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Report On JJ Abrams Star Trek Event In Spain + New Image of Spock November 14, 2008

by Ignacio López Echeverría , Filed under: Abrams,Star Trek (2009 film) , trackback

After he visited London (report) and Germany (report), where Star Trek already has a good deal of support, JJ Abrams came to Madrid Spain, which is one of those countries where Paramount has work to do to build an audience for this new Star Trek. See below for a first hand report from Abrams presentation and how it is playing in the Spanish media (including a new image of Spock).

Spain is not a Trek country
Spain, for some reason, has never been fully aware of Star Trek. The Original Series was shown on TV in the sixties or seventies and in the late eighties and we even had some seasons of TNG, but it went off the air in the third season (Sadly, as far as Spanish TV watchers know, TNG ended with Picard turning into Locutus). Star Trek V was a direct to VHS movie, but we had all the rest of the movies on cinemas and on time.  Things have changed somehow in the recent years, we have even been able to watch Enterprise (on cable, but it came out much later than the rest of the world). And just finally, this year, a Tv channel called Veo TV has shown DS9 for us fully dubbed in Spanish. The good news is almost all seasons of Trek are available dubbed into Spanish on DVD and you do find Trekkies in almost every place, but in general people acts as if one should be “ashamed” of being a scifi fan.

The Spanish general public doesn’t really know what Trek is about, nor doesn’t really care. They have watched the movie “of the whales” or they remember “The dude with the ears”, but most people thinks that Star trek is some obscure TV series which makes people go to the street in their pajamas. Paramount has no blame on it, simply, Spain has never been a scifi country.

Abrams begins to change some minds
But this week there seemed to be lots of people interested in watching the 20 minutes preview at Cinecité in Madrid with JJ Abrams. JJ came to see our journalists (and not us the fans) to explain them what Star Trek is, to show them that it is funny, cool, modern, thrilling, original and powerful. I don’t really know how many of them where there because their newspaper told them to, but the reaction to JJ and the scenes in the room seemed to be genuine. The audience laughed (at the comic moments) and held their breath at the moments of peril, and the applause was significant.

The general Spanish audience isn’t yet really aware of the existence of this movie, but JJ Abrams appearance has got buzz started. For the first time ever in my memory, Spanish newspapers seem to be covering Star Trek and covering it accurately and in a positive light (in the pas they would often get names wrong or confuse it with Star Wars). Diario El País reported gives it a positive review of the plot, and explains what JJ explained on the presentation. Diario El Mundo notes how Abrams is making the film for ‘future Star Trek fans’ and compares this new Trek to recent Batman, Bond and Superman movies, quotes Abrams saying the film is "a great epic in which the emotions are the most impressive thing." Diario ADN says that Trekkies will love the film and noted that the effects were especially impressive saying the new movie is "Star Trek with Star Wars flavor." Cineando gets even more specific saying:

We can see that choosing JJ was a spot-on move, because with his personal style he has taken a dying franchise in a new course. If this new course matches the spirit of the saga created by Roddenberry is yet to be seen.

And as a special treat for the Spanish, Paramount released a new image of Zachary Quinto as Spock from the movie


(click to enlarge)

Spanish fans are ready
As for us fans, we are very excited with this movie for several reasons. Evidently we are hungry of new good Star Trek, but also, we hope it will bring more people into the fandom. This year, representatives of most of the local fanclubs in the country have been busy building the first national Spanish club, which will open its doors very soon.

Here are some helpful Spanish Star Trek links:

 

JJ Abrams signs autographs in Spain
(courtesy of Yo No Me Aburro Blog)

Ignacio López Echeverría (Cheve) is president of the new Club Star Trek de España and writes the comic strip for the Nexus Digitrek fanzine (which can be downloaded for free and is written by the people of the fanclub from Madrid). He is involved as a writer in the animated fanfilm series Star Trek Cronos. Outside of Trek, he is about to publish his first book, a generic roleplaying system based on D20. Visit his site, La Fricoteca.

Comments

1. MCDoctor - November 14, 2008

Do we need to read spanish to read the articles?

First?

2. Captain Slow - November 14, 2008

interesting

3. Fred - November 14, 2008

Wow, love that picture!!!

4. MCDoctor - November 14, 2008

Also,

I wonder how ST does in other spanish-speaking markets.

While spansih is spoken in Sapin and Mexico – they are two very different cultures?

Anyone have an idea?

5. The Gorn Identity - November 14, 2008

I’ll say it again: Quinto looks amazing as Spock.

6. ~~TARA~~ - November 14, 2008

Let’s hope more fans join up in Spain. My mother was born in Spain but I have never been. I hope they become Trek country too.

7. DesiluTrek - November 14, 2008

Nice pic, better likeness than those publicity pics … but have they dismissed the green-blood-tinged yellowish skin?

8. Mack Patron - November 14, 2008

God, could that guy look any more like a young Nimoy?

9. David (Flaming Wings Forever) - November 14, 2008

ahhhhhh!!!! Can’t wait! PLEASE NO MORE SPOILERS!

A Personal Observation:
This is all part of a well-orchestrated pre-launch, an insidiously effective slow build and reveal. Step by step, little hint by hint, they will draw in a new audience and a new generation of Trek fans.

At first, I didn’t like the idea of the movie without Shatner. After seeing Chris Pine finally talk, I can accept the new crew. I was sold on Quinto and Urban, but Pine was the clincher.

At first glance, the new Enterprise (or retro Enterprise?) had me really worried. I knew the image used was unflattering. So I slept on it, why would they put out an image in an unflattering light? It got us talking. And best of all, comparing it to the past. Take a look at the original pencils sketches done for the original series.

Now this afternoon I go off to see QOS.

*back to giggling like a schoolgirl*

10. sean - November 14, 2008

“Star Trek V was a direct to VHS movie…”

As it should have been everywhere else! :)

11. Bennie - November 14, 2008

Great Picture.

12. CK - November 14, 2008

I´ll listend to the Children Of Dune -
Brian Tyler Soundtrack and found something very Interesting.

The last music clip “End Title” was just used in the
Indiana Jones IV Trailer !!!!

13. Odkin - November 14, 2008

Spock needs a shave.

But it looks pretty good though.

14. Cheve - November 14, 2008

4. MCDoctor – November 14, 2008

I wonder how ST does in other spanish-speaking markets.

While spansih is spoken in Sapin and Mexico – they are two very different cultures?
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Well, for starters, in Spain we have many of the DVDs (TNG season 7 and all of DS9 and VOY) with southamerican spanish voices, so, I suppose there should be many more trekkies there than here in Spain. I mean, they have had all the series on TV, and we haven’t.

We have the same diferences that exist, for instance, between Britain, USA and Australia.

15. I've made a Spocktacle of myself - November 14, 2008

best likeness yet…

16. RM10019 - November 14, 2008

the pictures of the cast inspire me more than the Enterprise herself. That could be a good thing.

17. Schultz - November 14, 2008

Yes. The publicity photos were cr*p. This one is really good. He seems to have his own style as Spock. I like that. I’m really looking forward to next year!

18. Jean - November 14, 2008

Abrams also went to France yesterday morning. Could you please do a report on that Anthony ?

19. THX-1138 - November 14, 2008

#12

OMG! There’s going to be an Indiana Jones IV?!! OMG!!

I can’t tell from the pic of Quinto above if he has his sideburns properly glued down.

20. Javier - Spanish living in UK - November 14, 2008

Let me tell you people, as a spanish trekkie, how was life for me back home…

1.-If there is a new film release, and as a fan of a particular franchise you decide to show up dressed up as an elf, a mage or a stormtrooper, it is usually considered as cool. If you show up wearing a Starfleet uniform you´re very likely to hear laughs and boos around you. ( that is if you´re uniform makes it to the film in one piece…lol)

2.-If, when you were back at school you decided to decorate your files with pictures of pod racers, anti-chist stuff and similar rubish you would be considered to be someone who doesnt follow the crowd. If ínstead, you decided to scan the middle pages in Mr Scott´s Guide to the Enterprise (the blueprints!) and decorate your school stuff with it, you´re likely to be drown at the swimming class…. :oP.

I do not know why but there is some sort of trek-phobia in my home country. Even people who enjoy sci fi in the form of franchises such as Galactica, Farscape or Stargate will always identify Star Trek as the worst one ever created.

Paramount DOES have a big challenge ahead regarding J.J´s new film (can´t wait to see it!). ST V, as the article says, went straight to VHS. ST VI lasted 1 week in my home town (Seville, one of the biggest towns in the country) and it was only shown in 1 cinema. Generations had a bit more luck. Lasted a couple of weeks!!!

I really hope things change with this film. Heroes is very appreciated back home. Quinto should make a good bait :o)

21. Tomo - November 14, 2008

Awesome – Spock looks a little less plastic s’all good

22. Kirk here - November 14, 2008

#16. I thought the same thing.

23. Kirk here - November 14, 2008

#13. I thought the same thing.

24. Warp - November 14, 2008

Croatia is Star Trek conutry, JJ come to us! Our televisons (especially HRT) constantly run Star Trek, we have official Star Trek society (USS Croatia), we have the biggest Star Trek portals in the Southeaster Europe (Star Trek Center and UFP Croatia). Croat like Star Trek! :) (and our neighbours from Montenegro, Bosnia, Serbia, etc.) :)

25. Kirk here - November 14, 2008

Oops. (see above).

26. Anthony Pascale - November 14, 2008

re: France
I have the first draft of a report from france but i asked for some changes, look for that tomorrow. Also working on one from Rome.

I hope we can cover each leg, we have first hand reports from UK, Germany and France so far. I will be reporting on the event in LA, which is next week (probably)

I am appreciating the help we are getting from our ‘foreign correspondents’

27. Warp - November 14, 2008

Merde, I now see that I made som misspeling in the previous post. That is from excitement, and sadness beacuse JJ, BOB and the rest od the gang won’t visit our parts.

Until recently I have reservations toward ST XI, but I’m now truly excited (after footage, photos, etc)

28. Capt Mike From the Terran Empire - November 14, 2008

Well. That Pic of Quinto as Spock is great. He looks Like a young Nimoy. Pretty kool. Well Spain it is time for you to Be assimalated into Star Trek and Restence is Futile. COMPLY!!!!!!

29. fred - November 14, 2008

I feel as if we’re watching a map of the world with a big red animated arrow arching from country to country like in the Indy films, as JJ travels around the globe spreading the good news that ST lives!

We’re with you in spirit, JJ!

30. TL - November 14, 2008

JJ should do more for true fans of the show that try to sell his spin on Star Trek in Spain. Of course more Trek fans in North America are pissed at him for what he is reinterperting and now he has to trek off to the other side of the world and find new people to sell his movie to.

31. TrekMadeMeWonder - November 14, 2008

Looks good!

32. LostonNCC1701 - November 14, 2008

At first glance, it honestly did not register that that was Quinto. He is that close.

I like this “New Fans” approach. Fine, so the canon will be messed up a bit, maybe even blown to kingdom come… but if it gets the next generation (no pun intended) interested in Trek, it can only end well. Best case scenario is that a Kid goes to see Star Trek for the sweet special effects, gets hooked, decides to check out some TOS (remastered would likely be better for the newbies)… and then… well, who knows?

The best case scenario, of course, is that maybe one day “Star Trek” will be like “2001″… where people can compare what was happening the fictional year with what was happening in the real 2001! I mean, can you imagine that, some colonists on Mars going “Yeah, we don’t have Warp. Probably never will. But at least we cured baldness!”

33. Devon - November 14, 2008

Thanks Ignacio!

Anthony – Do you know how many stops a U.S. Press tour may have? Or would it just be the L.A. one likely?

34. Craig - November 14, 2008

If Spock had green blood…
… wouldn’t his lips be green?

Always wondered about that.

35. Craig - November 14, 2008

Oh and hated the Pink Pepto-Bismol Kingon blood.
Pink and Kingons, no way!

36. Khan Singh - November 14, 2008

Amazing Spock Picture. Totally sold on the character. ahhh, I’m so sick of waiting for this film.

37. Andy Patterson - November 14, 2008

Wow! Lot of things happening these days. Exciting time to be a Trek fan.

38. AJ - November 14, 2008

Great report.

Get the word out!

39. Smike van Dyke - November 14, 2008

I don’t know much about Spain but if I had to come up with an educated guess why Star Trek is loathed there I’d say because it is a Catholic country. I guess Catholic territories are much more into high fantasy and medieval worlds and not so much into futuristic visions.

I take it fantasy movies are very successful in Spain, Italy and South America while SciFi movies are almost completely ignored there.

40. Warp - November 14, 2008

#40
I don’t think so. Croatia is Catholic country, just like Spain. Neverthelles, we have a lot of fans. :)

41. classictrek - November 14, 2008

Quinto is AWESOME as spock – the likeness is absolutely staggering. I just hope he has the voice to match. its terrific. im blown away.

Greg
UK

42. fanboy - November 14, 2008

I think Zac will be a wonderful Spock, and I can’t wait to see him in the new Movie. But, I honestly can’t believe that anyone mistakes him for Nimoy’s Spock. Maybe my facial recognition ability is different from others, but I just can’t believe it when people say they thought it was Nimoy and did a double-take. Just my two cents, but he only generally resembles Nimoy. And yes, he does need a closer shave, and those sideburn should be attached to his face, not dangling like mini peyos…

43. Ruthless Nate - November 14, 2008

#4

Yeah, Spain is very different from other Spanish-speaking countries. They’re all very different. Panama, for example. I’m an American myself, but I was born in Panama. It’s a Spanish speaking nation, but it’s also very multi-cultural because the Canal brought in people of many different nationalities. Similarly, the Spanish spoken in Mexico is actually a different dialect. There’s an actual linguistic difference between Spanish Spanish and Mexican Spanish.

44. Cheek to cheek - November 14, 2008

where’s the trailer link. Wasn’t there supposed to be coming out some more assembled footage today…?

45. David H - November 14, 2008

I can translate for anyone wanting to read the Spanish articles.

46. captain shroom - November 14, 2008

#9

It does seem Abrams, or more specifically Paramount, is engaged in some form of media blitz designed to make Trek more relevant to younger and/or previously indifferent audiences.

A worthy endeavor since many of us fans believe that Trek is at its core a human story. Sci-fi is the medium that helps communicate that anything is possible in the future. Technology may dazzle us, but it is virtue that ultimately guides us forward.

True, movies are made to make money, but they can also be a platform to inspire us, and in many ways that is what Trek does best.

47. NCC-73515 - November 14, 2008

mark, copy and paste should work on that link *shrugs*

48. LostonNCC1701 - November 14, 2008

By the way, I was always thinking that maybe Spock’s lips are red because maybe the blood is red on the inside but is Green when oxygenated. Just a guess.

49. The Underpants Monster - November 14, 2008

Hey, I was going to the street in my pajamas long before I was a Star Trek fan.

50. Gonzalo - November 14, 2008

HI!!
I’m from spain to, and I was on the preview with Ignacio. A report of that event would be very similar to the UK, Germany etc… that’s why Anthony asked for something diferent (great job, Ignacio :D).

What he had miss to say is that although there is not much trekkers on spain,we are very good organice. There are a lot of active local clubs (and now the brand new national one), and we have been doing annual conventions since ten years ago, with actors since five.

So, spain may not be a trek conutry, but we have a lot of people who really love the saga. I hope this new movie (that will be an absolute blockbuster) will open the eyes of more people and they get to now the show.

51. DavidJ - November 14, 2008

It’s funny, I have no problem whatsoever with the new Enterprise everybody’s complaining about… but those flat, painted-on eyebrows they gave Quinto’s Spock are just bugging the HELL out of me.

Here’s hoping the makeup artist didn’t do the same thing to Nimoy….

52. Phil Smith - November 14, 2008

“Star trek is some obscure tv series which makes people go to the street in their pijamas.”

That made me laugh out loud :D

53. HSIV - November 14, 2008

i agree with 51…the irony is as a half-vulcan, spock’s eyebrows shouldve been human…in the enterprise episode ‘e2′, lorian, who was also half-vulcan, half-human, had human eyebrows but vulcan ears…another irony is like jolene blalock befor him, zach quinto has natural eyebrows which are very similar to vulcan eyebrows

54. Cheve - November 14, 2008

Hola Gonzalo

:)

We are talking through USA! XDDD

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49. The Underpants Monster – November 14, 2008
Hey, I was going to the street in my pajamas long before I was a Star Trek fan.
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It may be something in the blood. XDDD

43. Ruthless Nate – November 14, 2008
There’s an actual linguistic difference between Spanish Spanish and Mexican Spanish.
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So, imagine how hard it is to watch VOY and DS9 in DVD with southamerican voices. Imagine if absolutely every character from StarTrek was speaking some Scottish rural English full of local slang.

Well, it isn’t that hard actually. They are easily understandable, but it is a diferent branch on the languaje and it makes the DVDs quite strange sometimes.

55. BlueArrow - November 14, 2008

I HAVE SEEN THE TRAILER!

I’ve got a good friend at a theater who let me watch it as we adjusted the projector for tonight’s Bond showing. It is really going to ROCK! I’m very excited about the movie and just seeing what was in the minute and a half was enough to make the fandom glad it’s Abrams and his team behind the project.

The Enterprise picture released this week doesn’t do the ship justice! It’s much better on the big screen plus the bridge looks great as well as the other sets shown. I agree 100% that the space shots look REAL.

I really think this movie will be the jolt Star Trek needs to get back in action. Please fans… GIVE THIS MOVIE A CHANCE!

Live Long and Prosper!

Oh yeah… Bond film looked good and worth staying for when the show opens this evening.

56. Daoud - November 14, 2008

#48 Good way to look at it. I always thought that what we’re seeing as reddish is really copper-colored-ish. After all, it’s the copper-based hemoglobin that turns Vulcan blood green…

Fascinating to hear the anecdotes of European Spanish fans. I always wondered if they’d shown the Latin American dubs of Trek. Must be interesting hearing Warp ‘s’inco when you’re expecting Warp ‘th’inco!

57. BK613 - November 14, 2008

say what you will about other stuff but you can’t fault JJ for his salesmanship…

58. thorsten - November 14, 2008

Hola Ignacio, good job!

59. Cheve - November 14, 2008

56. Daoud – November 14, 2008
Fascinating to hear the anecdotes of European Spanish fans. I always wondered if they’d shown the Latin American dubs of Trek. Must be interesting hearing Warp ’s’inco when you’re expecting Warp ‘th’inco!
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Its worse. In an episode of Ds9 in the DVDs (Not in tv. In tv the voice is Spanish from Spain) they misunderstood the original english line and translated that the crew was firing a “Torpedo de cuatro toneladas” intead of a “Torpedo de fotón” which is a “Four Ton Torpedo” instead of a “Photon torpedo”

They also claimed they where going through the “Warm hole” in another episode.

60. Anthony Pascale - November 14, 2008

Yes good job Ignacio. It is great having you and Thorsten and others keeping us up to speed on the happenings in the EU

61. Cheve - November 14, 2008

Thank YOU for giving us the chance to tell the world about us and our new fanclub!

(And for all the news you give us!, what would have been of us with this movie without a site like yours?!)

62. Gonzalo - November 14, 2008

#56 It’s not only the sound of some things… (exactly as you say ;D) Is the expressions they use…
In spain we are not used to this kind of voices and expresions, here all the american shows that we see on TV (just all) have a spain dubbin (in fact there is law about it) so heard the latin one let star trek out of the big audiences…

To say something positive, I never get used to the latin voices, so I have seen a lot of Star Trek in english with subtitles… (like many people) so I can see better the actor’s performance and my english level is a little bit better :P

Hi through USA Ignacio!! :P

63. THX-1138 - November 14, 2008

#55

Planty McPlant.

jk

64. Yonomeaburro - November 14, 2008

Un honor que useis la foto de JJ!

65. Scott Gammans - November 14, 2008

GAGGGH. It’s going to be like Chinese water torture for the next six months, ain’t it? Drip drip drip come the pictures and little tidbits. Drip drip drip…

66. ThePhaige - November 14, 2008

Without getting into too much,” will it be Trek or not Trek”. I think the marketing is going in a brilliant direction. I mean globally Star Trek is certainly known about and fan centric in many zones, however in areas where this is not so much revered and most likely enough time has passed
where a large degree of disconnect has set in, this movie will be seeking fresh blood. A new army of fans that don’t know they are going to be fans until after it happens. Just smart business on JJ and Paramount’s part. Areas that have probably tested well with movies like Iron Man,Transformers,or Star Wars and TV shows like Alias, Lost, BattlestarG, Heroes etc. Starting this now and showing bits of the film to entice folks into thinking “wow this is freakin cool” will generate great returns if done right.

I can site my personal experience here in my day to day contacts. Folks I engage about Treks new movie generally haven’t heard a new one is in the works. The first thing they act is surprised with responses like “OMG another one?” and the like. Then I go on to say, “oh no this is different
they are going back to the original shows characters in there younger days and they are being portayed by new young actors. Then they purk up a little, and generally say “Oh yeah?” Like as to gesture “tell me more” which I indulge by saying ” Yeah you ever watch Lost, Alias, MI3 or Transformers? Again usually stating they love one or the other and I continue by saying yeah the guy that spearheads all that is directing too….ya know that JJ Abrams guy? Then they make a connection and without fail even the folks who are not fans are saying “Damn dude now that could be a good flick, keep me posted”.

I already have like 25 ready to be new fans lined up….and we have made a date we are all going together to see this. Like a company picnic :)

Ill keep ya posted……

67. classictrek - November 14, 2008

#66 thephaige

I too am going with a big group of people some of whom have never seen a star trek movie. Ive told everyone in my workplace and they are all up for it.

I have kept them up to date with whats happening and i think with my excitment and enthusiasm its been a bit infectious!

Im first seeing it with my family though. that will ba about 8 of us in all. we were going to view it in my home town in Wales UK in the VERY cinema that we went to see Star Trek TMP in 1979 (30 years ago) but sadly this year its being demolished. that would have been brilliant. never mind we’ll go to the multiplex instead.

cant wait

Greg UK

68. Lousy_Canadian - November 14, 2008

Anyone else notice Spock looking quite handsome lately? ;)

69. OM - November 14, 2008

…I didn’t know there was a country called “Spanish”.

70. Enterprise - November 14, 2008

Pine and Quinto looked great in the trailer. There’s a classic shot of them standing by Spock’s station.

71. Kaiser The Great - November 14, 2008

Cool photo, though I agree with some that the eyebrows are funky somehow. The one closest to the camera seems painted on to me, rather than actual hair. Speaking of…anyone know of Quinto can do the one-eyebrow-raise? Curious.

72. Fansince9 - November 14, 2008

Are we sure this guy isn’t related to Nimoy somehow? It’s creepy yet delightful to see Quinto in costume–like looking back in time with a more modern picture resolution.

73. classictrek - November 14, 2008

70# enterprise
WOW – that sounds just fantastic. its iconic shots like that which makes my mouth water. do we get to hear new spock speak? Iim interested in how he sounds!
Greg UK

74. I am not Herbert - November 14, 2008

Best Spock picture yet! Excellent!!!

75. NCC-73515 - November 14, 2008

Saw the trailer.
Reassured me :D

76. David (Flaming Wings Forever) - November 14, 2008

Just saw the trailer… I wanted to see it again! Can’t wait for Monday.

77. Kerr Avon - November 14, 2008

Re 26. Anthony Pascale.

I am really looking forward to the French report. I am interested to know how popular the show is in that nation. France do have a strong science fiction heritage, with Verne of course and also the writings of Gerard Klein but it is rare to hear of French science fiction films or television programs.

Does Star Trek’s philosophical bent appeal in the nation that has produced so many of the world’s great thinkers?

What do they think of the weird French/English hybrid character of Captain Picard?

Au revoir!

78. Kerr Avon - November 14, 2008

Is this official?

startrektrailer.com/images/star_trek_poster.jpg

79. Enterprise - November 14, 2008

Spock didn’t speak at all in the trailer. Just that shot where he lunges at Kirk. Scotty and Kirk and Bones get lines in the trailer. And Nero.

80. NCC-73515 - November 14, 2008

SPOILERS

the new transporter effect is swirling sparks.
klingons have movie foreheads.
corridors are white and curved.
there is a giant red arthropod monster.
one scene is mirror-inverted :D

81. Enterprise - November 14, 2008

And we see a shot of warp drive from the viewsceeen, and then in space, the ENT drops out of warp.

82. classictrek - November 14, 2008

thanks enterprise. sounds awesome.
Greg
UK

83. NCC-73515 - November 14, 2008

but the nacelle pylons are curved inwards :S

84. Kerr Avon - November 14, 2008

re: 78. Replying to my own message.

According to a chap on the other thread, it is Koemer’s art work instead.

85. TK - November 14, 2008

i really like that photo of Spock!

86. Robert H. - November 14, 2008

Sounds like so far so good with Trek.

87. The Seeker - November 14, 2008

12 o’clock shadow?

Nice photo, all the same.

88. Victor Hugo - November 14, 2008

In Argentina, Star Trek is well known, altogether with Batman, Bewitched and Get Smart, it was reprised for decades.

In Brazil it got even more audience, when it was reprised along with Galactica and Lost in Space. The slogan was “The best science fiction series of all time”, who are we, brazilians, to differ the narrator?

89. Cheve - November 15, 2008

Yonomeaburro says it’s a honor for him/her that you are using the picture of Abrams from his/her site.

I forgot to say that Gonzalo is the Editor in chief of Nexus Magazine (and he makes a good job there, download an issue even if it is in Spanish and you’ll see what a beautifull magazine we have), He also edited the spanish edition of the oficial magazine for New Voyages/Phase II

90. Finny - November 15, 2008

As I recall,most of the Dubbing for spanish done by Paramount/CBS-P for Spanish language distribution is called Latin American Spanish (LAS).

Which would mean it has an “Americana” flavor to it rather than a European flavor – the difference between American English andf British English.

Not sure if the current LAS dubs on The Original series are the ones done by Desilu/Paramount in the late 1960′s-Early 1970′s or later ones. (Although I susspect the new VFX versions of TOS have been remixed)

Currently all 5 series are available with LAS dubs.

91. Cheve - November 15, 2008

Is Spain we have european Spanish for TOS and the 6 first seasons of TNG on DVD only (Veo TV has recorded the european spanish audio of Ds9 much after the DVDs where made). All the movies also have european Spanish.

There is a VHS tape that was sold as a movie many years ago with european spanish audio of the pilot for Voyager.

TAS has the 60′s LAS audio from Desilu

92. ARGTREK - November 15, 2008

Hey, in argentina we had seen in universal channel at the same time ( saturday afternoon) voyager, Ds9 and enterprise… happy times indeed. now all we got is reruns of the first two seasons of TNG ( if i ever see the outrageous okona one more time i’ll throw a brick to the tv) The dubbing is made in what they call “neutral spanish” and , in fact they did a prety good job, even with the technobabble, and i never heard of a “four ton thorpedo”. The series are really hard to get ,and very expensive ( ie, TOS-R u$s 150). There are some spanish movies that we get to the point of needing the subtitles. and the spanish dubbing is no better( stupid = estupido not “gilipollas” ) anyway, greetings to our motherland , you know we love you.

93. Holger - November 15, 2008

When people in Spain who never liked Star Trek now find JJ’s version very appealing because it has a Star Wars flair, then I don’t find that very reassuring! This is further evidence that we won’t get Trek but something else.

94. Jean - November 15, 2008

Re 77: I live in France and Star Trek is very unpopular here. I am almost ashamed to say that I am a fan… The original show was for the first and the (only?) time in the 80s, so that didn’t help at all. As of TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT, we could only see them on cable, so basically, no one knows about it.

So there really is a lot to be done here…

95. Gonzalo - November 15, 2008

#92 The point is not if the latin or castilian (that’s the official name of european spanish dubbin) is better.
The thing is you are used to heard the american shows in that way and we are in the other way… so change it makes it unappeal for the audience…

And yes… in castilian spanish is more “hard talk” than the latin version… that seems a little “candy” to us when we hear it….

96. Sonia from Grenoble - November 15, 2008

#77:
I don’t why, but Star Trek is not popular in France.
When I read this excellent report about the preview in Spain, I found that the situation regarding ST in Spain was very similar to the one we have in France.
TOS was shown on a free channel during end-80 & early 90s? But following series didn’t have the same chance. Nowadays, people can see ST on some crypted channels (Hmm, I mean they have to pay for it…).
So, not everybody have access to ST through TV.

Regarding your question about what we think from Picard and his french inheritage, I would say that unfortunalety, most people don’t even know he exists…

I hope that JJ’s movie will make ST more popular in France.
From what I read in a report about the preview (written in French), it seems possible! :-)

97. James - November 15, 2008

I`m from spain and i think i`m the only trekkie here. No one returns my emails here in spain. I`m a one trekkie fan club all on my own. thanks for reading. james

98. Gonzalo - November 15, 2008

#97 James… you are not alone… as I said before there are many clubs here…
Metete en la web del club nacional: http://www.clubstartrek.es , que tiene un foro o dime de donde eres y trato de ponerte en contacto con más gente, que conocemos trekkies de practicamente toda España…

#96 You know… when we buy the DVDs of DS9 or Voyager (that are the same edition in france, germany, italy, spain…) we feel really jerlous because all have their national dubbin in french, italian, etc… but the spanish one is the latin… not our own…
Maybe in pay channels… but at least you have that… we can’t heard it on castilian spanish even paying the 100 euros/season on the original plastic versión (50 now on the cheap one)…

99. Sonia from Grenoble - November 15, 2008

#98
I see… It looks like the french case is not so bad, after all… ;-)

By the way, I discovered only recently that TOS had been dubbed by french canadians. I was very surprised because they had absolutely no accent!
Anyway since I have the DVDs, I only watch the original version.
A good way to progress in english… ;-)

100. EnsignJulka - November 15, 2008

I love the new image of Spock!!

101. Kerr Avon - November 15, 2008

Sonia, thanks for your answers. I found your replies really interesting. I have French ancestors and hope to visit your country one day (I am Australian).

Cheers.

102. CCT - November 15, 2008

No one talks about the lack of support for Star Trek from Paramount Spain?

C’Mon! You only had to visit the official video and DVD site for Star Trek in Spain to realize that (http://www.startrek.es) Yes! There still says that “Star Trek XI announced for 2008″.

The DVD distribution is ridiculous! We are yet waiting for the fourth seasson of Enterprise. And the Star Trek product manager of Paramount Spain says that there is no fourth seasson of Enterprise! ALTOUGH IT HAS BEEN BROADCASTED BY SCI FI CHANNEL!

The price is another point. For instance, the SAME pack of Star Trek TNG costs 54.95 Euros in Spain, 39.95 Euros in Germany, and 40 Euros in UK.

And the translation is really awful. There are many examples. One of the most recent was with the silicon-based virus of the Enterprise episode “Observer Effect” (4×11). In Spain the episode was about a “silicone-based virus”. The silicon-silicone mistake seems to be usual in spanish sci-fi translations. At least with the Star Trek ones.

And this is not the only translation failure. Warp factor is refered as “factor”, “hyperspace”, “curvature”, “deformation”, and so on; The USS Enterprise was called “the northamerican ship Enterprise” in Star Trek IV; In Star Trek IX: Insurrection some dubbers used “metaphysic radiation” instead of “metaphasic radiation”; In the TNG episode “The Outrageous Okona” (TNG 2×04), when Guinan is arguing with Data about his lack of sense of humor, “‘doid” is translated has “Nigroid”. And these are only a little sample.

Will Paramount Spain put the same (lack of) effort in the promotion of this new movie?

103. rangerone314 - November 16, 2008

Human blood is both blue & red, depending on oxygen content (artery vs vein) etc

Vulcan blood probably just is green when it hits the air…

104. Cheve - November 17, 2008

And Klingon Blood, is probably only purple if exposed to 0 G.

XDDDDD

105. Elaan - November 17, 2008

As someone who remembers the young Nimoy, I’m puzzled – I really don’t think this guy is all that like him!

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