Security Makes Star Trek A No Smoking Shoot – Ryder Not Happy December 20, 2007
by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: ST09 Cast , trackback
The secrecy of the new Star Trek film is becoming legend in Hollywood. In an interview earlier today Karl Urban (McCoy) noted that it was the most difficult thing to deal with and it appears he isn’t alone. Contact Music is reporting that security concerns have resulted in a smoking ban, and apparently Winona Ryder (Amanda Grayson) is ‘furious.’
It appears the producers are so concerned with spy photos leaking out that no one is to leave the secure areas to take cig breaks…forcing them to stay in the secure non-smoking areas. The site quotes a source saying:
Winona’s a heavy smoker and she was furious when the producers told her she’s not allowed to take a smoke break anywhere near the set because of a confidentiality agreement she signed.
The site reports that Abrams has tried to explain that his desire for secrecy is to ensure the film has maximum box office and that Ryder understood, “but she’s crawling the walls.” They also report that the crew are filming at a desert location. more at Contact Music.
Urban on Secrecy
In his recent interview, Karl Urban (McCoy) lamented the need for secrecy.
I think the hardest part really is maintaining the level of security and secrecy that we have all been forced to adopt. I mean it’s really kind of paranoid crazy, but sort of justified. We’re not allowed to walk around in public in our costumes and we have to be herded around everywhere in these golf carts that are completely concealed and covered in black canvas. The security of it is immense. You feel your freedom is a big challenge.
The secret script
One amazing thing is that so far the Star Trek team have managed to keep the script from being leaked, not an easy thing to do in this day and age. One way they have done that is by actually limiting the number of people who actually have a copy to a very very small number. Some lead actors on the film have reported that they did not even see the script until after they signed on, and then only in a secure room. In an earlier interview co-writer Roberto Orci told TrekMovie.com that they didn’t use actual parts of the script for the auditions, but used parts of Star Trek novels. And a source close to the production tells TrekMovie.com that many actors on the film are only given pages for their scenes and that they are not allowed to take them home. The same is also true for those working on designs and effects, with each artist only given a copy of the portion of the script describing the scene or object they are working on. This compartmentalizing of information keeps people from being able to decipher the plot. Of course they still have a year to go, but so far Star Trek appears to be successfully keeping the leaks to a minimum.
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Good. Maybe she’ll live longer.
understandable..if i were in the movie i would quit if asked =) small price to pay!
Maybe they should write chain smoking into the character. That would make it… interesting…
#3 – that would not be (wait for it) logical!
i would go bat shit crazy, she has my sympathies
Abrams needs to dig out Nicholas Meyer’s Star Trek II ‘No Smoking’ bridge signs out of Paramount’s storage & post them in Winona’s trailer.
It’ll be fun to see Amanda Grayson on nicotine withdrawals. Star Trek for the modern day! *LOL*
Ryder is smokin’ without smokin’…………uh, yeah………… :)
Patches girl, get patches! Or gum.
As for the secrecy… GOOD!
The internets has nearly killed movies before. I’m glad secrecy is bringing the magic back.
2 reactions: #1- slow news day. #2- Winona Ryder is just that much lamer in my eyes now.
Why are they being so secret? Man… you would think that William Shatner was in this film or something…
:)
I, a lifelong nonsmoker, now have the early stages of COPD. Why? Because I worked in an office full of chain-smokers for 6 years back in the 80s.
I can’t prove it directly, of course, but I’ve never been the same since I worked there.
Only one person [besides me] who worked there in 1986 is still among the living & she quit smoking and the office in 1991.
I have no sympathy for Winona or anyone else who can’t smoke indiscriminately wherever or whenever they want.
Parents who smoke in a vehicle with chidren aboard should be prosecuted for child abuse.
Winona’s made it clear she likes to smoke
With the part she’s playing, it should be a toke
She’s sexy as hell
She’ll play the part well
If this movie’s no good, I’ll just croak!
I like this ultra-high security rule JJ has. It’s been too easy to ruin the movie for myself by doing a little snooping in past years.
This secrecy might effect the acting has no one thought of that?
It would affect the acting if they filmed the ending before the climax. Otherwise, they would know how their character would act no matter what scene they were filming, based on Stanislavski’s method of acting.
#6 – That is, if they haven’t been sold yet on eBay’s IAW auctions!
She’ll smoke until they take her breasts off. Then she’ll quit. Who cares. Smokers stink like crap. I don’t think she should be in a Star Trek movie anyhow, smoker or not.
Umm, I’m not in the know as to how it goes these days on a movie set. Truthfully, I’ve only worked on one set my whole life. But don’t high profile actors get their own trailers? Couldn’t she just smoke there? Is that no longer done?
I bet William Shatner is in the movie. Thats part of the reason for all the secrecy. The other reason may be that the movie may just be an average movie…but what better way to have Trekkies lining up in droves to see the film when its released if they know nothing about it….
aww, boo hoo. no cancer sticks. get over yourself.
Just because we smokers were stupid enough to pick up the habit doesn’t give y’all non-smokers out there the right to treat us like second class citizens. i don’t mind smoking out in the cold or crushing one out because a kid or a pregnant woman is walking by or snuffing one out because someone has an allergy. and i would quit if the patches or gum weren’t so expensive. sorry for the rant there i just hate that sort of attitude.
The secrecy is twofold for me, the mystery excites yet frustrates me, i wish i could know what was goin on yet i don’t wanna ruin it and i know 08 is gonna be a long year for me.
people should be permitted to smoke what and when they like. Just for fun , has anyone thought about what kind of second hand smoke from campfires does to peoples lungs? especially when people throw all sorts of things in the fire. there is alot to be proven and as a former smoker (two months now) I dont mind what people do. also know that my mom is fighting lung cancer after smoking for 50 years, Thing is that my dad put up with a two pack a day smoker and his lungs are fine..:s
I see that the anti-smoking Fascists are out in force.
Don’t smoke myself, nor do I understand the need for some people to put down the Rights of others. It’s their choice. This is supposed to be America.
#12. Bob Tompkins – Child abuse? From someone who has been a victim, and an advocate of Child Abuse Victims…That is an insult!
I am sorry about your illness, But think you are just trying to find a way to place blame. COPD can be triggered by many different factors.
Including bad Genes.
Oh, and Timmy’s Mommy is HOT! :)
Anthony left out the “rabid Trekkies” reference in the Contact Music article, haha.
Perhaps she could quit? Just because we love something, doesn’t mean we should do it.
Poor Winona. Security cameras caught her stealing a smoke…
I’m a smoker, yet my job does not allow me to take smoke breaks. I often work eight to nine hour days without having a cigarette, and I’ve never had a problem. NO DTs, no nicotene withdrawal, nothing. To make sure it wasn’t all in my head, I asked my co-workers if they noticed any change in my attitude. Do I become short-tempered, surly, or do I seem to lose my concentration and focus? None of them said that I was adversely affected.
If Ms. Ryder is having that much trouble with her habit, then I suggest either quitting cigarettes or passing on roles in high profile, big budget movies.
Me, I’m gonna light up a cigarette, because I can. Want one, Wynona? Oops! Sorry.
yea, no smoking!!!! i hate it..
In response to #12, I am a smoker who can wait to have one when possible. I can go on long flights without smoking and you have my sympathies, but, it is a free world and if I want to stand outside and smoke that is my business. Did you know the average bus spits out more Carbon Monoxide in one minute “about 12000 cigarettes per minute” then the average smoker in a lifetime? Ban those, stop telling me and others what to do. It’s public! And as for working in an office full of smokers in the 80’s, quit if you don’t like it there. It’s not like you didn’t know smoking is bad for you. As for the child abuse comment, it is an insult to people who have been vitims. And again, it’s my car I can do what I like in it. I own it.
The compartmentalized security could very well hold until….
Michael Giaccino conducts about 100 musicians, seeing the entire film on a giant screen. Or maybe they don’t do that anymore, with only the composer at the podium staring at a monitor.
Anyway, Leonard Nimoy had the orchestra problem with Star Trek III. He had to swear every musician to secrecy.
I, for one, hope it remains a secret…forever.
While I may think smoking is a disgusting habit, I’m not incapable of extending sympathy to Ms. Ryder who must be uncomfortable due to the restrictions. I am surprised that there is no way to secure location or an enclosed room that could be used for a brief smoking break. I’m sure Ms. Ryder isn’t the only one working on the film who lamenting this.
Oh, smoking is SO attractive. Winona can live with it, but if she keeps it up she won’t be living with it for very long!
Interesting story.
Abrams should of made it perfectly clear to everyone
before signing the contract that smoking wasn’t allowed.
But…I’m sure she’s getting paid much more then what she
is worth for her time. She has no right to complain.
Just write her off NOW…and continue on. Who needs her?
Well…..write her off the ship and the story of course.
I agree with #12 and 30.
^
And yes they do have trailers in witch they smoke more than tabbacco.
^
This seems like a story that jj has allready delt with. I’m sure he gave her whatever she needed and this is a knee-jerk reaction story.
With all the secrecy and the A-list actors on board (I’d say Winona still qualifies), you’d figure they’d have built a ventilated room like the ones they used to have at airports for smokers.
I’m a non-smoker and I can’t be too close to someone while they’re smoking because it gives me a headache — plus there’s the second-hand smoke issue — but I don’t understand the vehemence of the anti-smokers here. It’s not that big a deal to accommodate smokers in such a way as to minimize the risks to everyone else, especially if the smokers are respectful of the boundaries (and most of them are these days, at least in the US).
i hate to say it , by all the security in the world wont stop the INTERNET !! , but really they are trying very hard to limit leaks, but they will happen oh yes they will happen…………………dun dunnnn duhhhh !!!
Sucks to be Ms. Ryder, really.
I am deeply grateful for the secrecy. The relative lack of leaks has made threads like this spoiler-free enough that I can safely remain a part of the community, at least for a few more months.
I hope they don’t. I like the secrecy. I always avoid reading any leaks online, but every once in a while some jerk in an IRC channel will blurt it out… and get banned of course, but the damage has already been done. :(
I think Winona should kick the habit, personally. She won’t look good forever if she keeps on puffing away. Just look at what happened to Nimoy! Like mother, like son. :P
#30
Sorry but you shouldn’t have the right to do anything you want in your car just because you own it. Does that mean you should be able to shoot somebody in your car because you own it?
countin flowers on the wall
that dont bother me at all
playing solitataire til dawn
with a deck of 51
smoking cigarettes and watching
KAPTAIN KANGAROOO
now don’t tell me..
I’ve nothing to do
If the secrecy thing is true then why all the spy photos so far? Is there a misinformation campaign out there to keep everyone off balance?
Spy photos? Spy photos?!!! I know nothing of no frickin’ spy photos! That would be Just Frickin’ ineXcusable!
That`s a good thing, this Stasi-Like Security. (Stasi was the secret service of the former DDR – Democratic Republic of Germany).
I do remember, when the script for NEMESIS was on the internet back in 2002.
I hope I will be suprised by the new Trek and don`t get to read complete pages of the script.
Happy Christmas, by the way.
That`s a good thing, this Stasi-Like Security. (Stasi was the secret service of the former DDR – Democratic Republic of Germany).
I do remember, when the script for NEMESIS was on the internet back in 2002.
I hope I will be suprised by the new Trek and don`t get to read complete pages of the script.
Marry Christmas, by the way.
I couldn’t care less about ryders need for a cigarette… all im glad about is that this film is so secret, i mean of course im curious but look what happened to Nemesis!!!
I read the whole nemesis script online months before the film came out… i knew data would die… that Will Riker was leaving and that the nemesis was a clone of Picard. It destroyed my interest in the movie as there was no mystery, no wow factor, i just felt like i was watching something id seen before.
Wynona Ryder is lucky to have a job at all, and she should realize that her days of being able to behave like a prima donna are over. I, for one, was disappointed to hear that she was going to be in the movie. She lacks the presence for the role.
Smokers whine on and on. Just respect the health of others by NOT lighting up around non-smokers–just as random, decent, rational people would not use cleaning solutions with potentially dangerous side-effects around others, or chew food with their mouths open….very easy to do–if you actually care about not forcing your highly questionable habits on others.
That’s tough if you’re a heavy smoker, but her last movie was…? Let’s see, her last movie was…when? Her last movie was…gosh, wasn’t it sometime before her shoplifting arrest which was ABOUT A HUINDRED YEARS AGO!!!! Suck it up & be thankful you’re working as an actress again, especially in what may be the biggest film in ‘08.
Yeah,
I hope at least the redisigned Enterprise is gonna be smokin’..
At least they could have a temporary smoke room for her and other actors who need to smoke during the breaks.
I haven’t been suprised by a Star Trek film since Star Trek V (the first I saw in a theater). The local WaldenBooks had the novelization of Star Trek VI about a week before the movie premiered, so even though I got to go to a sneak preview since a group I was involved with was doing a charity event at the premiere, I already knew everything that was going to happen. (I was dissapointed with the omissions from the book… at the time I didn’t understand that novelists often add their own material to the books, or employ already abandoned concepts from earlier scripts).
By Generations, I had the internet, and … well… that was that.
Good luck, JJ, on keeping it under wraps. The real question, though, is how long will he be able to keep the Enterprise design covered up…
Rob+
This movie isnt worth keeping under wraps. people who are gonna see it will do so whether there are leaks or not. I certainly will not pay to see it, and might not even watch it if it’s leaked onto YouTube.
Winona will steal every scene shes in.
#55 You are an idiot!
I hope they keep the script secret until the day of release.
The real problem would be if we still don’t know the plot of the movie even after we have watched it.
I’m picturing Winona as a young teen sneaking smokes out of her mom’s purse — two bad habits started in one seemingly small act.
Just like when little Jimmy Kirk surprised his kindergarten teacher with that red rose, box of chocolates and quick peck on the lips. These kinds of things show up at a very young age.
I understand actors work long hours and I sympathize, but they are well compensated. To even be working, when the Writer’s Strike has shut down so many productions is fortunate. So, wear a patch, whatever it takes. Ryder’s career could use the boost, too. Hasn’t exactly been getting a lot of A-list roles lately. So, get over it! It’s nicotine, not oxygen!
55 – yeah I’m the same – despite posting on a trek website i certainly wont be watching it at the theatre and i wont buy or rent it when it comes out on dvd.
i might catch it on cabel one night in a couple of years if its on and i have nothing much to do (I’m a very busy person)..but even then i might not watch it….
I don’t smoke, but the “science” on second-hand smoke is bullshit.
Anyway, this throws a little more light on the concern over at jfxonline the other week about blocking out the face of the woman their spy photographed in a uniform so that she wouldn’t get fired – she probably was caught out in a public area that she wasn’t supposed to be in.
In space, no-one can smell your smoke.
But as far as the security is concerned, if it’s that as they describe, that means that the leaked plot details we have heard may be totally and completely false. Let’s hope so.
Young JJ needs to declare a “No Winona” shoot.
#62 – The science on second hand smoke is more solid than on global warming.
Not that that is necessarily saying much.
The admount of secrecy on the new film is so great….
Me : There’s a new Star Trek film on the way….
My Family : There is ?
That’s some killer secrecy right there, yanno.
- W -
* My family isn’t net-heads so they don’t know about the new film *
#67 – my family knows there is a new Star Trek movie. They keep hearing it from me. >;>}
Smokers at best are dangerously reckless and at worst have a death wish. To risk the little time we have on this plane to be “cool” or tempt fate with a “it-won’t-happen-to-me” attitude is pitiable. And they’re probably the first to complain about health care costs as soon as the lung disease kicks in.
How many times to you see a smoker throw a butt onto the sidewalk instead of disposing of it in the ashtray that’s only three feet away? Grrrr.
#69 – If people want to smoke, that’s their business. If I ever breathe it, then it’s my business. I am in my vehicle, the people in the car in front of me are smoking, I have to breathe it (or turn off the air conditioner/heater). I want to go to a restaurant, I have to breathe it: separate sections does not stop the smoke. I stand in my front yard and have to breathe smoke from the passing cars.
If people need to smoke, they also just need to not exhale or let any of the smoke leak out!
Well, she still has her ping pong balls.
We’ve had a lot of unique characters in Trek, but a chain-smoking, shoplifting human married to a Vulcan. I smell a sitcom!
SINCE WE’RE ON THE SUBJECT OF SMOKING…
As much as I think it’s a filthy and disgusting (and illogical) habit, I’m certainly a little more sympathetic than some others on this board, if only because almost my entire family smokes (with the exception of myself–although I wouldn’t be surprised if I have some latent form of second-hand smoke cancer!). My father, mother and younger sister all started smoking in their mid- to late-teens and they’ve been addicted ever since. My father, God bless him, quit cold turkey over a year ago, but my mother and sister (plus most of my aunts, uncles & cousins) continue to smoke heavily to this day.
On top of that, my grandmother was a heavy smoker and although she lived to be 80, the last 5 years of her life were incredibly rough, as she’d suffered a major stroke and then ultimately died of lung cancer.
DON’T blame smokers themselves… blame the peer pressure at an early age to look and act “cool” and the manufacturers who LOAD the cigarettes with addictive chemicals. It’s obviously not easy for smokers to quit, even though most wish they could.
#70 – I agree. As an occassional smoker, I hereby promise not to exhale while smoking anymore. I would just ask, since I don’t like vehicle exhaust fumes, that all vehicle owners please plug up your exhaust pipe so that I won’t have to breathe them anymore. And for those with a flatulence problem, please be sure to hold that in and not release it either.
Hollywood.com gave a new interview with executive producer Damon Lindelof
Here’s what he said about william shatner:
“There are still ongoing talks. We’re pretty much exactly where we were with Comic Con … Look, the reality is Trek was up and running and in existence and iconic before we came so we’ve been basically invited to the party that these guys have been throwing for the last 40 years, so obviously it would be HUGE if Mr. Shatner wanted to be any part of the franchise. It’s a challenge for us, though, because they killed Kirk off … But hey, it’s Trek, anything’s possible, right?”
#73 – A car with no (bad) exhaust sounds good. And if my flatuence gives anybody cancer, I’ll stop!
But these examples are of things that serve a useful purpose; exhaust from a vehicle that is used for transportation, flatulence from digestion, which is somewhat important for life.
Smoking serves no useful purpose.
I love the secrecy, Surprise me!
and #74.. “we’ve been basically invited to the party that these guys have been throwing for the last 40 years, so obviously it would be HUGE if Mr. Shatner wanted to be any part of the franchise. It’s a challenge for us, though, because they killed Kirk off … But hey, it’s Trek, anything’s possible, right?”
Righ!
Don’t argue with me Shat-no-likeys, that’s from yet ANOTHER producer of the new movie who understands the legend…the awesomeness and the possibilites of Shatman.
“There are still ongoing talks.” Lindelof says.
Music to my ears.
I get so tired of hearing that “Kirk was killed in Generations”. Big Deal. As if “death” ever prevented a Star Trek character from returning. Let’s see… Spock was killed in “Wrath of Khan”, Scotty was killed in “The Changeling”, McCoy was killed in “Shore Leave”, Chekov was killed in “Spectre Of The Gun”. But all these characters managed to return from the dead. So how come Kirk has to remain dead… in the Nexus… as part of Picard’s own private reality… which didn’t make sense anyway, since Picard’s reality should not have affected the “real” reality. Anyway… I find the whole argument of “Kirk’s dead” to be just a convenient way to keep Shatner out of the movie.
eww. Smokers stink.
As a smoker myself, I can only tell you this will work to the film’s advantage if the character she is playing is supposed to be really agitated or angry!!!
#30 – “Public” space means its shared space. If you claim the right to stink up the shared air, how would you like it if someone else decided to p*ss or crap in the space you shared because the have the same rights? it’s the same thing – undesirable behavior. I hope Miss Ryder is having nicotine fits. No sympathy here for her.
#75 – “Smoking serves no useful purpose.”
For you personally, maybe. However, that cannot be said for the general population. In the past, smoking probably kept me out of jail on more than one occassion, when I was ready to strangle an idiot co-worker or two. Instead, I’d run outside and smoke a cig and that would calm me down.
Also, since I have pretty much quit smoking over the past two years, having only smoked maybe three cigs in that time, my breathing has become worse. When I questioned this, I was asked what type of cigs I smoked. Menthol Lights. I was told that, in my case, the menthol in the cigs actually helped keep my breathing passages open, thus the problems since I have stopped.
Now, the first thing out of someone’s mouth is going to be, you can get menthol from something else that is not a cigarette. My arguement here is going to be, yes… and you can also get from point A to point B using something that emits no fumes. You can heat your house using methods that do not emit smoke. You can eat foods that do not cause flatulence.
In other words, it’s all about “choice”. I can choose to smoke and exhale smoke from by mouth, or chew chewing gum instead. You can choose to commute using a vehilce that emits smoke, or one that does not. You can choose to eat foods that will cause you to fart, or ones that won’t. You can burn wood to heat your house and have smoke escape your chimney, or use electricity instead.
Let he who is without offensive smoke or fumes cast the first stone.
#76. I know, just like you, I can’t wait to see a 250+pounds of girdled, toupee wearing, 70+ year old “SHATMAN” hamming his way through a movie that is trying to restart a franchise.
Let me ask everyone this…. Do you want them to make more than just one of these new movies? Then let them have a fighting chance by infusing a little integrity into the franchise. Vulcans can live to be 200 by canon… so an older Nimoy makes sense – not an older human.
respectfully, Kirk/Shatner is the Man. NO one can replace him….but it’s OK to pass the reigns gracefully.
Good for JJ!
If people here in Ohio can get used to the no smoking laws,
anyone can!
Smoking: Don’t make your filthy self-destructive habit MY problem.
Why is she in this movie again?
#81 – well, I haven’t killed any of my idiot co-workers yet, but maybe yours are worse than mine. >;>}
I read somewhere that the calming effect of smoking may just be the breathing. They found that breathing through a cigarette sized tube would produce similar effects, but that’s not as cool.
The issue with smoking is that is not only offensive, it is deadly. The ‘benefits’ are more than outweighed by the consequences. If you want to accept those consequences for yourself, that’s one thing, but I don’t want that forced on me.
Let me make my own bad choices.
One of the newer methods of breaking the habit is very effective. The chick next to me at work has smoked for 32 years and stopped on a dime with no issues, so did her husband. I want to say the name of the gum/drug is citrix, but that is not right.
Cigarettes killed my mom, and she didn’t get to be famous, or rich, or looney.
GET THE NAIL OUT OF YOUR FACE, DUMBA**!
#62
I thought about that Dennis, but she appears to have been photographed in the exact same location they snapped Chris Pine, so I’m not sure why she’d get in any more trouble than him. I did notice though, they both appeared to be running in the pictures. I wonder if that spot is between stages & trailers or something? Or maybe they’re running for the bathroom!
“I don’t smoke, but the “science” on second-hand smoke is bullshit.”
You produce some mighty cool special FX, Mr. Bailey, but do you have any scientific training that allows you to speak with such authority on this subject? Are you telling us that one pass through a human lung is all it takes to purge cigarette smoke of all those dandy carcinogens the tobacco companies colluded for decades to convince us were non-existent? Is that “sound” science?
I don’t like bluenoses of any political stripe self-righteously telling people what they can or can’t put into their own bodies, and as a practical matter I would hope that reasonable smokers and non-smokers could be left to work things out on their own without government interferance. But the bottom line remains: anyone’s right to smoke ends where my lungs begin. Period.
As for the movie, while I can understand and appreciate the need for secrecy, I can’t think that all of this compartmentalizing is good for the creative process. Still, you never know.
Fact of the matter is, there’re PLENTY of people who’ve died of lung cancer and never had a cigarette in their lives! Could it be that smoking is just the scapegoat for something ELSE that could be causing it?
I agree with #72 “DON’T blame smokers themselves… blame the peer pressure at an early age to look and act “cool” and the manufacturers who LOAD the cigarettes with addictive chemicals. It’s obviously not easy for smokers to quit, even though most wish they could.”
My dad was both, an alcoholic and a chain smoker. He said it was easier to quit alcohol than cigarettes – the cigarettes were more addictive. He tried to quit, then would light up a cig while wearing a nicotine patch. He died of complications related to his emphysema.
Anyone who successfully quits smoking deserves a pat on the back and a lot of respect.
#90
Suuuureeee.. The government testing impuls engines in secret. The fact is, people died of smoking. Period. People also died of second hand smoke. Also period.
This doesn’t neccisarely mean that you *will* die of cigatte smoke. It means there’s a God afwul big chance! Even bigger than that this movie will be a hit, if you don’t mind me saying.
JJ is right of keeping smokes off his set, especially in public places. Here in the Netherlands you’re not even allowed to smoke in public buildings and I’m pretty sure that with the Long Beach city hall JJ didn’t had a choice anyways.
Romulan Ale however, that’s another matter :)
Nicotine is a drug that counterfeits the brain chemical seratonin.Nicotine gives a false”Yes I can” reward type message to the brain that serotonin ordinarily does in a healthy non-addict.so when someone is having a ‘nicotine fit’ they’re actually trying to answer a jumble of stored emotions that they have’nt healthily processed.so if your the kind of person that has alot of unresolved (stored emotion)emotional issues that make you anxious,you are caught in a cycle if you keep using nicotine.
#62: “I don’t smoke, but the “science” on second-hand smoke is bullshit.”
I demand that you cite your sources or retract that comment.
(Just kidding. This is just my long-delayed, tongue-in-cheek reaction to Dennis’s insistence in a different article that someone “post a link or retract” a comment they made about Brannon Braga. I held my tongue (fingers?) at the time, but was quite amused.)
#84 She is Spock’s Vulcan mom lol!
Definitely off topic here but ….
One of the theories about lung cancer postulated by the tobacco industry at one time was that smoking does not cause lung cancer, but rather lung cancer causes smoking.
They cited studies that show that smoking reduced some of the initial effects of lung cancer. Therefore people who were pre-destined to have lung cancer would be drawn to smoke to reduce these effects – without knowing they were in the early stages of lung cancer.
Later, as lung cancer developed and was detected, it was falsely assumed that smoking had caused the cancer – rather than the other way around.
Believe or not …
As a former smoker, menthols that is, the worst kind of cig you can smoke, I have to say I agree with Nicholas Meyer’s view that smoking has existed for centuries and will probably still exist in the 23rd century (hence his no smoking sign on the bridge and on the transporter). I quit because I didn’t want to age prematurely and live a longer life, but I don’t go around preaching my choice to others who still smoke.
As for Ryder, any job comes with conditions and rules, she’ll adapt. If it were such a big deal, she does have the choice to quit the project. Instead, she is continuing her work on the film.
Commendations for maintaining a smoke-free workplace and the story under wraps.
Just give Winona some Nicorette Gum and Patches.
If that’s not enough to quell her drug withdrawal symptoms, give her a few action scenes as well.
she’s a chain smoker? I had no idea! no wonder she looks much older than her years…
I do not smoke, but I used to for years and years. (Good Lord, this thread is starting to sound like an AA meeting.)
Stop smoking. Or don’t. This is America (at least where I am typing from). I live in a state with strict non-smoking laws. That made it pretty easy to quit, particularly when the weather gets down below zero.
But for all the non-smokers who feel that this is a good time to climb up on their pedestals, look in a mirror. People in glass houses should not throw stones.
Do you drive a car? Do you know how all the products in your home are manufactured? Do you eat red meat? Do you wear leather? Are your clothes made overseas in sweatshops? Stop being hypocrites.
Smokers aren’t the cause of all evil so quit being so vindictive of them. Yes, they should probably quit, but let’s leave that choice up to them. In a restaurant or in a place of business, non-smoking makes perfectly good sense. Public places where scads of people are going to be within close proximity are places where conducting yourself civilly should be a no-brainer. Don’t play your music at an offensive level. Try to watch your swearing. Don’t smoke. Get off your cell phone. But remember that we should embrace our freedom. Nobody has told you yet that driving your SUV should be outlawed. Nobody has told you yet that the production of red meat might possibly damage the environment so you must quit. Nobody has outlawed the purchase of electronic devices that might be hazardous to the environment.
Glass houses and stones and all that.
I have yet to understand why people, knowing full well that smoking will give them cancer and kill them, choose to start smoking in the first place. Then again I don’t why people do alot of stupid things in this world.
Thank you THX… my thoughts exactly. I would also like to add as a smoker that I’m considerate of my second hand smoke, and so I take measures to not expose others to it. But those pedistal balancers need to keep in mind that infringing on my rights just to take a stance will not need to worry about my second hand smoke… they have a guaranteed and immidiate health risk from me if I don’t. ;)
I remember the last time actors were held to complete secrecy. They were only shown script lines from their individual scenes and they weren’t made aware of the entire story. I believe the movie was called, “the phantom menace” and if I may say so, it LOOKED as though all the actors didn’t know what the story was. Meesa hope dat don’t happen here!
and to close, Star Trek Generations was a purely metaphysical movie. Nothing that happened in Picard’s reality really occurred. Kirk remains in the Nexus. Spock, leave Romulus and go get him!
#89 M. Hall: “But the bottom line remains: anyone’s right to smoke ends where my lungs begin. Period.”
Then, to be consistent you’d better demand the end of driving, flying, boating, and any other activity that burns fossil fuels, plus campfires, home fireplaces, etc because THOSE dangerous chemical by-products are going into your lungs TOO. Period.
#88 Sean: “I thought about that Dennis, but she appears to have been photographed in the exact same location they snapped Chris Pine, so I’m not sure why she’d get in any more trouble than him”
Pine is one of the stars of this movie, firing him would grind the movie to a halt. They’d have to go through the whole recasting again, re-film scenes, etc. If the woman photo’d earlier was just an extra the producers would lose nothing by letting her go.
As far as the security goes: I think not allowing smoking, or providing a secure place to do so, is going too far. I’m glad the script hasn’t leaked out yet, but I do wish for just a *little* bit more info.
you CAN’T be considerate to the extent of actually eliminating the effects of second-hand smoke. the only way you can do it is by stopping the habit. personally, I don’t throw stones at smokers. I grew up with them and even if I have never smoked, I’m sure my lungs have suffered from the proximity factor. but overall, I just can’t stand the habit and the smell bothers me. it permeates every effing thing around a smoker! yuck.
okay, time to shut up before the flames start. ;)
105 – ^ Before?
#100
- Good Lord, this thread is starting to sound like an AA meeting. –
Don’t worry – we’re having a lot of AS meetings, it’s your turn now for a change. ;-)
“Then, to be consistent you’d better demand the end of driving, flying, boating, and any other activity that burns fossil fuels, plus campfires, home fireplaces, etc because THOSE dangerous chemical by-products are going into your lungs TOO. Period.”
Please. If you really think that’s a clever argument then apparently you never bothered to learn the principle of reductio ad absurdum. The good news is, you needn’t blame it on the effects of second-hand smoke.
#100 I don’t recall any one saying smokers are evil. Reckless and inconsiderate maybe…but not evil.
#86
That’s Chantrix. And if it will help me quit smoking while not gaining 20 pounds during the process and prevent me from commiting murder during a nic-fit, I’d be happy to give it a whirl.
So your coworker stopped on a dime, huh? Interesting. Very interesting. I’ll have to check this out.
Peace. Live long and prosper.
The Vulcanista }:-|
62. Dennis Bailey wrote: “I don’t smoke, but the “science” on second-hand smoke is bullshit.”
Ever work in a bar Dennis? Think about it.
However, there’s no way JJ can make Winona (or the other smokers on the shoot, it’ not just her after all) sit and not smoke… IT’S ADDICTIVE. I can see why someone would get furious while in a nicotine fit.
#105 BULL! You certainly can be considerate by going around a corner, standing downwind, …simply putting some distance. Now if someone even seen smoking somehow offends some then they have a greater problem with some kind of oral fixated phalic phobia, or worse… but they don’t have to look.
#109-Read closely. I didn’t accuse anyone of saying smokers are evil. I cautioned against people being vindictive.
#107-I was just trying to be funny. I failed.
Vulcanista- The way it worked for me, I did the step-down method. No patches, no gum, and no other aids. Went from a pack a day to 10 cigarettes. Did that for a week. Then went to 7, then 6, then 5 until I was at one and then came to the realization that I had basically quit. So I stopped. I work out regularly and watch what I eat and am now in better shape than I was in my 20’s. Good luck in the effort to quit, or enjoy that next one for me. You’ll not hear me preach.
I agree with the valid concerns about the affect of the rigid security on the performances. Yes all the actors are professionals, but a bad work environment is still a bad work environment and it will show through.
#113
– I was just trying to be funny. I failed. –
No, you didn’t fail! I was trying to be funny, too. Maybe I failed or maybe another misunderstanding. Is there a group for people who keep having misunderstandings?
But if we keep trying, I think there’s still hope that one fine day we will establish understanding.
ok, but WHY is there a no smoking policy on set?? Any specific reasons…?
#77 windsor bear. a very good point you make there. thats right all those characters have died yet come back. so why cant kirk?
as for this winnona ryder smoking thing – well i think she signed a confidentiality clause so thats that. she would -like everyone else have to adhere to the studios non smoking policy. so i dont really know what she is complaining about!
Britain has now banned smoking in public places right accross the country. i must admit as a non smoker it is nice tio walk into a pub, cafe, resteraunt or other and not come out smelling of smoke. it is sad to see staff of those places huddled up outside having a cigarette.
cheers
Greg
UK
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Holy magoli, everyone jumping on the righteous no-smoking bandwagon. I just gave up myself two weeks ago but I’m not part of the brigade where I think no-one should smoke. It’s not like the woman wants to smoke in an enclosed space with lots of toddlers around. She’s looking to have a smoke outside the set.
The security has gone a bit Republican, in my opinion. It’s one thing keeping things secret, it’s another keeping it secret where the actors have to rush their lines and the background people have to hurriedly do their job, possibly to a quality that would not befit the franchise. I have been fairly supportive of Abrams as a director thus far but feel this is a bit obsessive. And coming from a life-long Star Trek fan, that’s saying something. If I didn’t want to read spoilers and see the uniforms, I would avoid sites like this. It’s a mature decision I take. Going to the lengths to keep a film secret in this manner is borderline sectionable.
@116 – Probably so it won’t burn down. You’d be surprised the amount of volatile chemicals there are on a film set. At the same time, not permitting smoking off-set is a bit fascist.
#113 THX-1138 “am now in better shape than I was in my 20’s”
Good for you! Smoking cigarettes is the one vice I avoided……but my other bad habits have worn me down a bit…….hey, I get winded taking a shower!
Well, I’m off to Cancun in the morning for a week of sun n’ fun! When I get back I’ll give you a debriefing…on my debriefing!! :)
I had a Social Studies teacher in High School who was always challenging us to think for ourselves. As to the right of smokers to poison anyone:
Your rights end where my nose begins.
Put that in your pipes & smoke it.
I’m off the soapbox, I’ll stick to Trek comments in the future.
“Your rights end where my nose begins” – works both ways. If it’s not the law, you can’t enforce your opinions on anyone. That includes smoking in places that are permitted, by law.
I live in Ireland, which is the first country that, by law, outlawed smoking in the workplace (including bars and restaurants) completely, across the entire country. There has been a big debate on this. When I smoked, I would always ensure I was not getting in the way of people. I would stand outside of a bus-shelter, as I thought it polite (even if other people didn’t have the foresight to do so). I would avoid being close to kids on the street. I would avoid blowing it in people’s faces (proverbially, not literally, before anyone decides to be some pain-in-the-arse pedant). I agree, second-hand smoking can be harmful, but if you think about it enough, you can enjoy a smoke and not have it effect anyone, and then we’ll all be happy and this silly discussion would never have happened.
Hmmm. Well, maybe it’ll get her to kick the habit. Or maybe someone ought to give her some nicotine patches to tide her over.
Why not have Spock go back in time and make sure TOBACCO was never invented?? Nah, too easy! :)
My dearest Winona,
Please consider using the smoking restrictions as your first step to dumping the habit. Give it a try, please.
Harry, have a great time and Happy Holidays. Try to be gentle on the unsuspecting damsels in Cancun.
Harry,
Feliz Navidad, mi amigo!
Drink several [insert drink of Harry's choice] for me, please! On the beach.
Peace. Live long and prosper.
The Vulcanista }:-|
She should smoke something else besides cigs.
Cigs are dangerous.
I think the whole secrecy thing is cool.
Only four days to go until we hit the 1 year mark on the countdown to the movie!
Thanks, THX and Vulcanista……..as to the damsels……..I make NO promises! :)
Anyone stupid enough to smoke cigarettes earns whatever sickness they get. Cigarettes are one of, if not the only, thing on earth that when used properly as directed, can kill the user. Next time I’m outside where someone is blowing smoke at me, I’ll just take a swig of beer and spit in in their face. Let’s see how they like it.
And incidentally, smoking was banned on or near the set because JJ didn’t want people running off in their COSTUMES and being seen by photographers, not because he doesn’t like cigarettes (though if he has any brains about him, he doesn’t).
She doesn’t need to smoke. Just because she lived in the Timothy Leary compound as a child doesn’t mean she needs to continue to emulate his wonderful lifestyle.
She should suck up her looks while she can. No woman over 30 looks good as a smoker…wrinkle leather stinky woman city
Time to give up yer dity habit, oh el’ actors. Its better for you and everybody around you who don’t want to enhale that crap.
That’s dirty habit.