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Save the bridge! A behind the scenes look at the project to restore the Enterprise D bridge October 26, 2012

by Joseph Dickerson , Filed under: Fan Productions,Interview,Memorabilia , trackback

“Imagine being a Star Wars fan driving past Lucasfilm, and seeing the Millennium Falcon in a dumpster.”

Would never happen, right? Well, it did. Only it wasn’t Star Wars, and it wasn’t that infamous Corellian freighter found in a trash heap, it was the bridge of the finest ship in the galaxy, the USS Enterprise-D. And the Star Trek fan that found it is named Huston Huddleston, and he’s currently working to restore the bridge set to its former glory.

I talked at length with Huston about how he was able to acquire the Bridge, the details of how he started his project to restore the set, how the project is going, and the support he has gotten from fans and Star Trek professionals alike.

“Sir… it’s the Enterprise!”

It all started on a day Huston will never forget. “I was working at a company with a man who worked at Paramount. During lunch breaks we would talk, he’d show me blueprints and photos from Star Trek and tell me upcoming plans. It was a lot of fun, because he knew he was a Trek fan. One day he told me he was leaving the company and I said ‘Oh darn, now I’ll never get turn my living room into the bridge of the Enterprise’ and he said ‘Be careful what you wish for’. Huh? What? He took me to this warehouse in Long Beach and the entire bridge of the Enterprise D was sitting outside.”

“It was in despicable condition. It had been sitting outside for 5 years, had been rained on, cigarette butts, cat poop… everything. I got over the initial shock and thought ‘OK, what can I do with this?’ Which is not the sanest thought but you had to go with it.”

Huston did some research and found out that it was authentic, just not a set that was actually used on the show. “When I called CBS about it (before I even bought it) I wanted to make sure it was legitimate. I found out this set was built by Paramount in the late 90s for display and touring (the original Enterprise-D set was destroyed during the filming of Generations) and then management at Paramount changed. People forget, and this was forgotten about. Nobody cared about it.”

“Then quite a few months of negotiations with the warehouse owners went by. Someone had not paid their bill and they were left with this set, but they didn’t own it. All this time I was trying to figure out what to do with it, where to store it, etc.”

“They (the warehouse owners) finally called at the end of 2011 and said ‘Look, we are throwing this away, if you don’t do something with it. We are taking it to a landfill; we are using the medal for scrap. We know you want it.’ I said I can’t afford to pay whatever you want it, and they said just pay for the shipping and it’ll be a deal.”

But it wasn’t that easy. “It was still in the thousands of dollars just to pay to move it. It was three guys, and a moving van and a half. When I talk to people, I have to explain to them that it’s not just the chairs… It’s EVERYTHING, the whole ceiling, the walls, the framework, the molding, all the huge computers and everything just like you see it on TV.”


A look at the just some of bridge set components. Image from Newstarship.com.

“You have to do something with this.”

Then… nothing much happened. “So a year passed and all the rich cats I knew were like ‘That’s nice’ and all the fans were like ‘Sure, you own the bridge. Right.’ I went to the Star Trek con in Vegas this past August and met with Brannon Braga and Ronald D. Moore and John DeLancie and told them what I had. The most excited person was Ron. He wanted to see pictures and he was like a kid in the candy store, a geeky teenager. He told me ‘You have to do something with this.’ I cannot understate how generous he was with his time.” (Ron Moore appears in the Kickstarter project video and also autographed several items that has been offered as rewards for donations.)

“So the next morning I had a ‘eureka’ moment and I decided I was going to do a Kickstarter and on that Sunday I posted a page on Facebook saying ‘I’m restoring the Bridge.’ Two days later SyFy Channel did a story on their Blastr site and it exploded. Mike Okuda (Production Designer for Star Trek: The Next Generation and Trek historian) then told me ‘You need to change this’ and gave me some advice on the site. People were assuming it was the original set, and I made the text more specific based on Mike’s suggestions.”


One of the two t-shirts that is being sold to help raise money for the bridge restoration. The shirt is also being given away as a reward on Kickstarter to anyone who pledges $20 or more.

The sudden media attention made Huston “kickstart” his efforts. “I had to rush to pull everything together, and in that first two weeks I was completely overwhelmed, didn’t know what I was doing. I’m a writer, but I’m a writer who doesn’t get interviewed a lot. And most of the articles didn’t even talk to me, they just copied other articles, and some of them were wrong, and the fans were like ‘you lied!’ No we didn’t lie, they never talked to us!”

“Luckily quite a few people came onboard to help me who were Star Trek fans, there were technical people who came forward… it took two different people to do the website (http://www.newstarship.com)… there was a brilliant guy who helped wrangle our Kickstarter page, David Raiklin, who also did the extremely successful Space Command fundraiser. My main guy, Brian Uiga, he’s doing most of the restoration and he’s also the one who helped restore the real TARDIS from the 1995 Doctor Who TV movie, in addition to a couple of the Herbie cars from the Love Bug and KITT from Knight Rider. I’ve surrounded myself with a bunch of pros. My biggest skill on this is as Producer, in coordinating people and making decisions. I think the biggest thing is I know what I want, which is the role of the Producer.”

Huston gives a lot of credit to both the fans and the people who has worked on the original show for their support and ideas. “This would not be what it has been without

all the fans and the pros, the real cast and crew. We have gotten great feedback from the fans, and great ideas. One example, we have T-shirts that we are selling to raise money that said “Captain I saved the Bridge” and this fan Otto Vondonk suggested we put ‘Shut up, Wesley!’ on the back, which was a brilliant idea! We have feedback on the designs for the isolinear chips we are going to be giving away as part of the Kickstarter. As Communistic as this sounds, this whole thing is by fans for fans.”


The blueprints of the bridge they will be using to restore the set. Image from Newstarship.com.

“Engage!”

One big concern Huston had once the restoration plans were set was how Paramount would respond to this project. “Dealing with CBS was very scary to me, even though they were very cool. The first time I contacted them about our plans I heard nothing back for over two weeks…. It was nerve wracking. They finally got back to me and they said, ‘Change this and this.’ and that was all. They have been great about all this. They have been very honest with me, as long as I’m not making money and as long as I’m not hurting the franchise.” Huston has formed a non-profit corporation to cover all the costs and legal obligations of the restoration effort.

Huston and crew are attending many different conventions over the next few months to promote and gather support for his project. “We are doing the conventions to show off the chairs, so people can sit in them and take pictures. We are selling shirts to help raise money. And the entire Next Gen cast is going to be at the Wizard World shows in Austin Texas and New Orleans. My first panic attack was when Sir Patrick Stewart’s people said ‘Sir Patrick wants to see pictures of the chair he will be sitting in’ – and it wasn’t ready yet!”


Two of the bridge chairs. Image from Newstarship.com.

Besides finishing the Captain’s chair for Sir Patrick, the next big restoration milestone is the restoration of Worf’s tactical station, which should be fixed by February. The most immediate focus, however, is on the current Kickstarter campaign. “We are asking for $20,000 and that is the bare minimum to keep the stuff housed. To be honest, it’ll be $100,000 to $200,000 to get it housed and fixed. This ain’t gonna be cheap. It cost $600,000 to build the original set in the 90s, and we’re trying to make it interactive. We’re doing a multimillion project for the cost of a storage bin.”

One of the most interesting things about the restoration is that planned interactive element. “We’re in the early days, we’re still trying to figure the tech out. The idea is if we have the person in the captain’s chair hit the red alert button it will change the lighting, change the screen, make the sounds. There are lots of computers. Troi and Riker’s computers are small, but the ones in the back behind Worf’s station are quite large, and Worf’s is curved which is quite tricky. Conn and Ops are also extremely large, and you can’t buy that kind of stuff at a Best Buy. We know we need those and we will also need speakers… a lot of speakers. We need a projector, lots of lighting, lots of effects, and some kind of networking station to get these things together…”

“Right now we are just trying to concentrate on the money getting out of debt for the initial thousands of dollars I’ve already put out. That’s our initial focus. Our next step is to then concentrate on the technology.”

Huston is planning to unveil the restored bridge in late 2013. “We will be taking parts of the set to the conventions for the next year, and then when we finally get everything together, we will do our grand unveiling in LA in a Hollywood soundstage, and all of those incentives that you will find on Kickstarter will be done… and we have to do all those back to back, because it’s such a massive structure it takes a day to put it together and a day to strike the set.”

“Make it so!”

“This is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. And I want to share this – which is why we’re opening it up to the public! I don’t want people to be jealous. I don’t want it to just be in my living room and I go ‘Tee Hee! It’s mine, all mine!’ If I were sitting there and hoarding all this, I would be the biggest jerk in the world. I want to make people happy and make this thing work. I’ve gotten these generous stories from people who went to the (now closed) Star Trek Experience in Vegas. One person talked about going to it with his father, who since passed away, and how they want his name on the Bridge in memory of him… It’s really touching. And I just got word from CBS that they have no problem with our performing weddings on the bridge, which is a huge thing, and will bring many people happiness, any sex, any religion, any alien species.”


An Isolinear chip with your name engraved on it can be placed on the bridge set as a Kickstarter reward.

“My ultimate vision is to continue to take as much of the set to conventions and then to find a permanent home for it… and we don’t know where yet. It’s going to take a lot of help and support from some city or private individual to do it right. We have gotten a couple of offers, so we’ll see.”

Support the Bridge Restoration project by donating to the Kickstarter. Huston is working on getting even more incentives and rewards for donations, so keep checking back! For pictures and even more details visit http://www.newstarship.com.

Joseph Dickerson is a writer, User Experience Architect (and Star Trek fan) focused on designing effective and innovative on-line and mobile applications. For more from Joseph visit josephdickerson.com or follow him on twitter: @josephdickerson.

 


Comments

1. James Cannon - Runcorn Trekkie UK - October 26, 2012

The D Bridge always seemed like nothing really was happening. ie not many seats or stations. Preferred the Classic Bridge.

2. The Keeper - October 26, 2012

Why? It’s one of the least interesting bridges…in fact down right dull and boring. Might make a great smoking lounge.

3. CmdrR - October 26, 2012

So, it’s a knock-off built years after the series finished.
I commend your loyalty to the idea, but it’s not a true artifact of tv history… or the 24th century shipwright’s art.
The ramps aren’t really there, are they?

4. Harry Ballz - October 26, 2012

I’m glad they were able to BRIDGE this topic.

5. Orb of the Emissary - October 26, 2012

#1, #2 – But… it’s the Enterprise-D!! Home of the crew for 7 wonderful years on TNG. And yeah, other bridges have come and gone since TNG ended it’s run, but whenever I see this particular bridge, I get all nostalgic (since it was TNG that got me really hooked onto Star Trek).

6. Underhill - October 26, 2012

go Huston!

7. John Whorfin - October 26, 2012

Here’s my big geeky question…

Will the restoration be sticking to the “cheated” flat floor, or adding the ramps to make it more true to the original?

8. Robert Bernardo - October 26, 2012

Ah, this is exciting. More history being preserved, just like the Galileo at http://galileorestoration.com/

9. Kirk, James T. - October 26, 2012

They should set it up in London and leave it here – Patrick Stewart is British. If Kirk is a US household name, Picard is a UK household name.

Plus London is really the Capital of the world so makes sense.

Its A great idea and I wish them well.

10. Mr. Anonymous - October 26, 2012

As fun as it sounds (and it DOES sound fun), how much is it going to cost monthly to provide ongoing air conditioning and electricity to it? I mean, godspeed if he can keep it going, but I knew a family who paid over $600 a month just to keep their house cooled and powered…

11. Dr. Cheis - October 26, 2012

The interactive feature seems overly ambitious to me, but it would be nice if the chairs and the room still existed somewhere.

As a side note, I wouldn’t mind seeing the modified “Generations” version. I thought the floor looked better in that one even though Worf really doesn’t need a chair.

12. Greg - October 26, 2012

Sorry, but why in all of these re-creations of the D bridge can’t they get the chairs to look right? The material, the width of the open space in the middle of the back… it stands out so much and I wouldn’t think it would be that difficult to re-create correctly.

13. MJ - October 26, 2012

My least favorite bridge of all Star Trek ships….looked like a glorified Circuit City large screen tv viewing room circa 1985. Good riddance! :-)

14. Captain Hackett - October 26, 2012

Great article!

I hope to sit on captain’s chair as soon as it is finished! :)

15. T'Cal - October 26, 2012

Chicago?? Yes!! We got screwed by not getting a shuttle so we are owed the Bridge. Owed, dammit!

16. boborci - October 26, 2012

interesting

17. (the real) Montreal_Paul - October 26, 2012

16. boborci

Hey Bob! What happens after the 3 picture deal is done? Will you & JJ & the gang stay on for further Trek movies or do you feel that someone else with be taking over and another reboot will happen… much like Nolan & Batman trilogy?

18. SoonerDave - October 26, 2012

While this is a very interesting project, the fact that it is a set never used for a TV or movie production really blunts the excitement for me. I mean, power to the folks undertaking it, wish them well, but it just doesn’t resonate with me. By the same token, the Galileo project is *very* compelling specifically *because* it was the set/prop used in TOS nearly five decades ago. That’s cool.

Good luck to both projects.

19. Ben - October 26, 2012

boborci,

Pending the completion of the trilogy and any future plans of the franchise, any hope of getting the new Enterprise bridge set donated to a museum somewhere?

Thanks sir! looking forward to “Darkness”!

20. CJS - October 26, 2012

If they redo it as the bridge from Yesterday’s Enterprise, it might be interesting. But the whole project is kind of pointless. You not only have to restore the bridge, but you have to be able to maintain it long term. Otherwise the whole enterprise is just a waste of time and money.

21. ST:EXP - October 26, 2012

http://www.360cities.net/image/enterprise-bridge

22. No Khan - October 26, 2012

Looks like poor 80’s furniture. The art direction for the TOS movies & TNG was really horrible. At least TOS looked like something fresh & futuristic. I wish the new movies would drop the all white apple look & just upgrade TOS look.

23. Mary Czerwinski - October 26, 2012

I like the charity and educational aspects to this project, but I think it’s a very ambitious undertaking. Once they get the money, it will cost even more in upkeep, housing, carting it around and electricity. Who will be responsible for those costs? I support the idea behind this, but I am not sure it’s practical unless museums like the EMP or Smithsonian get involved. However, it might be a hard sell since it’s NOT the original bridge. Star Trek The Experience sadly went under and they had way more going on then just the bridge to sit on. Best of luck though!

24. Vultan - October 26, 2012

The only bridges that looked good to me were the original TOS with the jelly bean buttons, the understated TWOK re-redesign (with Spock to Kirk’s right where he belonged), and the submarine bridge of TUC. The rest are variations of the latter, a Ramada Inn lobby, and a Steve Jobs meets Liberace nightmare.

Still, I admire the dedication to TNG.
Good luck to all involved.

25. Remington Steele - October 26, 2012

Wow, no crying on this article yet!

It’s almost a record..

Thanks for the article Joseph!

26. Lt. Bailey - October 26, 2012

A very worthy adventure to be sure, us fans need to rally behind this. I know my wife and I will… although she does not know it yet.

27. adjunct37beta - October 26, 2012

Hopefully if they succeed with this and restore the bridge they’ll make it look ALOT closer to the on screen bridge. There’s a lot of the stuff about that first bridge image that’s just…well completely wrong. Still, a noble project. Perhaps they should try to take that bridge and modify it to the Generations bridge redux.

28. Chain of Command - October 26, 2012

I never understood why, when they build “recreations” of original sets, they never really look like the original sets.

I mean, they have blueprints, 179 episodes, a movie and endless vaults full of pictures of the bridge. Surely they can make it look more like the actual bridge.

29. Hollywood Museum Artifact - October 26, 2012

When I was last visiting the LA area, in 2001, I remember touring a museum in Hollywood, not far down from the Grauman’s Chinese Theater, beneath a movie theater that has now since closed. In this museum were several artifacts from different tv shows that included not just set pieces, but costumes and props. I did take video of the tour and remember seeing the TNG bridge and the bar from Cheers, but am not sure where it is to review it at this time.

When the tour guide explained that it the original set piece, I disagreed with him because I remember they destroyed it in the movie. Either that, or it was in quite disarray from all the pyrotechnics and fires set on it when they filmed the crash landing sequence. The tour guide vehemently denied it was a fake. He had to have been some young guy in his early 20s and clearly had little knowledge of Star Trek history, or at least read up on it for the tour. I do remember he loved being filmed as he smiled and gestured too much.

In any case, my friend and I walked around this bridge and realized it could not be the original merely because the scale and size were all wrong. Worf’s console had a fake quality to it..I do not recall what kind of display console it had or any.

I’m guessing this bridge set has to be the replica piece that was at the Hollywood Museum way back then. Its got to be the one.

30. Adm Bomb 1701 - October 26, 2012

Good luck to all involved. Although the first thing I thought about while reading this article was the “Seinfeld” episode when Kramer finds the old set from “The Merv Griffin Show” in a dumpster, and rebuilds it in his living room. And, the original “TNG” bridge set was built in 1987, and not “the 90’s.”

31. AJ - October 26, 2012

Don’t forget the track marks on Riker’s chair.

32. boborci - October 26, 2012

17. montreal p

i truly dont know the answer to that. my gut is that it feels selfish to stick around after 3, but who knows. that decisin is years away.

33. SoonerDave - October 26, 2012

@29 “Worf’s console had a fake quality to it.”

I don’t remember where I read it, but during the production of Wrath of Khan 30+ years ago, I read some little sci-fi blurb about a guy who knew someone who knew someone at Paramount, and got invited to an informal tour of the Enterprise sets back on old Stage 9. Now, why I remember this in particular I couldn’t tell ya, but I do…after touring the bridge set, the guy wrote something to the effect of “I couldn’t believe how fake everything looked. Plywood and plastic, badly painted,” I remember it being a testimony to the “faults” film, lighting, and effects hides :)

That said, never was a *huge* fan of the TMP bridge…always seemed waaay too big to me. Never truly seemed like a “next iteration” of the TOS bridge…

34. SoonerDave - October 26, 2012

33..con’t

Just meant to finish off that comment by saying what few TV sets I’ve ever been able to visit have *always* looked very haphazard. Got to see Johnny Carson back when I was about 17, and I couldn’t believe how small the set was compared to how I imagined it on TV. Same thing went for a couple of game shows we attended (just as audience members); the sets were just tiny and flimsy looking in person relative to how your mind perceives them to be just watching them on TV…

35. T'Cal - October 26, 2012

How about a location (like Navy Pier in Chicago or the Adler Planetarium in Chicago) where the D-Bridge is erected and then joined by a mock up of TOS’s Bridge and finally JJA’s Enterprise Bridge? A suburban location might keep costs down, though.

36. Negotiator - October 26, 2012

No need to imagine. Lucas DID trash the life size Millennium Falcon seen inside the planet Hot rebel hangar.

What was George thinking? The ship belonged in a museum. To quote Indy.

37. T'Cal - October 26, 2012

33 & 34: With the right lighting and angles, I’ll bet the cheesiest sets look pretty good on film. That being said, the Bridge for The Experience looked awesome the first few years but in its final months, the wear was obvious. My wife and I brought our kids to The Experience its last summer and we renewed our vows on the Bridge. The people couldn’t have been nicer and we had the run of the Bridge as well as the Borg chamber. Up close, the wear and tear was evident and that’s when I saw that, I knew that the end was near for that monument to our favorite shows and movies. I still can’t believe that that was allowed to die with out relocating it. Truly a pity.

38. Negotiator - October 26, 2012

Isn’t there a promotion through Facebook to get 100,000 “likes” to a Star Trek page in order to release a Star Trek 12 trailer?

Boborci?

39. Phil - October 26, 2012

Someone needs to kickstart my memory here – didn’t this story pop up a few months back, and this bridge was a touring model of some sort?

40. Phil - October 26, 2012

@38. That was a fake site. Turned out there were a few of them on FB – I’d suggested on chat, for giggles, that we should start kicking out fake news releases to see if we could get anyone to bite on them…..for fun, of course.

41. WillH85 - October 26, 2012

Sorry, if it were the actual bridge I could get behind the idea, but trying to restore something that’s just a recreation, just seems kind of pointless. Seems like it would be better just to get the blueprints and make your own at that point. Especially considering that all of the recreations have looked like cheap knockoffs of the original.

42. bmar - October 26, 2012

33 – It’s true. I never saw the TNG soundstages in person, but I did have a chance to tour the Voyager sets and bridge once, and was struck by the same feeling – it’s painted wood and plastic. Looked and felt much “cheaper” than it appeared on screen. Of course, these were the days before HD, so set designers had a lot more latitude with materials. SD video was a lot more forgiving.

43. Nony - October 26, 2012

I always felt bad for whoever was manning the stations at the back of the TNG bridge…they’d have to stand up for their entire shift. How uncomfortable it must be to work for hours at a crotch-level console that you can’t even lean on for a second, lest you accidentally turn off life support to deck seven or something.

44. Marshal McMellon - October 26, 2012

Okay- this SO reminds me of that episode of Seinfeld where Kramer found the old ‘Mike Douglas Show’ set in some dumpsters outside a studio.

SPOILER ALERT*****

He dug them out, brought them home, set them up and then pretended to be doing a constantly running talk show in his living room. LOL!

45. sean - October 26, 2012

#44

I believe it was the Merv Griffin set, not Mike Douglas.

46. Brett L. - October 26, 2012

I recall seeing the three chairs from the actual 1701-D bridge at the Hollywood Entertainment Museum about 8-10 years ago (at least they were billed as the real deal). It seemed plausible as it was the chairs and not much else. They also had the Engineering back wall (with the large Enterprise graphic) and several Trek costumes. The museum subsequently closed, but I don’t know what happened to that stuff. Some of the museum’s collection has turned up at auction, but to my knowledge, none of their Trek pieces. Does anyone know where they went?

47. PromoBoy - October 26, 2012

Man, you guys are cold!
It’s the Enterprise D bridge from Paramount for cryin’ out loud.
Just because it wasn’t actually used in the show doesn’t diminish its value. I stand behind the restoration and applaud Huston’s determination and enthusiasm. Good luck- and keep fighting the good fight. All true fans are behind you, Huston!

48. Platitude - October 26, 2012

Seems a little ambitious, but super rad if they can pull it off!

49. Melllvar - October 26, 2012

Oh man this is amazing. ‘Unbelievable Coolness Factor’ is an understatement! Despite being a student who is stereotypically poor as hell, I will donate to this. My desire to come to the united states has just risen exponentially! In a few years!

Best of luck Huston Huddleston, I hope that you succeed in your incredible endeavors.
A giant thumbs up from Australia! And to think, they were just going to throw it away…

50. Melllvar - October 26, 2012

Oh and ps why would anyone complain about this?

What more could you possibly want than a giant interactive D-bridge?! Hell, if they had the original set you would all probably complain that ‘its not a real spaceship why don’t they make something that can actually fly’.

Why don’t you haters actually DO something that is remotely as impressive as what our friend Huston is doing and THEN talk him down?!?

51. P Technobabble - October 26, 2012

32. “…my gut is that it feels selfish to stick around after 3…”

Go on, be selfish!

52. Bud Brewster - October 26, 2012

Wow. I had to read every comment all the way to the bottom of the list to find one which was totally supportive of the project and completely in favor of restoring this bridge recreation in spite of the fact that it isn’t the “original” set.

In view of the fact that the original set was destroyed in Generations, this one is as close as we can get. And many of the comments above pointed out that “original” sets from various series they’ve seen looked pretty bad when examined closely.

Wouldn’t a restored version of a duplicate set look better than the old beat-up original?

If I were offered the chance to walk around on an “original” set that was in ragged condition or a “restored” version which looked like I expected from a beloved TV series, I’d take the restored one any day!

To all you folks who asked, “What’s the point?” in the comments above, my answer is, “The point is to create something real which measures up to the fond memories we have of great science fiction series.”

If your memories of the bridge from TNG aren’t that pleasant, please don’t bother to visit the set when it goes on display. It will make the line shorter for those of use who want to see it.

53. T'Cal - October 26, 2012

I have no problem with this recreation as opposed to actual screen-used sets. As others have noted, the screen-used sets tended to be cheap looking up close. A set like this one was designed to be viewed up close. More importantly, it was built under the supervision of Okuda and Zimmerman! ’nuff said, boys.

54. AZLadyWolf - October 26, 2012

@Bud Brewster — Yeah! what you said!! and double it. I’m at the 25th Anniversary TNG convention in Austin, and have talked with the guy working on restoring the Captain’s chair, and even got to sit in Riker’s and Troi’s chairs – either from the traveling exhibit or the Experience in LV. (So I guess all of those folks complaining that it isn’t the “real” Enterprise D bridge wouldn’t have been impressed with the Las Vegas Experience either –…) I’m all for this, and will be sending in my contribution as soon as I get home.

55. Buzz Cagney - October 26, 2012

#9 HUH? Kirk is a UK, indeed an internationally, known name.

The thing looks like so much firewood to me.

56. DonDonP1 - October 26, 2012

#9 and #55 William Shatner is a Canadian. Yet, Canada is a part of the Commonwealth, like the United Kingdom.

57. NCM - October 26, 2012

@ 32. boborci – October 26, 2012

“i truly dont know the answer to that. my gut is that it feels selfish to stick around after 3, but who knows. that decisin is years away.”

I don’t suppose you can tell us that you expect all of the ‘bridge actors’ to return for the third movie? If I recall correctly, I’d read way back when that they were contracted 5 years out, but I doubt a third film will be completed by the end of that timeline. Maybe they all graciously signed an extension…?

58. Magic_Al - October 26, 2012

The TNG bridge seems the most accurately designed of all the 24th-century bridges if it is supposed to fit the technology and philosophy of the time. A bridge such as Voyager’s seems like a step backwards: why does it suddenly need all those control panels when the Enterprise-D hardly needed any? Technology hides its complexity more the farther we go.

59. BeatleJWOL - October 26, 2012

Still baffled at the ambivalence here.

Yes, it’s not THE bridge of the Enterprise-D, but it’s THE BRIDGE OF THE ENTERPRISE-D.

I do agree with those that say the ideas for this project are quite ambitious, and that the upkeep might potentially be horrendous. Still, what is Star Trek if not optimism?

60. Corkscrew - October 27, 2012

Hey fake boborci bla bla question for fake boborci bla bla bla. That is getting so tiresome. It’s a big deal when boborci shows up here. When fake boborci comments its dumb. When people interact with fake boborci it’s also dumb. Back when the comments were moderated, I’m sure Anthony had email confirmation that it really was boborci. I’m sure the people or person posting as boborci has an email like “therealboborci@aol.com.”

61. Blabbersouth - October 27, 2012

This is not the bridge. The original is gone. This would be like donating to preserve one of the many copies of the TOS bridge that have been built since the 60’s. It’s not the real thing – who cares?

62. President Obama - October 27, 2012

boborci If you don’t respond immediately, that will be confirmation that the bad guy in the new film is the Gorn. P.S. you are invited to the White House for dinner next Wednesday. Please bring William Shatner too.

63. chrisfawkes.com - October 27, 2012

Very cool. Great work guys.

64. Toonloon - October 27, 2012

So, it’s not the actual bridge?

Save your money and effort, or even better, do something for charity.

65. Basement Blogger - October 27, 2012

Good to hear from Ron Moore. And good luck to restoring the bridge.

66. Elias Javalis - October 27, 2012

Kickstart a campaign to feed the poor instead!

67. TrekTech - October 27, 2012

#66
Get a job

68. Romulus - October 27, 2012

Why do people feel the need to tell us that they hated the “D” bridge?, the article is not about the popularity of the prop and is not soliciting your preference, sometimes you lot need to check your egos, anyway good luck to Huston and his worthy project.

69. Banned - October 27, 2012

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70. (the real) Montreal_Paul - October 27, 2012

That’s NOT me at comment 69. Stunkill is back again!

71. Banned - October 27, 2012

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72. (the real) Montreal_Paul - October 27, 2012

69 &71 I don’t use the word “dude” so stop the impersonation and move on.

This is ridiculous. Go away stunkill… or whatever your name is.

73. Sebastian S. - October 27, 2012

I prefer TOS’ bridge; more colorful and visually interesting (even if it’s hokey and long outdated). The E’s bridge always seemed a bit visually flat and dull to me (the terra cotta/earth tones were too ’80s for my taste), but nevertheless I wish them luck in their endeavor. Everyone has the right to fulfill a harmless passion or two.

I wouldn’t recommend it for parties, however; there’s a good chance all of that restoration could be shot to hell. I think an interactive science/technology tool for school kids would be ideal. Make it a Smithsonian piece or a touring exhibit to get kids interested in space science…

And if they don’t succeed in the restoration?
I’m reminded of the last ST-TNG episode title, “All Good Things….”

74. a - October 27, 2012

Can’t believe how many “It’s not THE original? Meh!” comments there are already. That’s precisely what’s giving Trekkies a bad name

75. John from Cincinnati - October 27, 2012

The Enterprise D set was destroyed during filming.
Captain Kirk murdered.

Ahhh Rick Berman, you’ve added so much to the world of Star Trek

76. milojthatch - October 27, 2012

#32 What, you mean you and your gang might leave Trek after the 3rd JJ-Trek film? Oh, don’t tease me, just tell me it’s so now. Hopefully when you are gone, we can get back to the PRIME universe again! :D

#75 Did you really want the Enterprise-D in all of the TNG features? Look, I loved the D myself, but the crew needed a more “movie-ish” ship for the film. As for Kirk’s death, I’m not as big of a fan of HOW he died, but I’m ok with him being dead. Sooner or later, Shatner (dare I say) won’t be with us anymore, and the alternative is finding a new Kirk to replace him. Oh wait, they did that, and it turned out so great! not. Lay off of Berman.

I fully support the efforts of this campaign! I’ve been in contact with the guy running it here and there and he seems very nice. I wish him the best!

77. Ahmed - October 27, 2012

The new Star Trek comic that is related to the sequel directly. It will out in January 2013, which by that time, the trailer will be released and we will have some ideas what the sequel is all about.

Star Trek: Countdown to Darkness #1

http://www.startrek.com/article/idw-heading-into-darkness-this-january

78. Lostrod - October 27, 2012

Did anyone noticed they misspelled “Darkness” as “Darrkness” in the title:

http://www.startrek.com/article/idw-heading-into-darkness-this-january

Was that intentional?

Regards.

79. Nostromo - October 28, 2012

I hate to rain on this guys parade but they just got rid of the one from the Star Trek Experience in Las Vegas a few years ago that was in way better shape.

It’s nice that he got it but no one should put any money into it. He has the plans which means anyone could rebuild the set.

80. Thor - October 28, 2012

http://trekweb.com/articles/2012/10/28/Upcoming-Star-Trek-Video-Game-Prequel-to-Into-Darkness-at-London-Comic-Con-See-New-Promotional-Image-.shtml

81. Kev - October 28, 2012

Hollywood Museum Artifact that was also a perception trick. the one on the show outside of the view screen area where the cameras were to my knowledge is about the same size as the TMP and TOS bridge. just with a raised area behind the captains chair and roof to make it seem much bigger and more spacious .

and I believe the battle bridge of the D was actually the TMP bridge redressed with the raised outskirts, sunk mid area and much lower roof.

SoonerDave, how so with the TOS bridge outside of the color schemes and buttons? the TMP one seemed the same to me just with a more military like color scheme

and well theres a reason why they say never meet your heroes and with computer tech being as primative as it was back then I’m not surprised it deflated him abit plus no running noises either.

although I would have loved to have seen the ST 4 bridge be the main one for the remaining movies:

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101010050257/memoryalpha/en/images/e/ee/Constitution_class_refit_bridge_2.jpg

plus it had the first Okudagrams on it to my knowledge and I just love how lightened up it looked.

so would that have been what you wanted out of the TMP bridge, or with more 60’s flare?

82. Phil - October 28, 2012

78. Misspellings on whatever you are looking at are usually tipoffs that it’s fake.

83. Rattlesnake - October 28, 2012

I really do hope this miserable project fails. Things like this really rob Kickstarter of any credibility. It kind of reminds me of The Jerk, where Steve Martin’s character (he’s a millionaire) is being lobbied into donating money to all kinds of worthless and ridiculous causes.

Seriously, donating money to some bridge copy that was never even on the show … you should dream a little bigger, sunshine.

84. Thor - October 28, 2012

http://trekweb.com/articles/2012/10/28/All-Good-Things-Director-Winrich-Kolbe-Dies-at-Age-of-71.shtml

85. Thor - October 28, 2012

http://trekweb.com/articles/2012/10/28/First-Look-at-Cover-for-Upcoming-Original-Series-Novel-The-Folded-World.shtml

86. DeShonn Steinblatt - October 28, 2012

Give me all your money and I’ll fix up an old tricorder I found in the dumpster.

87. Lostrod - October 28, 2012

#82

However, that misspelling is from the official ST site. Why would they publish a fake?

Regards.

88. Son of Sarek - October 28, 2012

200 days until we Trek Into Darkness. Hope this not prove to be the epitaph of Trek, however it sure refers to the outcome if this film isn’t promoted soon.

89. Lostrod - October 28, 2012

Interesting.

Startrek.com has changed the image for the prequel comic book to hide the misspelling of darkness as Darrkness.

The original image is at:

http://trekweb.com/articles/2012/10/27/Official-Star-Trek-Site-Announces-Star-Trek-Into-Darkness-Prequel-Comics.shtml

Regards.

90. Christopher Mulrooney - October 28, 2012

@ T’Cal How was the Windy City Screwed on getting a shuttle? First Off, California gets a shuttle because all of them were built in California, Thats a Given, Because every orbiter was built in Palmdale California and transporters to Florida Space Center, Also DC our National Museum of Air and Space thats another Given, now the Prototype given to New York to the Intrepid Museum I would question because its going to be on the Flight Deck of the Aircraft Carrier and I am worried its going to not hold up well with the New York Weather unless they are working on making and enclosed for the Shuttle and one ending up to keep at View at NASA. SO I believe that yes they should be shared with the Nation, but your city has nothing to do with the building or maintaining of the Shuttle and just because they bid for it to be displayed at the locations that was chosen because they had something to do with the Building and national importance Minus the one in New York City, The Enterprise because of the concerns on how its going to maintain and endure for future Generations to enjoy.

91. BeatleJWOL - October 28, 2012

#78, 82, 89

Any of you Sherlocks ever heard of a TYPO?

92. NCM - October 28, 2012

Thanks to those providing links to info. Who needs AP?

93. AJ - October 28, 2012

90:

The Enterprise orbiter in NYC is already enclosed in a special structure.

http://www.intrepidmuseum.org/

It was meant to be completed before the winter. Let’s hope the Intrepid does well during hurricane Sandy. It’s in a mandatory evacuation zone on the Hudson.

94. Craiger - October 28, 2012

We should all go over to Trekweb and post their since they have more news than Trekmovie does.

95. SAVE TREKMOVIE.COM - October 28, 2012

There should be a SAVE TREKMOVIE website! There, you can find a new webmaster for TrekMovie.com who will actually keep it up to date!

Anyone game?

96. SAVE TREKMOVIE.COM - October 28, 2012

#93 — Ah yes! One of the space shuttles Obama gave to a state with no space industry because he hates Texas!! Great.

97. Lostrod - October 28, 2012

#91

“#78, 82, 89

Any of you Sherlocks ever heard of a TYPO?”

Actually, as a former editor, I have. However, this was in the artwork itself.

Nice touch with the snarky response.

Regards.

98. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 28, 2012

Actually I think that the extra ‘r’ being put in is deliberate. It is used to emphasize the word ‘darkness’ as in a lot of ‘darrkness’, perhaps over a great expanse. In fact, that is what I first thought/felt when I read the title.

For example – we might write “over a ‘looong’ period of time” to emphasize the length of time, or how I might write, “he is sooo lovely”, if you get what I mean. It is all about how you might read and say the word ‘darrkness’ with it having the extra ‘r’.

Sometimes we need to feel the words and wayward spelling is one way of helping the reader do this…

However, I do find the new game’s, where nu Kirk and Spock are fighting the Gorn and comic’s, where we see once again, nu Kirk and Spock running around with big guns and “armour plating”, ethically questionable…

Bob Orci?

99. Red Dead Ryan - October 28, 2012

I’m pretty sure its merely a typo, Keachick. I don’t think we should be trying to read anything more into what is already there.

100. NCM - October 28, 2012

94. Craiger – October 28, 2012

“We should all go over to Trekweb and post their since they have more news than Trekmovie does.”

Yea, I feel guilty reading things on the maintained sites and citing them here. There are actually people at the other sites dedicated to a consistent effort to keep Trek news flowing, and relevant; yet this site seems to be the only one with a community. The other guys deserve better.

101. Ahmed - October 28, 2012

#94. Craiger – October 28, 2012

“We should all go over to Trekweb and post their since they have more news than Trekmovie does.”

Yeah, I think that we should all do that & stop posting here until something new is published on this site.

102. Lostrod - October 28, 2012

Yep, sounds like it’s time to jump starship …

Regards.

103. chrisfawkes.com - October 28, 2012

Would all you boys talking about moving to another forum just do it and not bother to announce it.

104. BeatleJWOL - October 28, 2012

@97

Fair point. Surely, though, you as an editor should be quite familiar with those mistakes, either yours or others, that slip under the radar because you’ve viewed the exact same thing so many times that a little thing like a repeated lettter just doesn’t merit your attention anymore.

Right?

105. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 28, 2012

#104 – My father-in-law is an author. He needs another person to read what he has written because this person actually SEES what he has actually typed, whereas sometimes he can only see what he thinks should be there. This is not uncommon. This is one of the reasons why there are proof-readers.

In the case of the comic’s title, either there was no proof-reader, or the reader did not pick up the spelling typo (oh dear) OR the word ‘darrkness’ is meant to be spelled this way, for this particular comic.

106. boomer13 - October 29, 2012

SAVE TREKMOVIE! I am saddened to see my favourite Trek site look so dead. I think Anthony has done a great job but if he has stuff in his life that needs to be taken care of. Then all the best to him. This isn’t real life. Hopefully, he will be back.

107. Daoud - October 29, 2012

Hi Captain Harrkness!
Welcome to Planet Darrkness
Summer at Loccch Ness!

108. Lostrod - October 29, 2012

#104

Yes, typos happen. I just thought it odd that it got to the point it did. My original post was asking whether the spelling was possibly intentional. The misspelling was on artwork, not typeset.

At any rate, it appears it has been corrected, based on this image:

http://insidepulse.com/?attachment_id=316100

Regards.

109. falkan - October 29, 2012

Any word on the status of the Enterprise-E bridge set? Now that the franchise in off the TNG timeline, I wonder what’s been done with it.

110. Bobby - October 29, 2012

It could have been put together quickly (oh yeah, we need that cover for a power point presentation — in 15 minutes! Uh, we’ll email you that image file…) — sure, they had the art but typed the title into photoshop or whichever program and didn’t notice.

It also could have been done by somebody whose first language wasn’t English (although, my first language is English and I’ve made similar mistakes — I type fast and just didn’t see them on my own work).

Also possible at the guys who posted the image up on a site like Trek.com either didn’t notic eor didn’t read it fully…

When you know it’s supposed to say Journey Into Darkness, you mit not realize that it says Darkkness. Especially in a cool font. Or may e somebody got sent the tite with the typo and thiught, oh, it’s SciFi, it must have some special geek meaning.

111. TrekMadeMeWonder - October 29, 2012

Go get ‘em fellas!! Nice video. Best of luck.

Now, I am off to my favorite charity. Feed a Trekkie.;

112. Red Dead Ryan - October 29, 2012

#109.

I know that at least portions of the E-E bridge were auctioned off back in 2006. So its not very likely that Paramount has anything remaining of it.

Which is kind of too bad, it was a great-looking bridge. Better than the E-D one.

113. Marshall McMellon - October 29, 2012

@ #45- Sean: YES! You ARE correct it was the old Merv Griffin set, NOT Mike Douglas. LOL! My bad. I’ll research my facts next time. ;)

114. bardicjim - October 29, 2012

They misspelled it to give folks something to moan about. It’s a new marketing strategy. All they need to do is make themselves look rubbish and they get people yapping.

115. porthoses bitch - October 29, 2012

I still remember in the eighties going around the corner at the Smithsonion an see the tos Enterprise suspended in front of me.It took my breath away. And wbile im sure this is a worthy cause to some I d rather donate to a fund to restore the Galileo shuttlecraft. Has anyone heard anymore about the Londoner who was selling his Enterprise D flat ?…

116. Banned - October 29, 2012

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117. Captain Braxton - October 29, 2012

i laughed like hell at the first line. the empire always dumps their space garbage before going to hyperspace! well it looks like the enterprise d was hauled away as garbage by the klingons. scotty wasn’t around to get them to ‘rephrase that’.

118. Stunk/ill - October 29, 2012

Who’s Ron Moore on here?

119. Lostrod - October 29, 2012

#116

MJ – you have an out here. With all the fake posters using other poster names. I don’t believe you dude. You will be back. At least to tell me where you’ve gone so I can haunt you.

Regards.

120. Jack - October 29, 2012

119. Ditto. And I’m also really leaving. But was lurking for a few days. Right now I’m weaning myself off this thing…

121. Craiger - October 29, 2012

I wondered if this might happen members leaving because of the lack of updates on this site.

122. Jack - October 29, 2012

PS. Nothing against the author, but these pieces have generally read like posts he could have written for his own blog: Here’s what I think of…
I’m glad he’s branching out into interviews here.

123. Bob Tompkins - October 29, 2012

What with sluggish- to- nonexistent updates on Trekmovie, here is some important news,
Locations for the Star Trek TNG Season 2 theatrical event>>>
http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/28102012theatre.html

124. Bob Tompkins - October 29, 2012

Nice that they added the Wabash Landing in West Lafayette, Indiana just for me!

125. Bob Tompkins - October 29, 2012

Screening will consist of Q-Who? and The Measure of a Man with an extra 13 minutes of footage!

126. Bob Tompkins - October 29, 2012

Here is the Fathom link to buy tickets.

http://www.fathomevents.com/classics/event/startrekng2.aspx

127. Gary S. - October 29, 2012

Well ,
I am not going anywhere.
This is my favorite Trek site .
I will still be here .

128. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 29, 2012

Hey, the only way anyone knows that you are here is when you post something. Otherwise, well, you could be anywhere. Whose to know and should it matter?

129. Chuckunit - October 29, 2012

In the early winter of 1989, I worked for a Civic Light Opera in Southern CA. Our production manager took me with him to a prop yard near Yucaipa, CA.
We were there to pick up a buckboard wagon for a production of “Seven Bridges for Seven Brothers” that he was directing. It was an outdoor facility that basically had different prop items laid out, sort of like a “Pic-a-Part” auto yard. We were walking toward some wagons, and my eyes fell on something that stopped me in my tracks: it was a saucer shaped disk about 10 feet in diameter…maybe a bit more, maybe less. There, lying at mt feet in dubious condition, was the filming SFX model of what was UNMISTAKABLY the Jupiter II from the LOST IN SPACE TV series of my childhood!

The bubble window was missing, but the placement of the hole it had left was right where it should have been. There was a hatch on the bottom, lowered, with weathered 2x4s and plywood structural pieces plainly in sight. The saucer was heavily weathered, skinned with what had been some sort of thin fiberglass or particalboard, studded together with fourpenny nails. It looked like most of it had been hastily repainted cheap silver spraypaint. I was stunned.

I asked the owner, one heck of a nice lady, if that was what I thought it was. She vaguely said it was, but she’d only had one rental on it over the years….it had been used for a commercial shoot in about 1975, when it was hastily tarted up and used as a UFO. She said that a little person in an alien costume was supposedly seated at the top, and that’s when the plexiglass bubble had gone missing.

I was on the company’s time, so I couldn’t stay, but by God, I wanted to make an offer to buy it, but at the time, I was making only about a dollar over minimum wage, I lived in an apartment with 2 roommates, and simply did not have the place, money or means to procure it. I knew it would rot there, and it was the real item….I noticed a few exterior set pieces from what looked very much like a PLANET OF THE APES shoot about 75 yards further out….and there was not a damn thing I could have done about it.

When visiting the Trek exhibit at the Queen Mary, the Trek Experience in Vegas

130. Chuckunit - October 29, 2012

(cont) and the Trek tours years later, I’d silently kick myself for being so powerless…so unable to save the one little piece of SF TV history I could have. It haunts me still.

Thank you, all of you, who are involved in this project. Payday is the 31st….you’ll have whatever small offering the Mrs and I can make.

131. Jim Nightshade - October 30, 2012

mannn ya know fandom USUALLY means you are fans…which one would think meant a positive outlook…yet trek fans seem to be negative and hate everything that they dont consider their personally approved niche portion of trek….the tng bridges at the trek experience in vegas were pure magic even tho they were never used in tv…built as close to the original as possible with added elements like a roof etc….first time i stepped on the bridge i was awestruck….seeing the okudagrams, being told some of the humorous inside jokes on the set panels etc…i knew this was the closest i would get to being in the trek universe…more power to the restorers….that is what fandom is all about..not all this negative bickering from overly self rightous opinionated supposed fans…

132. Crewman Darnell - October 30, 2012

129 / 130
Cool story, Chuckunit.
I would have shared your pain in having to leave the Jupiter II behind. It blows me away that so much history (hell, artwork actually) of that kind is left to such a depressingly undeserved fate. I think I recall one of the campier episodes of Lost In Space involved the Robinson family having set down on some kind of dreary, interstellar junk yard planet. Sad irony there.

133. drumvan - October 30, 2012

thanks for sharing that chuckunit. loved lost in space when i was a wee lad.

134. Dave in RI - October 30, 2012

I wouldn’t be surprised if that commercial shoot for the 10ft Jupiter 2 back in 1975 was for an episode of “In Search Of…”

I think that episode can be seen on youtube somewhere, and it does indeed look like the 10ft J2 was used (I’ve seen it a couple of years ago).

135. Dustin N - October 30, 2012

My hat is off to you man! I wish I had money to help as I would if I could. It seems that everything Star Trek got dumped or sold and thats sad. Its good to see a fan get these items and restore them. We need to preserve Trek as long as we can.

136. mateo - October 30, 2012

OMFG I WANT INFO ON THE NEW MOVIE!! It’s only like six more months and we don’t even have a trailer yet???

137. The Last Vulcan - October 30, 2012

Somewhat offtopic, but this is a question that’s been buggin’ me for a while. And I figured that in light of all the tempestuous barrage of exciting JJ Trek 2 movie news on this site (insert sarcastic laugh here) I’d ask it now.

WTF is the economic model of Trek fan productions???

Take a look at Renegades. They’re looking for 200 grand on Kickstarter. Ok, so they get it… then what? They are prohibited by Paramount from making a dime on the production, but does that include making back their $200K? And if so where does that money come from? I’m having trouble wrapping my capitalist head around such a “total loss” financial scenario. So anyone who has some insight, please help me figure this out as I just can’t fathom it.

138. James - October 30, 2012

Off topic, but anyway – I recently went to Destination Star Trek London – read my review here:

http://ryesofthegeek.wordpress.com/2012/10/26/star-trek-london/

139. Romulus - October 30, 2012

Star Trek Into Darkness Prequel Comics Announced!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.treknews.net/2012/10/30/star-trek-into-darkness-comic-series/

Beginning in January, a four-issue mini-series, titled “Star Trek: Countdown to Darkness” will lead up to highly anticipated sequel. The 2009 creative team of Roberto Orci, Mike Johnson and David Messina have all signed on for the upcoming project.

TMN missed another announcement

140. Harry Ballz - October 30, 2012

139.

Hey, Romulus, what are you trying to do, ream us?

141. Daoud - October 30, 2012

@140: He was raised by a Bad Wolf.

142. HarryMudd.com - October 30, 2012

Yes! From my email inbox:
——————————————————-
LA-LA LAND RECORDS PRESENTS

La-La Land Records will officially release the 15-CD “STAR TREK THE ORIGINAL SERIES SOUNDTRACK COLLECTION” on Dec 4th at 1pm (PST) on our website http://www.lalalandrecords.com

As announced previously, the set will be limited to 6000 Units and will be priced at $224.98

The set contains 636 tracks of astounding TREK music. With a running time of 17 hours, 18 minutes and 17 seconds.

Stay tuned for more information about this release – and for details on a special release event to be held at the Egyptian Theater in Hollywood, CA on Dec 3rd!

143. Harry Ballz - October 30, 2012

141. Daoud “He was raised by a Bad Wolf”

Daoud, are you saying he’s just a wolf in CHEAP clothing?

144. Eiersalat - October 30, 2012

How about some updates on the site?

145. Craiger - October 30, 2012

I can see now about the movie updates. After looking at Trekweb for awhile the only movie updates are the actors saying the same thing over and over again – the movie is going to be epic and JJ is amazing and they can’t talk anymore about it.

Then it the only Trek news to report on is what the old Trek and current Trek stars are up to and Trek products. It looks like Anthony doesn’t care about reporting on those type of stories anymore, maybe he has grown tired of that, and barely reporting on the sequel. Then I guess Anthony is just sticking to the sites main name – Trekmovie and not the tagline anymore.

146. Thor - October 30, 2012

Yes, but at least TrekWeb is keeping their readers pleased. Trekmovie is full of anger and lies right now. Truly sad.

147. DISNEY BUYS LUCASFILM!!! NEW STAR WARS FILM COMING!!! - October 30, 2012

Didn’t see this one coming!! BIG NEWS!!!

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/10/30/disney-to-buy-lucasfilm-for-4-05b/

http://thewaltdisneycompany.com/disney-news/press-releases/2012/10/disney-acquire-lucasfilm-ltd

148. Harry Ballz - October 30, 2012

148.

That only seems appropriate as the Star Wars movies were pretty Mickey Mouse!

149. Uberbot - October 30, 2012

HAHA!!! I’m sure we’ll get more Jar Jar now…

150. Lostrod - October 30, 2012

#129

I’m certain that the prop you saw was not from Lost in Space. The model used for the series was a four foot model. After the series ended Irwin Allen used it as an underwater habitat for His City Beneath the Sea movie.

The prop was acquired by private collectors. See story below:

http://www.lostintoys.com/museum/j2prop.html

151. clark billy - October 30, 2012

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/disney-says-it-is-buying-star-wars-maker-lucasfilm-for-405-billion-from-george-lucas/2012/10/30/dc0ace18-22cc-11e2-92f8-7f9c4daf276a_story.html

152. Uberbot - October 30, 2012

Already posted the LucasFilm story above, Clark…

153. Romulus - October 30, 2012

no more frekking Jar Jar

154. Gary S. - October 30, 2012

#154
Or as much JarJar as Disney wants ,
It’s their call now.

155. PEB - October 30, 2012

just curious, not angry but…did something happen to Anthony? Or is the site just slowing down before the Trek blitz starts? Just wondering. With Star Wars in the hands of Disney, the Trek franchise is really going to have to step it up. JJ you’re doing fine with the movies but we need something animated and a live-action new series. And keep up the comics too. Trek must keep expanding.

156. Treklife - October 30, 2012

You guys notice that Disney also bought ILM and Skywalker Sound? Meaning the next Trek film (after 2013) will have to involve Disney, this is very bad IMO.

157. The Writing was on the wall, when Kennedy was promoted to run Lucasfilm earlier this year - October 30, 2012

148 why not? Lucas said he was retireing from making big hollywood films, of course he was plannning on selling off Lucasfilm.

It was pretty plain as day this would be happening sooner rather than latter.

Having said that Some of the wordage of his statement in the press release has me worried though/
“It’s now time for me to pass Star Wars on to a new generation of filmmakers. I’ve always believed that Star Wars could live beyond me, and I thought it was important to set up the transition during my lifetime”

Hope he is ok health wise.

And please for the love of GD disney keep JJ and his band of misfits Far Far Away, From this Galaxy. I definately dont want to see them muck up star wars the way they mucked up Trek

158. Uberbot - October 30, 2012

I hope they leave ILM and Skywalker sound alone!! Those are groundbreakers and a smart business person would not mess with success! Ditto for the gaming division, LucasArts!

159. The Writing was on the wall, when Kennedy was promoted to run Lucasfilm earlier this year - October 30, 2012

157 Disney its self isnt going to have anything to do with the next trek film. just because they will most likely use USE ILM for the effects, doesnt mean disney executives have a say in the making of any film that ILM does effects on Geesh,

160. Uberbot - October 30, 2012

#158 — I hope Lucas is healthy and well too!!

161. (the real) Montreal_Paul - October 30, 2012

Here’s some Trek/Bond related news… Even though Bond hasn’t opened in the States yet, they have announced the next one already. And, Star Trek: Nemesis writer John Logan with be writing the next Bond movie. Thoughts?

http://trekweb.com/stbbs/showThread.php?bid=FldwoPP0qETo2&tid=508b73c9339d3&cid=508b73c933abf&viewby=&sort=&order=#508b73c933abf

162. The Writing was on the wall, when Kennedy was promoted to run Lucasfilm earlier this year - October 30, 2012

159 read the press release it says that All respective companies and employees will stay stationed where they are and that things with ILM and Skywalker sound are remaining the same. geesh do you people even bother to read, and FYI you can listen to the conference call and hear all the details by calling (888) 843-7419 (Passcode: 3367 4546#) and for international callers at (630) 652-3042 (Passcode: 3367 4546#) until 5:00 p.m. EST on November 13, 2012.

163. The Writing was on the wall, when Kennedy was promoted to run Lucasfilm earlier this year - October 30, 2012

159 sorry if i came off to harsh. Iwill lower the tone of my posts sorry

164. Treklife - October 30, 2012

@160. After 30+ years of watching how Disney does business I not only disagree with you, I think you are being naive.

165. cd - October 30, 2012

So, maybe Whedon can write/direct two major franchises at once?

166. cd - October 30, 2012

I just saw speculation about Jar Jar Abrams directing the new Star Wars. Please no…

167. Ahmed - October 30, 2012

This is the biggest news of the year. I can’t believe that they will finally get around to make new Star Wars movies.

I hope they will get a really good script & give us a good Star Wars movie.

And maybe, this will bring in more science fiction movies, like what happened after the release of the original Star Wars movies.

168. Red Dead Ryan - October 30, 2012

Actually, the sale of Lucasfilm to Disney could be good business. Disney has done a great job with the recent Marvel films. “Thor”, “Captain America” and “The Avengers” are all great movies.

The thing is, though, some have speculated the reason why George Lucas sold his properties is because he’s gotten fed up/disenchanted with his own creation after years and years of putting up with so much hate from some fans.

Can’t say I blame him.

169. dmduncan - October 30, 2012

Will George Lucas be able to retire on 4 billion dollars?

170. dmduncan - October 30, 2012

The reason George Lucas sold his property is because he thinks the world will end on December 21st, and 4 billion dollars is what he needs to finish his survival pod on time.

171. Ahmed - October 30, 2012

I wonder how this will affect future Star Trek movies ?

172. Vultan - October 30, 2012

I’m having a mixed reaction to the Star Wars-Disney news. Part of me says it’s a good fit because of the great success with Marvel and The Avengers. Then part of me remembers all the things that went wrong with John Carter. Hmm….

It will probably depend on what director takes the reins for SW 7. I’m hoping for a return to the slightly grittier tone of the original movie and Empire Strikes Back. But who could do that….?

173. Vultan - October 30, 2012

An even bigger question: who plays Luke, Leia and Han?

174. dmduncan - October 30, 2012

But it’s good George is handing over Star Wars. He’s getting old and you can’t take any of this crap with you out there in eternity.

Funny, but George thought GW Bush was a good representation of Palpatine, and that Obama was a good Jedi.

I wonder what he thinks now, after his man’s policy of terrorizing whole populations with drone warfare, creating a secret kill list that can extra-judicially target Americans, obtaining the power to indefinitely detain Americans without due process of law, and failing to close Guantanamo Bay?

Obama turned the president into Judge Dredd. Something Darth Cheney and Herr Rumsfeld couldn’t even do.

175. Red Dead Ryan - October 30, 2012

I think Joss Whedon would make a rockin’ “Star Wars” flick. Bob Orci and Alex Kurtzman can help him write it.

I didn’t suggest J.J Abrams because I’m worried he’d turn it into “Star Trek”. :-)

176. Ahmed - October 30, 2012

@Vultan

“It will probably depend on what director takes the reins for SW 7. I’m hoping for a return to the slightly grittier tone of the original movie and Empire Strikes Back. But who could do that….?”

My dream list would someone from this list:

Christopher Nolan
Peter Jackson
Luc Besson
The Wachowskis Siblings
Alex Proyas

“An even bigger question: who plays Luke, Leia and Han?”

I hope no one, they need to jump years after the ROTJ and start with new characters

177. dmduncan - October 30, 2012

Oh Star Wars is going to be THE most salivated after project by writers, producers, and directors. There’s a whole generation of people who grew up on Star Wars who are now seeded in the industry for the opportunity to take that franchise where no man has gone before.

178. dmduncan - October 30, 2012

PLUS, they get their own hateful fan base too. Just sweetens the deal, baby.

179. Red Dead Ryan - October 30, 2012

Can You Feel The Force Tonight?

180. dmduncan - October 30, 2012

The press release reads like Disney wants to CONTINUE Star Wars, which probably means they will want continuity between the Lucas franchise and the new one. That means that the Star Wars franchise has finally discovered the path of CANON.

It’s screwed.

181. Romulus - October 30, 2012

let me just check

182. Romulus - October 30, 2012

Yep, trekmovie.com has no update about Star Wars

183. Red Dead Ryan - October 30, 2012

#181.

It’s been on a path of canon for many years now.

184. Romulus - October 30, 2012

178. dmduncan

CHRIS NOLAN, pls Christopher Nolan

NEW STAR WARS DEBATE STARTED BELOW THIS LINE

__________________________________________________

185. (the real) Montreal_Paul - October 30, 2012

Episode 4 & 5 were the best of the bunch. Everything else was barely watchable… especially eps.1, 2 & 3. The good news is, Disney can’t do any worse than what Lucas did. And what s the deal with the way he kept tinkering with each subsequent home video version. Ugh. I guess you can say that I am not a Star Wars fan.

172 Ahmed
“I wonder how this will affect future Star Trek movies ?”

It won’t affect it at all – except JJ will want to Direct.

186. dmduncan - October 30, 2012

184

No, really, it hasn’t been. 6 episodes, some cartoons, games, absurd TV specials, toys — but really just one big story all coming from the one guy whose story and universe this was.

Episode 7 is the first movie that will go someplace totally beyond the control of George Lucas but while (no doubt) trying to remain faithful to what he created so as not to piss off the franchise’s many fans.

Before it was all just Star Wars. Now, with the stroke of a pen on that contract, all that was formerly just Star Wars is now CANON.

187. Vultan - October 30, 2012

#177

Good choices, Ahmed.

Peter Jackson would probably be the best, I think, though he’ll be in Hobbit Land for the next few years. According to the press release, Disney wants the next SW flick to come out in 2015.

And I saw somewhere that it would be about Luke, Leia and Han again, set after Jedi. Anyone else see that? Maybe a rumor though.

188. Red Dead Ryan - October 30, 2012

#188.

Maybe it’ll be a reboot of the originals?

189. Vultan - October 30, 2012

Let’s not forget Indiana Jones is also part of the deal. Wonder what they’ll do with that… if ever…

Hmm, with Indy and SW attractions already at Disney World/Land (for many years), this really isn’t that big a leap.

190. Red Dead Ryan - October 30, 2012

I would have to think Indy would be appealing to directors and writers. I doubt Disney would leave him to languish in a warehouse somewhere. :-)

191. dmduncan - October 30, 2012

Hopefully the new Star Wars movie will have a message. Like saving the asteroid dwelling space worms from extinction due to anthropogenic galactic warming.

192. Vultan - October 30, 2012

Anyway, it’s fun to have SOME big news about something.
Even if it’s from far, far away….

193. The Last Vulcan - October 30, 2012

#189, check the ep… it’s 7, so chronologically it will come in after that stupid Ewok movie. I hear it will be titled Darth Carter on Tatooine. :)

And gawd forbid Nolan gets his dark little paws on it. Jackson, no chance. I’ll betcha it’s Duncan Jones.

194. Vultan - October 30, 2012

#191

I see what you did there. Nice.

195. dmduncan - October 30, 2012

Doesn’t sound like a reboot if they are calling it episode 7.

196. Vultan - October 30, 2012

Episode 7: We Want More Money!

197. Harry Ballz - October 30, 2012

Knowing Hollywood, the next Star Wars movie will have cameos by Ford, Fisher and Hamill. Of course, that depends on the price being right.

The producers will pay anything to get Ford, but will pass on the others if too many zeroes are demanded on the paycheck!

Typical horse manure!

198. dmduncan - October 30, 2012

198

Or — the next movie could have Ford, Fisher, and Hamill in central roles for a story that hands the franchise over to…The Next Generation.

199. Red Dead Ryan - October 30, 2012

“Episode 7″ might only be a tentative title. As a means to describe the seventh movie, even if it doesn’t continue on from the first six. It would be the seventh movie.

200. dmduncan - October 30, 2012

Introducing Han and Leia’s son: Ham Solo.

201. Ahmed - October 30, 2012

@ 198. Harry Ballz – October 30, 2012

“Knowing Hollywood, the next Star Wars movie will have cameos by Ford, Fisher and Hamill. Of course, that depends on the price being right. The producers will pay anything to get Ford, but will pass on the others if too many zeroes are demanded on the paycheck!”

In most of his interviews with magazines, Ford rarely expressed enthusiasm about his role in Star Wars. I doubt that he will come back even in a cameo.

@ 194. The Last Vulcan – October 30, 2012

“And gawd forbid Nolan gets his dark little paws on it. Jackson, no chance. I’ll betcha it’s Duncan Jones.”

Nolan didn’t just do Batman movies, have you seen Inception ?

202. Harry Ballz - October 30, 2012

Disney, expecting a billion dollars from the next Star Wars movie, will probably pay Harrison Ford $50 million to be in it.

Not bad money for a carpenter/handyman who can’t act!

203. dmduncan - October 30, 2012

Torn between his parents and Uncle Luke, Ham decides to venture out on his own and discovers an ancient CODE, prompting Luke to exclaim “the MORSE is strong in this one.”

204. Harry Ballz - October 30, 2012

201.

dmduncan

nah, they named the kid Napoleon Solo and sent him to spy on the Empire.

205. Vultan - October 30, 2012

#202

Then again, can Ford express enthusiasm for… anything? In every interview he seems ready for a nap.

206. T'cal - October 30, 2012

Why couldn’t Disney buy Paramount/CBS so that Trek would get treated this way – with respect???

207. Red Dead Ryan - October 30, 2012

Nope, you’re all wrong. Han and Leia named their kid Hand Solo, who couldn’t keep his hand off his own lightsabre. He was his own “right hand” man!

208. Ahmed - October 30, 2012

@203. Harry Ballz

“Disney, expecting a billion dollars from the next Star Wars movie, will probably pay Harrison Ford $50 million to be in it.

Not bad money for a carpenter/handyman who can’t act!”

Maybe you should watch his 1991 movie “Regarding Henry”. Harrison Ford didn’t get to where he is now by luck.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kaih11iULEA

209. dmduncan - October 30, 2012

To me, it appears that Harrison Ford has never forgotten that he’s a movie star, so that when people in interviews try to treat him like what he does is enormously important in the hierarchy of things — and by their nature that is what interviews assume, he doesn’t really play along with that.

210. sean - October 30, 2012

#187

The Star Wars canon is far more expansive than the Trek canon. They include the EU novels, the video games, The Clone Wars, etc. Trek is and always has been what’s on screen, period. Star Was has been on the ‘canon’ path for a very long time. It’s indeed a big deal that someone besides GL will be making a Star Wars movie, but it’s not going to change the status of the canon.

That being said, Lucas contradicted his own canon many times over, so someone new could hardly do any worse.

211. Harry Ballz - October 30, 2012

Ahmed, believe me, I’ve seen everything Harrison Ford has ever been in…..he is one very lucky dude!

Real actors must cringe when they see him on screen.

He’s like Tom Cruise….can’t act worth shit, but have been in some good movies.

212. Red Dead Ryan - October 30, 2012

Yeah, I don’t know. I think Harrison Ford is a tremendous actor. His performances as Han Solo and Indiana Jones are legendary.

213. sean - October 30, 2012

#198

Makes sense to me. Who in their right mind would pay Hamill or Fisher the same amount as Ford?

214. Harry Ballz - October 30, 2012

214.

sean

Nostalgia is HUGE and Hollywood knows nothing about logic. You do the math!

215. dmduncan - October 30, 2012

Harrison Ford was perfect for the iconic roles that he made, and that made him. Han Solo and Indiana Jones.

216. sean - October 30, 2012

#212

I’m not sure how someone could watch him in Blade Runner or Star Wars or Witness or Frantic and say the man can’t act. He’s coasted in several roles, but the man can absolutely act.

217. sean - October 30, 2012

#215

Well, the math says you pay Harrison Ford more than Carrie Fisher or Mark Hamill. Nothing confusing there. Carrie isn’t really in a position to demand a huge salary at this point. Mark is in demand for his voice work, but when is the last time you saw him in front of a camera? I’m not really sure either of them would really be interested in doing it in the first place, to be honest.

As for the nostalgia factor in having them appear, I’m not sure it’s really there. The prequels did just fine financially, and none of them featured Ford, Hamill or Fisher. I’m not sure Star Wars fans are as attached to the actors in the same way Trek fans can be. From what I’ve seen, they have more affection for the Star Wars universe itself. I think a new film would probably be safe starting with a fresh cast.

218. dmduncan - October 30, 2012

Harrison Ford was excellent in What Lies Beneath. He played the opposite of the roles he usually does, but he pulled it off.

219. Ahmed - October 30, 2012

#217. sean & #219. dmduncan

Well said, Harrison Ford was amazing in Blade Runner, Witness and the rest of his iconic roles.

220. MJ - October 30, 2012

Harrison Ford is an outstanding actor. Sure, he prime has passed him by, but he has played a lot of great roles. He was outstanding in Clear and Present Danger, for example — the best Tom Clancy movie next to Red October.

221. The Last Vulcan - October 30, 2012

@198 Have you seen pix of Fisher and Hamill lately? She has become an evil hag of a woman and he’s turned into Jabba The Hutt. Ford is a waaaaaaaaaaaaay outside chance. Overall, I’m pretty sure that they’ll give that whole generation a wide berth.

@200 The first movies were chronologically #4, 5, 6, the horrible second tranche was #1, 2, 3, so the next three are #7, 8, 9. Lucas had planned the movies to be set up like this from the very beginning when he started working on Empire Strikes Back. As he was planning on way back then, he only constant is gonna be the two droids.

@202 I’ve seen Inception and it’s a shallow, confusing, frantic, nonsensical, dreary bit of eye candy. Sorry, but that’s IMHO.

@211 Lucas is a total hack who can’t write his way out of a wet paper bag. He got lucky with Empire in that few really noticed that he’d set up in the previous movie that Darth was NOT Han’s father, but as he went on to the other 4 movies he applied his best Howard The Duck skills to them. SFX visionary, yes. Movie writer, hell no. boborci’s toe jam can write better than Lucas.

222. MJ - October 30, 2012

@222. I’m sure you will of course never get old and/or fat.

223. MJ - October 30, 2012

You know what would though. The technology is about there, that if Hammil, Ford and Fischer voiced there roles, they could create, through motion capture and CGI, real-looking younger versions of themselves to immediately start telling the story following The Return of the Jedi.

224. The Last Vulcan - October 31, 2012

@223, dude, I am soooooooo old and soooooooooooo fat that Lucas might want me to lose weight to play Jabba. :P A large pepperoni pizza says that there are no carryover actors. Any takers? :)

225. The Last Vulcan - October 31, 2012

BTW, correction to 222, Darth was not LUKE’s father… hey, it’s 1:30 AM here and I’ve had a helluva day… :)

226. Bardicjim - October 31, 2012

Sing along a starwars

227. Aurore - October 31, 2012

“I didn’t suggest J.J Abrams because I’m worried he’d turn it into “Star Trek”. :-)”

“Can You Feel The Force Tonight?”
_____________

Star Wars Into The Darkness Of The Force

228. VulcanFilmCritic - October 31, 2012

Disney owns Pixar , Marvel Studios and now LucasFilm. While I agree that getting Star Wars away from George Lucas is a good thing, PRAY that they don’t get their 4-fingered, gloved little hands on THIS franchise as well.

229. Richard - October 31, 2012

Lost in all the Star Wars and Hurricane Sandy craziness was this little tidbit:

http://www.deadline.com/2012/10/bryan-singer-x-men-sequel-director-signed-days-of-future-past-fox/

Matthew Vaughn steps back from directing Days of Future Past, and Bryan Singer signs on to be his replacement in the director’s chair.

Has the whole world gone crazy this week?

230. Uberbot - October 31, 2012

Peter Jackson would be a perfect choice to direct a Star Wars film!

231. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 31, 2012

Principle photography for both Hobbit films wrapped a couple of months or so back. There was a big wrap party in Wellington, NZ. I would assume that all the post-production work is done for the first Hobbit movie and so there is only the completing of the second movie to be done.

Peter Jackson has commented that he is a big fan of the Dr Who franchise…

I am now officially bored.

232. Jamesingeneva - October 31, 2012

I would watch a Star Wars film from Peter. He’s got the right balance of heart strings with epic battles

233. Harry Ballz - October 31, 2012

Carrie Fisher and Mark Hamill should get their agents to draft a “favored nations” contract, where either they both get EXACTLY what Harrison Ford is offered or NEITHER of them will appear in the next movie.

Hollywood tends to cave in scenarios such as this.

234. falcon - October 31, 2012

When Star Trek: The Experience still existed in Las Vegas, I took a tour and paid the extra money to have my picture taken while sitting in the captain’s chair. That was every bit of five or six years ago, but the memory is still fresh. That was a pretty top-notch recreation of the bridge, but there were obvious glaring differences (like the “Exit” signs and physical doors out to the rest of the exhibit). And it was somewhat smaller than it appeared on TV – whether owing to limited space (no pun intended) or wide-angle lenses used in filming the show, I don’t know. But it was an interesting experience, and hopefully the project to restore this bridge will take off and be fruitful. Good luck!

235. Daoud - October 31, 2012

Hamill could be useful in ways to Disney other than just appearing as Luke. He’s a damned good voice actor, script fine-tuner, and not a bad director. They should bring him on as a producer, then he’s under that aegis, and not under his actor’s union card.
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Carrie…. I don’t think Leia has to be in the movie. Han either. Luke is a necessity… he should be the “Yoda” figure in the new Jedi…. just as the books essentially project. The next trilogy should tell the story of Jacen and Jaina….
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*Perhaps*, this is why Bad Robot and Paramount have held off promoting STID. They wanted the Disney-Lucasfilm dust to settle. Okay, I’m stretching… but it provides cover for them. Promoting Star Trek at great expense, just before Star Wars gets free publicity would have been an “oops”.
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But, I do want to know… how exactly is DismarvESPNucasfilm going to script, pre-prod, produce, film, edit and release a blockbuster for Summer 2015?? I mean, it’s taking 4 years to make a Star Trek film from script to screen… how in the heck are they planning to do it in 2.5 years??

236. dmduncan - October 31, 2012

I knew I wasn’t crazy!

Way back when, I was SURE I read somewhere that George Lucas envisioned Star Wars as a NINE — a NINE, I say — movie saga, with Eps 4, 5, and 6 being the MIDDLE 3 of the saga, and with 3 more to follow after Return of the Jedi.

Then that got forgotten. So when George said it was over after doing the first three, I was confused about what happened to plans for the last three.

This morning it was being reported that 3 movies will follow 4, 5, and 6 to make a 9 movie saga. So it sounds like George turned over those early plans for how the series was originally going to end with another three story arc, and that is what we’ll be getting.

237. The Last Vulcan - October 31, 2012

@236: “how in the heck are they planning to do it in 2.5 years??” Simple, don’t use an EP/director such as JJ who has more projects on the go at any given time than I have underwear.

238. Red Dead Ryan - October 31, 2012

#237.

Okay, I forgot all about the “third trilogy” idea he had. Makes sense now.

I wonder how far after “Return Of The Jedi” they’ll pick up?

239. dmduncan - October 31, 2012

222: “Lucas is a total hack who can’t write his way out of a wet paper bag.”

Oh BS.

Lucas was more than just a VFX visionary. THX1138, American Graffitti, and Raiders of the Lost Ark prove that. And Star Wars was a groundbreaking, brilliant movie. And considering that he envisioned Star Wars as a serialized children’s/YA drama of the sort that he used to listen to on the radio, I’d say that as a WRITER he accomplished his objective.

It’s true that he appeared to get lazy with success and it showed in his later work, but impugning his ability as if he didn’t have any beyond VFX visualizations, when he clearly demonstrated LOADS of talent as a young indie director keeping close company with Francis Ford Coppola and Caroll Ballard, is absurd.

240. The Last Vulcan - October 31, 2012

@237 yup on the nine movie saga:

” It’s a nine-part saga that has a beginning, a middle and an end. It progresses over a period of about fifty or sixty years with about twenty years between trilogies, each trilogy taking about six or seven years. ” – Lucas, Prevue #42, September-October 1980.

Now for the official Current The Last Vulcan Betting Line:

Jon Favreau 3:1
Brad Bird 4:1
Duncan Jones 5:1
Bryan Singer 20:1

Any additions?

241. dmduncan - October 31, 2012

George Lucas started out as an independent filmmaker with a 16mm Eclair NPR on his shoulder, and a desire to make documentaries in his heart. He never liked or wanted to be a part of the Hollywood movie industry.

Star Wars gave him incredible financial success and turned him more into a wealthy toy-producing businessman than a northern California indie filmmaker.

So, be careful what you wish for I guess is the lesson.

242. The Last Vulcan - October 31, 2012

@240: Lucas IS a total hack. His dialog is among the worst in a century of Hollywood movies. Who else would follow up Star Wars with Howard The Duck? And who else would establish a trilogy on interplanetary complaints over TAXES? If you take enough blindfolded potshots at a wall some will be close to the bullseye but most will hit bricks. That’s Lucas’ writing history. But I do agree with you that he’s gotten way WORSE as he’s gotten older. Pre-Return Of The Jedi he was borderline OK. After that he became a one man wrecking crew.

243. dmduncan - October 31, 2012

But then he’s not a hack. If he’s done good work as a writer, which he clearly has, he’s not a hack. He CAN write. He just lost the hunger. So to be fair you have to divide his career, in terms of quality, between pre and post Star Wars success.

244. Lostrod - October 31, 2012

Trekweb.com appears to be down …

245. WellOfSouls - October 31, 2012

Seeing the original for the 1st time in the smoking lounge in the theater’s balcony with my date I realized from the opening chorus of John Williams score complimenting “STAR WARS…A long time ago…” that any of the usual “when the lights go down” urges would definitely be put on hold til after the show. Lucas is very talented, as many of his contributions to the overall cinamatic experience have been listed above. Aside from ILM & THX he has had some awesome films & some not so awesome. Actually I think this will prove to be a great merger as long as Disney decides to at least include the name “Star Wars” in their next marketing campaign. I really did enjoy episodes 4,5,6. 1,2,3 not as much, but nonetheless they were definitely eye candy. I enjoyed Harrison Ford in Star Wars & was somewhat skeptical in seeing him in a new role as Indiana Jones thinking he had really typecasted himself as Han Solo. Boy, was I wrong. He ran with the role & made a very believable character IMO. I liked him as Jack Ryan & in Air Force One as well. In the recent past George Lucas said his continuation of Star Wars would not follow the story of Luke, Han, & Leia if he were to even do another trilogy. But with him only as a consultant not sure if it would be his vision that would be appearing as episodes 7.8.9. I’ll see if I can find references to this statement & post it.

246. WellOfSouls - October 31, 2012

I believe you’re right 245. TrekWeb is down apparently. However TrekCore, TrekNews, TrekToday are still running. And of course StarTrek.com as well.

247. Vultan - October 31, 2012

Lucas is a good story man. He can come up with a great concept. It’s the actual scriptwriting; that’s where he can go off the rails. Even his script for the original Star Wars was polished by screenwriter friends Willard Huyck and Gloria Katz (though their contributions went uncredited).

Obviously he wasn’t the same storyteller by the late ’90s. His heart didn’t seem to be in it, concepts and all. And I can’t blame him from wanting to get away from these monsters he created.

Happy Halloween.

248. Vultan - October 31, 2012

Correction: “…can’t blame him FOR wanting to get away…”

249. sean - October 31, 2012

Harrison Ford teased Lucas on his dialog with the infamous, ‘You can type this shit but you sure can’t say it’. But George absolutely had ‘it’ in his early career. After Empire he just seemed to lose it or get lazy, I’m not sure which one. Honestly, I think a great deal of the success for the Indy movies can safely be credited to Spielberg. I think Lucas is a solid ‘big picture’ guy, but he needs good collaborators to reign him in.

250. Captain Hackett - October 31, 2012

- No. 174 Vultan

Mickey Mouse as Luke
Minnie Mouse as Leia
Donald Duck as Han Solo
Goofy as Jar Jar Binks

;)

251. Markus McLaughlin - October 31, 2012

I fear LA is not the safest place for the BRIDGE, consider Oregon a permanent home! Earthquakes will destroy it in LA, so please take
my consideration seriously…

:(

@MarkusMcLaughln

252. dmduncan - October 31, 2012

Lucas’ best movies are his early personal ones, including Star Wars, which is a truly great movie.

Just watching him in interviews in later years, and in action rubber stamping production art, I got the impression of a man who had lost whatever it was that made him feel he had something to prove, and he was just going through the motions in what he saw as his role, and because he was an iconic boss-man he didn’t have to listen to anyone else, and he didn’t seem to care about what anyone else thought.

But the blade needs the stone to stay sharp. The friction that keeps you sharp may not always be a pleasant experience, but it is an important one to regularly have.

With his success, Lucas got trapped in a “room.” I think Lucas’ problem can be summed up by quoting a character from a film that Lucas had some early involvement in and was actually supposed to direct:

“When I was here, I wanted to be there; when I was there, all I could think of was getting back into the jungle. I’m here a week now… waiting for a mission… getting softer. Every minute I stay in this room, I get weaker, and every minute Charlie squats in the bush, he gets stronger.”

253. The Last Vulcan - October 31, 2012

Ok, so I think that we can all mostly agree that regardless of his talents or lack thereof early in his career, the Lucas train DID fly off the tracks at Return Of The Jedi and never rolled properly again. It must be SOOOOOOO difficult to be creative when you’re a billionaire… I wish I had his freakin’ problems…

Look at Jobs. He had NOOOOOOOOOOO problem creating his butt off at NeXT, Pixar, Apple, etc. Money didn’t get in his way and sap his creative juices. So I’m stickin’ to my guns… no matter when he passed the Hack Horizon, Lucas is now and has been for a very long time a Hack.

A good article about the nine or twelve or whatever number of movie plans is at:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/31/star-wars-sequels_n_2048830.html?utm_hp_ref=entertainment

As for Trekweb it’s fine from here.

254. lostrod - October 31, 2012

Yep, TrekWeb back up.

255. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 31, 2012

#728 – “You win. Correct interpretation. Giving punchline away changes perception of joke or THE STORY as you move through it.” (quote from
A Milestone Month thread)

Question for Bob Orci – I see the Countdown comic Star Trek Into Darkness is about to be released. Presumably this comic gives the story and background to the movie. Surely, much of what is in the comic could be considered spoilerish, so why release it six months before the movie’s first public screening date worldwide – 16 May 2013 (in Australasia)? Why not release the comic at the same time (May 2013) or a little bit later?

Just wondering…

256. TrekMadeMeWonder - October 31, 2012

THE DUDE SOLD HIS COLLECTION!

Wow! Looks like Lucas is really expecting hard times.

257. The Last Vulcan - October 31, 2012

@256, I’m not boborci although I’d be more than happy to switch lives with him… but the comics are set up to cover the time span between JJ Trek 1 & 2 so I’m pretty sure that he wouldn’t let anything seep in there that would violate the Sacred JJ Cone Of Silence.

258. JJ's Secret - October 31, 2012

Just want to point out that JJ and company have lost the battle here.. by delaying ‘reveal’ to their movie, keeping it under wraps, (a secret, whatever..) they have lost the discussion even here on the ‘used to be the place for everything Trek’ site.

Now Star Wars has the headlines, the hype, the discussion, and the $$. All the kids will grow up with Star Wars.. and our beloved Star Trek will be just a fading memory… except of course in JJ’s mind… where he keeps everthing a secret.

259. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 31, 2012

Oops…my bad. It looks like the comic won’t be released until January. That’s still four months prior to release date.

#259 – Nonsense. This news about George Lucas selling his film company and Star Wars franchise is the now news event. In a few days, it will just be more bum paper for my guinea pigs – literally, since it is also in newspapers.

How can Star Trek be a fading memory, what with a comic series leading up to the story of the movie, followed by the movie itself? Besides, Chris Pine needs to his Jack Ryan movie first…

260. The Last Vulcan - October 31, 2012

@259, yeah, and Paramount will still rake in well over half a bil in box office and DVD. Although I do agree that this site is drying up and blowing away but that’s certainly not JJ’s fault (or concern). The culprits here are very different.

261. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 31, 2012

Edit: Sorry… should read – “….followed by the movie itself, COMING OUT?” and “…Chris Pine needs to DO his Jack…”

UGH!

262. Banned - October 31, 2012

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263. MJ - October 31, 2012

Again, I think the CGI Motion Capture technology has progressed enough where they could have Ford, Hammil and Fischer in CGI motion capture suits, and doing their Solo, Luke and Leia voices of course, where they could create near perfect versions of the original characters to pick up right where the ROTJ left off, if they wanted to.

I hope they go this route. The actors themselves are just to old looking now. It like the crazy bring back Shat nonsense in Trek from a couple of years back, despite him being over 80 and nearly obese.

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265. bringbackkirkprime - October 31, 2012

Off topic a bit, but anyone that goes to see the movie Argo, watch for Spock at the end! (Spock Prime) and you might notice a Klingon too!

266. sean - October 31, 2012

#264

I think you might be overestimating where motion-capture is at. Avatar worked because they were aliens and were supposed to look weird. Tron was cool because Clu was supposed to be a computer-generated image. A full movie with Ford, Hamill & Fisher doing CGI versions of themselves? I don’t think we’re there just yet.

267. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 31, 2012

Calling the real Bob Orci!

Why the delay, when we have been told by someone who is presumably the real Bob Orci, that post-production is going better than expected and that we should be seeing something very soon that will make our faces melt and eyeballs bleed (I think that’s the *lovely* phrase) etc?

Announcing a delay is not face melting, but certainly anger inducing.

Who is the moderator here? There must be someone since I keep having some of my posts appear and then get deleted. Whatever is going on, please cut the bl**dy crap!

268. MJ - October 31, 2012

*** the “MJ” posting in @265 is not me. The post @264 is me, however ***

269. Romulus - October 31, 2012

@ 263. boborci

no rush bob, take all the time your want, I for one am more stoked about the Star Wars news.
Take more time soft prepping you guys haven’t used that one for a while.

270. MJ - October 31, 2012

@267 “I think you might be overestimating where motion-capture is at. Avatar worked because they were aliens and were supposed to look weird. Tron was cool because Clu was supposed to be a computer-generated image. A full movie with Ford, Hamill & Fisher doing CGI versions of themselves? I don’t think we’re there just yet.”

I agree are not there today as we speak. But we are 75% there, and with a couple more years of investment by Disney, partnering with WETA, I bet we could be there in 2015 in time for the new Star Wars trilogy. Star Wars has always been groundbreaking in special effects — what better way to push the envelope can you see than this?

271. MJ - October 31, 2012

Rose, I am sure this is Stunkill posting at Orci, who then posted as me supposedly saying “OK Bob, lol”.

Just ignore this moron.

272. The Last Vulcan - October 31, 2012

I have one word about Anthony’s stubborn refusal to lift a finger to ensure that boborci has a unique login, and I hope no one minds if I repeat it:

F**K!
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I hope I’ve made my feelings clear on this matter.

273. sean - October 31, 2012

#271

It’s possible, though I think a release date of 2015 is incredibly unrealistic in the first place. In fact, i’m about 90% sure we’ll eventually get an announcement that it’s been delayed. The problem is we still have an uncanny valley when it comes to CGI humans, and I’m not sure we’ll have overcome it in 3 years.

274. sean - October 31, 2012

Yeah, the real Bob wouldn’t drop a bomb like that with no further clarification.

275. Banned - October 31, 2012

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276. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 31, 2012

A couple of months thats all?
If I may (no offense to anyone here, just to whoever this “boborci” is):

SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT

277. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 31, 2012

Let’s just see how long my post at #278 stays here…

If only those behind all these posts’ appearances, disappearances, deletions, reappearances etc that we have witnessed over the past few weeks would be as vigilant about ensuring that only Bob Orci as in writer/producer Roberto Orci posts and no one else posing can ever post as this Roberto Orci.

And there should be a permaban on anyone who keeps repeatedly posting as other people who regularly come on this board. These are trust issues and no message board, group, society can properly function in a fair and reasonable way unless people understand what trust and goodwill actually mean and how important it is that they are maintained for the benefit and betterment of all.

Come show yourself/yourselves – *moderator(s)*/ others and be accountable for your actions!

Enough already.

278. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 31, 2012

Well, I did say I was bored. I guess you, whoever you are, has got me unbored…sigh…

279. Craiger - October 31, 2012

Rose, now can you see why people are complaining about the lack of attention to this site? Not just the lack of news updates but having current news updates this site also gets moderated and Anthony can tell when their are fake posters in here, Now can

280. jamesingeneva - October 31, 2012

folks, the boborci poster is so totally fake. He would NEVER post something that has financial implications or personal implications at Paramount before Paramount, it would jeopardize his contract. Just think about it from money perspective….

Fake Boborci, seriously! Find someonething better to do. If memory serves you posted the same crap in another thread last week.

And to all the people swearing the lack of information is a nail in the coffin of the movie, think beyond yourself. The hype that was Trek for all the non-trek fans, was its newness, hipness, unexpected let me go see if we can like Trek and not be a stereotypical trek fan.

This time around it’s not new so they have to be careful to entice without boring. It has to be top of mind, invigorating and impulsive at release time or the non-trek fans simply won’t come out in droves like they did before. Despite what you may think, it wasn’t all us bonefied trek fans that made the 1st movie a huge success. I wouldn’t be surprised if we represent less than 1/3rd of the overall $. All us trek fans will go no matter when it comes out, how few trailers we have, and no matter how pissed off we are because its Trek and we won’t be able to control ourselves.

JJ and team know what they have to do to make #2 a success, or at least they think they do. JJ’s track record speaks for itself and I think we can safely trust that he will deliver us a product that is huge from a financial perspective while tantalizing as a story to the modern viewer. I’m sure the real boborci when he used to come here is something of a peace offering from JJ and Paramount to help keep us calm meanwhile continuing to dangle the preverbial bait until show time. The reality is, while being a part of our lives, Trek is a business and will be treated as such by anyone and everyone that owns the rights so we need to get over it.

As much as I hate that this site has died and Anthony has disappeared, the truth is we are all complicit (including myself) and this furvent desire to spew nothing but vile hatred for everything probably doesn’t help with your desires to see more from the real boborci or Anthony and his team for that matter. Let’s do something productive or nothing at all.

Anthony and the real BobOrci, please come back. We miss you.

281. Stargazer54 - October 31, 2012

Well, been gone for a while. Thought I’d check in and see if there was a story on the ‘ol Trekmovie site about the Lucas/Disney marriage of convenience. Lo and behold . . . nothin’.

But wait . . , I found everyone down here bitching and moaning at the end of this tired thread.

Thank god I’m not a SW fan or I’d really be depressed. (Wait for the re-Imagineered Disney store at a mall near you.)

Will the real boborci sign in please. What the F is going on over at Paramount? Don’t tell me they’re panicking and buying up all other properties to keep Iger’s hands off.

282. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 31, 2012

My post noting that something is going on with this site and my querying certain anomalies that started occurring since the end of July /early August appeared and has now disappeared!

Just saying, folks

I think someone is playing all of us – big time!

I don’t know if it was the real Roberto Orci or the fake boborci who wrote that he had posted a comment about the notion and experience, need etc of trust, but it got deleted. I look forward to reading a dissertation from the Star Trek Into Darkness movie writer Roberto Orci on his perspective on the notions of goodwill, trust and loyalty, or perhaps, anything he writes may be considered something of a movie spoiler?

See how long this post remains on this thread…LOL

283. Daoud - October 31, 2012

Only the Shadow knows, Rose.
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Should be pointed out that Lucas is getting his 4 bills half in stock in Disney, and half in cash, with which he says he’s creating a Gates-like Foundation. Honestly, he should do like Warren Buffett, and just join up with Bill & Melinda. Imagine the good they could do together….
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Meanwhile, will it be long before DisnomarvESPNABCixarucasfILM buys a small country? You know, for filming stuff? What country might be for sale?
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Oh, and the Real Roberto Orci is easily tracked by his commenting over at twitter:
http://twitter.com/boborci

284. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 31, 2012

The Shadow?

Here I was thinking about my sleepy black labrador cross bitch, Shadow, lying on my bed. I guess the Orci man is nothing like the Shadow I know…:)

285. dmduncan - October 31, 2012

284: “Honestly, he should do like Warren Buffett, and just join up with Bill & Melinda. Imagine the good they could do together….”

Oh heavens no! That’s not the crowd to join.

The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation owns 500,000 shares of perhaps the most psychopathic corporation on earth. Monsanto. And it’s not out of naivete. Bill Gates is too smart to plead ignorance, particularly since he’s been busted attending the plutocratic Bilderberg meetings.

286. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 31, 2012

So OT – As of now, according to TV1 News at midday, 1 November, NZ’s population is 4,444,444 people – for real.

It won’t stay at that figure for long as the population rises by approximately 100 per day.

Re: Bob Orci’s twitter – he is always oh so political…I suppose it beats talking about the weather, or does it?

Of course, weather is very much on the mind of many of you guys in the US right now, especially on the east coast. Honestly, seeing some of the pictures of some of New York’s subways being flooded really does remind me a little of the movie The Day After Tomorrow, although FORTUNATELY, the reality is not as bad as what was shown in the movie, but certainly bad enough. 8 million people now without power and in some of those places, it has started snowing heavily. Very rough.

Please – take care of yourselves and each other and hope you are well and safe. If not, I pray you are getting the help you need!

287. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 31, 2012

Who the hell are you, you f*cking imposter? I did not posts #290, 292, or 293. I have never called anyone a “doofus” and I certainly no reason whatsoever to refer to dmduncan in that way. I am from NZ and as far as I know we do not have a Coast to Coast AM. Also I rarely visit the TrekWeb site.

First my post gets deleted and now this…

STOP NOW!

288. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 31, 2012

Post 293 is not mine. I would never cuss like that in a forum

289. Daoud - October 31, 2012

Agreed 293 doesn’t sound like the real Rose.

290. dmduncan - October 31, 2012

287 is not me.

291. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 31, 2012

And I do listen to Coast to Coast

292. Lostrod - October 31, 2012

In other news …

Benedict Cumberbatch has been cast to play Brian Epstein, the early Beatles manager:

http://www.examiner.com/article/lead-actor-announced-for-tom-hanks-brian-epstein-biopic

Regards.

293. Red Dead Ryan - October 31, 2012

I have to say, because of Stunkill posing as others here, I’m seriously considering no longer posting on this site if/until Anthony gets back.

Seriously, somebody needs to monitor the f-ing site. This is getting ridiculous!

294. dmduncan - October 31, 2012

299

People who do that don’t upset me. I just feel bad for them. Because if they had more interesting lives, they wouldn’t be imposter-ing regulars on a comatose Trek site.

If that’s how that guy gets his entertainment, he’s in bad shape.

295. Red Dead Ryan - October 31, 2012

#300.

Yeah, I read what you’re saying. I agree that guy obviously has issues. However, it does annoy me. Maybe it shouldn’t, but it does.

296. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 31, 2012

There are people who, for whatever reason, have more *time* on their hands than others. Out of those people, I assume that most will possess a reasonable level of goodwill, honesty and integrity. However, there are always those who possess little, or any of these characteristics. Whoever is behind what has been happening here over the last couple of months would appear to fit into the latter category of those I described.

Pretending to be another poster known to regulars coming here and then to use that name in order to tease, abuse, name call, tell lies and half-truths is pathetic and disgusting.

Maybe this is some sort of sociological and/or psychological experiment to see how a usually well-moderated site with reasonably intelligent and generally well meaning may react if conditions are changed, as has happened here. On the other hand, it might be some bored a-hole…

Well, now you know, whoever you may be… I hope it was “good for you”, because it has not been that good for many of us here. Some see bs written in our names, while others have shit flung at them by someone who may or may not be the poster we sort of thought we knew and so it has gone on.

I wrote that I was “officially bored” and look what happened…coincidence? I believe that Bob Orci does not believe in the coincidence theory, so what do you think is happening here?

297. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 31, 2012

Posts #296 and 299 are not mine!

298. Rosemary - October 31, 2012

Sorry. Post #293 is mine but #294 and 297 are not mine. Is it me or do the post numbers keep changing?

Yes, I can cuss at times – like use the “f” word or bloody or damn. I have never used the word doofus though.

To those in charge of this site – if you can delete posts at random and then have some of them reappear, then you can sort out OUT this bullshit (yes, there’s another naughty word).

A rose for remembrance

299. Daoud - October 31, 2012

None since 284 are me either. I guess the faker didn’t like me pointing out the location of the real Bob Orci.
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When ever Anthony actually comes back, he can see immediately from IP logs how to ban this fellow to the end of eternity. It will also be immediately apparent that he doesn’t know our email addresses.
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Not sure why he’s trying to cause a war between you and me, Rose, or between DMD and me. Amusement, I guess.

300. K-7 - October 31, 2012

A lot of trick or treaters coming to my house tonight were dressed in Monsanto costumes.

301. rose pinenut - October 31, 2012

Something *interesting* about Benedict Cumberbatch –

“BTW, did you see the conversation between illusionist Darren Brown and pianist James Rhodes? JR said he couldn’t understand Ben’s appeal to women and DB replied ‘He’s a vagician!’

Well, I hear he has a fabulous magic wand.”

LOL!

(I think this was on a TV show in Britain).

302. yrch - November 1, 2012

And thus, the secret plot of Jar Jar Binks comes to completion.
I hope, he takes his ridiculous rock-faced cousin with him, and the likes of them will never be seen again in the realm of Star Trek.

Hmm…, on second thoughts.. Wesley Crusher having a skin condition? Off, off, to Disney, go! Go!

303. MJ - November 1, 2012

@306 “A lot of trick or treaters coming to my house tonight were dressed in Monsanto costumes.”

Yet no one showed up dressed as a WTC 6 demolition spook?

LOL

304. Daoud - November 1, 2012

I had one kid dressed like Fidel Castro, and he was hawking a copy of a script that had Darkness in the title… but I could tell he was really some guy in his late 30’s with combed straight jet black hair, so I didn’t take him up on it.

305. MJ - November 1, 2012

@305. LOL — outstanding!

306. Banned - November 2, 2012

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307. Banned - November 2, 2012

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308. MJ - November 5, 2012

****** Posts 305 to 307 are not mine ******

309. Banned - November 6, 2012

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