmas Tree, but laughs and says, “no, you won’t be getting one of these for quite awhile yet.” Yea, in the JJ-Orci version of Christmas, most of December sucks, and the celebration is only 1.5 days long, and then it is gone, the opportunity for three weeks of Christmas celebration is squandered away by piss-poor planning and a bad attitude.

674. DeShonn Steinblatt - October 10, 2012

619.

Could not agree more.

675. MJ - October 10, 2012

@674. Good call — taking it like a man, dude — I respect that!

676. Red Dead Ryan - October 10, 2012

#673.

So, would you consider the Supreme Court guys a bunch of Scrooges?

677. mickey MET - October 10, 2012

673. MJ – October 10, 2012
>>You also celebrate the 12 days of Christmas, each day providing an advance mini-celebration of the event.<<

Wow, I guess you really didn't know that the "12 Days of Christmas" starts on Christmas day and isn't a countdown to Christmas day. . . . Ok, now you know. . . .

I think it'd be a great way to start off the 12 Days of Christmas with a Star Trek movie in the theaters this year. . . . (my stay on topic attempt)

678. MJ - October 10, 2012

Good catch Mickey! But you get my point I think. ;-)

679. Daoud - October 11, 2012

MJ, the part about the 12 days of Christmas, is at the end, you “get an epiphany”.
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Haha.

680. TrekMadeMeWonder - October 11, 2012

659. Jack

Secrecy sucks. At least this time around.

Show us the damn ship, or at least one of them!

CRUMB!

CRUMB!

CRUMB!

CRUMB!

681. Harry Ballz - October 11, 2012

TMMW, until Bob does, I’m going to refer to the guest star as…..(wait for it)….

BENEDICT CRUMBERBATCH!!!

682. Jack - October 11, 2012

But right now it’s 7 months before Trekmas.

It would be like setting up your Christmas tree in March.

683. Red Dead Ryan - October 11, 2012

Yeah, but in my town at least, there are a couple of Christmas-themed stores open year round. :-)

684. Jack - October 11, 2012

So, wait — MJ, you want the marketing to be like an advent calender, just starting 25 days before May 17, 2013? ;)

Hopefully we’ll be able to shake the present at least 4 months before (trailer)… which would be like getting your wrapped Christmas present in August with a tiny piece missing from the wrapping…

So seriously — if you had a generic teaser back in July, 10 months before release, and a puff piece in Empire with a few photos of the cast standing around the set right now, 7 month before, you’d be content? ;)

And, yeah, the secrecy and having to wait does indeed suck, but, unless they can get me a private screening of the finished product, say, now, I prefer it to the alternative .

BTW, maybe if you’re really nice to Bob he’ll arrange a little Trekmovie screening awhile before this thing. Except that weoukd involve keeping secrets, which we can’t stand. ;) And probably spending th month before release in a bad robot work camp, somwhere far away from cell signals and the internet.

And all the folks complaining about the secrecy really just want to know who Cumberbatch et al is playing and read at least a TV Guide style “This week on Star Trek: Crew encounters crazed scientist keeping a secret, Kirk has to make a choice between love and his crew” sunopsis. Most would prefer a leaked script.

And then, of course. we’d still be complaining, like we did nonstop here until Trek 09 came out, that no matter how many stills they’d released, they hadn’t released more because they knew it would suck and it was the equivalent of not screening it for critics (and then we started complaining about how it was Star Wars and not Star Trek, and how Roddenberry’s ashes would be rolling around in space is he could see it).

Not leaking images, plot details or the script isn’t the same thing as not screening the finsihed film for critics. And we know that.

Or maybe everybody just likes having smething to complain about. When we do see the trailer — the negative comments here will start to pile up.

God, the day they put up those container cars to keep out the paparazzi, people here were ranting that JJ was keeping secrets from them and that he had no idea how to market the film and that he was keeping secrets because he knew it was going to tank.

We say we want it to be sucessful so tehre will be more Trek movies, we say we want it to be huge at teh box office, and make money in merchandising, and yet we complain because the guy’s making us see it in theatres, or because he’s saving things like, say, a book of The Art of Star Trek Into Darkness that we have to buy in the store to coincide with the release nstead of giving it all away online a year before.

Hell, I just saw a copy of Super 8 at a video store (the first video store I’ve been in since all the Blockbusters closed a year or two ago) yesterday and it boasted 2 hours of extras. How is that bad? Is he disrespecting fans of Super 8 by not giving the stuff away for free?

We complain about the secrecy…

Instead — we have intriguing spy photos, the promise of a volcano scene, a bunch of shots of the crew hanging ouround the set in different uniforms, rumours that it’s a classic Trek villain….

There’s stuff out there.

“But, Jack,” you might say, “that’s nothing, and, besides, all of that came out in spite of JJ’s unprecedented, unAmerican, borderline insane, OCD policy of secrecy.”

And to that i say: “But did it?”

685. Vultan - October 11, 2012

The preceding was part 26 in the online novella series, “Jack and the Bean-talk: Why Patience is a Virtue and Other Tales of Mental and Moral Flatulence.”

686. Montreal_Paul - October 11, 2012

684. Jack

LoL… well stated, Jack! Love it!

687. Jack - October 11, 2012

It was part 61. Of 438.

688. MJ - October 11, 2012

Sheesh, you are prolific, Jack, on your assistance that you do wan’t any information. You got enough material now to do a PhD Dissertation and why JJ and Orci’s secrecy policy is acceptable. :-)

“So seriously — if you had a generic teaser back in July, 10 months before release, and a puff piece in Empire with a few photos of the cast standing around the set right now, 7 month before, you’d be content? ;) ”

It would be something, and it would be consistent with what we get on most Trek movies in advance, and what we got on Trek 09. I would probably not be content, but I would not be complaining to this extent, week after week, and month after month, with VIRTUALLY NO OFFICIAL INFORMATION from JJ and company.

689. NCM - October 11, 2012

@ 682. Jack – October 11, 2012

“But right now it’s 7 months before Trekmas. It would be like setting up your Christmas tree in March.”

Almost precisely what I was thinking, but you put it so well, Jack.:)

I don’t wanna know too much before the movie, but I’m with HB…
CRUMBERBATCH!!!
CRUMBERBATCH!!!
CRUMBERBATCH!!!

Come on, Bob, there’s got to be a little something you can offer; you’re a creative man; you make a living ENTERTAINING people. Your loyal if not entirely commendable audience (hey, you choose your company) is withering, here!!!

690. MJ - October 11, 2012

““But right now it’s 7 months before Trekmas. It would be like setting up your Christmas tree in March.””

“Almost precisely what I was thinking, but you put it so well, Jack.:)”

Come on guys, is was an “ANAOLGY”. Not a freaking literal one-for-one date comparison. Use your brains and imagination please.

Duh! :-)

691. Harry Ballz - October 11, 2012

689. NCM

Yeah, c’mon, Bob!

Give us a hint of a clue so vague in scope that we’ll self-destruct debating the sh*t out of it!

We know how much you like it when that happens!

All we ask is that it be a small but VALID clue.

692. NCM - October 11, 2012

Come on, MJ, I’m not piling on…you gotta admit, Jack nailed it. Anyway, I feel your pain. Now, join me in asking Bob to use his “brains and imagination please,” to drop some Crumbers for us.

693. MJ - October 11, 2012

“join me in asking Bob to use his “brains and imagination please,” to drop some Crumbers for us.”

I AM ALL FOR THAT!

That sort of stuff from Orci is one of the reason’s which confirmed it was Khan for me — one of Bob’s indirect and gray area clues from way back in late 2011. He later claimed it was a typo, but I am not buying that.

694. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 11, 2012

#665 – MJ – Yes…sigh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australasia

695. Jack - October 11, 2012

688. Fair enough, MJ.

I’m trying to figure out why I’m bring such a prrsistant weirdo on this —
I understand impatience. I understand wanting info and behind the scenes atuff. I just wish folks would admit that they want a little extra something something in return for their fondness of Trek and not make these pronouncements about lousy marketing.

We’re not worried about secrecy hurting the film, we’re annoyed that we’re being treated like the rest of the audience. And, yeah, we just really, really want some fresh Trek. It’s like waiting for a cheque to come in the mail.

I’ll try really hard to shut the f&&k up about this. I guess it drives me nuts to hear. — instead of ‘I’m pissed off because I have to wait” which I can’t argue with ‘ — “This movie is going to suck/bomb! JJ hates the fans! JJ’s disrespecting the fans! I’m not going to see this f$$king movie!”

If we’re fans, shouldn’t we be hoping for awesome? ;)

696. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 11, 2012

Well, Bob could tell us whether Kirk gets laid by Alice Eve’s character…:)

697. MJ - October 11, 2012

“I guess it drives me nuts to hear. — instead of ‘I’m pissed off because I have to wait” which I can’t argue with ‘ — “This movie is going to suck/bomb! JJ hates the fans! JJ’s disrespecting the fans! I’m not going to see this f$$king movie!” ”

I hear you, Jack. The only one of the above that I do think is true is that JJ does at least mildly disrespect the fans. He disrespects the fans by not interacting with them (and instead, assigning that duty to a subordinate — Bob Orci), and essentially joining pop culture in making fun of the fans. The Conan piece certainly validate my view of JJ in this regard. Don’t get me wrong, I think he is the right guy to lead nuTrek, but also think he is a dick towards the fans.

698. MJ - October 11, 2012

@706 / Keachick. Not only that, I hear that Alice Eve’s character is a virgin when Kirk performs the deed, and the movie ends with an after-credit special scene showing an 8 year old David Marcus withing with a Protomatter Lego set.

699. Jack - October 11, 2012

697. Alright. Fair enough. ;).

700. Jack - October 11, 2012

Oops, I mean 700. MJ. Numbers come and go so quickly here.

701. Jack - October 11, 2012

@706 / Keachick. Not only that, I hear that Alice Eve’s character is a virgin when Kirk performs the deed, and the movie ends with an after-credit special scene showing an 8 year old David Marcus withing with a Protomatter Lego set.

Ha. If only it was a virgin birth… and young DM had an extremely high midichlorian count.

702. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 11, 2012

Bob Orci is a bona fide trekkie from the beginning. He grew up watching TOS re-runs and TNG and loving it and went from there… Am I correct, Bob?

JJ Abrams admits that he was not as interested in Star Trek as someone like Bob Orci has been/is and so that is why Bob is the right person to interact with fans, if he wishes. This is also the reason why it is good that Bob Orci is not only one of the writers for this Star Trek movie series, but also one of its producers. JJ Abrams needs to have the ability to delegate wisely – he can’t do everything himself – and, in this case, he has done a good job. Of course, this is assuming that Bob Orci has not, of his free will and time, decided to interact here, just because he wants to and not just because JJ says he should.

703. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 11, 2012

I think that if we want Bob to give us some valid little hints and clues about STID, then we should stop asking about who the main guest actors are playing, because that is clearly not within his power to disclose. Perhaps, carefully worded questions that require only a Yes or a No answer about a less important character or event could be done.

Come on, Bob Orci – how about it? Example -

When we first meet Noel Clarke’s character, is he married to the Nazneen Contractor’s character? Yes/No

Do they have a daughter at this stage? Yes/No

Is the “Noel Clarke family” human? Yes/No

If No, do they belong to an alien race known about in TOS? Yes/No

Does the family live on a planet? Yes/No

Do the couple work in Starfleet? Yes/No

Bob – are you able to answer any of these questions?
I hope so!

704. Jack - October 11, 2012

703. If he does, it’ll be on news sites within the next 12 hours. And probably less. ;).

705. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 11, 2012

Yeah, Jack. I see what you mean… I am just thinking/hoping that what honest answers Bob might chose to give may not be that important to the overall story and impact of the movie.

A tough one

706. MJ - October 11, 2012

@702. Keachick, I don’t disagree with anything in your post here. My post @697 does not contradict anything you said.

707. MJ - October 11, 2012

I can predict how bob will respond to these questions. You will get a single word reply, “Yes”, and then you will be left wondering what he responded to. LOL

PS: Of course, now that he will see my email here, he probably won’t do this. :-)

708. Montreal_Paul - October 11, 2012

Well, here’s a little crumb for MJ … maybe you’ll be lucky and it will come out before the movie! ;)

http://trekweb.com/articles/2012/10/11/Star-Trek-Into-Darkness-Novelization-Announced.shtml

709. Jack - October 11, 2012

705. Howdy, Keachick

This may have been noted before, but some interesting stuff, if true, on IMDB. Characters include, well, Bar Patron #2, sexy girl #1, Captain Abbott, Grasia Alien (sic), Nikichia Tomser (if that one’s a pun I haven’t figured it out) ;)

Also, there are stunt doubles for Eve, Weller and Cumberbatch…

No obviously Klingon names yet. But a couple of the actors looked Klingony. Or just large.

And Clarke was quoted in a fairly recent story somewhere, Empire maybe, saying that his character could be cut from the movie. It could be that every actor thinks he may be cut, and Clarke was speakng of that, or maybe there’s something to it. But it highlights the point that plenty could change by the time this thing is ready for release.

710. Jack - October 11, 2012

A comment from a late September 2008 story on a hot girl saying somewhere that she was playing an orion (I’m assuming this was that weak deleted scene on the DVD).

“Feh, so what else is new. How about a pic of the “E”, or a trailer date?”

So the griping is right on schedule. ;).

711. MONGO - October 11, 2012

Mongo like to point out that there as much complaining about complaining as there is complaining.

Trek fan always have something to complain about. Either it about Trek or it about each other.

So there that.

712. MJ - October 11, 2012

“Mongo like to point out that there as much complaining about complaining as there is complaining.”

Well said Mongo.

Also, I am a huge supporter of your Geico commercials!

713. OGNOM - October 11, 2012

OGNOM does notice that MONGO complaining about complainers complaining about complainers.

OGNOM not try be as clever as MONGO.

OGNOM also not as funny.

714. Jack - October 11, 2012

True.

715. Kirk:2 - October 11, 2012

The fans will see this movie in every case. The others do yet not know, it will come around. Really good strategy, Sir! Fascinating!

716. MJ - October 12, 2012

OGNOM see Jack as needing vacation

OGNOM suggest Jack have glass of wine

717. Daoud - October 12, 2012

Grasia!?!?! OMG, that’s one of the aboriginal peoples of India. So, there’s a planet named for one of the groups of Indians who predate the Dravidian and Indo-European/Indo-Aryan groups coming in?
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That’s really really Khan-suggesting.

718. Other Guy - October 12, 2012

The science of the last Trek was bad.

An exploding star 300 light years away destroyed the Romulans?

Like they did’nt see it coming?

Hoping for better.

719. Jack - October 12, 2012

716. I thought Grasia Alien was a joke on Gracie Allen. Yours sounds way smarter.

718. “The science of the last Trek was bad.” Yep.

And, yeah, Jack needs a damned vacation. ;)

720. Red Dead Ryan - October 12, 2012

OGNOM=Mirror MONGO

#718.

Has there ever been a Trek episode or movie with GOOD science?

721. Other Guy - October 12, 2012

Yeah. The first episode!

Pehaps that’s why they are taking shelter there?

722. OGNOM - October 12, 2012

OGNOM thinks Red Dead Ryan clever boy

OGNOM think Grasia is marijuana planet

OGNOM not want to go to Grasia. OGNOM smoke way too much as boy. OGNOM now talks to this way do to effects.

723. MONGO - October 12, 2012

Mongo see what you do there. Mongo laughing.

On inside.

724. Daoud - October 12, 2012

Well, at least Bob didn’t name the character Grasia Knoll.

725. Jack - October 12, 2012

Lol. I’m guessing she’s a background alien, but who knows. The actress played “Kelvin alien” in Trek 09.

And I didn’t see Deep Roy on there… or at least I think I didn’t.

726. John from Cincinnati - October 12, 2012

The Horta makes a comeback!

727. Jack - October 12, 2012

Has Bob ever given a defence of the supernova choice — apart from some m-theory hypernova talk? Defence as in, hey, it could actually happen if/theorists now believe..

It just sounds, on the surface, like something a kid with fourth-grade science would hear and go… “Wait a minute…” I wondered if it was a case of “it’s not real, we can explain the destruction of Romulus however the hell we want…”

And they’re absolutely right. But I always wondered if there was more…

728. Red Dead Ryan - October 12, 2012

Whew!

I just finished watching the “Prometheus” special features on the Blu Ray. It was a seven-and-a-half hour long marathon. Everything was covered in detail.

The actual making-of documentary was 3 hours 40 minutes, but the branching pods add twice that to the overall running time.

Not to mention there is 35 minutes of deleted/alternate scenes.

The movie itself is still great.

729. Harry Ballz - October 12, 2012

724. Daoud “Grasia Knoll”

Me likey!!

:>)

730. dmduncan - October 12, 2012

727

I think the supernova idea was based on some gamma ray burst threats making the headlines years ago. But if Romulus was part of a binary or trinary star system, and it was heavily populated with worlds the way the ‘verse is in Firefly, then all of that could be endangered rather quickly if one of the stars went supernova.

In Firefly also, they referred to their triple star system as THE universe, shortened to “the ‘verse,” which you are not intended to take literally. So when Spock says the supernova threatens the “galaxy” in ST.09, I’m afraid too many literal-minded Star Trek fans assume “galaxy” is meant objectively when it could as easily be explained as the vernacular of the time and place.

Sometimes — frequently, I would argue — things go from absurd to sensible just by adjusting your point of view.

731. Red Dead Ryan - October 12, 2012

Well, for the folks who weren’t on Romulus or Remus when the their star went supernova, it was a wake-up call. For at least a large portion of the galaxy, the supernova WAS a threat, in that it showed what can happen in an instant.

So, while the Hobus supernova wasn’t a DIRECT threat to the rest of the galaxy, everybody obviously had to take notice, and unless they were emotionally dead, they would feel some sort of shock, and possibly fear, even though most people weren’t in any immediate danger (apart from the Romulans and Remans, who perished).

So, the galaxy ( the population, not the actual collection of stars and planets) was threatened, if not physically, then at least pyschologically and emotionally.

732. MJ - October 12, 2012

OGNOM thinks new movie need NASA science adviser.

733. MJ - October 12, 2012

Whoops!

734. MJ - October 12, 2012

LOL

735. Richard - October 12, 2012

Huge news, Enterprise is coming to blu ray next year:

https://twitter.com/Mike_Sussman/status/254345914280456192

So stoked!

736. MJ - October 12, 2012

With all due respect,

Whippdee fracking doo!

:-)

737. Azrael - October 13, 2012

@727. The official explanation, as presented in the 25th century setting of Star Trek Online (25 years or so after the Hobus Incident and the destruction of Romulus, and the disappearance of Ambassador Spock and the Nero’s ship), is that the Reman underground, in their pursuit of independence, had established a secret weapons lab in the Hobus system, where they ran extensive testing of a wide array of banned weaponry, like the Thaleron weapon carried by Shinzon’s ship, subspace weapons, and more (I played through the mission where you learn all this like 5 times to make sure I got everything). Some of these weapons were even tested in the star’s corona.

The various effects of these weapons lead directly to the disaster, the damage to subspace throughout the sector is also part of the reason for the supernova expanding at FTL speeds.

Sorry for the mini-lecture, I have put a lot of time into STO, and I like the material overall, and it does have Paramount’s stamp on it.

Anyway, be well, LLAP

738. MJ - October 13, 2012

Enough with the half ass explanations for the supernova issues please.

What really happened:

They made a couple of science mistakes in the movie.

Big deal. Trek ain’t hard scifi, so enough please with the weak apologist posts. Trek 09 was a great movie, with a couple bumbles like this. Again, so what? Let’s learn to live it.

739. dmduncan - October 13, 2012

737. Azrael – October 13, 2012

I don’t play STO but it’s interesting that they they worked on the explanation a bit more in that game.

But even without that you DO have to make a set of assumptions about the star system to say, when you are knocking the idea, that it’s absurd. And if you change those assumptions to a different set, then it’s not absurd anymore.

The ‘Verse in Firefly was a trinary star system with an abundance of habitable worlds, and in that situation, one of the stars going supernova could have threatened “the universe.’

Even when I was watching the movie I didn’t take Spock literally to mean that the entire galaxy, from farthest star to star across the diameter, was in danger by a single exploding star. It sounded like hyperbole the first time I heard it, so when I heard the criticism I thought people were joking.

Turns out they were serious.

But I experienced it exactly the same way I did the scene in TUC where Chang promises to blow Kirk “out of the stars.”

Hyperbole. Vernacular. Didn’t bother me one bit, anymore than Vickers saying they were “half a billion” miles from Earth in Prometheus, when the space scene began with a text line telling us they were about 37 LIGHT YEARS from earth.

Characters talking like we do, using loose speech and vernacular, is a GOOD thing.

740. dmduncan - October 13, 2012

No, bad science in Star Trek is sling-shotting around the sun to go into the past.

Bad science in Star Trek is Spock using a bare ruby and a 60 watt light bulb to create a powerful laser that cuts through a jail cell lock.

They weren’t specific enough in ST.09 about the number and spatial relationships of endangered worlds to make the supernova threat bad science. And since Spock’s use of the word “galaxy” did not register as literal in meaning to my mind, I did not perceive any scientific blunder.

741. somethoughts - October 13, 2012

Science fiction film is a film genre that uses science fiction: speculative, science-based depictions of phenomena that are not necessarily accepted by mainstream science, such as extraterrestrial life forms, alien worlds, extrasensory perception, and time travel, often along with futuristic elements such as spacecraft, robots, cyborgs, interstellar space travel or other technologies. Science fiction films have often been used to focus on political or social issues, and to explore philosophical issues like the human condition. In many cases, tropes derived from written science fiction may be used by filmmakers ignorant of or at best indifferent to the standards of scientific plausibility and plot logic to which written science fiction is traditionally held.

I have no issues with ST09

742. somethoughts - October 13, 2012

Funnu how you dont see people complaining about starships, aliens, teleportation, ftl, but people complain about super novas, and red matter. Give your head a shake. Its all the same thing, its sci fi in film, I loved ST09 and cant wait for into darkness and part3!!!

743. dmduncan - October 13, 2012

And it may well be that Bob and Alex INTENDED us to think that literally the entire galaxy was threatened by that one supernova. I don’t know what they were thinking.

But if they did, they saved their asses by not being uber-specific, because nothing I remember hearing or seeing in the movie REQUIRES me to posit assumptions about star systems, world numbers, and spatial relationships which would make the threat an OBVIOUSLY absurd one; one fan-supplied scenario to fill in the details, unsupported by facts in the movie or facts elsewhere in canon which they acknowledge the relevance of, is equal to another, so why automatically assume the scenarios which render the depiction absurd, instead of those — as depicted in Firefly’s universe, for example — which do not?

I don’t know much about the Romulan star system, its empire, or its other star systems, and I am not much inclined to visit fan work on the matter to settle questions which the televised or cinematic franchise leaves open.

744. dmduncan - October 13, 2012

Sound in space is bad science too. But why don’t we find that violation offensive? Because generally speaking it makes things — or we have been conditioned to expect that it makes things — more dramatic.

So there you have an example where people EXPECT bad science. They will probably crow if you don’t give it to them — if you do not choose drama over scientific accuracy.

It is contradictory to me to hold up TOS as an example that ST.09 failed to follow, AND to criticize ST.09 for doing the same things. And yet we often see those criticisms in here about ST.09.

745. ironhyde - October 13, 2012

Wow, no no no, it’s not about advertising to me. It’s not about trying to make me see the movie. I’ll see STID, because I’m a fan of Star Trek. Just the same way I saw all 3 craptastic Highlander sequels because I was a fan of the original.

This isn’t about advertising to fans or that we even care about the public knowing about the movie. It’s that I feel fans should not be treated the same as Joe Public. Joe Public can wait for the teaser trailer. Fine. But fans who come to this site EVERY SINGLE DAY, you know, we should be given a bit of fan treatment. Silly stuff. Like remember that website you guys had up for STIX? There weren’t any spoilers there. Was it really a big deal to give us a picture of each of the crew, not even taken from the movie, and little vague descriptions? How about telling us what locations you visited while shooting? I mean, could you even drop a few names of guests who we can look out for at the consoles around the ships — like Wil Wheaton did a voice for someone on the Romulan ship for 1 line… the Kirk from New Voyages appeared at a console… that inspiring professor who subsequently passed away, he was included– it was so much fun to hear about these people that were getting to sit in. Did it spoil the movie? NO. Could it have possibly ‘spoiled’ the movie? No! Give me a break! :P Frankly, I think the supreme court’s “it will spoil the movie” is a ridiculous blanket excuse for not making fans feel appreciated or welcome. Forget the advertising, forget the teaser. I want to hear about whether phasers will be firing lances or blasts! Something like a look at one of those phasers or a tricorder, or even a hypo spray, simply does not spoil a movie. All it does is interest and excite the many people here, who have been loyal to this show and it’s movies for their entire lives.

746. MJ - October 13, 2012

DM Duncan, you are way too worried about this supernova thing, dude. It was a minor mistake, and I sleep well at night still knowing that I loved Trek 09, even with that an a couple of other minor stumbles like it.

Take Star Trek II. Nebulas are not dense enough to provide cover to starships — that is a known physical fact. Does that make me stressed when I watch the end to Trek II? Of course not. Do I get so worried about it that I need to write multiple lengthy posts here trying to come up with scenarios where that one particular nebula could be more dense than usual to protect the integrity Nick Meyer’s screenplay/direction…of course not.

IT IS NOT A BIG DEAL !!! It is a Star Trek movie, not Blade Runner.

747. MJ - October 13, 2012

“This isn’t about advertising to fans or that we even care about the public knowing about the movie. It’s that I feel fans should not be treated the same as Joe Public. Joe Public can wait for the teaser trailer. Fine. But fans who come to this site EVERY SINGLE DAY, you know, we should be given a bit of fan treatment. Silly stuff. Like remember that website you guys had up for STIX? There weren’t any spoilers there. Was it really a big deal to give us a picture of each of the crew, not even taken from the movie, and little vague descriptions? How about telling us what locations you visited while shooting? I mean, could you even drop a few names of guests who we can look out for at the consoles around the ships…”

I AGREE 100 %

748. Vultan - October 13, 2012

#739

But characters aren’t supposed to all sound the same. Kirk and Bones using hyperbole to describe something is expected; they’re fully human like us. Spock on the other hand… well, he does exaggerate on occasion when it’s expedient (see TWOK), but his “threatening the galaxy” line just comes down to a peculiar, out of character moment to make the story AS BIG AND DRAMATIC AS POSSIBLE! Full on and then one more.

“This warp drive goes to eleven…”

Trek ’09 was the best Galaxy Quest movie since Galaxy Quest.

749. dmduncan - October 13, 2012

746: “DM Duncan, you are way too worried about this supernova thing, dude. It was a minor mistake, and I sleep well at night still knowing that I loved Trek 09, even with that an a couple of other minor stumbles like it.”

My “worry” levels are at 0%. At least about this stuff. This place and its concerns is a break from worrying, for me.

The truth is that we just don’t perceive things the same way. You think it was a flub, and I think Spock says what he does because his dialogue was written by two men who were thinking in exaggerated terms at the time, which isn’t the same thing.

The Milky Way is 120 light years across. It has 400 billion stars. I am positive that if Bob had been holding those numbers in his head, the word “galaxy” as he used it in the film to signify the kill zone of a single supernova somewhere in the boonies of one of it’s spiral arms, would NOT have felt like quite the right word to use if he meant the word “galaxy” literally — i.e., all 120 light years and 400 billion stars worth, and “literally” is not how I heard it. Bob’s a smart guy. So is Alex. So if they used “galaxy” it probably means they were thinking in exaggerated rather than in literal terms at the time they wrote that dialogue, and that then becomes Spock’s use of the word in the film as well.

Same thing happened with Prometheus and Vickers’ “half a billion miles” remark which Neil deGrasse Tyson chuckle-iciously took issue with on Twitter, I think it was.

So you are right, it isn’t a big deal, but that doesn’t mean we all see what happened the same way either. And clearly, use of that word is something some fans are stubbing their toes on here. For some fans it was a problem. Not for us, but for some, because that’s one of the “problems” that consistently gets mentioned when the detracting starts.

750. Vultan - October 13, 2012

I should point out that wasn’t meant as an insult. I enjoyed Galaxy Quest a lot. Looking forward to the next one.

751. dmduncan - October 13, 2012

748″ “Spock on the other hand… well, he does exaggerate on occasion when it’s expedient (see TWOK), but his “threatening the galaxy” line just comes down to a peculiar, out of character moment”

Spock is not a robot, however. He has lots of out-of-character moments, and besides that, the Spock of ST.09 is the most “human” Spock the franchise ever had, having gone through all of the experiences in the prime universe that preceded what we saw in ST.09.

But you can’t then accept that and deny his exaggerated use of language in ST.09. If it was out of character, that still does not mean it was unbelievable, because Spock DOES go off the reservation at times. Never more so than in TUC where he practically tortures Valeris for information!

For Spock, periodically going out of character is within character.

752. Vultan - October 13, 2012

#751

Rationalize it all you like. That’s what fans are best at doing. And we’ve all had many opportunities at trying to explain the many plot holes and character inconsistencies and sometimes downright bad writing throughout the movies and TV episodes. Hey, it is fun. But I’ve come to the realization that Trek—especially this version—is like a trip to the state fair: fun, goofy, stupid in places, a little smart in other places, but ultimately a good time.

You guys have a nice weekend.

753. dmduncan - October 13, 2012

Other than adding the Shatner scene, there’s only one thing I would have done differently to ST.09, which I can think of right now.

In the scene where Kirk convinces Pike that they are heading into a trap, instead of Nero waiting for the Enterprise to appear and then firing on it, I would have done it this way:

Nero gets word that another ship is warping in.

Nero would order a torpedo fired so that it anticipates where the Enterprise WILL be and it hits the Enterprise almost immediately after it comes out of warp.

Not only would this give us an insight as to how Nero so easily destroyed a fleet of starships, but it would make the point more sharply that Kirk saved the Enterprise by anticipating a trap and getting Pike to raise shields BEFORE they warped in, which they would NOT have had ANY time to do under this scenario.

As the film is, it is more difficult to explain the Enterprise being saved by the early raising of the shields, because they had plenty of time to raise them in the film after they came out of warp — as the film is presently cut.

If they get hit as soon as they come out of warp, it makes Pike’s decision to raise shields earlier absolutely crucial to saving the ship. Otherwise, the Enterprise would have fallen into the exact same trap every other ship, now destroyed, fell into. Kirk, on the Enterprise, being the difference.

I haven’t read the script so I don’t know how it reads, but this might be more of an editing and VFX issue.

754. dmduncan - October 13, 2012

752. Vultan – October 13, 2012

#751

Rationalize it all you like.

***

LOL! Just a difference in how we saw the movie, man. Can’t help it if I have a different brain and way of seeing. Maybe they’ll come out with a pill to fix me.

755. MJ - October 13, 2012

@749. Agree with you point about Orci perhaps thinking about it in that way. But the major problem is that SPOCK SAID IT. Spock is not the guy who would us an inexact term like that. Spock would have said, that it endangers this entire sector, this quadrant or something like that. Spock doesn’t generally use inaccurate words like that that leave others to interpret. If any other of the crew had said it, it would be easier to accept your view here, DM. Spock gets his science right — I just don’t generally see him saying something like that — it is out of character for him.

It was a simple science mistake that probably would have been corrected if it not were for the writers strike.

I don’t think (I could be wrong) that Trek 09 had a science advisor on it? They have used ones periodically on past movies, or at least TMP as I recall? They might want to do that again for Trek 13.

756. dmduncan - October 13, 2012

755: ” But the major problem is that SPOCK SAID IT. Spock is not the guy who would us an inexact term like that. Spock would have said, that it endangers this entire sector, this quadrant or something like that. Spock doesn’t generally use inaccurate words like that that leave others to interpret.”

You said “generally,” and I do agree with you that he generally does not do things like that. That’s also why it was so shocking to see Spock torturing Valeris in TUC, because it’s not something he generally does. But he did it, and I bought it. Sometimes Spock’s emotions do come out, and in the relevant scene in ST.09, Spock had recently witnessed the destruction of his world, and his emotionality transfers to Kirk during the mind melds, so even in the film it makes sense.

I mean, if there is any time where Spock would go out of character for a moment and not speak literally, it would be then.

So when I saw the film, it just didn’t occur to me as a flub.

I understand why people think that, but I’m just providing a different perspective because I saw it differently.

757. dmduncan - October 13, 2012

Film did have an adviser. Carolyn Porco, I believe?

758. Jack - October 13, 2012

The hyperbole bugged me in The Undiscovered Country when McCoy said Gorkon was the last hope in the universe for peace.

Bad science is one thing — and bullshit sci fi science (slingshotting around the sun, red matter, protomatter, subspace) is another…but when it’s something that seems so obviously incorrect (like Murial Hemingway breathing, screaming and falling in space in Superman IV, or said supernova) well WTF

Interestingly, there’s a recent science story on using lithium for a fusion reaction in space — and that’s what they used in WNMHGB…

Even Spock turning “singularity” into easily-for-viewer-to-get “black hole” — “they’re making a black hole in the centre of Vulcan?” seemed a bit odd, for the character — sure McCoy could have said it.

Heck, roger ebert based his whole negative review on the idea that black holes are massive collapsed stars and wouldn’t work like they do in the movie…

759. dmduncan - October 13, 2012

758. Jack – October 13, 2012

The hyperbole bugged me in The Undiscovered Country when McCoy said Gorkon was the last hope in the universe for peace.

***

You kidding me? McCoy’s character is the best repository of hyperbole in the multiverse.

Literally! ;-)

760. dmduncan - October 13, 2012

758: “Heck, roger ebert based his whole negative review on the idea that black holes are massive collapsed stars and wouldn’t work like they do in the movie…”

Roger Ebert was WRONG. That is NOT the only way to make a black hole.

761. dmduncan - October 13, 2012

Black holes come in all sizes, including micro sized ones, and not merely from collapsed stars.

I think Larry Niven once wrote a SF murder story where the murder weapon was a micro black hole.

762. dmduncan - October 13, 2012

I found an old Saturday morning kids show on Netflix called Jason of Star Command, that stars James Doohan.

In the pilot episode they find James Doohan’s character floating unconscious in space. WITHOUT A SPACE SUIT!!!!

They take him in and revive him just fine!!!!

That is the kind of stuff that makes me spew my coffee all over the screen.

763. LizardGirl - October 13, 2012

Best Out Of Character Moments of Spock:

1. “Jim! (Smiles)….”
http://www.hark.com/clips/psklnnkyfb-pleased-to-see-you-captain

2. STTMP–Spock cries tears of emotion

3. The Cage Pilot Ep.

Yeah going off topic slightly.

Zach’s Spock is unapologetic for his human side. He makes no Vulcan reasonings or excuses. Nor does he care whether people know he’s dating a human or not (blatant PDA on the transporter pad). But you might get nerve pinched or choked out for your efforts to piss him off (don’t talk trash his mom…he will end you).

With TOS Spock, there’s always an alien force or something making him emote. We may find that, as mentioned, Spock the younger may be a little bit more…human…than his older self was. Just a bit–enough to remind you that he’s quite young for a Vulcan and he IS half human. But I don’t think that’s bad. Sorry to go off on a tangent. As you were.

764. Anon - October 13, 2012

When is the movie being released? That’s all I care about.

765. Aurore - October 13, 2012

“Film did have an adviser. Carolyn Porco, I believe?”
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Indeed.

http://trekmovie.com/2008/02/11/interview-with-star-treks-new-science-advisor/

(She even found the time to interact a little bit with the fans in the comments section @10 and 89 ).

766. MJ - October 13, 2012

@760. Agree with you there. Roger Ebert is unpredictable in his old age — he has kind of gone nasty and inconsistent, in my opinion. He’s not the reviewer that he used to be.

@757 “Film did have an adviser. Carolyn Porco, I believe?”

I wonder though if she was even allowed to mark up the screenplay though, given the writer’s strike? That would explain how she didn’t impact the Supernova thing.

767. NCM - October 13, 2012

@ 751. dmduncan – October 13, 2012

“Spock…has lots of out-of-character moments, and besides that, the Spock of ST.09 is the most “human” Spock the franchise ever had, having gone through all of the experiences in the prime universe that preceded what we saw in ST.09.’

Though he’s my all-time favorite fictional character, I found Spock’s character by far the most inconsistent in TOS. I think various episode writers/directors took creative license with ‘the alien’ (perhaps also finding him to be the most interesting character). I haven’t watched TOS enough lately to give many examples, but while he shows a Vulcan smirk in some episodes, in others, you couldn’t possibly expect it. In “Is There in Truth no Beauty?”, he’s impossibly stiff and his voice is the male equivalent of the ship’s computer voice.

I’d say the most human portrayal of Spock was the smiling, loud-talker on Pike’s bridge, rather than the 2009 version. But at least both portrayals can be drawn as cannon consistent if the dots are connected to suggest that in both timelines, the character’s arch moved from one of the more emotive youth (moving from Vulcan to human spheres, indulging more human traits) to the more restrained, mature Vulcan (perhaps finding a need to rely more on Vulcan training in order to keep his cool among a human crew).

768. dmduncan - October 13, 2012

767. NCM – October 13, 2012

Well let me adjust. I probably should have said that by ST.09 Spock was at his most comfortable experiencing his human side. That showed most, I think, in TUC despite his funny retort to Kirk’s “You know something? We’re all human.”

Canon-wise, TMP is an oddball film. But in it, through V’ger, Spock dealt with his human half, and I do take the Spock of the latter films as proceeding from that experience even though, as I say, TMP is an anomaly which the Meyer films seemed to ignore completely.

Meyer may have ignored TMP, but I don’t think Leonard Nimoy did.

769. Vultan - October 13, 2012

#754

Look, it’s a bit of sloppy writing, like Khan remembering Chekov in TWOK or the mind-rape scene in TUC you mentioned. It happens. No need to get bent out of shape about it. Just calling it like it is. Meyer and Abrams like lots of DRAMA in their stories, and they use shortcuts to get there, to save time. And occasionally it makes the characters look inconsistent or silly.

770. Aurore - October 13, 2012

Regarding Carolyn Porco

“Her job? Making sure scenes like the one pictured below came out gorgeous and realistic. The misdirected Trek-rage is partly the fault of the title given to her. ‘Science Advisor’ is not quite accurate and should really be “Science Imagery Advisor”.

http://trekmovie.com/2008/02/11/interview-with-star-treks-new-science-advisor/

P.S. : I could not find an old (and very interesting, to me) article I read where she gave her opinion on the science in the movie… I might have dreamed the whole thing….Still looking though….

771. Aurore - October 13, 2012

Correction.770.

“Her job? Making sure scenes like the one pictured below came out gorgeous and realistic. The misdirected Trek-rage is partly the fault of the title given to her. ‘Science Advisor’ is not quite accurate and should really be “Science Imagery Advisor”

http://trekmovie.com/2011/03/15/science-supplemental-breathtaking-saturn-video-from-real-cassini-photos-why-carolyn-porco-was-a-great-trek-science-advisor/

( Sorry, I did not give the correct link in 770).

772. dmduncan - October 13, 2012

769

This IS my shape. I’m not bent out of it.

I just disagree with you that it’s bad science or sloppy writing. I don’t know why that is so hard to believe, particularly when I gave a couple of concrete examples of bad science and sloppy writing in TOS to distinguish it from the supernova explanation we got in ST.09.

I think you, like many fans, have this ideal Star Trek in your head, and when something happens that doesn’t fit the ideal, you throw it away as some technical or artistic failure.

Spock did something really dark in TUC which, upon reflection, makes me think it’s a good idea that Vulcans got over their ancient brutality via logic. I see no good reason to reject what I saw as sloppy writing just because I saw something from him that was different from what I saw before.

Consistency is cartoonish simplicity where realistic characters are concerned.

Leonard Nimoy, after all, was common to all those portrayals and he’s no robot either. He’s the one who made the character what it is, and he’s famously interested in the integrity of the role he played.

773. boborci - October 13, 2012

on supernova topic:

It was not a mistake —

We could have easily said, “there is a new class of BULLSHIT QUANTUM STAR that exists that no one has ever heard of in our time because it is futuristic and we never had the tech here to discover.” We CHOSE to use a common term to use it as a teachable moment even though we knew it would be criticized by nerds who think they know better.

774. boborci - October 13, 2012

And this bullshit quantum Star threatens the galaxy all at once in violation of normal relativity because quantum mechanics has proved that reality is non-local and thus its effects can be felt simultaneously across the galaxy because this special type of bullshit star is entangled in a quantum state with all matter in the galaxy that created it (OR SOME SUCH HORSESHIT).

Easy.

Instead, we have science teachers everywhere saying, “Did anyone see the latest Star Trek where they mention a Supernova? Well, yes they are destructive, and yes, if one were to go off anywhere near earth it could threaten us, but these are the true properties of a supernova in relation to the speed of light, etc… etc….” Do I get a thanks for this gift to education?

775. dmduncan - October 13, 2012

There ya go. It wasn’t a mistake, from the man himself, which explains why I didn’t PERCEIVE it as one.

776. dmduncan - October 13, 2012

Hahaha! You sound like Gene Roddenberry trying to explain stardates now, Bob.

777. Red Dead Ryan - October 13, 2012

You know, the whole “supernova threatening the entire galaxy” statement didn’t bother me. I knew it wasn’t meant literally.

Nor does Red Matter bother me. How it functions in the movie is a theoretical concept, not scientific fact.

What bothered me last time was the slapstick “numbtongue” scene. It was over-the-top silly.

Also, I found Engineer Olsen to be a total dumbass douchebag. Everytime I watch the skydiving scene, I’m always tempted to laugh at Olsen’s death. It just comes off as more slapstick. I don’t think the writers intended it to be seen that way, but I honestly can’t take the character of Olsen nor his death seriously.

I’ve always thought the idea of Redshirts dying was the result of ill-fortune, bad luck, and being in the wrong place at the wrong time. At least that’s what I got from TOS.

778. dmduncan - October 13, 2012

I loved numb-tongue and fat fingers. The slap stick in Star Trek was priceless.

779. dmduncan - October 13, 2012

I DO take Olsen seriously because I’ve known yahoos like that.

780. boborci - October 13, 2012

776. Ha! I’ll take that as a compliment.

781. dmduncan - October 13, 2012

780

Absolutely!

782. Red Dead Ryan - October 13, 2012

Apart from my two gripes, the movie is still quite splendid*, I find.

The Kelvin scene featuring Kirk’s birth is still the best part of the movie.

The second best scene is when Kirk meets Spock Prime in the cave.

The third is when Kirk and McCoy meet up.

*Splendid is one of those words that just aren’t used enough on this site, IMHO. :-)

783. Aurore - October 13, 2012

“Do I get a thanks for this gift to education?”
________

Keep dreaming.

I am not a true fan.
So, I did not care about the supernova stuff….The Delta Vega (?) stuff…The….well, you get the drift.

Thank you for bringing back my beloved crew.

784. Red Dead Ryan - October 13, 2012

#779.

I sure hope they didn’t get themselves, or anybody else, killed.

785. Red Dead Ryan - October 13, 2012

Bob, what do you think of “Prometheus” and “Super 8″? I really enjoyed those films.

786. dmduncan - October 13, 2012

The Kirk-Spock cave scene was GREAT. I always look forward to it as one of the most memorable parts of Star Trek, ever.

787. Boborci - October 13, 2012

785. Both written by hacks.

788. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 13, 2012

#747 – There were articles and photos of an important place (somewhere north of San Francisco – where scientific research is being done -similar sort of place to the Cern place in Switzerland – just can’t remember the name of the place) where some of this movie got filmed and soon after photos of many of the cast taken at Hooters once they had wrapped up principal photography at the beginning of May 2012. The film crew and cast were also back at the Budweiser factory as well this time round. I recall Benedict Cumberbatch remarking on how loud the brewery was and how the factory was fully functional in spite of the filming that went on.

It would be good if all this kind of stuff could be put together – whether it is some of the cast meeting a besotted young female fan with her family in the hotel lobby where they were staying – Chris Pine finally went and hugged the girl and then said to Simon Pegg, “Come on, Pegg!”…all the cast in the room ended up giving the girl a hug! I have seen one or two other photos on the internet showing the main Trek cast with Benedict Cumberbatch…some of them may be on people’s phone cameras and these people have put the pictures on the internet.

There have been pictures of the cast in unusual militaristic style uniforms, which have lead to all sorts of speculation. Pine and Quinto have been seen wearing grey pants with the black Starfleet undershirt…what’s with the grey pants?

They have been throwing us one or two bones now and then and we have gnawed, mumbled and grumbled and gnawed with yet more grumbling and once the teaser (if there is one), we can expect the gnawing and gnashing of teeth to start up big time, full measure… all the killjoys will be out in force!
God help the trailer!
Oh dear…sigh…:)

789. Red Dead Ryan - October 13, 2012

#787.

Hmmm……not sure if you’re the real “boborci”…

790. Vultan - October 13, 2012

Sorry, I can’t pretend this latest movie was flawless and didn’t have some questionable moments. It did. But then, so did the other movies. So it’s not that big a deal. Trek never has been fine literature, though it does have a bad habit of slipping into that deep, navel-gazing zone of self-importance like it is. And the science has always been dodgy. So let’s stop pretending it’s anything more than it is.

Trek ’09 was fun. It was silly. It had some nice references to deeper things. It was bone-headed in places. It was exciting. It had some inconsistent characterizations. The writing was all over the place. So… yeah, it was pure Original Series in that respect.

But with better effects. ;-)

791. boborci - October 13, 2012

Red Dead

it was a JOKE!

Liked Super 8, have not yet seen Prometheus. Don’t kill me John Spaitz or Damon! But I did read the script and liked it.

792. Vultan - October 13, 2012

Geez, I’m sounding like Harlan Ellison.
Frightening….

And if anyone agrees with that, I’ll sue you for libel. ;)

793. Red Dead Ryan - October 13, 2012

#791.

Sorry, I wasn’t sure if that was you or an imposter. The capital B threw me off.

:-)

794. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 13, 2012

Is the numbering of posts gone askew again or are you all busy talking to and complimenting yourselves? LOL

@boborci – When you write BULLSHIT and HORSESHIT, there is something really special and different about it!…:) I find it quite appealing, not sure why. Perhaps it is because it brings back loving memories of when I stood in freshly deposited cow dung (apparently bullshit smells a lot worse, so I’m told) after carefully missing not stepping in dried cow and bull pats. Ah yes, the rural life!

And I do agree that your gift to education is very underrated.

Keep up the good work. I look forward to another information packed, thought provoking second movie – for real.

795. boborci - October 13, 2012

Thanks ROSE!

796. Jack - October 13, 2012

“Instead, we have science teachers everywhere saying, “Did anyone see the latest Star Trek where they mention a Supernova? Well, yes they are destructive, and yes, if one were to go off anywhere near earth it could threaten us, but these are the true properties of a supernova in relation to the speed of light, etc… etc….” Do I get a thanks for this gift to education?”

Man, you guys are selfless. ;). Think of all the other possibilities for teachable moments like this…

797. boborci - October 13, 2012

Jack –

Yes, I do what I can with the terrible bad luck that I have been given in life Please cry for me, Argentina.

798. dmduncan - October 13, 2012

792, 796, 797

too funny!

799. dmduncan - October 13, 2012

So is Spock descending into a volcano with a protective suit on a metaphor for what Bob does in here? Art imitating life, maybe?

800. boborci - October 13, 2012

DM

Spock is descending into the center of a Supernova;)

I keeeeeed!!

801. dmduncan - October 13, 2012

…chewing a gumball sized piece of red matter! He opens his face plate, spits it into the core, then dives back out for cover before the explosion!

802. Aurore - October 13, 2012

….Still can’t find the article I thought I had read…Nevermind, I did find a few statements from Carolyn Porco on the last Star Trek, statements availabe online, of course. (She loved the movie).

Link, if authorized, here:
http://www.diamondskyproductions.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=9&t_id=3

On a slightly unrelated note, I wonder if she’ll have a cameo in the next movie, I know some people talked about it some time ago….

803. Daoud - October 13, 2012

As a physicist, I have no problems with Trek 2009 science. It continued the longstanding tradition of TOS having difficult-to-explain science. That’s always been the fun of it! We nitpick, sure… and then we retcon, and come up with great ideas. It’s not that hard.
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Spock used ‘galaxy’ in the metaphor sense. Romulus being destroyed would have (and did have) repercussions throughout the galaxy. The societal galaxy, not the whole physical galaxy.
.
Hobus is an adjacent system to Romulus. Could be just a few dozen light-days away. Quantum entanglement? Sure, why not. N-dimensional physics? If you want. No reason it can’t exist.
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Black holes come in all sizes. And there are probably primordial ones. And dark matter likely includes something akin to black holes. Sure, I’d have preferred the term “singularity” which can describe all sorts of situations… nonetheless… it’s no biggie.
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Delta Vega? Done retconned that months ago. Delta Vegas are navigator-speak for planetoids and small terrestrial icy planets in outer orbits that are used for momentum transfer coming out of, or into, warp. It’s the same kind of Jovian slingshot we used in the real world to accelerate the Pioneers 10 and 11, and Voyagers 1 and 2 (and 6, I guess!). Delta is standard mathspeak for change. Vega can mean “V sub e.g.a.” = “extended gravitational average velocity” or something.
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It was a good story overall. Nitpicking is great, but only when paired with retconning. That’s TOS tradition in fandom….
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Just make another good story. We can all retcon the details.

804. Jack - October 13, 2012

Ha.

It doesn’t matter what destroyed Romulus, really… it could have been the Stay-Puft marshmallow man. But I think it’s a sign of a good movie (plus, we like to think that Trek is a possible future, even when nearly all of it — aliens etc. — is invented) that I wish there weren’t moments that broke the spell.

I’d rather have that “wait, what?” than stopping the movie in its tracks to explain something that couldn’t possibly exist.. At least it wasn’t tachyons…

I’d rather have that momentum — and characters not delivering unnecessary exposition — than a bunch of technobabble filler.

We like to obsess over details — look at all the fuss here whenever auto-capitalize turns your screen name into Boborci.

805. Daoud - October 13, 2012

Nothing is really impossible anyway, just implausible.
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“Impossible is a word to be found only in the dictionary of fools.”–Napoleon Bonaparte
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“Kicked your ass.”–Wellington

806. dmduncan - October 13, 2012

Star Trek is over 2 hours long, and each time the end credits start to roll I feel like the movie went by in a flash. It never drags or becomes uninteresting.

There are no run-to-the-restroom opportunities in the movie for me.

807. MJ - October 13, 2012

“even though we knew it would be criticized by nerds who think they know better.”

Now you are irritating me, Bob. Anyone who would take a undergraduate course in Astrononmy knows how bogus a Supernova threatening the galaxy is.

Look, I’ll say it again, I don’t see this is a big deal and it did not detract from my enjoyment of the great Trek 09 movie.. But you are going to be asinine about it an try to unabashaedly defend it, dude…well, I find that kind of incredulous.

808. MJ - October 13, 2012

“Star Trek is over 2 hours long, and each time the end credits start to roll I feel like the movie went by in a flash. It never drags or becomes uninteresting.”

Agreed. It is one of the best paced movies of all time…no fat…oustanding editing.

809. MJ - October 13, 2012

@813 “Spock used ‘galaxy’ in the metaphor sense. Romulus being destroyed would have (and did have) repercussions throughout the galaxy.”

Huh? Here is the actual line from the screenplay:

“One hundred twenty-nine years from now, a star will explode, and threaten to destroy the galaxy. ”

This the exact quote. Sorry, still not buying it: “destroy the galaxy” is pretty uneqivocal in my book. I am reallly suppose to believe that that is a metaphor???

810. Harry Ballz - October 13, 2012

Bob

a few years back I asked you here how many “tingle moments” were in the first film.

You promised plenty and, boy, you didn’t disappoint!

Tell me, how many “tingle moments” are there in the sequel?

811. dmduncan - October 13, 2012

809:

No different than “He was the last best hope for peace in the universe.”

So yeah, that’s the exact quote, but the exact meaning is something else that each of us perceives, and believe me, not everyone perceives it the same way. I don’t think galaxy = 400 billion stars, 120 light years across widest diameter is threatened, when I hear it.

In TUC, for example, McCoy might as well have said “He was the last best hope for peace in the galaxy,” and “galaxy” would have been just as non literal.

812. boborci. - October 13, 2012

Sure Harry. In fact, here is one of the tingle moment scenes from Trek 2013:

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=youtube+the+tingler&mid=2166FFFA32932389ADFF2166FFFA32932389ADFF&view=detail&FORM=VIRE3

813. dmduncan - October 13, 2012

I mean, lets say that the supernova threatened a large neighborhood of stars and inhabited worlds, and that it posed an immediate threat to many of the worlds in the Romulan empire. Lets assume for the sake of argument that the supernova is one star of a trinary system, and that after it does immediate damage to many local worlds it will eventually cause even more damage on a longer timescale to some farther out, so that it is both an immediate and long term threat.

So how do you express that in dialogue?

“In one hundred years a star will explode, and threaten to destroy 30 inhabited planets between Alpha Quadrant coordinates X21047, Y45870, Z70012, and X55412, Y44710, Z28130 over 30 years.”

Screw precision. If I’m the writer, I say “galaxy.”

Just because it’s science fiction doesn’t mean it isn’t art too, and “galaxy” in this case is a term of art. Metaphor.

So they did the right thing. Bob and Alex’s instincts were on target. But if it was written by TNG writers they would have come up with something like that clunky version I wrote above, no question about it.

Very glad they did not do that, ’cause that’s the kind of crap I hated about TNG.

814. dmduncan - October 13, 2012

Ha! I liked that video.

815. Harry Ballz - October 13, 2012

812. boborci “Sure Harry. In fact, here is one of the tingle moment scenes”

Bob, you are nothing if not a smartass. I like that in a writer.

Tell me, are you the same person I’ve been emailing for many months concerning a certain screenplay?

I’m only asking here because I have no other way to corroborate it.

Please confirm by giving me the initials of said script.

816. MJ - October 14, 2012

@813. So then, taking your view, ” a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away,” is perhaps just 50 years ago, near Tau Ceti, 12 light years from earth?

;-)

817. MJ - October 14, 2012

meant @823 / DMD

818. MJ - October 14, 2012

Argo = very good movie. Felt like I was back in 1980. Old school movie making, nothing rushed, and made you think a bit.

819. boborci. - October 14, 2012

Harry,

Someone broke into my office recently and stole your screenplay. This all happened a week after Linda Bird Johnson called me out of the blue, asking me if I had received any screenplays recently that dealt with events in the 1960′s. I briefly mentioned your screenplay to her, but she feigned disinterest, and then abruptly ended the call.

820. Aurore - October 14, 2012

In 2009, I had no other choice but to wait for my DVD of Star Trek : The Future begins.

It was a pleasant experience.

For, none of the articles ( “old”, “very old”, or more recent ), comments, spoilers etc…I had come across as I was waiting, prevented me from thoroughly enjoying the movie when I finally received it.

In 2013, especially in light of what has been said so far….and, what remains to be written on the upcoming Star Trek sequel until May, part of the “fun” for me, will be to read comments and reviews while waiting for the month of…June

:)

821. Stephan - October 14, 2012

Hey Bob.

I really liked the 2009 movie. And all this red matter and supernova stuff is ok for me because you can find explanations for this if you want. For me the movie had two other problems. (althoug I really think it is a great movie afterall.)
One problem is that by the destruction of Vulcan about 6 Billion people get killed. The reaction is that Spock is shocked but everyone else still is able to joke around after that event. I think the movie is too lighthearted in that situation and everyone still behaves like this is a big adventure in spite of the tragedy of the genocide that just happened. Maybe it was a bit over the top to kill so many people because it is such a terrible event. Maybe a small vulcan colony would have worked because it is terrible after all but it is not so much over the top. I just imagine how the world of today would react if 1 million people would get killed. Would they be that lighthearted?
The other scene is when Spock didn’t want to save Nero in the end and they just bomb him gloriously out of extistence still joking around. I mean this as well has no drama in it and feels relentless and full of revenge.

These scenes seemed as if death of a lot of people is not a terrible thing at all. And Spock and Kirk act the same way as Nero: Out of revenge.

These were the two critics I have for Trek 09 because they made the movie seem inhuman in the specific situations.
But maybe the new movie will do better in such situations. ;)
I am looking forward to it.

Greetings, Stephan

822. Aurore - October 14, 2012

Correction. 820.
…June = …June.

823. boborci - October 14, 2012

everything written between 800 and here by bobrci is not me.

824. boborci - October 14, 2012

mj

im just explaining to you what went into our decision making process, and your arguing the decision was made out of ignorance. just not the case. We had a NASA consultant. It did not change our decision. u can argue we shouldve made something up, if u like. that would be a valid argument, but sticking to your guns that i had never heard of or understood the properties of a Supernova until somebody on a messgae board educated me just so you feel smart isnt going to cut it.

Logic is the beginning of wisdom, not the end.

825. ralph pinheiro - October 14, 2012

Mr. Bob Orci.

Are you preparing some poster or viral? Will we see Easter Egss like in Star Trek 2009?

826. Hugh Hoyland - October 14, 2012

#815 Harry Ballz

Whats your screenplay about?

827. captainkirk - October 14, 2012

A question for boborci if he’s still on. On TrekBBS I read that fan films based on the last movie aren’t allowed by CBS. Is this true?

828. boborci - October 14, 2012

ralph-

wouldn’t u;)?

829. boborci - October 14, 2012

827

dont know the answer to that question.

830. Hugh Hoyland - October 14, 2012

#828 boborci

Hey, if you read my screenplay to I’ll give Star Trek into Darkness FREE coverage in return!

831. Captain Gorn - October 14, 2012

Bob, will we get any awesome snarking between Kirk, Spock, and McCoy like we got in TOS?

832. Harry Ballz - October 14, 2012

823. boborci “everything written between 800 and here by bobrci is not me”

Bob, we could see that, because the “other” boborci posted with a period at the end of his name.

I would assume you’ve never had a period in your whole life!

(runs and hides)

833. Vultan - October 14, 2012

For all you Trek ’09 fans, remember the space dive in that movie? Well, a man, Felix Baumgartner, is trying to do something very similar today—a dive from 120,000 feet where he could very well break the sound barrier with his body. All sorts of records could be set today.

Turn to the Discovery Channel right now to watch it live!

834. captainkirk - October 14, 2012

@829

Well I have a story that I would like to develop, if possible, into an animated Kirk story set in the new universe. So I don’t suppose you could give your official permission?

Thanks for replying to my first question.

835. Daoud - October 14, 2012

Thanks for the tip, Vultan. Roswell… great place for a Mission Control! :)
.
Love “the Armstrong line” being crossed. 63 thou feet. 12 miles. (Harry G. Armstrong though, not Neil.)
.
Would the real Boborci please stand up, and the others stay away? This ain’t Spartacus.

836. dmduncan - October 14, 2012

832. Harry Ballz – October 14, 2012

Did you get momentarily freaked out by fake boborci’s post?

837. dmduncan - October 14, 2012

816. MJ – October 14, 2012

Nah, but that George Lucas’ “A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away…” was total fairy tale sounding. Best writing since “It was a dark and stormy night…”

But I love Lucas anyway. The whole Star Wars universe was an amazing place to visit.

838. dmduncan - October 14, 2012

If you BING this:

Watch Live: Felix Baumgartner Leaps From the Edge of Space

You can also watch the space jump attempt online.

I tried posting a link but the site will not allow it.

Baumgartner is currently at 70,000 feet.

839. dmduncan - October 14, 2012

Camera shots off the capsule are amazing.

840. dmduncan - October 14, 2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MrIxH6DToXQ#!

That’s a live YouTube link

841. dmduncan - October 14, 2012

3,380,010 watching live on YouTube right now!

842. Vultan - October 14, 2012

#835

New Mexico seems to be some kind of interstellar hub. Virgin Galactic has based its spaceport there. Have you seen the building? It’s pretty cool.

http://spaceportamerica.com/

843. Vultan - October 14, 2012

Almost 80,000 feet….
Go, Felix, go!

844. dmduncan - October 14, 2012

Why didn’t Paramount give Baumgartner some money to wear a Star Trek logo on his spacesuit? A delta shield sticker would have been cool.

845. dmduncan - October 14, 2012

842. Vultan – October 14, 2012

New Mexico seems to be some kind of interstellar hub. Virgin Galactic has based its spaceport there. Have you seen the building? It’s pretty cool.

***

Yes, I’ve been following it’s progress since it was just a patch of desert. Spaceport America is awesome. It has a bunch of aerospace tenants. Planning a visit down there.

846. Vultan - October 14, 2012

#844

That would’ve been very cool.
Stratosphere cool.

847. Vultan - October 14, 2012

Kind of scary they’re not sure what breaking Mach 1 will do to the human body in those conditions. I’m guessing (hoping really) not much of anything.

Chuck Yeager said once you get past the vibrations it’s as smooth and easy as grandma sippin’ lemonade.

848. dmduncan - October 14, 2012

Wow, so at 85,000 feet, SR71 pilots pretty much feel like they’re flying in space!

849. dmduncan - October 14, 2012

How do you fly a spyplane so high that you see the whole earth below you, and come down unchanged?

850. Vultan - October 14, 2012

There was an excellent BBC doc years ago with Top Gear guy James May going up in the U2 spyplane. Check for it on youtube. May seemed genuinely moved by the experience.

851. Vultan - October 14, 2012

Awesome that Joe Kittinger is helping make this happen.
Nice passing of the torch.

852. Hugh Hoyland - October 14, 2012

Wow, thats amazing. I’m getting vertigo just from watching it.

853. dmduncan - October 14, 2012

step 22, activate parking brake

854. MJ - October 14, 2012

@824. OK, fair enough, Bob. I’ll take you word for it.

855. dmduncan - October 14, 2012

Congratulations Mr. Baumgartner!

856. MJ - October 14, 2012

meant @834

857. Vultan - October 14, 2012

Way to go, Felix!

858. MJ - October 14, 2012

DM, for Star Was then, if my previous example was too extreme how about:

“200 years ago in the Large Magellanic Cloud…”

;-)

859. NCM - October 14, 2012

That was cool! What will Baumgartner do next?

860. MJ - October 14, 2012

Jump the Grand Canyon?

If he’s like most of these guys who always feel the need to top themselves, unfortunately, he probably won’t make it to 2020.

861. LizardGirl - October 14, 2012

Whoa! Whoa! WHOA!! THAT WAS AWESOME!!! Finished watching Felix free fall FROM THE EDGE OF FRICKIN’ SPACE 2 minutes ago. There was over 8 million people watching that. Announcer was like “we don’t want him to tumble okay…that’s very bad!” Then I was like “Felix stop tumbling!!!” OMG I have to show somebody this!

862. Hugh Hoyland - October 14, 2012

He knows what its like to be Kirk, Sulu and Olson!

Wow that was something else. I got a little nervous when I thought he said he felt like he was passing out. But that might be wrong because it was hard to make out what he was saying through the radio.

863. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 14, 2012

#821 – Stephan

I did not feel that there was flippancy demonstrated once the destruction of Vulcan became apparent. I think it most likely that the crew of the Enterprise were in shock, numbed by what they had just witnessed and at the same time, thrown into survival/flight mode. I think the only person who appeared flippant at first was Scotty because he did not know what had happened and was confused/bemused by what he witnessed when he was taken to the bridge of the Enterprise – hence his statement, “I like this ship. It’s excitin’!” in an effort to break the terrible tension.

I know – much has been made of Scotty’s apparent ignorance of events. However, Scotty was placed on an OLD space station and he did say he had not seen anyone for at least six months (he was hungry – even for a sandwich – because he had been living on food rations for so long), which meant he received no supplies of any kind… Maybe he didn’t know of Kirk and Spock’s presence on the planet because the equipment was old and not working properly which would also explain why he was not aware of Vulcan’s demise. It makes sense to me. It seemed obvious from the beginning.

Young Spock was seriously hurting from the destruction of his world and especially with the death of his mother and he knew who was responsible for these events. Spock could not bring himself to be so rational and compassionate as Kirk thought he would be, hence his statement, “No. Not this time.” Nero did not want to be saved. Time was of the essence. The next action was obvious and clear cut.

Although Spock harboured vengeful feelings as a result of grief that was so very raw, Kirk did not. Kirk wanted to stop Nero doing what he was doing and if that meant just being able to capture Nero and throw him in the brig, then good, so be it. However, if the only way to stop Nero was by killing him, then Kirk was prepared to do that and so be it.

I rarely ever saw the character of Kirk be terribly vengeful, even when he may have had cause. This is one of the things that set him apart from others and makes him a better hero.

@ Bob Orci (and co.) – I really hope to God that you have not turned this alt. Kirk into some revenge seeking individual, because you neither do the character nor the audience any justice or favour. I have never been more serious.

864. MJ - October 14, 2012

“I rarely ever saw the character of Kirk be terribly vengeful, even when he may have had cause. This is one of the things that set him apart from others and makes him a better hero.”

“Obsession” from TOS

865. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 14, 2012

MJ – hence my words, “I RARELY ever saw…”. That is not to say that Kirk never gave way to vengefulness, but that it was rare, with the episode “Obsession” being an example of what is RARE behaviour for Kirk.

866. NCM - October 14, 2012

@ 860. MJ – October 14, 2012

“Jump the Grand Canyon? If he’s like most of these guys who always feel the need to top themselves, unfortunately, he probably won’t make it to 2020.”

I had the same thought, but some of these guys have Kirk’s knack for beating death. From wikipedia:

Joseph William Kittinger II (born July 27, 1928) is a former command pilot, career military officer and retired Colonel in the United States Air Force. He is most famous for his participation in Project Manhigh and Project Excelsior, holding the former records for having the longest skydive, from a height greater than 31 kilometres (19 mi),[1] and for being the first man to make a solo crossing of the Atlantic Ocean in a gas balloon. Additionally, he participated in the Red Bull Stratos project as mission control, directing Felix Baumgartner on his record breaking 127,000 ft freefall from Earth’s stratosphere. Serving as a fighter pilot during the Vietnam War, he achieved an aerial kill of a North Vietnamese jet fighter and was later shot down himself, spending 11 months as a prisoner of war in a North Vietnamese prison.

867. Harry Ballz - October 14, 2012

836. dmduncan “freaked out”

Nah, dmduncan, as I was reading it, I could smell the stank off the impostor.

Hey, let’s face it, even douchebags can type!

868. NCM - October 14, 2012

Anyone witnessing, and particularly anyone risking his life to try to prevent a global genocide would be within reason and moral equilibrium to want revenge. You’d have to cast Gandhi or the Pope to realistically try to portray it otherwise. But I think the scene would have best treated more seriously; had Kirk & Spock’s exchange on the fate of Nero not prompted chuckles.

869. gingerly - October 14, 2012

boborci

Will there be some insane world-building like with Star Wars and Lord of the Rings?

I’m talking about bios on minor characters, engineering specs, planetary maps and such?

Please?

870. Jack - October 14, 2012

http://www.avclub.com/articles/and-now-science-will-ruin-jurassic-park-for-you,86568/

871. MJ - October 14, 2012

@869 Complex world building in a Trek movie? Huh?

That is not what Trek movies are about?

872. Other Guy - October 14, 2012

774. boborci

Bloody brilliant!

873. Phil - October 14, 2012

@863. New Kirk really don’t have a revenge motive based on events of Trek 2009, nor would trained professionals be letting their emotions drive their decision making process – which, by the way, Star Fleet is still in charge, so there is a chain of command in place here. The problem the producers need to avoid is that their Kirk is a bit petulant, not a characteristic you would want to see in a captain with no experience and was promoted to said rank from cadet.

874. Daoud - October 14, 2012

Prime Spock will have given nuKirk and nuSpock just enough information to now understand their place in the galaxy (okay, in the 24% of the M0 galaxy known to the Federation in 2259), which quickly helps Kirk act quite a bit more professionally.
.
Plus, I’ve seen nothing to wipe away my own personal pet theory, that Kirk at age 16 went into a Merchant Marine service, and thus had 6 years military service at the point he was on his motorbike revisiting Riverside, Iowa and the nearby Enterprise Construction Project. 6 years plus 4 years in the Academy… he already has 10 years service credit.

875. Gary S. - October 14, 2012

#865
Kirks motive for wanting to kill the cloud creature wasnt vengeance,
It was guilt.
He blamed himself for the death Of Captain Garrovick years earlier .
He hesitated to use his phaser on the creature moments before it killed Garrovick

876. MJ - October 14, 2012

@885. He clearly wanted to get a measure of payback on the creature that had put him in a position where he failed. That is certainly a form of revenge. Guilt can certainly be a motivator for revenge. Obsession, guilt and revenge were all part of what he was going through.

877. MJ - October 14, 2012

@884 “Plus, I’ve seen nothing to wipe away my own personal pet theory, that Kirk at age 16 went into a Merchant Marine service, and thus had 6 years military service at the point he was on his motorbike revisiting Riverside, Iowa and the nearby Enterprise Construction Project. 6 years plus 4 years in the Academy… he already has 10 years service credit.”

They must have taught this in the same course that I missed back in college where they taught that supernovas could destroy galaxies.

:-))

878. Stephan - October 15, 2012

@Rose:

Thanks for your opinion. Its good to see that someone else has thougts on this topic. If I think about the scenes again you may be right with what you are saying. But somehow the scenes don’t feel 100 percent right. I mean I can understand their reaction and it is somehow ok, but Star Trek is in my opinion at its best when the reaction of the characters surprise me. I mean situations in which the characters are handling different than I would because they are wiser and more selfless and human than me so I can learn from them. I remember the TNG episode I Borg where Picard could have killed all the borgn with a virus. I was like: do it because they are so dangerous! But Picard was better and said that is what humanity stands for and he cannot support genocide even if it is against the borg. That surprised me and I had to think about it because I think I would have acted the other way.

And the part with the destruction of Vulcan still bothers me because I think 6 Billion people are way to much dead people to think it is still an adventure movie. Maybe 60 people would have been enough because it is still terrible. But I can’t imagine such an amount of dead people. And I think in the movies the people who get killed are rising like an inflation to show the viewer, that this villain is worse than the last one. But a few dead people would be enough for me to get that the villain is bad enough and seem a bit more realistic. Just a whole planet is over the top.
I don’t know if it gets clear what I want to say, because english isn’t my native language.

Thanks for reading,

Stephan

879. Jai - October 15, 2012

DMDuncan, re: #749:

“The Milky Way is 120 light years across. It has 400 billion stars.”

“the word “galaxy” literally — i.e., all 120 light years”

re: #811:

“I don’t think galaxy = 400 billion stars, 120 light years across widest diameter is threatened, when I hear it.”

The diameter of the Milky Way galaxy is actually 120,000 light years, my friend ;)

880. Bobby - October 15, 2012

There will be a prequel conic sonetime before the movie…

http://www.subspacecomms.com/content/2012/10/14/idw-announces-star-trek-darkness-prequel-comic-set-2013-and-george-takeis-perfect

881. somethoughts - October 15, 2012

The diameter of entire universe must be 120,000 light years x all those trillions of galaxies, its so mind boggling. I wonder if any alien race has map to that lol

882. Daoud - October 15, 2012

http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/template.php?src=/sites/default/files/wysiwyg_imageupload/1/star-trek-into-darkness-prequel-comic-book.jpg

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20081217004123/memoryalpha/en/images/8/89/Lokai.jpg

Clearly, Cumberbatch is *NOT* Commisioner Bele but Lokai. They’re using CGI to color his left side black, and his right side white. He’s black on the wrong side! OMG!

883. dmduncan - October 15, 2012

879: “The diameter of the Milky Way galaxy is actually 120,000 light years, my friend ;)”

LOL! I totally didn’t notice my missing zeroes!

884. The Quickening - October 15, 2012

More credence that Cumberbatch is Gary Mitchell?

http://movies.cosmicbooknews.com/content/star-trek-darkness-2013-prequel-comic-book-announced-countdown-darkness

885. Other Guy - October 15, 2012

When the suits call the shots…

THOR: THE DARK WORLD continues the big-screen adventures of Thor, the Mighty Avenger, as he battles to save Earth and all the Nine Realms from a shadowy enemy that predates the universe itself. In the aftermath of Marvel’s THOR and MARVEL’S THE AVENGERS, Thor fights to restore order across the cosmos…but an ancient race led by the vengeful Malekith returns to plunge the universe back into darkness. Faced with an enemy that even Odin and Asgard cannot withstand, Thor must embark on his most perilous and personal journey yet, one that will reunite him with Jane Foster and force him to sacrifice everything to save us all.

sound familiar?

886. Allenburch - October 15, 2012

Hey boborci:

I’m late to this particular thread-party but am curious to find out if Star Trek Online will be used as a vehicle for releasing any pre Into Darkness tidbits similar to Star Trek Countdown to Darkness?

887. Spiked Canon - October 15, 2012

Cumberbatch is Landru

888. stunkill - October 15, 2012

iam offended by all of you so called fans that claim fans everywhere are being insulted by innocent humor and secrecy, iam not offended or insulted because I can take a joke and am not one of these neaurotic wound up over bullied nerds that dont understand people or life. speak for yourselves and leave the franchise if you want nobody will miss you putzes.

889. Red Dead Ryan - October 15, 2012

#888.

Hey Stunkill, I suggest you look in the mirror before coming down on others. You have no right to start pointing fingers with your “holier than thou” attitude when you have been caught numerous times sock-puppeteering as other posters on this site.

SHEESH!!!

890. captain spock - October 15, 2012

Bob is it true they have a intodarkness contest on anton yelchin facebook page that winners can meet the cast all expence payed trip on the night they premire star trek: intodarkness may of 2013

https://www.facebook.com/OfficialAntonYelchin/app_208195102528

is this is for real or a scame, please respond thanks..

891. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 15, 2012

If it is real, it will only be offered to people inside the US…:((

892. Jack - October 15, 2012

883. LOL! I totally didn’t notice my missing zeroes!

Er, that’s what Meredith Vickers said. ;).

893. MJ - October 15, 2012

@884. It anything, that looks like Loki — half black half white. They are probably just redoing that episode for one of the upcoming comics. I see absolutely no connection to Mitchel from this link you provide.

894. MJ - October 15, 2012

DM Duncan: “The Milky Way is 120 light years across.”

Well now it is completely clear to me why you so so staunchly supported that a Supernova could threaten the entire galaxy.

“By the book, hours would seem like days.”

;-)

895. dmduncan - October 15, 2012

892

Prime example of what really happens. I was thinking 120000 but I wrote 120.

Now that may go against the “Chekov’s gun” school of storytelling thought, but I think it helps to establish a sense of reality in your characters when world-building in a SF movie

896. Jack - October 15, 2012

Actually, I was thinking along these lines the other day — when I saw Back to the Future (in a theatre!) for the first time in years and then wikipedia-ed it after. There was a bit about them having Doc Brown mispronounce gigawatts because that’s the way a science consultant pronounced it. A bullshit cover-your-tracks explanation for a mistake? Maybe, maybe not.

But in this case, here, the error was noticed instantly. Wouldn’t somebody in the ship (if it really were an error the writers intended for the character to make) have been caught by somebody on board? Unless they were too scared to correct the boss (unlikely)… Let the rationalization commence!

897. Jack - October 15, 2012

885. When the suits call the shots…

THOR: THE DARK WORLD continues the big-screen adventures of Thor, the Mighty Avenger, as he battles to save Earth and all the Nine Realms from a shadowy enemy that predates the universe itself. In the aftermath of Marvel’s THOR and MARVEL’S THE AVENGERS, Thor fights to restore order across the cosmos…but an ancient race led by the vengeful Malekith returns to plunge the universe back into darkness….

Ha. These PR teaser-synopses always sound terrible, like they’re about absolutely nothing (our hero will meet a threat that will change everything! But not too much). I’m glad we don’t have one for Into Darkness. Yet, at least. But, I’m hoping Thor is better than it sounds. And better than the first one, which set up the Avengers but didn’t do much else. I like Hemsworth’s take on the guy, though — I think.

898. ironhyde - October 15, 2012

#878. Stephan

Agree! You’re so right about Star Trek being great when we see actions that require depth beyond what we might immediately come up with. ‘I, Borg’ is a great example, and as I recall Ronald D. Moore even reused that same conundrum in Battlestar Galactica. I always loved TNG’s ‘First Duty’ for this reason as well. I really don’t know what I would have done were I in the First Duty scenario myself, but Star Trek teaches us those things. Picard was as much a father and a dad to kids like me, as he was a TV show character (and I say this having had a great dad, also).

I think another good example, from DS9, was ‘Progress’, where Kira had to relocate an old farmer from his home which is slated for destruction by the powers that be. What a devious way to play with our sensibilities. We wanted to see that episode end pleasantly and with the calm, gentle farmer having his peace, but then we hear Sisko’s line from the end and suddenly we’re THINKING: “you have to realize something, Major: you’re on the other side now. – Pretty uncomfortable, isn’t it?” Wow. Stuff like that is why Trek matters. When Trek stops mattering, it will die.

899. Adam field - October 16, 2012

Have u people really done so little research that u dont realise that the new villain is charlie evans from tos episode charlie x? Look up the pics of the original one and tell me im wrong. Also think about the title into darkness. Yourwelcome

900. adam - October 16, 2012

I mean all these misdirections by the people involved in the movie are just priceless. I mean come on karl urba blurting things out on tv. The guys not an idiot. It would be like the presidet forgeting he was speaking in public and saying something like “america is the greatest country in the world, and i should know ive been taxing tail up and down this mug for years”. Nobody is so brain dead they forget there on live tv for a sec and start talking like there not in public. Nobody in the history of mankind. Mabey pauly shore or something but not a mentaly competent person. Everyones just misdirecting so people dont look at this logicaly. Dead on twin brother ringer for charlie evans tos season one. Also explains the starfleet uniform and the title of the movie.

901. Gary S. - October 16, 2012

I could be wrong,
But I am farly certain Bob Orci has ruled out Charlie X as a character in the sequel.

902. Other Guy - October 16, 2012

Get real. No associations with former TOS writing will ever happen again.

It’s just too much effort to pay off an auther these days. Best to use a new “exciting character,” like Nero.

903. Jack - October 16, 2012

899. Everything’s possible. And, yeah, exactly — from what little we know, it still really could be anyone. If they were to follow what TOS set up, well, Charlie Evans was 16 on TOS, and trek 09 was set at least ten years before that.

And, yeah, I think most people here get that Urban was f***ing with people…

904. somethoughts - October 16, 2012

Its Gary Mitchell or Khan

905. Gary S - October 16, 2012

#902 ALL of the rumored villains, certainly Khan, are part of TOS writings .
Not sure what you mean by that .

906. Chris Roberts - October 16, 2012

Into Darkness you say?

Isn’t that just the curse of the energy saving lightbulb?

Better occupy yourself. It’ll be up to full in a couple of minutes.

And by full power, I mean all of the antiseptic white glow of butcher’s shop window. Or a mortuary gone midnight.

907. Phil - October 16, 2012

@901…besides, Charlie X as a villian just seems weak. He was basically a horny young adult in TOS (which is how CP is portraying young Kirk, BTW)…and Kirk ended up being the father figure to young Charlie. There is no way Chris Pine could pull this off, which means the writers need to recreate the character to a point where it fits in this universe. Also, the comparisons will inevitibly be made to Anikin Skywalker of the Star Wars sequels. Not sure the franchise needs to go there.

908. dmduncan - October 16, 2012

896. Jack – October 15, 2012

I like those kinds of things. There’s a scene early on in the beginning of the Dawn of the Dead reboot where it appears the two actors flub their lines, talking on top of each other. It’s totally something that would happen in real life, and I’m glad they didn’t “correct” it.

I think it works best in a SF film because it lends to the reality of that world, in my opinion. When people screw something obvious up, it makes them seem more real, and in a SF movie when you are building a believable world, that tends to help out with it.

And it does happen. When Jai pointed out I wrote 120 light years, I felt SURE I had written 120,000 at least once in one of the other posts — but I didn’t! And I didn’t realize it!

And I didn’t do it on purpose to make the Vickers point. I honestly thought I had written 120,000. Nope!

909. somethoughts - October 16, 2012

bob, can you confirm into darkness teaser trailer is attached to skyfall?

910. cpelc - October 16, 2012

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/World-War-Z-Pain-Gain-Reveal-First-Footage-Paramount-Presentation-33586-p2.html

Paramount showed the same Conan clip but did reveal the Logo for the film. ” Just in case they hadn’t teased us enough, later in the reel they showed the film’s official logo– the Starfleet emblem with a telltale lens flare– with Jerry Goldsmith’s original theme from Star Trek: The Motion Picture playing. Sneaky sneaky J.J. Abrams.”

911. Jack - October 16, 2012

The thing I always found odd about Charlie X was that the actor looked, well, if not quite the same age as Kirk, then definitely not 17. I just looked it up and he was 26.

Me, I can’t see how an omnipotent character (Trelaine, changed-Mitchell, Q, Charlie) wouldn’t be sort of lame in a modern movie. In TOS higher powers
Intervened, or they temporarily drugged/weakened ‘em. I just don’t see the point of a story like this, beyond the standard “humans don’t need Gods” “no man was meant to be a God”

I’m hoping the new characters are actual characters.

912. Jack - October 16, 2012

BTW, Bob (and others) — are you watching the debate tonight?

I always liked the idea that by Trek, politicians would be solely elected based on qualifications and policy plans — no attack ads, or ads at all, just position statements and debates.

913. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 16, 2012

Just found this on IMDb for Skyfall – check out the release dates for this movie. Interesting…

w.imdb.com/title/tt1074638/releaseinfo

The USA does not get to see Skyfall until 9 November and we in NZ have to wait until 22 November.

Hopefully, this might give Paramount/Bad Robot extra time to get a STID trailer ready to show just before the first screening of Skyfall in the US and in Australasia…

914. Daoud - October 16, 2012

We’ve seen the trailer. He showed it on Conan. It’s three brief scenes flashing in a second. What more will Mr. Mystery-Box Director want to put in a trailer? I can hear the voiceover…
.
“SPOCK IN A VOLCANO… IN A VOLCANO SUIT…. INTO DARKNESS… VULCAN IN A VOLCANO… IN A VOLCANO SUIT…. INTO DARKNESS…
YOU LIKE… MAY 2013…”

915. Phil - October 16, 2012

@913. I think this has come up before – a trailer should be ready around the end of November for the beginning of the holiday season. If the Cone of Silence is still firmly in place by Christmas we are well within the six month mareting window Bob spoke of. Considering Trek 09 had advance foreign screenings, and it’s not uncommon for films to open a couple of weeks in advance of North American openings, we are potentially on the edge of that six month window now…..so we wait.

916. Jack - October 16, 2012

Isn’t November a little early, if six months is the window — Dec 17 is 6 months before STID’s release…

Maybe The Hobbit? I don’t know.

917. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 16, 2012

Sorry – the link did not properly copy –

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1074638/releaseinfo

918. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 16, 2012

Ooh Jack – the first real Star Trek trailer to come to screens everywhere on my birthday, 17 December. I can live with that…:), except that is FIVE months before 17 May 2013. Darn it, 17 November will need to be first date of release of trailer. I will make such *sacrifices* to ensure that none of us have to wait even a month more before we see STID.

(Although, strictly speaking, I should get to see the first trailer on 16 November since STID’s release date here in NZ is 16 May, not 17 May).

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1408101/releaseinfo

See date for Australia. It is VERY rare for NZ to have a different date.

919. Jack - October 16, 2012

Oh yeah. 5 months. Oh dear.

920. Chris Roberts - October 16, 2012

Jerry Goldsmith’s TMP score is back?

921. Chris Roberts - October 16, 2012

Of course, I doubt so. But for a split second clip and a title logo, you go with the instantly recognisable theme heard in 5 movies and TNG. Albeit with a few bars of TOS Courage leading into it.

Perhaps Michael Giacchino’s going to use that this time around?

922. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 16, 2012

OK – what happened to my post? It was here and now not here. Perhaps I posted it on the other thread, but no, it is not there either….for now.

I made a suggestion about what I thought Anthony MIGHT be doing with his trekmovie site. Maybe what I wrote could be considered too controversial/accurate/totally inaccurate? Curious stuff happens around here sometimes, especially in these last few weeks, wouldn’t all of you say?

…:-))

923. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 16, 2012

Post is back again….sigh…oh dear…..oh well….keachick lets out another sigh…:)

924. Jack - October 16, 2012

Alas, Rose, we’ve all been there — this site gets a bit wonky sometimes. ;). And it’s natural to wonder if it’s personal. ;)

925. Phil - October 16, 2012

Pretty sure Nov. 17th is six months. It’s speculation on my part, but if there are foreign openings prior to 5/17/13, there should be consideration that we should be seeing stuff a bit sooner. Skyfall seems to be a natural place for the Trek trailer to show up, assuming they are more then three frames into post production, of course.

926. Jack - October 16, 2012

Yep, Phil… Nov 17 is six months… Not sure how I figured that Dec17 was the six month mark. i even counted with my fingers.

But it’s still nearly two full seasons (the rest of fall, all of winter, and two months of spring) before this the release.

Even if we don’t see anyhing until around Christmas, or even after, there’s still plenty of time.

Just saw Argo, by the way. And I hadn’t heard of it at all until I saw a trailer a month or two ago, and had forgotten until the good reviews started rolling in. Good movie. And again, the theatre was packed — on a weeknight.

As long as STID gets pretty decent reviews, it will do well. And it will do well probably even it doesn’t. There will be a ridiculous marketing blitz in the weeks before it arrives.

I’m wondering whether reviewers will be a bit tougher on this one — the last one got nearly universally positive reviews, but a lot of them pounted out the same flaws that we like to dwell on.

Basicly, we embody, that Onion headline “Trekkies bash new Star Trek flm as “fun, watchable.”

It gave life back to Trek – and was certainly better than 9/10 of the previous Trek movies. So, I’m wondering whether now that teh first one got the spirit right, folks will have absurdly high expectations for the follow-up.

927. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 16, 2012

The post that was here, went away, then came back has now gone again. Wonky is one word for it, I guess…LOL

928. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 16, 2012

I had not heard about a movie Argo until someone mentioned here within the last day. However, upon reading the NZ Herald, I came across an article which told that the writers and Ben Affleck took one or two liberties with the facts (which is legally OK because it is a “based on” movie). One of those liberties was to put NZ in an unfavourable light – see below -

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10841011

929. Azrael - October 17, 2012

The official Star Trek Into Darkness facebook page has been launched, check out the story here.

http://trekweb.com/articles/2012/10/17/Paramount-Launches-Star-Trek-Into-Darkness-Facebook-Page-Trailer-Coming-Soon-Win-a-Trip-to-Hollywood-for-the-Premiere-of-the-Movie.shtml

Story has links to the page.

930. Azrael - October 17, 2012

Sorry, the story also has an official poster, and says there will be a trailer when the page hits 500,000 likes.

931. Aurore - October 17, 2012

I may be wrong, but, I do not think “this” comes from Paramount.

932. Aurore - October 17, 2012

…So far, there seems to be only one place reporting on what should be an event…Unless I’m mistaken.

933. Other Guy - October 17, 2012

Why is the ship crooked on the facebook promo? Me not likee crooked ship.

The cast looks a few years younger, too.

934. Montreal_Paul - October 17, 2012

933. Other Guy

Because that is not the official poster. If you take a look at the full size picture you will see that this is from the 2009 movie that they added to the page – which makes me believe that this is not official. But then again, Trekweb had the press release from Paramount. So, who really knows. But the poster, that is from 2009 for sure.

935. Ralph Pinheiro - October 17, 2012

I prefer to wait.

936. Spiked Canon - October 17, 2012

Go to the Facebook page Star Trek Into Darkness and Like it. When they get 500,000 likes they will show the trailer

937. Billiam - October 17, 2012

The facebook poster contains fan artwork, so, take that for what you will. Specifically the planet used.

938. Ralph Pinheiro - October 17, 2012

I checked Paramount press release and………….and……………..nothing.

http://www.paramount.com/news/press-releases

939. Other Guy - October 17, 2012

#936 Spiked Canon

Y’know? I think not.

I am siding with JJ on this one. I want to be completely surprised. No more movie marketing until 5 minutes before Trek’s screening for me.

940. Chris Doohan - October 17, 2012

It’s a fake.

941. MONGO - October 17, 2012

Mongo already post this, but want to share with friends here. Help friends understand what going on in for real.

Mongo see no point in liking FB page to see Star Trek movie. Mongo not win prize probably and once page get 500,000 likes trailer be shown and then everyone see anyway.

Mongo know it fake anyway. Real JJ mans not want anyone see Star Trek in first place. Reall JJ mans first director in history want make movie and keep secret forever.

942. Walt Kozlowski - October 17, 2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4zp2NucwsU

943. AJ - October 17, 2012

Paramount’s marketing of this film can now be officially labeled as incompetent. Just because eight people don’t want spoilers to ruin their cinematic experiences doesn’t mean you postpone what is now a delayed worldwide marketing program. And Paramount has shown its decrepitude with other franchises as well. Not forgetting that ST09 was inexplicably delayed, you’ve now got GI Joe, WWZ and TMNT in re-writes, re-shoots, or on back-burners, and STID was also delayed with no writers’ strike as an excuse this time.

“Avengers” is living proof that an active and engaging year-out marketing program will get asses in seats. “The Hobbit” will clear a billion easy times 3 for the same reason All three are ‘beloved’ properties from decades back. But, my son will be 11 when the new film comes out. He was 7 when he saw the last one. He doesn’t remember it. That is called a waste of money on lost brand equity.

944. Jack - October 17, 2012

928. Rose. Wow. I guess it makes the story cleaner/more simple — and one could argue that the character who, in a debriefing, states this (a throw-away line that Britain and New Zealand turned away the six Americans and they finally found refuge at the Canadian) was mistaken/oversimplified it, but yeah, it’s interesting. For story purposes, it definatly makes the six Americans’ situation seem much more desperate (nobody knows they’re there, they can never leave the house, they’re completely isolated, it’s just a matter of time until they’re found and executed as spies). When I heard that line (that the Brits and kiwis turned them away) I didn’t think less of either country, I just thought “hmmm, I’d never heard that before.” It’s one line — and the movie does a pretty good job of showing how desperate things were in Iran… nobody comes off looking either completely wrong or completely right, including the Canadians. And it does a surprisingly good job of conveying the Iranian perspective. Yes, our heroes do seem especially selfless and heroic, but still, all the characters come across as human beings, including the Iranians.

I’d like to know what else got changed…

945. Jack - October 17, 2012

Apparently, Argo plays loose with a few facts.

http://mobile.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2012/10/12/argo_true_story_the_facts_and_fiction_behind_the_ben_affleck_movie.html

946. Jack - October 17, 2012

BTW, here’s an opinion piece on studios waiting “too long” to market sci fi movies…

http://www.firstshowing.net/2012/editorial-why-do-studios-hide-original-sci-fi-until-the-last-minute/?utm_source=zergnet.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=zergnet_33095

947. Aurore - October 17, 2012

…I will decide for myself who is to be labelled incompetent…or not… in June 2013…..

After all, I’ve waited 18 years for the last Star Trek…

I can wait for Star Trek Into…….. that title….Jesus DamOn!!!!

I’m struggling with that f*cking TITLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:)

948. Montreal_Paul - October 17, 2012

943. AJ

Chill buddy. May is a long time away. We will get something during the Christmas season… a good 6 months ahead of the movie. Bob said that we will see a trailer in early January. There will probably be news coming in late November.

949. Daoud - October 17, 2012

There’s going to be another Star Trek movie?
.
Seriously though, all of Star Trek, TOS, was originally aired in the time between these two movies. All of Star Trek: TNG, was produced in less time than these two movies together from start of scripting to release. That’s sad.

950. Jack - October 17, 2012

They could have sped it up by pulling some of those rubber TNG “I’m an Alien!” forehead things out of storage. And maybe a few of those pastel office chairs.

951. Jack - October 17, 2012

And that opinion piece — I have no idea who the guy is — concludes with a note that says, more or less: well, I guess FX do take a really long time to do properly… and yeah, if moviemakers released trailers or clips with shitty temp fx, well, fans would skewer them…

The guy’s solution is for studios to start effects a lot earlier. But is that realistic…

952. Jack - October 17, 2012

901. ironhyde: Stuff like that is why Trek matters. When Trek stops mattering, it will die.

Agreed.

btw, my apologies for killing the conversation here by overposting. This time next year I’ll be able to while away lonely nights by watching my copy of STID over and over and over and over.

953. NCM - October 17, 2012

Colbert featured Amok Time tonight. When ya just can’t get enough Faux News, tune in to the Colbert Report.

954. star trackie - October 17, 2012

Wow, Anthony seems to have completely checked out now on this site. :-(

955. Daoud - October 18, 2012

Jack, I know a PhD at ILM. They started advance work on the FX for STID right after Trek 2009 led to Paramount giving a green light for a sequel. You know what stymies them? No script until late, no details. They’ve spent a what time they’ve worked on the sequel working with their modeling components, etc., generic planets, starfields, warp effect programs, variations on the NCC-1701 and shuttlecraft, test shots, etc.
.
They’re just as pissed as we are about not getting the script early enough. It really pushes them…. so you are definitely right on track noting that any trailer would have to be really light on the effects side, and focused more on the what-you-can-do-with-film-and-lens-flares side.

956. Other Guy - October 18, 2012

A nice video about Vortex Powered free energy!, supported by a very well known Piccard!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FA2H1HiL3o&feature=player_embedded

957. TrekMadeMeWonder - October 18, 2012

“Jack, I know a PhD at ILM. They started advance work on the FX for STID right after Trek 2009″

SCARY!!!!

This brings me back to a long ago rumor that the next Trek would be a time travel episode back to the dinosaur age! The rumor was that the Enterprise stops a meteor from hitting the earth that would cause an Ice Age. The E and the gang end up in a giant laboratory run by a race of of advanced Dinos that evolved to the dominant species because they and the Earth were never affected by the long-ago meteor catastrophe.

Of course, the E and gang have to face a very moral decision. Face the dakness of thier situation, or destroy a whole newly evolved timeline.

Come to think about it, a better title would be “Star Trek Evolutions.”

958. BulletInTheFace - October 18, 2012

#929: That is a very obvious fake.

959. Jack - October 18, 2012

955. Daoud.

Really? Wow.

960. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 18, 2012

This almost addictive dependence on special FX effects in order to make a worthwhile trailer has me both astonished and saddened. Are you telling me that there is no (small) scene of greater dramatic import that could not be used as a teaser/trailer for STID, which shows characters engaged in a discussion, debate or argument (even a romantic interlude), which could not be used to whet the appetites of wannabe STID viewers?

Seriously – WTF? Gosh, hard to believe that there was even a movie industry before ILM, but there was!

961. Azrael - October 18, 2012

@958. It was not obvious to me, all I did was find an article about it, which also did not indicate it was a fake, and a check on google shows that the page fooled people all over the world, with over 20 different news sites reporting on the page, then having to come back and report on the fake, and this morning there was an article about the whole thing on yahoo’s front page, so I was quite obviously not alone in being fooled by the page, nor was I the first since I found out about it through an article on Trekweb, that got past all their people, until apparently Anthony’s tweet calling it a fake, and Chris Doohan’s confirmation here.

962. Jack - October 18, 2012

Anthony’s still tweeting? So did he forget his WordPress password or something for this site?

I miss the updates, but I do like that we’re policing ourselves — the conversations, and even the disagreements seem to have become, generally, more civil here since Anthony stopped moderating.

963. Jack - October 18, 2012

960. I get your point Rose… but it is a space movie, after all ;). But, yeah, it would be great to see a really good trailer (for anything) that isn’t just fx shot after fx shot, that isn’t just people running through corridors (Prometheus, nice to meet you) and that maybe shows us the character’s reactions, but not too much of what they’re reacting to ;).

I’m trying to think of a really terrific, non-traditional trailer that stands out. The one for Jerry Seinfeld’s Comedian was pretty fantastic, but that was another movie entirely.

Gotta say, it does suck when the trailer reveals too damned much, and when funny lines aren’t funny anymore because we’ve heard them so often before seeing the tihing. I actually like when deleted scenes/ alternate takes are used in the trailer…

964. Vultan - October 18, 2012

#963

I think it would be interesting if instead of the usual trailer—[loud noise, people yelling, loud noise, people running, loud noise, one-liner, BIG loud noise and title]—they did a short film. You know, a little story within the fictional universe but also tied into the movie. Only a couple minutes long. Showcases a couple of characters.

Would be different… in a good way.

965. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 18, 2012

“I actually like when deleted scenes/ alternate takes are used in the trailer…”

Yes, that is also a good possibility, just so long as the deleted/ alternate scene does not infer a totally different reality from what we get to see in the movie.

Therein may lie the problem with having so much easy access to the internet and that trailers inevitably get put on the internet. I mean, in many ways, it is great that people who don’t or can’t get to cinemas or watch television where these trailers may be advertised, can watch them on the internet, but it also means that people often have a tendency to watch some trailers they like over and over again, just because they can. It means that they get to study every piece of conversation and FX of scenes as if they might be using a powerful microscope, leaving “no stone unturned” as it were. I mean, if you do that enough, you are going to feel that you have seen pretty much the whole bloody movie and perhaps get a distorted idea of what you think the movie is about, or should be about.

That is what is going to happen once the first trailer for STID gets released. Come on, ‘fess up. You know I’m right.

Having said this, I will quite likely be watching replays as well, especially if the trailer has a scene or two featuring a certain captain looking his *GLCD best. The trailer definitely needs such scenes as well as whatever else they choose to select in order to make it a movie people will want to see. (Are you getting this, Bob Orci?)

Trailers should not be better than the movie overall. That way, the cinema goer will not feel cheated if the movie does not live up to the expectations hinted at in the trailer(s).

*GLCD mean good (or gorgeous, if you prefer) looking, cool dude. When I used these letters, I am referring to Chris Pine (aka Captain Kirk). I mean to say, who else could I be referring to?…:)

966. Jack - October 18, 2012

Actually, just watched this:

http://m.youtube.com/?reason=8&rdm=4995#/watch?v=IptbC3p2lCk&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DIptbC3p2lCk

The Trek 09 trailers. I’m no longer worried. I’d forgotten that these guys make darned good trailers.

967. MJ - October 18, 2012

@960 “This almost addictive dependence on special FX effects in order to make a worthwhile trailer has me both astonished and saddened.”

You’ve got to be kidding me. Bring on the space and special effects trailer please…I WANT IT YESTERDAY!

For those of you who don’t want to see this, go watch a chick flick instead.

968. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 19, 2012

MJ – You make a “chick flick” sound not as good, second rate, somehow. That is the point really. Many of the films that many males might consider a “chick flick” are often anything but second rate.

I never said I did not want to see special FX effects. I just don’t like the apparent level of dependence on such in order to make a worthwhile movie or even trailer. Admittedly, Star Trek is sci-fi, and of course, being what it is, there have always been more special effects done for Star Trek than in other shows, even in the 1960′s TOS days.

My only point was that there must be one or two scenes in STID that are good and dramatic without there necessarily having much in the way FX to have done to them. In other words, we could watch the scene(s) right now and feel enchanted, bemused, amused, curious, concerned, worried, frightened,… by what is shown in the scene, by what we see/hear a character or two say/do and having it whet our appetites to want to see more, as in “OMG! What is happening here? Why are they doing whatever?” etc etc.

Then we’ll have JJ Abrams say, to the effect, “OK. That’s your lot. Wait until 17 May!” then muttering “God, is that the time? Must be getting on…”…:)

969. Fizzzie - October 19, 2012

I think its going to be garth of izar. Its ten years early and thts about the right age for the actor. Plus he was the secound baddest villian to khan( mabey first as far as tos goes). Plus that planet had a poisonous sulfur type atmostpher, just like the volcano pics. Plus into darkness fits. And thet prob dont want to mess with khan for fear of messing it up. Plus dude is white. Its garth

970. Fizzzie - October 19, 2012

Plus they could have garth kill kirks green academy fling and it would be so hear breaking just like original ep.

971. Jemini - October 19, 2012

this is just speculation but remember those set pictures where the characters are wearing a different uniform? such as http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4sx4sAG7F1qcmlw4o1_500.jpg

Those are dress uniforms, the ones they’d wear for a formal event. Just a feeling, but it could be a funeral after the death of someone from the crew. It’s not Chekov nor Scotty nor Spock or Kirk because we got pictures of them wearing those uniforms. This leaves out McCoy, Uhura, Sulu and perhaps Pike. I hope that I’m wrong but then I remember that they took inspiration from “the dark knight” and well, don’t tell me that the movie wasn’t depressing.

972. Jemini - October 19, 2012

edit to add:

…I tend to look at things first and foremost as a character’s journey from beginning to end, and oftentimes the journey won’t be resolved at the end, it will just be the completion of whatever that moment in their journey is. Jim Kirk, for example, inherits the Enterprise at the end of Star Trek but that doesn’t mean he fully understands what it means to be Captain. It just means, oh, he has the Enterprise now — so now what? He’s never sent men and women to their deaths before, so what’s going to happen when that kind of question comes up for him?
- Alex Kurtzman

now don’t kill me lol
It’s just speculation, but still…

973. Montreal_Paul - October 19, 2012

967. MJ
“Bring on the space and special effects trailer please…I WANT IT YESTERDAY!”

Hey MJ, I bet you were the kind of kid that went looking for where your parents hid your Christmas presents… wanting to know what you got before they were under the tree! LoL. ;)

974. MJ - October 19, 2012

Yea, that was me! :-)

975. Jack - October 19, 2012

Jemini, good point. That would definitely be darker.

976. Montreal_Paul - October 19, 2012

974. MJ

Hahaha! I knew it! I was the kid who walked by them and ignored them, never wanting a hint at what was in the box until I opened them. My family also had a tradition of putting up the Christmas tree on Christmas Eve morning. Interesting. :)

977. Jack - October 19, 2012

976. Lol. I think we’re finally figuring this all out.

Every year I accidentally discovered my Christmas present because my parents were terrible at hiding stuff — when I was four my mom told me to get a blanket from her bedroom closet and sitting there was a fisher-price Sesame Street play set, and they claimed that Santa asked them to store it for the kids next door. It sounded fishy, but I wasn’t ready to give up on Santa yet.

Every single year I knew what it was: “Go get the cat to take to the vet” and the Capsela set was sitting uncovered under the bed; “Put these sheets away” and there was the Atari; “Go get the groceries from the trunk” and there was the boombox (and again they said it was for a neighbour). They could have at least kept the damned things in the bag.

Around November I’d start opening cupboards and closets with my eyes partially closed (I figured that if I saw anything that resembled a box, I’d still have time to close ‘em fully and not see exactly what it was).

The couple of years where I didn’t accidentally find it, my jerk little brother (who was always searching) would find both of our presents and take them out and show me.

And that’s why I hate spoilers. ;). And Christmas.

978. Montreal_Paul - October 19, 2012

977. Jack

LoL … loved the story! And I am seeing the parallels too!

979. Jack - October 19, 2012

And we had the real Christmas tree out in mid-November — by Christmas morning I was terrified that the thng would burst into flames if we plugged the lights in.

After Christmas, my grandparents just carried their fully decorated artificial tree down to the basement, whe it sat all year while we kids played around it.

Anybody know a good therapist? ;).

And that’s why I like me a little mystery.

980. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 19, 2012

Ah yes, Christmas!

I’d rather not think about Christmas of my childhood – mostly it was a real joy killer.

Christmas only became exciting and fun when I had my own children. I could tell them about Santa, as well as about St Nicholas and other things associated with Christmas, both Christian and Pagan. Of course, it is a bit different in these parts because it happens at the beginning of summer…

Traditionally, we would put an *artificial tree up on the first Sunday of December and the kids would decorate it. Sometimes we would have lights. One or two presents would go under the tree, but most would be remain in closets in their shopping bags. At the same time, we would get the kids to make a wish list, with them stating what they would most like to get being no. 1 on the list and so on. Depending on finances, we would try to accommodate them. Of course, with my younger children, my ten year old Michelle, this list would go as part of a letter to Santa/Father Christmas…

I think children realize fairly early on that Santa is really mum, dad and other family members, but they love to play along, just as I and their father do, especially when it comes to filling the Christmas stocking tradition.

Often times (this year being no different), I will take my sons and daughter out to places to look for presents for themselves and others. Given our limited income, clothes become presents and extra special (and more expensive ones possibly) get chosen and tried on, so that we all know that the item will fit come Christmas day. Then they are brought home in their bags and put away in our closet. Kids are told to forget this event and believe or not, most of the time, that is just what they all do, including young Michelle. That way, they are surprised and delighted all over again! That doesn’t just apply to clothing items either. When I come to wrap the presents, I’ve sometimes forgotten that I bought this or that.

Really, it is about looking (sometimes there is little choice), but not looking too closely…

981. Daoud - October 19, 2012

For what it’s worth, Bonnie’s been updating Trek news rather tremendously over at TrekToday. Perhaps Kayla or Rosario would drop a line to her, and see if Science Saturday and Movie Updates could find a home over there. Bonnie (a/k/a T’Bonz) is super kind, super smart, and has kept TrekToday and TrekBBS relevant for a dozen years….
.
And Jack, yeah, the ILM guys who have to calculate complex renderings like graphics and exhausts and shattered particle motions need a lot of time to do that, even with the computing power they have. I only know I was told they were just as frustrated as parts of fandom have been with the ongoing delays. Plus, it means the ILM guys who’d like to be working on Trek projects end up tied up with other project work and then aren’t available when Trek finally comes through.
.
Christmas? Heck, where’s Hanukkah Harry hiding my presents!

982. MJ - October 19, 2012

Wow, so I can’t get a STID trailer and some minor spoilers from The Supreme Court, because I assume that they, like most of you, have crappy memories of Christmas/Hannukkah as kids???

What’s next — are you going to tell me that they can’t even tell me who BC is playing in the movie because that brings back bad memories of your parents screwing up Easter Egg hunts and Jack finding out that there was no Easter bunny?

WTF? LOL? :-)

983. boborci - October 19, 2012

977 Jack,

Hilarious. Condolences;)

984. K-7 - October 19, 2012

Ratings (18-49 key demographic) from Monday night — the JJ versus Orci saga continues:

Revolution: 3.4/9
Castle: 2.0/5
Hawaii Five-0: 2.0/5

Bob, congrats, you finally pulled just enough of the Geritol contingent over from Castle to pull even with Castle. JJ is still smoking your ass though — his show is not that far off from equaling the ratings or your show and Castle combined (i.e a 9 share for Revolution compared to a combined 10 share for H-50 and Castle combined).

Must be embarrassing times for you when this comes up in conversation at the water cooler over at Bad Robot.

:-)

985. Montreal_Paul - October 19, 2012

982. MJ

I didn’t have a crappy Christmas as a kid. I enjoyed putting up the tree Christmas Eve morning. I enjoyed not knowing what my gifts were. I looked forward from Halloween on to when we were going to put that tree up on that morning. The anticipation was great! And when we did get that tree up and then waited until our parents were up on Christmas morning. It was all the more better when I opened up my gifts and got what I wanted. And… much the same, it’s how I feel about the movie. Waiting with anticipation for May to get here. Can’t wait to get in line for my ticket and sit down and get surprised and enjoy what is in front of me. :)

986. Montreal_Paul - October 19, 2012

984. K-7

Being in the 18-49 demographic, I actually watch Hawaii 5-0 and then watch Revolution afterwards from my PVR. I get to watch both shows and everyone wins.

I started watching 5-0 this year and have been catching up on old episodes off Lifetime. Great show Bob! Love the writing and the chemistry of the characters is fantastic. Keep up the great work!

K7 … As much as I like Revolution, I see it going the way of similar shows last season. I don’t think it has staying power.

987. MJ - October 19, 2012

These Christmas memories from everyone — whether they are disappointing, or whether they are nice and sentimental — have no influence on me on the minor “throw the fan a bone” STID advance information I am looking for.

I STILL WANT MY STID TRAILER AND STOCK PHOTOS YESTERDAY, Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy be damned.

988. Montreal_Paul - October 19, 2012

987. MJ

You crack me up! God bless you! Hope that you get a nice Thanksgiving present this year. ;)

989. K-7 - October 19, 2012

MP, stats don’t lie. Revolution’s audience this week was up 13% from the previous week. Your “feeling” that it does not have staying power will need to match up against actual ratings numbers at some point in order for me to take it seriously. In other words, get back to me when the audience starts going down multiple weeks in a row — an actual quantitative trend like that would support your “hunch” or whatever it is.

However, Hawaii Five-O is a show that you could argue has reached the end of its staying power. It has been pretty much in third place it its time slot all season so far, starting with is positively dismal season premiere ratings. Again, this is not my “feeling;” this is based on the actual ratings data.

990. Montreal_Paul - October 19, 2012

989. K-7

Don’t forget, they are only 6 episodes in. “V” had a strong start in the ratings and so did The Event as did Terra Nova. People will latch onto something “new” but it quickly loses it’s flavor. CBS shows strong support for 5-0 and that is what I would base my “feelings” on. They know the trend for new shows. They also see the potential for 5-0 in syndication as well. A show like Revolution, I don’t see that going the syndication route after it’s run.

991. K-7 - October 19, 2012

Well MP, I agree with your syndication point. Given that Hawaii Five-O has made it to Season 3, they will probably try to keep it on life support to go for a 4th and final season, just to make syndication more attractive, even though its based ratings times have long since past the show by.

Revolution, like Lost, is a mega story that you have to watch sequentially, and as such, will probably not do well in Syndication; but alternatively, will probably sell a lot better in Blu-Ray and DVD than Hawaii Five-O.

BTW, Revolution is A LOT BETTER than Terra Nova, The Event and V, so I disagree with your comparison to those shows in terms of quality and staying power. But that is just my opinion. We can monitor the ratings data all season and determine later which one of us is right about this.

992. K-7 - October 19, 2012

From TV by the numbers:

“Since CBS is a well oiled syndication machine, and has shown that it will sacrifice low current ratings for the bounty (or even the potential bounty) that the syndication gods provide I am christening a new rule: If a CBS produced & aired scripted show reaches a third season it is certain to receive a fourth. That fourth season typically ensures at least the minimum number of episodes (~88) needed for stripped syndication. On that basis, I have moved both Hawaii Five-0 (already sold to TNT) and Blue Bloods to “certain to be renewed”. Cue both doubting and relieved commenters!”

So while Orci and company are obviously not happy getting spanked by JJ’s show so publicly, Orci’s wife can sigh in relief that the syndication for this poorly rates show will be coming in for years to come, and will help pay for that big Hollywood mortgage. :-)

993. K-9 - October 19, 2012

http://www.cbspressexpress.com/cbs-entertainment/releases/view?id=33358

994. dmduncan - October 19, 2012

984. K-7 – October 19, 2012

Why do you keep trolling Bob trying to provoke a reaction from him with your imaginary ratings feud?

Bob doesn’t display arrogance, hypocrisy, or undue pride, so why do you keep trying to “take him down a notch?”

Do you envy Bob’s success?

995. K-7 - October 19, 2012

You don’t find it mildly amusing at least that JJ’s tv show is up against Orci’s show in the same time slot? It’s JJ versus Orci — that is interesting for sure, if not amusing. Come on?

Well, I guess different people find certain topics not that amusing. For example, several folks here obviously did not find it amusing when Orci displayed a lot of dismissive arrogance when they tried to offer contrary opinions and information to his conspiracy posts.

I’m looking forward to tracking the JJ versus Orci ratings for this entire season. Sorry you don’t like that, but I find it interesting and yes, amusing.

996. K-7 - October 19, 2012

FYI — post 993 (K-9) is NOT me.

997. star trackie - October 19, 2012

DM Duncan, I do like the ratings update on Hawaii 5-0 and Revolution that K-7 is providing in spite of K-7′s bad attitude about it. Both shows are great, and I hope that Bob will tell us if he needs help from us in sending emails to CBS to save Hawaii 5-0 if it comes to that later this year.

K-7, please keep the weekly updates coming.

998. dmduncan - October 19, 2012

995

No, that doesn’t amuse me. Neither do conspiracies — they’re horrible, not laughable, and Bob has never been arrogant in discussing them. I know exactly what he’s doing when he decides to rough-house on the topic with fans, and arrogance has nothing to do with it.

JJ’s show is probably more popular because it’s tapping the doomsday zeitgeist. Collapse is a memetic scent in the breeze right now, and a lot of people are looking for trivial ways to explore the consequences of severe civilizational changes without taking the idea seriously on a conscious level.

Revolution is okay, but it also has the repugnant stench of a BS&P cultivar. Nothing is exploring the same idea better on TV than The Walking Dead. Thank God it’s on AMC. If it was on network TV, all the zombies would be healthy attractive actors with powdered blue makeup and perfectly painted blood drips at the corners of their mouths.

999. K-7 - October 19, 2012

Ah, so that overated gross-out and silly zombie show is great tv? Sorry, your entire post went DOA for me right there with that comment. LOL

1000. K-7 - October 19, 2012

“K-7, please keep the weekly updates coming.”

No problem — thanks!

1001. dmduncan - October 19, 2012

997

Oh sure ya do. ;-)

1002. K-7 - October 19, 2012

Remember this, DM Duncan:

“1683. Boborci – September 19, 2012
the conversation about Canada and who invented what has been so much more important and relevant than the discussion about the most important event of our lifetimes. half of u f#*ckers make me sick. unreal. you will get everything you deserve as u sleep your life away.”

1003. Daniel Craig Is My Wookie Bitch - October 19, 2012

I don’t see any harm in having a little fun looking at the tv ratings of JJ versus Orci?

1004. dmduncan - October 19, 2012

999

Thank you for providing indirect support!!! Because the more you agree with me, the more I would suspect I was completely wrong. Now I’m COMPLETELY confident of how good The Walking Dead is.

Thanks again!!!

1005. dmduncan - October 19, 2012

1002

Haha! Yes, I do. Thanks for reposting that. It was great not only to read it again, but to experience the joy I get when people like you think they’ve pulled a trump card.

1006. K-7 - October 19, 2012

@1004. And your post here GREATLY REINFORCES to me why I think that show is overrated. Because of your comments, I am now 100% convinced that it is overrated.

Thanks as well — much appreciated — I am in your debt!

1007. dmduncan - October 19, 2012

1006

Oh please. That was original the first time it was said. BY ME. Come up with your own retorts and stop ripping mine off.

1008. K-7 - October 19, 2012

“Haha! Yes, I do. Thanks for reposting that. It was great not only to read it again, but to experience the joy I get when people like you think they’ve pulled a trump card.”

WHAT WAS THAT NOISE I JUST HEARD…..

…..ah, that was the sound of DM Duncan making up some nonsensical response to me when I directly refuted him so that he could save face….

DM Duncan: “Bob has never been arrogant in discussing them.”
Bob Orci: “half of u f#*ckers make me sick. unreal”

CASE CLOSED…LOL…DUH !!!

1009. dmduncan - October 19, 2012

Alright, alright, let’s knock it off. I’m bored and I’m starting to laugh, which means this could get very out of hand and then people will be calling for our heads.

1010. K-7 - October 19, 2012

“Oh please. That was original the first time it was said. BY ME. Come up with your own retorts and stop ripping mine off.”

Yea, like you think you invented the “hey wackjob, your disagreement confirms my position – thanks” type of sarcasm…PLEASE!!!….now that is funny!

1011. K-7 - October 19, 2012

OK, I agree. I am getting bored too. Need some Trek sequel news. No good topics here right now.

1012. K-7 - October 19, 2012

Here’s something interesting — although I am not a Michael Bay fan, I kind of like his response here to Hugo Weaving’s recent whining about his voiceover role as Megatrron in the Transformers movies:

” “Do you ever get sick of actors that make $15 million a picture, or even $200,000 for voiceover work that took a brisk one hour and 43 minutes to complete, and then complain about their jobs? With all the problems facing our world today, do these grumbling thespians really think people reading the news actually care about trivial complaints that their job wasn’t ‘artistic enough” or “fulfilling enough”? I guess The Hollywood Reporter thinks so. What happened to people who had integrity, who did a job, got paid for their hard work, and just smiled afterward? Be happy you even have a job – let alone a job that pays you more than 98% of the people in America. I have a wonderful idea for all those whiners: They can give their “unhappy job money” to a wonderful Elephant Rescue. It’s the David Sheldrick Wildlife Trust in Africa. I will match the funds they donate.” “

1013. dmduncan - October 19, 2012

If Hugo spends a week working with me, I am sure he will find a new appreciation for the life he has.

And speaking of another Hugo, I heard a Victor Hugo quote recently which seems a little bit relevant:

“Adversity makes men, and prosperity makes monsters.”

And with that, The Dude (this one right here) is putting on his robe, slippers, and shades, and going night time grocery shopping.

Ciao, for niao.

1014. K-7 - October 19, 2012

Good night!

1015. Hugo Weaving - October 19, 2012

I just took a video of me letting a fart fly, and have included it on a memory stick to Michael Bay with an invoice for $500 payment to me.

1016. NCM - October 20, 2012

@ K-7 – October 19, 2012: “Bob Orci: “half of u f#*ckers make me sick. unreal”"

No desire to fan flames, but have to ask, K-7, were you putting hypothetical words at Orci’s fingertips, or is that supposedly an actual quote? Can’t say I’d blame him for such sentiments–he’s on the receiving end of far more personal criticism than anyone else here.

1017. dmduncan - October 20, 2012

1016

Real quote, though some here couldn’t believe it was the real Bob saying it.

I wouldn’t blame him either, though. But more because of the anniversary of 9/11 than because he couldn’t endure the personal attacks any longer.

1018. Red Dead Ryan - October 20, 2012

Yeah, I was kind of taken aback by Weaving’s comments. I mean, he had to have read a bit of the script before taking the job, right? I think in Hollywood, once you take the job, (and especially after accepting the big fat paycheck) complaining about a particular role seems a bit like biting that hand that feeds you.

I can understand complaining about working conditions, or working with a-hole directors and actors, as one can’t really know how things are going to go beforehand, but certainly one can get an idea of whether a particular role is appealing/unappealing simply by reading the script ahead of signing the contract.

1019. Red Dead Ryan - October 20, 2012

And I have to agree with dmduncan, “The Walking Dead” is an awesome show. A lot of people have complained about season two, but I thought it was great.

1020. Aurore - October 20, 2012

“Real quote, though some here couldn’t believe it was the real Bob saying it.”

_______

I agree with the last part of your comment, dmduncan,but,
I still believe there is a possibility that he did not say it; the impostor was there too.

1021. NCM - October 20, 2012

I’d imagine Bob would discredit the quote, if discredit were due, as he’s done with other poser comments. I don’t find the comment indicative of an inflated ego, but rather a much over-due push back against a-hole behavior. Wish I’d been there to applaud, but enough of that, now, as I see you guys are trying to move on to higher ground. Good luck with that, and thanks for the response, DM.

1022. Aurore - October 20, 2012

Mr. Orci, on the infamous thread you said that you had pointed out “most of the fake posts”…. not all of them.

Therefore, I personally still have my doubts.

However, If it were you….well…I still love you….

:)

1023. dmduncan - October 20, 2012

1019

Season 2 was slow in parts. Got bogged down in soap opera relationships here and there. But MAN what a strong finish. I don’t want to list spoilers for those, like me, who didn’t see it until recently on Netflix and who still haven’t seen it yet, or else I’d be raving about it.

And now I’m paying to watch season 3 on Amazon right after it airs.

What a great season premiere!

Ever since The Road, I’ve begun to see zombies as a safer, metaphorical way to visit the sorts of people who would inhabit a post apocalyptic landscape, and The Walking Dead is the very best effort ever made in the genre, I think.

1024. MJ - October 20, 2012

Agreed, DM and RDR on The Walking Dead — it is a really well done show. Although I do miss the scifi aspects of Season 1.

Orci is no more of a prima donna than any of us here. He is allowed to lose his temper now and then — big deal. Is he arrogant sometimes with folks who disagree with him? Sure he is, but so are a lot of us, myself certainly included. I’d be the last one to throw the first stone at Bob. :-)

Is the ratings contest between JJ’s Revolution and Orci’s Hawaii Five-O an interesting topic? Yes, I do think it is topical — JJ versus Orci is kind of cool.

1025. MJ - October 20, 2012

@1008 “Revolution is okay, but it also has the repugnant stench of a BS&P cultivar. Nothing is exploring the same idea better on TV than The Walking Dead. Thank God it’s on AMC. If it was on network TV, all the zombies would be healthy attractive actors with powdered blue makeup and perfectly painted blood drips at the corners of their mouths.”

DM, so it sounds like you coming around to my way on thinking on Revolution it sounds like. You and I had this discussion a couple of weeks back, and I mentioned that they all just looked too damn good, not to mention still have relatively new looking clothes, etc. etc. Glad we are now in agreement.

Still though, the acting is compelling enought that I am watching every week. Just watchting Giancarlo Esposito play Captain Neville is nearly enough reason to watch every week — that guy is steeling the show — a very compelling character.

1026. dmduncan - October 20, 2012

1025

The militia has all these perfectly made uniforms, but no electricity to run sewing machines.

The head bad guy, Monroe, turns his initial (“M”) into a LOGO and has it TATOOED on his arm even before the crash.

(Who does that?)

At the same time, I do enjoy certain aspects of it. It has good actors and characters, and It’s a “big” show, so I give them credit for their ambition. Same as I did for Terra Nova.

1027. Aurore - October 20, 2012

“However, If it were you….well…I still love you…”
_________

That’s right.

Performance art, baby.
What’ s not to love in that?!

:)

1028. MJ - October 20, 2012

“The head bad guy, Monroe, turns his initial (“M”) into a LOGO and has it TATOOED on his arm even before the crash.”

Well, you may be a bit out of touch with that remark, DM. Here in SoCal at least, nearly every kind of self-aggrandizing tattoo you can imagine, is on someone these days. That would be minor to some of the tattoo and body mutilation types of things I’ve seen on some people the last few year.

1029. dmduncan - October 20, 2012

1028

Seriously? People in SoCal tattoo themselves with their OWN initials?

1030. Vultan - October 20, 2012

#1026

Hey, maybe there’s a big computer in a mountain that makes those snazzy uniforms. (Remember that Twilight Zone episode?)

:-D

1031. MJ - October 20, 2012

@1029. Examples:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080530080022AAm32OB

1032. MJ - October 20, 2012

and see the 4th one here from Mark Walhlberg:

http://www.rounds.com/blog/horrible-celebrity-tattoos/

1033. dmduncan - October 20, 2012

That’s hilarious. Or maybe not. I wonder if that’s a symptom of NPD.

That would explain Monroe, anyway.

1034. Vultan - October 20, 2012

Whatever happened to the classic Popeye anchor? Or “Mutha”?
Raising Arizona had the best biker tat: “Momma Didn’t Love Me.”

But if you do get a lover’s name, be sure to have plenty of room for the future:
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvxzl0fqhL1qhttpto1_500.jpg

1035. boborci - October 21, 2012

992. K-7

Sadly, my wife rarely sighs with relief, except when I avoid embarassing myself;)

1036. Daoud - October 21, 2012

@1035: My wife and I decided to watch Revolution. For about 5 minutes. We had to retch. It’s absurdum.
.
Five-O is nice escapist comedy in comparison to Revolution, and that’s a good thing. Pretty scenery, a realistic-appearing world…. Hawai’i, don’t forget the okona. Love it still. I think you’ll be able to buy the missus a couple McMansions when it’s all said and done. Revolt-a-lution is going to sink like a lead weight.

1037. Red Shirt Diaries - October 21, 2012

Daoud, saying Hawaii Five-O is better than Revolution is like saying you prefer McDonalds over Burger King. LOL

In comparison, Game of Thrones and The Walking Dead isr like eating at Ruth’s Chris.

PS: Besides, Castle is vastly superior to each of those forgettable shows.

1038. Ahmed - October 21, 2012

I watched all the episodes of Revolution so far & seriously don’t understand how the show is still on the air !

This my personal view, I know lot of people are enjoying the show, but not me. The lead actress is so boring, nothing much happen in any given episode. They walk from one place to another, then there are the sword fights, afterward, in the last 2 minuets, they throw us a little twist.

I will stick to Fringe & The Walking Dead & hope next Fall, something better will come along, instead of this crap.

1039. dmduncan - October 21, 2012

It’s hard to defend Revolution. Obviously, manufacturing a large supply of hair gel was high on the characters’ list of things to do immediately following the end of civilization.

Everybody in The Walking Dead looks dirty, tired, and sweaty.

Everybody in Revolution looks like they just stepped out of an air conditioned makeup truck.

1040. Ahmed - October 21, 2012

#1039. dmduncan

Yep, not to mention that the characters in Revolution are boring and it sure doesn’t feel like a post apocalyptic world, more like a trek in a backwater country.

1041. dmduncan - October 21, 2012

And so far, societal collapse is just an incidental part of Revolution’s story. It’s just something that happens which gives the characters a mission, i.e., to get the power back on.

The show trivializes a scenario that in reality would be terrifying, and it doesn’t explore it, which is the most interesting part of the idea to me.

And because it’s a mainstream TV show, somewhere behind the scenes, somebody doesn’t want the show to take anything too seriously, so it ends up having the feel of a glossy magazine rather than a dirty newspaper, and that is just unacceptably incongruous for a show with the subject matter that Revolution has.

1042. dmduncan - October 21, 2012

1040

And I’m not saying they have to make it brutally dark, like The Road. But you are right — for a premise that has so much potential drama, they are somehow finding ways to miss it all.

1043. Red Shirt Diaries - October 21, 2012

Well my point guys was that it is also hard to defend Hawaii Five-O. The new H-50 pales in comparison to the original show, and is mainly focused on eye-candy and forgettable and predictable stale plots. The original series felt like real police work, while the new series feels like some fake Hollywood version of police work.

Both Revolution and Hawaii Five-O are lame shows.

1044. dmduncan - October 21, 2012

No offense to JJ or Jon Favreau. I loved BOTH Iron Man movies, and I’m a fan of Lost and JJ’s movie work. But Revolution is more related to Undercovers than to Lost.

1045. dmduncan - October 21, 2012

I don’t watch a lot of TV consistently, and I don’t even get some broadcast channels because of my neighbor’s tree, but I sample a lot of different things on TV. Shows that I HAVE found consistently good: Destination Truth, The Colony, BSG, and now The Walking Dead. Don’t care much for other acclaimed cable shows, however.

Do also like Last Resort (much better than Revolution), but it’s been up and down in quality, and I don’t think it’s going to survive.

1046. dmduncan - October 21, 2012

Tel ya what, though. Felix Baumgartner’s space jump stunt proved that an internet event could draw an audience that a network TV show would be proud to have.

I wonder if Bob noticed that?

1047. Ahmed - October 21, 2012

BSG & Lost were two of the best TV series that came along in the last decade. Unfortunately, nothing like these two came after they ended.

Instead, we get shows like Revolution, Terra Nova, Touch among others.

Well, at least, there is The Walking Dead & Homeland to keep me busy on the weekend.

1048. Montreal_Paul - October 21, 2012

I just discovered Falling Skies… watched both seasons and found it incredibly well done.

1049. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 21, 2012

#1037 – Well, I much prefer McDonalds to Burger King. The Burger Kings burgers taste strange and give me a *funny* tummy afterwards.

1050. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 21, 2012

Sorry – I was replying to #1040.

1051. Ahmed - October 21, 2012

# 1050. Rose (as in Keachick) – October 21, 2012

“Sorry – I was replying to #1040.”

lol, guess not, since I said nothing about McDonalds or Burger King in my post #1040

1052. Jack - October 21, 2012

Not a Fringe fan, Ahmed?

1053. Ahmed - October 21, 2012

With the lack of any space based TV series these days, you would think that one of the networks will try to fill the void with a series of their own.

But what we have now, science fiction series that are strongly based on Earth, even series like Falling Skies that deal with aliens.

1054. Ahmed - October 21, 2012

# 1052. Jack – October 21, 2012

“Not a Fringe fan, Ahmed?”

On the contrary, I like Fringe, maybe not as much as I enjoyed BSG or Lost. Nevertheless, watching John Noble performance in Fringe is enough for me to tune in every week.

1055. dmduncan - October 21, 2012

It’s the times, Ahmed. Haven’t seen Falling Skies, but I recognize the meme. Even the title projects it. These shows all reflect the reality of mass consciousness right now. Humanity under siege.

1056. Ahmed - October 21, 2012

Yeah, I guess so. I think what we are missing is a well crafted and sophisticated TV series with a clear outline & vision where the show will go after the first few episodes & how to make it as realistic as possible in term of characters development & such.

IMO, BSG was such a show, great characters development & almost clear vision where the show will end up.

1057. MJ - October 21, 2012

Falling skies is tremendous. Unlike Revolution, but like The Walking Dead, the 5th Massachusetts army looks like they have been through hell and a world-changing event.

I like Orci’s Hawaii Five-O, but I agree that is not nearly as good as the original classic. And if I have to choose between Hawaii Five-O and Revolution, I’ll take Revolution, even though I realize it is not very credible scifi. I disagree though on the acting comments on Revolution — I like the actress playing Charlie; and Giancarlo Esposito’s Captain Neville makes the entire show worth watching — he is outstanding!

1058. MJ - October 21, 2012

I tuned out on Fringe early in Season 2. Never did much for me.

1059. Ahmed - October 21, 2012

#1057. MJ
“I disagree though on the acting comments on Revolution — I like the actress playing Charlie; and Giancarlo Esposito’s Captain Neville makes the entire show worth watching — he is outstanding!”

Well, Giancarlo Esposito might be the only character in the show that I find interesting. But, honestly I just can’t stand Tracy Spiridakos who is playing Charlie. Maybe they should just kill her character in the same way they did last week when they killed one of the group.

1060. MJ - October 21, 2012

I can see why some people might find here annoying. I didn’t like her at first, but she has grown on me. Actually, I am doing a reverse here is DM Duncan — he liked the show at first and I didn’t, but now he is not liking the show and it is growing on me.

Some of the elements of Revolution remind me though of some of The Hunger Games — perhaps the most overrated movie in recent years next to any (INSERT HERE) of the Twilight movies.

1061. dmduncan - October 21, 2012

Actually I think a lot of the actors in Revolution are the one of the things rescuing the show. They are what I like about it.

I also liked the idea we got in the promo where Charlie says that she doesn’t want the power back on and that when the world lost power, she FOUND hers.

I thought that was an incredibly powerful idea, but I don’t see much exploration of it so far.

Unless by “power” they meant she found a crossbow.

I was expecting something more profound than that.

1062. Jack - October 22, 2012

Morning, MJ. Fringe got better after Season 2. I found the first couple seasons tough to slog through. I didn’t give a darn about “The Pattern.” When it’s at its best, the mysteries aren’t the point — it’s about the characters.

I’ll have to catch up on Revolution — I like Supernatural (I just started watching it last year, afteryears of rolling my eyes at the concept and CWness and than finally watching an episode).

1063. Hugh Hoyland - October 22, 2012

I just finished my own Sci-fi script, RITS’s, so I havent been watching a lot of TV of late.

But right now my favorite by far is The Walking Dead.

And as far as Sci-Fi series IMO the best thats happened in a long time was Battle Star Galactica. (although it had its ups and downs).

As far as Revolution, I’ll watch it. But if it turns out to be some sort of watered down version of something that could be far more engaging than it is, I’ll probably lose interest quick.

1064. cpelc - October 22, 2012

Has anyone else noticed that Darkness is spelled Darrkness on the released image of the prequel comic? That’s a fairly large spelling error to make it unnoticed before release.

Perhaps the villain’s name is Darrkness and it’s a double-meaning in the title?

1065. K-7 - October 22, 2012

Is so, then that has to be the most dumb-ass name for a villain in Trek hisotry.

1066. K-7 - October 22, 2012

Ahmed,

As much as Revolution has its faults, it is vastly superior to Hawaii Five-O.

1067. casual poster - October 22, 2012

@ 1066. K-7

Hawaii Five-0 has been on the air for 3 seasons… Revolution will probably be cancelled after 1 season.

1068. K-7 - October 22, 2012

What facts do you base this on? The ratings have been consistently high on Revolution, and are increasing not decreasing, and it is consistently winning its time slot easily with the 18-49 demographic.

I’m going by the actual rating trends rather than pulling baseless opinions out of my ass. Can you provide similar evidence to support your statement?

1069. casual poster - October 22, 2012

1068. K-7

Trends. Similar shows have not lasted more than a season. People become bored with it and the network loses confidence in it. Yes, high on rating right now… but don’t forget that the first 3 episodes went up against repeats. They are only 5 or 6 shows in right now. I tuned into the first episode and found it just okay. I tuned out half way through the second episode. Snooze fest. Gimme a Five-0 episode any day. CBS supports it and it’s well written and well acted. Great chemistry with the characters. The characters on Revolution are boring and annoying with no chemistry. The kid that play the brother can’t act!

You will see the rating slip down from week to week until the show is cancelled. That’s the trend.

1070. K-7 - October 22, 2012

You are pulling this out of your ass, dude. If people are getting bored with it, the ratings would be going down and they are NOT. The opinion that you have that it is boring just means that you personally will not watch it. So I get that you personally don’t like the show — but that has no bearing on its success.

Get back to me when you have measurable ratings data that support your personal opinions that you don’t like the show.

And FYI, only the first episode went up against a Hawaii Five-O repeat. Again, and inconvenient fact that doesn’t support your personal opinion. :-)

1071. MJ - October 22, 2012

This is what happened when the 2nd episode of Revolution went up against our vaunted Hawaii Five-O:

“Revolution” easily beat the premieres of ABC’s “Castle” (11.4 million, 2.5), down 22 percent from last year, and crushed CBS’ “Hawaii Five-0″ (8 million, 1.9), down 44 percent to a series low.”

DUDE, IT KNOCKED HAWAII FIVE-O DOWN A WHOPPING 44% !!!

1072. casual poster - October 22, 2012

The trend for shows like this is that they don’t last past one season. After LOST, shows like this were hot out of the gate but ended up down and out after the first season. Give it time and it will go down… its hot and new right now… but mark my words, you won’t get a second season out of it. If you do, I’ll admit defeat and eat crow. You may have a hate on for Orci & five-0… but you’ll see. Trends don’t lie. The Event, V, Terra Nova, Alcatraz… proof is in the trends.

1073. casual poster - October 22, 2012

Just an FYI:

At 10:00 PM, Hawaii Five-0 (5.5/09, 8.44m) was tied for second with ABC in adults 18-49 (2.0/05) and averaged 2.8/08 in adults 25-54. Compared to last week, Hawaii Five-0 was up +4% in households (from 5.3/08), +8% in adults 25-54 (from 2.6/06), +5% in adults 18-49 (from 1.9/05) and added +50,000 viewers (from 8.39m).

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2012/10/16/cbs-monday-posts-week-to-week-gains-in-viewers-and-adults-18-49-ratings/153259/

I wouldn’t count Five-0 dead just yet boys.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2012/10/16/monday-final-ratings-2-broke-girls-hawaii-five-0-adjusted-up-revolution-adjusted-down-plus-final-baseball-numbers/153156/

1074. MJ - October 22, 2012

@1072. Dude, I agree with K-7 that your sweeping generalizations are meaningless as they are based on your personal opinions only. If what you said were true, then Person on Interest, a show with scifi elements and an overarching story-line with clues that you learn over time, would not have been renewed for a second season.

How does “your theory” explain Person of Interest getting renewed and still doing well in the ratings this year?

1075. K-7 - October 22, 2012

Casual Poster,

Look at the bright side — Hawaii Five O won’t be losing in the ratings to Revolution and Castle tonight!

1076. casual poster - October 22, 2012

1074. MJ

“Dude”, I just posted rating for the show. They are climbing, not dropping. Castle is in third place and more shows have been ordered. Five-0 had been given the green light for a full season of shows this year. Revolution had been given a green light to produce more shows but not given a full season. Does that mean the network has confidence in it’s new show like CBS & ABC did for their respective shows?

Person of Interest is not like those shows I have mentioned. I am not talking about sci-fi shows. Person of Interest uses it’s key element as a sub plot. The main plot id different in every episode. It is episodic and not using the plot device as it’s main theme like Lost and Heroes did. It has more of a crime drama feel to it and that is a safe bet for networks.

But then again, you will see in time. I know you are not a patient person MJ… you are all about wanting things “yesterday” … but have patience and you will see that Revolution won’t be given a second season. That much, I am sure of.

1077. Jack - October 22, 2012

I have to say, a really super-obvious arc/concept statement– this is what our show is about/I predict you and Mr. Seven will have many adventures, Miss Lincoln/ THIS is the mystery we’ll solve by the end of it — well, I’m not a fan. I like me a little uncertainty.

Make me interested in the characters and the stories, not the concept. ;)

1078. K-7 - October 22, 2012

Casual Poster,

Congratulations on Hawaii Five-O finally not losing in the ratings tonight. It fact, it was a three way tie in the ratings score between Hawaii Five-O, Revolution and Castle tonight. Well done — you were right after all it looks like.

LOL

1079. casual poster - October 22, 2012

1078. K-7

Wow, I guess in all your smugness, you didn’t see the links I posted above. I’m not surprised. Last week, the numbers for Five-0 was up and the numbers for Revoltution was down.

Laugh now, funny boy, we’ll see who is laughing when Revolution isn’t picked up for a second season! LoL

1080. K-7 - October 22, 2012

@1076. Dude, your information is WRONG AGAIN:

“NBC has given Revolution, Go On and The New Normal a giant vote of confidence, giving all three freshman shows full-season orders. “We’re impressed with the imagination and creative direction of the entire team on Revolution, not to mention the immediately strong response we got from the audience,” said NBC entertainment president Jennifer Salke in a statement. “We’re also very proud of our new comedy block of Go On and The New Normal.” (10-2-12)

So I am finding your ratings predictions on Revolution even less credible now that I have determined that your statement, “Revolution had been given a green light to produce more shows but not given a full season,” to be completely false.

This factual misstatement by you severely reduces the credibility for me of your opinions on anything regarding you “gut feeling” on Revolution’s future supposed demise.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, sham on me!

1081. K-7 - October 22, 2012

@1076. Dude, your information is WRONG AGAIN:

“NBC has given Revolution, Go On and The New Normal a giant vote of confidence, giving all three freshman shows full-season orders. “We’re impressed with the imagination and creative direction of the entire team on Revolution, not to mention the immediately strong response we got from the audience,” said NBC entertainment president Jennifer Salke in a statement. “We’re also very proud of our new comedy block of Go On and The New Normal.” (10-2-12)

So I am finding your ratings predictions on Revolution even less credible now that I have determined that your statement, “Revolution had been given a green light to produce more shows but not given a full season,” to be completely false.

This factual misstatement by you severely reduces the credibility for me of your opinions on anything regarding you “gut feeling” on Revolution’s future supposed demise.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, sham on me!

1082. Red Shirt Diaries - October 22, 2012

K-7, a full season of Revolution was green-lighted several weeks ago. Who is saying that is not the case?

1083. K-7 - October 22, 2012

RSD,

Casual Poster manufactured some bullcrap about Revoluiton not being picked up for a full season. That is 100% wrong, but then so is most of his information and wacky ratings theories.

1084. K-7 - October 22, 2012

@1079 ” I’m not surprised.”

Hey goofball, it was a joke — the Presidential Debate preempted all three shows tonight, so the ratings of each is a three way tie of 0, 0 and 0. Get it? Are you paying attention? LOL ;-)

1085. casual poster - October 22, 2012

1083. K-7

Hey smart ass, Go look at the links I posted. Revolution ratings are in a slow decline and Five-0 ratings are climbing again. You will see in a few weeks that the trend will continue. And it will not be picked up for a second season. Just because you have a holier than thou attitude and are a sock puppet with Bob Orci always throwing ratings in his face, doesn’t mean you are right about everything.

I didn’t manufacture anything… I put the links for you to look at… but surprise, surprise… you didn’t. You like to live in a world where you think you are right about everything. What an ass you are.

You’ll be eating crow when you read that Revolution isn’t picked up for a second season. Just wait.

1086. MJ - October 22, 2012

All, I also wanted to confirm that indeed Revolution has been picked up for a full season. This was covered on Collider.com several weeks back.

1087. MJ - October 22, 2012

Casual Poster, I don’t want to get involved in the hate-fest between you and K-7, but you did specifically claim here that Revolution had NOT been picked up for a full season, and that is just dead wrong, my friend.

1088. casual poster - October 22, 2012

1084. K-7
“Hey goofball, it was a joke — the Presidential Debate preempted all three shows…”

Really? it was a joke? Duh, no sh*t Sherlock… I was talking about last week’s numbers in my post. You didn’t bother to read them… THAT is what I am not surprised about. You never look at anything else except your own smugness.

1089. Red Shirt Diaries - October 22, 2012

MJ, thanks for confirming the full season order of Revolution. This Casual Poster newbie threw me for a loop with that one. I agree with K-7 that we should treat any information this newbie provides with some skepticism, and a grain of salt.

1090. casual poster - October 22, 2012

MJ – they didn’t give it a full season off the bat. It was given a go ahead for 6 episodes… the network did not have full confidence in it. They waited until they gave a go ahead. So no, when Revolution was picked up, it wasn’t picked up for a full season. A couple of weeks ago they gave the go ahead for more episodes.

But if you get numbers boy up there to check his ratings numbers, you will see that the ratings have been dropping since episode 2. Not a huge drop, but it is dropping. And, the numbers are actually going to Five-0.

Don’t believe me K7? Check your numbers.

1091. casual poster - October 22, 2012

1089. Red Shirt Diaries

Newbie? Open your eyes son, I have been on this board for 2 years. Oh but then again… I forgot that I just stumbled into the Red Shirt/K7/MJ lovefest that usually happens. A bunch of smart asses that think they know it all.

And IF you would actually read posts and look at links… you will see that I am actually showing you proof of a drop in ratings. Oh I forgot, it it doesn’t agree with what you think, then you ignore it and shrug it off. Brilliant.

1092. K-7 - October 22, 2012

Hey Einstein, big fracking deal — H-50 tied Castle for 2nd place. Nice job tying Castle…whoopdie fracking doo!. And by the way, did you JUST HAPPEN TO NOTICE that Revolution’s ratings increased by 10% from the previous week (compared to Hawaii Five-O’s 4% increase. Revolutions ratings the week before this were 3.0/8, and here in your supposed smoking gun link, they are now this past week up to 3.3/9. And here is my link from the week before with that data:

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2012/10/09/monday-final-ratings-the-voice-dwts-adjusted-up-90210-revolution-partners-2-broke-girls-mike-molly-hawaii-five-0-and-how-i-met-your-mother-adjusted-down/152108/

How does this inconvenient information fit your theory, huh? I thought Revolution was suppose to be on a downward trend by new according to you. Not only that, you completely lied here by telling all of us that, “Last week, the numbers for Five-0 was up and the numbers for Revolution was down.” THAT IS JUST AN F’N COMPLETE FABRICATION OF THE TRUTH — A LIE!!! Revolution’s ratings were up 10% — keep that nose growing Pinocchio!

First you make up that Revolution has not been greenlighted for a full season, and now you make up the Revolution’s ratings fell this past week….you untruths are adding up here, and your credibility on this site is rapidly approach zero.

Say what you want about me I am an ass and jerk sure, but no one here can show that I am a liar. My information is backed up by facts.

1093. casual poster - October 22, 2012

K7 – you’ve been a douche on here for years. It’s about time someone called you on it. Things won’t ever change. You always have to be right about everything… you don’t listen to anyone but yourself and anyone that agrees with you.

1094. Daniel Craig Is My Wookie Bitch - October 22, 2012

CP, if you want people to accept your ideas, you need to be more careful with the facts here. That is two pieces of information you have been incorrect on now during this discussion. Check your facts next time before you post.

1095. casual poster - October 22, 2012

The links I just posted show a decline in ratings.. that is called a trend. And this trend will continue to the end of the season. At that point, it will not get a second season. Say what you want now… revel in your smugness and attitude. But come next season, we’ll see who is right.

The question at this point is whether the show has the staying power to last into a second season or if it will continue to track the same route as other recent failed sci fi shows like FlashForward, V, and The Event. All of those started strong but ended up riding a death-spiral into cancellation. If Revolution’s numbers level off in the coming weeks, then perhaps it will avoid that path. But if it continues to drop, then we may see history repeating itself this season.

1096. K-7 - October 22, 2012

“K7 – you’ve been a douche on here for years. It’s about time someone called you on it. Things won’t ever change. You always have to be right about everything… you don’t listen to anyone but yourself and anyone that agrees with you.”

Nice way of avoiding me bring up your two lies…wait, was that you I saw debating Obama tonight? LOL Stop making shit up — it hurts your arguments here.

“CP, if you want people to accept your ideas, you need to be more careful with the facts here. That is two pieces of information you have been incorrect on now during this discussion. Check your facts next time before you post.”

EXACTLY !!!

1097. casual poster - October 22, 2012

1095. Daniel Craig

Look at the links – they are not wrong.

1098. casual poster - October 22, 2012

1097. K-7

LOOK AT THE LINKS.

1099. MJ - October 22, 2012

Casual Poster,

You and K-7 both posted the ratings from the TV by the numbers site for suceeding weeks. And when you look at those weeks, you are correct by saying that Hawaii 5-0′s ratings improved from the week before (they were up 4%), but you are incorrect when you said Revolutions went down — they actually went up 10%, contrary to what you claimed. Looks at the links — this is simple to see.

All, if we are going to discuss this rationally, let’s all use the correct numbers please and not make claims that aren’t supported by the real ratings numbers. Looking at the actual numbers, I see Hawaii Five-O starting to recover from its early Season 2 malaise, and I see Revolution as approaching hit status, with no erosion of its ratings.

1100. MJ - October 22, 2012

Casual Poster, I looked at all the links. Please see my post above based on those links. You dude, should now look at all the links more carefully. Calm down, take a chill pill, and look at the actual numbers.

1101. MJ - October 22, 2012

Just so I am being clear, please compare these two sets of ratings from 10-8 and 10-15:

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2012/10/09/monday-final-ratings-the-voice-dwts-adjusted-up-90210-revolution-partners-2-broke-girls-mike-molly-hawaii-five-0-and-how-i-met-your-mother-adjusted-down/152108/

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2012/10/16/monday-final-ratings-2-broke-girls-hawaii-five-0-adjusted-up-revolution-adjusted-down-plus-final-baseball-numbers/153156/

1102. casual poster - October 22, 2012

MJ – ratings for the show are on the decline on a whole. Last week they were up a bit because of baseball. But the trend on the ratings from week one show that the trend is on a decline.

What I am saying is, judging from the ratings trend on Revolution… and judging from the trend of similar shows in the past like Terra Nova, Flashforward, The Event, etc… they all started off like Revolution did and had a slight decline week after week. Going by the trend, I predict that Revolution will not receive a second season.

You don’t have to believe me – you can just wait until the 1st season is done and see then.

1103. K-7 - October 22, 2012

“Just so I am being clear, please compare these two sets of ratings from 10-8 and 10-15:”

Correct! And this shows the 10% increase in ratings last week for Revolution as compared to the week before, completely contrary to CP’s claim that last week, “the numbers for Revolution were down.”

This “douche” knows how to read numbers and doesn’t need to manufacture facts to prove his points.

1104. casual poster - October 22, 2012

1103. K-7
Wow. Once again you do not read what I write. Let me spell it out for you slowly so you can read it properly:

ratings for the show are on the decline on a whole. Last week they were

up a bit because of baseball. But the trend on the ratings from week

one show that the trend is on a decline.

What I am saying is, judging from the ratings trend on Revolution… and

judging from the trend of similar shows in the past like Terra Nova,

Flashforward, The Event, etc… they all started off like Revolution did and

had a slight decline week after week. Going by the trend, I predict that

Revolution will not receive a second season. Were you able to

understand that? Or should I dummy it down more for you?

You initially started this by saying that Five-0′s ratings were dropping every week. I proved that wrong. And when Revolution isn’t renews for a second season, I will have proved my other point.

1105. MJ - October 22, 2012

@1102. But dude, Revolutions ratings were up 10% last week? So where is this trend you keep talking about? It looks to me that a more likely scenario is that both Revolution and Hawaii Five-O picked up Castle viewers last week. Come on man, just look at the numbers for a second outside of your Revolution-hate worldview, and I think you might actually agree with me, OK?

1106. casual poster - October 22, 2012

1105. MJ

Like I said, last week numbers were up due to baseball more than likely. But on a whole – meaning week after week ratings show a small but steady decline… much like Terra Nova, The Event & Falsh Forward (they started exactly the same way as Revolution). Those are the two trends I am talking about. IF ratings can remain stable for it, it may have a chance – but the next month will tell the tale.

The budget for the show is higher so ratings have to be quite high. NBC knows they can’t sell this show in syndication like ABC & CBS can with Castle & Five-0. If they aren’t making it in the ratings, they WILL cut their losses.

Castle & Five-0 can afford lower ratings because it doesn’t cost as much to produce and they can make money selling it in syndication.

1107. MJ - October 22, 2012

@1104. Come on, don’t bring in this silly baseball excuse now. One could say that affected Hawaii FIve O’s ratings as well, which goes directly against your main argument which celebrated as a triumph that show’s ratings improvements?

1108. casual poster - October 22, 2012

1108. MJ

But Five-0 has had a slow and steady climb up week after week compared to the slow decline from Revolution. And the trend on Five-0′s ratings were not as drastic as Revolution’s last week. Revolution had a huge spike compared to a steady climb like Five-0 did.

1109. casual poster - October 22, 2012

It’s past 2am and I have to get up for work in 4 hours. I’m taking a time out for tonight. Good night guys.

1110. K-7 - October 22, 2012

MJ, don’t bother. Next week when Revolution kicks ass, he’ll say its Monday night football, and the following week he’ll say its Election Eve. I guarantee you that this guy will be bitching and moaning about this every week until the 2nd season is approved, and then I’m sure he’ll come up with some lame excuse for why they gave it a second season as well.

But the good news is we have facts on our side, and he can see now that we are not fooled when he tries to manufacture information and provide untruths here. He’ll have to check his facts more carefully and bring his A-Game here from now on.

1111. MJ - October 22, 2012

Good night, CP! It’s been fun! Looking forward to next weeks ratings. Given there is no news on the new Trek movie, stuff like this keeps us going here.

1112. casual poster - October 22, 2012

1111. K-7

Yeah, whatever. We’ll see who is right come next season smart ass. Watch the trends and you will see the outcome. Too bad you are so full of yourself to look at anything else. I look forward to seeing you eat crow when they announce it won’t be back next season. Ratings will fluctuate from week to week – trends continue and will tell the overall story.

1113. K-7 - October 22, 2012

Good night as well guys from the non-lying dochebag who is me! :-)

1114. casual poster - October 22, 2012

1112. MJ

At least you are being civil about this. But like I mentioned to k7, ratings will fluctuate from week to week – but trends will tell the story. I work in marketing and we rely on trends for our business. I know trends and they can predict a lot… IF you look at what the story is telling you. Talk to you later! Let’s hope for some Trek news soon!

1115. MJ - October 23, 2012

K-7, that is interesting, especially the point about baseball providing more competition, not less, which makes Revolution’s increase that much more impressive. Also, note that Castle’s ratings were down 9 percent. This information treks exactly with my own conclusion above, ” that both Revolution and Hawaii Five-O picked up Castle viewers last week.” Also, the EW guy is right, Revolution, just like Person of Interest, is better than those other cancelled JJ-produced shows.

1116. K-7 - October 23, 2012

Guys, my post just got deleted? It was there two hours ago, and MJ even responded to it. WTF?

OK, well I will try a direct link instead since the pasting did not work:

http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/10/16/revolution-ratings-surge/

This article says a couple of interesting things:

– last weeks ratings marks a 3-week high for Revolution

– baseball would actually have provided more competition, not less, so this makes Revolution’s ratings even more impressive.

– one tv executive said: “I don’t know of any artificial reason for the increase, looks legitimate to me.”

So much for CP’s baseball excuse and his downward ratings trend projections. LOL

1117. K-7 - October 23, 2012

Oh, and the article also said:

“Revolution was a big swing that many us thought would open to a sizable number, but we worried whether the J.J. Abrams-produced drama could sustain itself given the track record in recent years of other serialized high-concept sci-fi shows like The Event, Alcatraz, FlashForward and V. Revolution does, however, have one very important thing going for it: It’s better than those shows. ”

You damn right it is, and better than Hawaii and Castle as well.

1118. abram tanked - October 23, 2012

Back on topic, and the 3 frames ~

It’s quite clear that Spock had just phasered the Hortas to death (from the original series) showing J.J. Abram’s grasp of the spirit of Star Trek.

This will be part of a montage sequence showing the new Trek “Lots of action to cover the plot holes” ethos.

Post your favorite *old Trek episode done the Abrams way” suggestions.

1119. casual poster - October 23, 2012

@K-7

Like I said… but again, you didn’t read the post:

ratings will fluctuate from week to week – but trends will tell the story. I work in marketing and we rely on trends for our business. I know trends and they can predict a lot… IF you look at what the story is telling you.

One week’s rating does not a trend make. Wait, do you even know what a trend is? I didn’t think so. But then again, you won’t read this post either and come to some sort of unrelated conclusion. I am done arguing this with you because I am repeating myself to someone that doesn’t comprehend my posts. You will see at the end of season 1 that there will be NO season 2. That’s all I have to say on the matter.

1120. LizardGirl - October 23, 2012

Man, why’d they cancel V! Just when it was getting good too!

1121. Daniel Craig Is My Wookie Bitch - October 23, 2012

casual poster,

As someone who works in marketing, you should know then that right now the data is inconclusive to support a trend calculation either way. There are simply not enough data points for either you or K-7 to be drawing these big conclusions from here.

So, with all due respect, I wish you both would just shut up until we have a few more weeks of data.

1122. casual poster - October 23, 2012

1121. Daniel Craig

I guess you didn’t read my post at 1106. I basically said what you did.

1123. K-7 - October 23, 2012

CP,

So first you said: “Revolutions ratings were down this week.”

Then, when I proved that fact was wrong you said: “baseball” was responsible.

Now, just when I have proved that fact wrong, you are saying: “One week’s rating does not a trend make,” yet YOU WERE THE ONE who make a big deal of ONE WEEK where Hawaii Five-O tied castle.

My what a Charlatan you are!

1124. Montreal_Paul - October 23, 2012

1123. K-7

I said that Five-0′s numbers were up.. those were the first links I posted. I said that the POSSIBLE reason was due to Baseball ( I didn’t say it was because of baseball, I was speculating.)

I said that when you look at week 1, week 2, week 3, week 4, etc… that Revolutions numbers show a decline… that was the next set of links I posted.

But then again, you don’t read posts or look at the links. I backed up up with proof in the links – but you don’t really care what the links say because you have to be right. Like I said. The trend shows one thing. You are all about the current ratings for last week…. wait until the end of the season and we will see what happens smart ass.

1125. K-7 - October 23, 2012

So, Casual Poster = Montreal Paul ???

You have been masquerading as a different person???

WFT???

1126. Daniel Craig Is My Wookie Bitch - October 23, 2012

Oh great, more sock-puppet mischief here. I thought we were past that stuff finally?

OK, I am going to back on my self-imposed hiatus from this site. Enough of this dysfunctional mess.

1127. K-7 - October 23, 2012

@1126. Daniel Craig, please stick it out. We can get past this clown.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Montreal Paul has been Stunkill and a host of others as well that have been causing trouble for all of us the past two months. He’s probably the guy who was posing as Orci as well.

I guarantee you all — if, all of a sudden, a new person we are not familiar with, starts posting in the next couple of days, you can bet that it will be Montreal Paul in his new “disguise”.

1128. star trackie - October 23, 2012

Shame on you, Montreal Paul.

1129. dmduncan - October 23, 2012

BUSSSS-TED!!!

1130. dmduncan - October 23, 2012

Must be exhausting. Keeping your identities straight like that. Bound to fail sooner or later. What’s the point? Why do you have to be more than one persona to make a point?

1131. dmduncan - October 23, 2012

And Montreal Paul (AKA Casual Poster) will probably end up being right about Revolutions. What was the point in saying that as someone else?

1132. Red Dead Ryan - October 23, 2012

Montreal_Paul=Casual Poster=Stunkill.

A multi-faced spider caught in his own web of deceit.

Shameful.

You know what’s even more shameful?

Anthony not bothering to properly maintain this site. This guy should have been banned a long time ago.

1133. Red Dead Ryan - October 23, 2012

This site is further proof that “honor systems” DO NOT WORK!

1134. Red Dead Ryan - October 23, 2012

All three are the same imposter, because I remember reading “Montreal_Paul” say how he’s been posting on this site for two years. Both “Stunkill” and “Casual Poster” have said the same thing.

It also explains how Montreal_Paul has been wrong on so many topics, including on where certain inventions were made. He was trolling, and we fell for it.

1135. MJ - October 23, 2012

Red Dead Ryan,

Remember how irate Montreal Paul got a couple months back when I suggested that I thought he might be a sock-puppet…and then I felt I had to apologize to him, and did so?

Well, I am completely vindicated now. I think he has been the troublemaker sock-puppet all along — call him Stunkill, BobOrci (caps B), DiscoSpock, etc. etc.

Sheesh, what a disappointment he’s turned out to be.

1136. Red Dead Ryan - October 23, 2012

#1135.

And I bet it was him that posed as me a few times as well over the past couple of years, too.

What a jerk!

And again, I have to ask, why the hell isn’t Anthony here to oversee his own damn site?

1137. stunkill - October 23, 2012

You caught me. I will have to come clean. I have been posting asRed Dead Ryan, MJ, Craiger, Montreal_Paul, boborci, casual poster and few others. It’s a lot of fun to get you guys all riled up! This place is so dead that it needs some fun! Thanks for being good sports!

1138. MJ - October 23, 2012

Trying further to confuse things here will not work, Montreal Paul.

1139. MJ - October 23, 2012

“And again, I have to ask, why the hell isn’t Anthony here to oversee his own damn site?”

At this point, let’s face it, HE DOESN’T GIVE A SHIT about this site anymore.

1140. Harry Ballz - October 23, 2012

1137.

Ah, it’s been a ruse all along. Spell the name “stunkill” backwards and you get..

LLIK NUTS

When you say that out loud, I think we know which way this asswipe leans.

1141. somethoughts - October 23, 2012

I dont understand how we already got to see a superman teaser trailer, gi joe trailer and now iron man 3. Give us a teaser trailer bob, I think its time, starting to get pissed off :) how about a general story idea like enterprise and crew is sent on a rescue mission where they encounter x and must save y while losing z or all is lost?

1142. somethoughts - October 24, 2012

The Starship, or USS ENTERPRISE would have been a better title than into darkness oO sounds too much like into dorkness or some cheesy horror flick in the woods.

1143. TrekMadeMeWonder - October 24, 2012

Iron-man 3 Trailer was awesome. IM will blow Trek out of the water.

I wonder who is doing the fx work for both pics. I bet it’s ILM for both and Tre’s fx are being pushed back because of IM.

1144. somethoughts - October 24, 2012

Star Trek ID is sandwhich between Iron Man 3 and Man of Steel. STID has 3-4 weeks to make back 185mil domestic

1145. K-7 - October 24, 2012

“Iron-man 3 Trailer was awesome. IM will blow Trek out of the water.”

Wow, you have actually seen both movies then, and you apparently also have special some knowledge that IM3′s release date has been moved back to May 17th.

Must be great to be a Hollywood insider an get all this info — congrats!

1146. K-7 - October 24, 2012

And BTW, ILM has three separate special effects teams that can work on movies in parallel, so you don’t know what you are talking about on that topic either.

TrekMadeMeWonder what funny stuff he is smoking today. LOL

1147. stunkill - October 24, 2012

1138. MJ
Yes! Let’s go with that! I can be whomever you want me to be.

1148. MJ - October 24, 2012

Just don’t be late for dinner.

1149. MJ - October 24, 2012

So stunkill, was Montreal Paul a complete fabrication character of yours, or was there once a real poster here who was Montreal Paul?

1150. TrekMadeMeWonder - October 24, 2012

Wow, K-7. Thank G_d you’re here.

Iron Man will still probably destroy Trek at the Box Office.

Hope not. I want the best for Trek, but obviously there is’nt anything there.

1151. stunkill - October 24, 2012

I’m not wearing pants.

1152. Jack - October 24, 2012

Okay, that was totally me.

MJ, I’d be really surprised if Montreal Paul was doing this, I think it’s a case of identity theft… The real MP’s here a lot and usually has pretty fair things to say.

1153. Jack - October 24, 2012

Well, Iron Man’s the same studio and it comes out in the UK about 3 weeks before Trek — so maybe we’ll see some Trek stuff pretty quick…

Right, Bob?

1154. dmduncan - October 24, 2012

I’m an Iron Man fan, and new trailer is GREAT! Now how about a Star Trek trailer?

Please? See, I even asked nicely.

How about an Ender’s Game trailer too?

1155. K-7 - October 24, 2012

I think Stunkill may now posting as TrekMadeMeWonder? TrekMadeMeWonder usually had had better posts than these here today.

1156. K-7 - October 24, 2012

Anthony, I hope you are happy with how your site and the message boards have degraded here? Thanks so much for being THE source for everything new in Trek — NOT!

What the fuk happened to you Anthony? Don’t you have any pride at all in your site anymore?

This is just plain sad!

1157. K-7 - October 24, 2012

DM Duncan, I hope you are right about IM3, because IM2 was the most disappointing sequel since Highlander 2: The Quickening. Iron mad gets drunk and fights his friend? What were they thinking? That was an awful movie that followed a classic.

1158. stunkill - October 24, 2012

Hey idiots, I am Anthony. Don’t you think it was odd that I stopped providing much in the way of new information here about the time that stunkill, Montreal Paul and my other sock-puppets showed up on this site to create havoc? Think about it; it’s obvious.

It got to the point where I was so sick of all the whining and complaining, that I decided, “if you can’t beat em, join em.” So, I won’t be doing much on this site anymore other then some occasional stories where I do get some inside info from my studio contacts on the sequels; but I will be here to screw around with all of you on these message boards to get even with you for the years of crap I have had to put up with here.

Touche, to say the least! LOL

1159. Harry Ballz - October 24, 2012

Funny how, even though it sounds different, on paper touche rhymes with douche!

1160. Red Dead Ryan - October 24, 2012

Guys, the true Montreal_Paul has returned after a five day absence.

Stunkill assumed his persona for the past few days.

They are two totally different posters.

1161. Hugh Hoyland - October 24, 2012

I liked the IM3 trailer to. And the villain looks cool IMO. Cant think of his name right now though. :]

1162. (the real) Montreal_Paul - October 25, 2012

Wow. I’m shocked. But can understand why you thought it was me – he slipped up and posted my nickname, probably after posting as me in a different thread. I don’t hold it against any of you for thinking it was me. I would have thought the same thing. Trekmovie really should have a “log in” function like they do at other sites. This “honour system” doesn’t seem to be working in the absence of moderators.

Oh, and for the record, I have watched Revolution and quite enjoyed it. I have 3 episodes waiting for me on my PVR. I do like Hawaii Five-O as well. I have to catch up on that show as well.

I think I might do as Daniel Craig is doing as well, a self imposed hiatus from this site until things get back to normal.

1163. TrekMadeMeWonder - October 25, 2012

Star Trek tidbit…

http://latino-review.com/2012/10/24/heather-langenkamp-star-trek-darkness/

BTW, All TrekMadeMeWonder posts are mine.
TrekMadeMeWonder TOS (The Original Signator)

1164. Jack - October 25, 2012

I’m not thrilled with multiple-thread, Lord of the Flies-style, Lynch-Montreal-Paul campaign above and on other stories over the past couple of days. It’s a pretty ridiculous, knee jerk leap from this-might-not-be-Montreal-Paul-here to Montreal-Paul-isn’t-real-and-has-always-been-a-troll-and-this-proves it… Heck, you guys went from story to story announcing this. WTF? And then others get in on it with ridiculous blanket statement s along the lines of — yeah, this makes sense because Montreal Paul is mean to Trekkers and he can be trolliish to those of us who think it’s Khan. Not cool.

1165. Guest - October 28, 2012

Maybe Khan’s mind is put in Gary Mitchell’s body?

1166. TrekMadeMeWonder - October 30, 2012

Manhatten into Darkness?

You got your wish Hollyweird.

1167. Andy Patterson - October 30, 2012

Off task but has anything really been on task here lately….here’s a story….

http://bottomline.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/30/14809629-disney-buying-lucasfilm-will-release-new-star-wars-movie-in-2015?lite

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