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Star Trek Trailer Gets Notice Of Mainstream Media November 18, 2008

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Star Trek (2009 film) , trackback

The official online release of the Star Trek trailer yesterday was huge news here and amongst the geekosphere, but did you know that the norms are talking about it too? Perhaps the months of secrecy thing worked because newspapers big and small, and even the Drudge Report, can’t get enough Trek.

 

The norms take notice
Of course sites like TrekMovie, io9, AintItCool and the rest of the genre press are talking about the Trek Trailer. We are geeks and it is Star Trek. The trailer is also big news in the general Entertainment press, like at EW, MTV and E! which asks the question "Is Star Trek out of this world?"

But it appears that this new movie is now starting to build that all important mainstream media buzz (beyond the supposed ‘Shatner Abrams’ feud). Here are just a few examples of  the coverage.

In their report on the NY Abrams event and the Trek trailer, the New York Times, noted the challenge ahead:

[on Abrams ‘not a fan’ comments] The unspoken but understood message: if Mr. Abrams’s “Star Trek” is going to justify its estimated $150 million budget, it had better reach beyond the die-hard fans of Vulcans, Tribbles and dilithium crystals.

….

Will the new “Star Trek” erase our bitter memories of the last five sequels? (Not including “First Contact,” which I now concede was a pretty good entry in the series.–D.I.) With a crowded summer 2009 season approaching, and movie studios nervously watching their wallets, you can expect many more updates between now and May 8.

The trailer (or at least part of it) got the notice of the Metro.co.uk, noting:

The fast-moving trailer is packed with action and racy sex scenes with Kirk and Spock fighting and Uhura stripping off to show her bra.

The Times (UK) notes:

There’s certainly enough action and excitement in the new trailer to tempt those who enjoyed Abrams’s TV spy saga Alias and his cinematic take on another venerable 1960s TV series Mission Impossible. Whether he has remained faithful enough to the Roddenberry blueprint to please the countless fans of the original franchise will only be known in May next year.

Canada’s National Post has ‘Five Things We learned from the Star Trek Trailer’, including:

Captain James T. Kirk is badass because he grew up in Mad Max land, fighting for gas and outrunning the leather-clad arm of the law. Later on, he grows up to wear black and knit his brows a lot (seriously, since when was Kirk a brooding beatnik type?).

And even small town papers take notice, with the StJoNews (of St. Joseph, MO) pointing readers to the trailer saying:

NERD ALERT! NERD ALERT! NERD ALERT!

They’ve released a new trailer for the new Star Trek movie that is coming out next year.

Enjoy it in all its beauty

And it looks like there are Trekkies to be found everywhere. The reporter for the Indianapolis Star noted:

One very geeky positive is the background of the shot where Amanda (Winona Ryder) is holding baby Spock while stroking the face of her Vulcan husband Sarek. Freeze-frame it and tell me those rock formations in the background aren’t the same ones Williams Shatner fought the Gorn in in the original series’ “Arena.”

 

Star Trek’s ‘sexy makeover’ gets Drudged
But the report that seems to be getting a lot of notice comes from the UK’s Daily Mail, which has an article titled ‘Star Trek gets a sexy makeover in new film with love scenes, motorbikes and hunky stars‘ The article has a few inaccuracies, but the sexy scenes and the young cast is getting their attention. So much so that the story was featured today on the very popular (and very sensationalistic) Drudge Report.

Young Spock goes Wild?

And so it begins
TrekMovie has noted before that there is much work to be done for the new Star Trek film to break into the mainstream media and get taken seriously, especially in key global markets. Although we have all been talking about this film for two years, for many it is just now coming onto their radar. It appears that the in the last week, Paramount have taken a big step forward in building that buzz for this movie, which will be key to compete in a Summer Full of big movies in 2009.
 

More trailer coverage coming
TrekMovie is not done yet. We have a ‘secrets of the Trek trailer’ article coming up soon  that you will not want to miss, and more to come after that! Stay tuned. 

Comments

1. DaiMonRon - November 18, 2008

Did anyone notice the new movie trailer played during Terminator last night?

2. Spockanella - November 18, 2008

Not that it’s news to anyone here, but we’ve GOT to get the “norms” enthused. Even hardcore fans can’t go to see the movie enough times to make it a success without them!

3. Closettrekker - November 18, 2008

I have no doubt that the mainstream campaign is well thought-out.

I hope it is as well received.

4. Ethan - November 18, 2008

Yep it was on Sarah, and looked very good on my hdtv too!!!

5. SHATNER'S HAIRPIECE - November 18, 2008

KOOL THIS MOVIE IS GONNA BE GREAT !

6. spiked canon - November 18, 2008

pleasantly suprised

7. McCoy - November 18, 2008

I think we should also just send cash to JJ and gang just to make sure they are happy in life, I mean, ya know, let’s do what we can to make this movie a success before we even know if we like it.

8. Scott Gammans - November 18, 2008

DaiMonRon, I think that was the one-minute “TV version” of the trailer that leaves out several sequences only seen in the full trailer (including the entire young Kirk in Corvette sequence, McCoy archly commenting about how “space is disease and danger wrapped in darkness and silence”… a lamentable edit, IMNSHO).

And Spockanella speaks truth. If there is going to be a Star Trek XII, then Start Trek XI had better pull in the “norms” as well as the geeks like us.

9. Flake - November 18, 2008

Is it normal for movies to advertise on television this early on? I’m certain its not normal here in the UK?

10. Kayla Iacovino - November 18, 2008

The trailer looks amazing. I’m glad it is reaching out to fans and non-fans alike.

11. SHATNER'S HAIRPIECE - November 18, 2008

UHURA IS HOT, HUMMINA, HUMMINA, HUMMINA.

12. Steve - November 18, 2008

This is a BIG deal. There wasn’t anywhere near this amount of mainstream buzz for any of the TNG films. Things are looking good so far.

13. RedShirtWalking - November 18, 2008

The story in the UK Daily Mail (the article linked off of Drudge Report) has errors in the photo captions, btw.

For example, it says that Winona Rider is with the “elder Spock,” when she’s actually with English actor Ben Cross as Sarek.

It also says that Uhura is in bed with Kirk in one photo, and that doesn’t appear to be the case.

14. SHATNER'S HAIRPIECE - November 18, 2008

I MISS RICK BERMAN. NOT !!!!!!!

15. mark - November 18, 2008

drudge and mainstream hardly belong in same sentence

16. spiked canon - November 18, 2008

I think the TV ads tell us that the rumors that paramont thinks this will be a hit are valid. The farther out from opening weekend that you put on TV the better the odds for a blockbuster.

17. excited for the film - November 18, 2008

The movie falls on my birthday so I’ve told everyone I know that’s what what I want to do. So far all of my non-star trek friends have agreed that they would at least give it a shot and watch.

I’m excited. But I agree with #2, ST fans have to get their mainstream friends off their rears and into the movie theater’s on May 8th.

18. doubleofive - November 18, 2008

I’ve been encouraging my non-Trekkie friends to give this film an open mind, and for the most part they seem eager to see what this will bring. Which is what Paramount wanted in the first place.

19. excited for the film - November 18, 2008

On second thought maybe it doesn’t have to happen exactly on the 8th. That’s just what I’m doing since I have an excuse to get people to go. But, you get my drift.

20. Fred - November 18, 2008

I’d love to have seen the original Uhura doing that, she was much hotter.

21. jeffreyNdallas - November 18, 2008

Leave it to the Drudge report to get it wrong…lol…well I guess some press is better than no press but the comments I saw based on the Drudge report were very negative about us Yanks and our obsession with sex.

22. Jordan - November 18, 2008

@ 1:

I was pleasantly surprised to see the “TV Spot” during Terminator last night. Couldn’t believe how early of a start they’re getting with the promotion.

23. Smike van Dyke - November 18, 2008

#18: I’ve been encouraging my non-Trekkie friends to give this film an open mind, and for the most part they seem eager to see what this will bring. Which is what Paramount wanted in the first place.

Cool, you’ve got non-Trekkie friends :)) I haven’t got any…about what should I even talk to them? LOL

24. Jordan - November 18, 2008

Can we assume that Matt Drudge is a Trekkie?

25. HMS Enterprise - November 18, 2008

Typical of the Daily Mail…they can never quite get their facts right!

26. Q Macedonia - November 18, 2008

I’ve got one question.

Has ever happened this before?

I’m not that old to remember what it was like for the past movies, besides TNG movies and down here we hadn’t had much info about those.

How was it before? Did they get this much publicity or am I spending too much time here at TrekMovie and think that the whole world revolves around JJ’s movie?

27. Spockanella - November 18, 2008

26: You mean the whole world DOESN’T revolve around JJ’s movie? :)

28. KevinA Melbourne Australia - November 18, 2008

I just got the HD 1080p version downloaded and what a peace of art it is. Just viewed it at full res. on my 4 meter Cinema screen … normal speed, Slow -mo and Frame-by-Frame of course!

The scene of the Enterprise being built with Kirk looking on sends a tingle up my spine. We’re actually watching CASINO ROYALE on Blu-Ray tonight prior to QUANTUM OF SOLACE tomorrow. I intend to show the trailer before the movie. I can’t wait to see my non-Star Trek friends reaction.

I gotta say I feel like a big kid again I’m so excited about this new movie!

29. 750 Mang - November 18, 2008

I wouldn’t call the Drudge Report “mainstream”.

We’re just lucky Drudge’s headline didn’t read “Jim the Captain endorses John McCain for President”.

30. Antonio - November 18, 2008

here it is! In italian

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5tPQ7oMGBw

31. fansince9 - November 18, 2008

Wow, Drudge is even talking about it? Cool, the more exposure Trek gets, the better!

32. tk421 - November 18, 2008

I just hope that any lines like “Shields are down to twenty percent” are cut, or I swear I’ll blow my brains out.

33. Andy Patterson - November 18, 2008

Maybe I’m part Canadian because I like what their paper had to say about it.

I’d still like to know what dent in the Bond boxoffice Trek fans helped make.

34. AdamTrek - November 18, 2008

#29

I would call it mainstream. MILLIONS use it everyday regardless of political leanings to get their current events fix. Drudge has created a “gateway” site that links to relevant articles from the mainstream media mostly about politics, religion, etc., and yes, even the arts. Drudge just did Star Trek a “favor”. A lot more people know about it now just from that one link. For me, it’s a one stop shop, and sure as heck makes my news searches a lot easier.

Star Trek is for all who enjoy it’s creators’ vision of the future and it’s characters. Not just for people that may feel the same way politically as you do.

35. AdamTrek - November 18, 2008

#32 tk421

But that’s canon! Would it kill you to hear it once? :)

36. HMS Enterprise - November 18, 2008

#32

Why would you want to go and do a thing like that?

37. Mark - November 18, 2008

What? There’s a new movie? Who are all these new actors? Why does everything look different? Are they changing things?!

38. Hat Rick - November 18, 2008

I would like to see both Kirks (Shatner’s and Pine’s) featured on the cover of Time magazine at some point, just as Kirk and Picard were during the 1980’s. Now THAT would be mainstream.

39. rm10019 - November 18, 2008

#26 – a few of the TOS movies got a lot of attention in the mainstream media. Entertaimnent tonight, Good Morning America have both done complete shows about Trek over the years. This will be a nice return to those times, Star Trek IV marked the height of this mainstream acceptance.

40. John from Cincinnati - November 18, 2008

Yes I saw the the new trailer during The Sarah Connor Chronicles last night. Primetime!

41. harris250 - November 18, 2008

If Drudge is in….I’m out

42. desertrat - November 18, 2008

Same here

43. steve - November 18, 2008

It does worry me a bit to be hyping (sp?) this thing so far out. But, I guess they know what they are doing (based in the history of their marketing pushes).

44. silencer - November 18, 2008

Here I always thought Uhura was on the ship because Kirk respected her talent and abilities.
Now I find out she was the Captains bootycall, Scotty didn’t actually design much of the enterprise (which no longer needs cargo bays for some reason), and that Spock is a violent lunatic… mind you who wouldn’t be with that homicidal white bridge and non-distinct corridors.
JJ Abrams has released a mass market ‘2008’ style film that will endure for months after the movie is released.
Too bad he did so at the expense of 40 years of fans.

45. hitch1969©, sexily madeover in tha UK. - November 18, 2008

the british comments called it “tired american rubbish”. and hey, they say that same exact thing about old h69!

it’s going to be a smash hit!

THE WOMEN!!

=h=

46. Ciarán - November 18, 2008

Anyone got any more screeshots from the trailer? I’d love one of the shot of Kirk in his gold uniform. I know it’s only shown for a fraction of a second, but it’d be great to have a shot of it!

Anyone who can do this, it’d be greatly appreciated!!!!!

47. RedShirtWalking - November 18, 2008

Drudge didn’t get it wrong. They merely provided the link to the Daily Mail story–THEY got it wrong.

48. TrekMadeMeWonder - November 18, 2008

HA HAAAA!

Can’t go more mainstream than that.

49. Hat Rick - November 18, 2008

I am at once thrilled by the thought of a new Trek movie and pensive at the idea that the old cast, with the exception of Nimoy, might, at some point, be forgotten. They shouldn’t be, and I want to tip my hat to William Shatner at this junction, since without his portrayal of Kirk — love it or hate it — Trek wouldn’t be what it was.

His idea of Kirk was one of a man of action that was at once decisive and sensitive. His Kirk was not a perfect man, but a seeker of what was right. His Kirk knew just what to do, but never stopped valuing his friends for their counsel and loyalty. And he was loyal to his friends in return.

Shatner portrayed Kirk exactly right from the first episode through six movies. His look of thoughtful determination in TMP during his first scene in the movie was perhaps a classic expression of the hero he portrayed.

For all this talk of Shatner’s disappointment with Abrams, it should be remembered that Abrams himself probably recognizes Shatner’s central role in lighting the flame that became Trek. Now is as good a time as any, as we look forward to the new version of Kirk, to remember what came before.

50. OR Coast Trekkie - November 18, 2008

Huzzah, huzzah!!

51. section9 - November 18, 2008

“Young Spock Goes Wild”

That line will go down in Star Trek History. You can take that to the bank.

The Drudge Report is the “New York Times” of Internet Reporting. Matt sets the tone for a lot of what the MSM does in regard to online (and regular) news cycles. His influence is huge.

Trust me. He did JJ Abrams a huge, huge favor. Paramount will return the favor by giving Matt first dibs on imagery.

52. thorsten - November 18, 2008

[46] Here you go…

http://thorstenwulff.com/Command.jpg

53. jeffreyNdallas - November 18, 2008

#47…ahh, my bad….you are indeed right on that…..but I still don’t like Drudge…. :-)

54. charliebob - November 18, 2008

I don’t know if someone else has mentioned this, but the reason the British newspaper has “inaccuracies” is because it’s the Daily Mail…They’re terrible. Seriously, they’d publish anything.
But it’s great Trek is being noticed. About bloody time!

55. Elise - November 18, 2008

52
Kirk in his gold shirt. :) Good to see him where he belongs.

56. Third Remata'Klan - November 18, 2008

#1

I recorded Terminator last night; didn’t have a chance to watch it yet.
But maybe I won’t skip through the commercials!

57. Dasinfogod - November 18, 2008

Where did this “norm” business get started? Heck, in my book, anybody who ain’t a Trek enthusiast has been and always be one thing…

A “Herbert”!

I reach, man.

58. Third Remata'Klan - November 18, 2008

This is the perfect timing for them to be targeting the general audience. We’ve still got sixth months to go. If the general public had been bombarded with STAR TREK STAR TREK STAR TREK for the past year, they’d be turned off by now.

And they’ve also done a good job of keeping the lid on things, so we Trekkies don’t spoil ourselves silly before the thing actually comes out.

Six months is a good amount of time for the excitement to build. I applaud Paramount’s marketing department, so far.

59. KIRKBRAZIL - November 18, 2008

Hmmm.. i´m a little bit afraid of this new movie. If they screw up Star Trek… maybe it will be the end. They can´t let the fans and try to do a blockbuster… let´s see…

60. Third Remata'Klan - November 18, 2008

#49

Nobody’s going to forget Shatner, or the rest of the cast.

But I actually think it’s a pretty good thing for them to “forget”, in a sense, the original actors when recasting this thing.

Think about Shakespeare. Many, many people have played Hamlet. He’s a character who is different every time.

So Chris Pine has blue eyes. So what? He’s not doing a Shatner impression? So what? I believe that the character is iconic enough that Kirk is actually bigger than Shatner. Maybe the best thing for the future would be to keep re-imagining the original (just as there are a multitude of interpretations of Shakespeare) over and over and over again….

Okay, maybe not.

And yes, I know. Bigger than the Shat? That’s a stretch…..

61. Third Remata'Klan - November 18, 2008

#59

Actually, yeah, if this movie fails, it WILL be the end, at least for a long time….

62. Richard Daystrom - November 18, 2008

#47

I agree. Drudge merely provides links to other sites. In reference to the above article, how is this “sensationalistic” ????

63. Hat Rick - November 18, 2008

60, good thoughts. I know that Trek is bigger than Shatner, but that doesn’t mean we can’t tip our hats to the Shat. He did a yeoman’s job — nay, a captain’s job — in fleshing out Trek’s greatest captain. (Yes, I’m counting Picard. Picard lived in a time that Kirk helped create. Picard’s Federation was built upon the pioneering spirit of those like Kirk and his five year mission. This doesn’t take away from Kirk, any more than admiring George Washington takes away from respect for JFK or FDR. But there was only one Geo. Washington, and neither JFK nor FDR, in the end, were even close.)

64. Q Macedonia - November 18, 2008

#39 Thank you.

We could use some kind of graphic show of how the movies performed, how big a budget, how much publicity did they get before the premier and stuff like that.

Maybe the TrekMovie team can make some research on this subject.

P.S. One more question. What is the bottom dollar that this movie should make so we can call it a success.

65. Phil - November 18, 2008

35 and 36….because technobabble ended up being a substitute for quality storytelling….

66. Phil - November 18, 2008

for me, the coolest thing would be for young Kirk to ride by on the bike, and coming back the next morning to find the Big E launched overnight. No explainations, just in orbit. Don’t waste any time explaining it to anyone, just that it was taken care of…

67. Ensign Jack - November 18, 2008

Awsome, so not just us trekkers exited over this “facinating” Movie?

68. JB - November 18, 2008

52 – Pine looks a bit like Lt. Bailey from “Corbomite Maneuver” in that photo.

69. Anthony Pascale - November 18, 2008

RE: 64
Trekmovie did an article on that subject in December of 2006
http://trekmovie.com/2006/12/17/today-marks-longest-period-without-trek-film-since-1979/

it includes a nice chart of the franchise in terms of ticket sales and ratings since 1979

This is a subject we may look at in more depth in the future.

70. Chris Basken - November 18, 2008

#21: “Leave it to the Drudge report to get it wrong…”

What did Drudge get wrong?

71. Kirk's Girdle - November 18, 2008

I saw it on Entertainment Tonight and that seizure-inducing broad Mary Hart talked all over it. Then I figured if it aired on Terminator if would HAVE to air on Heroes, which stars Zachary Quinto and referenced Trek twice last night. No again.

They’re really pissing me off.

72. Q Macedonia - November 18, 2008

Anthony thanks. I remember this chart, actually I used it on our forum, at TrekUnited.

Jesus, it’s been 2 years.

73. AirForcePA - November 18, 2008

“And it looks like there are Trekkies to be found everywhere.”

What is that supposed to mean?!?

I’m from Indianapolis and Janeway was (or will be) born just an hour away in Bloomington! HAHA! Hoosiers love Trek, too! See, there is more than corn in Indiana!!!

74. Dom - November 18, 2008

I’m glad the mainstream media are picking up on the film. The sexy makeover should help bring in the punters. The original Star Trek was very sexy as well, so the makeover isn’t so shocking unless you take into account the dry, almost genderless characters from the Berman Treks.

And no one seems to have commented on how delicious that opening scene with young Kirk really is. In Generations, Shatner’s aging Kirk falls to his death from a bridge between cliffs. In the trailer, a young Kirk, reborn and defiant survives falling from a cliff and climbs back on to solid land.

75. Q Macedonia - November 18, 2008

Looking back at that chart I can see that TWOK was not No.1 movie in TOS era. I expected to be below TMP, because it was the first movie, but didn’t expect TVH to be on second spot.

76. ster julie - November 18, 2008

#30–Mille grazie, Antonio!!! Everybody sounds so much sexier when they parle Italiano.

And they even used voices that sounded similar in tone and pitch to the english-speakers. Not like the German preview that made Kirk and Spock sound like a couple of boys.

#74–Good pick-up connecting Generations and ST11 re: the gully. I also thought someone was very clever when they asked if that ravine was a relic of the Xindi attack. Could be, but there seems to be some kind of quarry equipment in the background in some shots. On the third hand, New Mexico has such a gorge caused by a river and maaaaaaaaaaany yearsof erosion. Does Iowa? Then again, they did have WWIII before First Contact. Perhaps it’s a remnant of that?

Speculation is such fun!

77. navamske - November 18, 2008

I read in one report that Leonard Nimoy can be seen in the trailer. I didn’t see that. Did anyone else?

78. MH - November 18, 2008

Last five sequels, First Contact not withstanding?! You lost me at that insinuation… I don’t know about this moron, but I consider 6 to be one of the best films.

79. catchupwiththesun - November 18, 2008

when’s that trailer analysis comin?

80. Cpt. Retri - November 18, 2008

#30

Ugh…awful dubs quality, unfitting voices and TERRIBLE translation. Someone at Paramount Italia should get fired for this half assed adaptation.

81. Q Macedonia - November 18, 2008

#77 Bob Orci commented on that in a previous thread. And NO, Nimoy is not in it.

82. Anthony Brooks Fellows - November 18, 2008

Mr, Pascale,

Pardon me, but do I understand you correctly?
Geekosphere?
We’re all geeks?
Norms?

Do you have the slightest idea of the connotation these terms involve?

So, Trek fans are all basically geeks, nerds and anything but normal, the end result of defective DNA?

And you wonder why “Norms” regard Fans as something pretty much deserving of exhibition in a Natural History Museum’s Endangered Species section? You think you’re improving Trekkers’ image talking like that? Well, you’re not.

If you, those you presume to speak on behalf of are geeks, nerds or abnormal, buddy, it ain’t got nothing to do with your association with Trek; nor do you or they need any assistance in having those rather appalling stigmas apply. You’re doing fine all by yourself. Leave Trek out of it, please.

Let’s set the record straight and let the chips fall where they may: I’ve been Trekking since before you were born and when it meant something. I’m not here to curry favor with Mr. Abrams or any of his cronies, or refrain from speaking out lest I offend them. If I want to brown nose, I don’t have to bother coming here to do it; I can go straight to the Big Suits at the studios to make my pitches. Why would I bother doing it here, if that was my intent?

I come here for the discussion, however tilted and one-sided it often proves to be. Fine. I’m not intimidated in the least. I’m as constant as the Northern Star. Bring it on, please.

That aside, I’m not, nor do I see myself a a geek, nerd or anything else particularly unacceptable in the wider sphere of society, in the spirit of some misplaced sense of bearing the red badge of courage because of something I enjoy and others don’t.

If you feel that way, as do those whom you claim to speak for, fine. Go ahead, Be my guest. But kindly cease and desist from stigmatizing the rest of us in the spirit of rationality, common courtesy, and of course, IDIC.

83. karanadon - November 18, 2008

And also, when you log off from hotmail (at least in the UK) a link to the trailer comes up on the MSN homepage…

This is really promising! *crosses fingers* I’m UNBELIEVABLY excited about this, can’t wait for the comics, and whatever tidbits we’ll be drip-fed in the coming months. May 09 can’t come soon enough!!

84. Peter - November 18, 2008

The Drudge Report still exists, in 2008? Why?

85. TK - November 18, 2008

#77, i think, LN is seen in his ship from the future, alhough you can’t see his face or anything. It’s just conjecture, judging from ths style of the ship, this ship looks more advanced. There’s obviously someone standing ? in the viewport in the middle of the ship. you’ll have to watch the trailer frame by frame.

86. Yammer - November 18, 2008

63 Kirk did some yeomen, all right.

82 “Geek” is the American “otaku” — mildly pejorative, yes, but in a self-deprecating way, used to indicate a perhaps unfashionable enthusiasm for the toys, games, literature and cinema of adolescents, primarily boys. There are some connotations of intelligence, with a faint soupcon of Asperger’s which, I don’t think, any of us geeks really resent.

So quit being such a nerd about it.

87. karanadon - November 18, 2008

Also, #82: I disagree – maybe this is just me, but in my mind “nerd” certainly has negative connotations, whereas “geek” is not the case at all…as in “geek chic”!! On the contrary, I feel that “norm” is more of an insult – those who would love nothing more than watching American Idol and other unoriginal reality shows on a regular basis, for example – i.e. fairly standard, uninteresting items. So “norms” = the general unsuspecting, ignorant, generally boring, and crowd-following populace, if you will!

88. Kirky - November 18, 2008

For a start Kirk did not serve on the Enterprise until he was captain. He did not spend all his childhood on earth and Spock would never lose his temper, vulcans don’t!
So I can see a flaw here already, but hey its only a film so lets wait until it comes out and then pull it to pieces!!!

89. Smike van Dyke - November 18, 2008

#82: Oh well, I AM a geek, nerd, freak, weirdo, sad geezer, trekaholic, overgrown fanboy etc… I don’t have a problem with that at all :)))

90. Mav' - November 18, 2008

It sure is being advertised by mainstream media. Here in France, there is one major website for all things related to movies and theater, and i can tell you that the trailer is on the front page !!! And it is getting some very good comments !!

91. Q Macedonia - November 18, 2008

#88 I’ve seen your comment on E! or somewhere else and wanted to reply there but changed my mind and now here you are.

I think that you should watch you Star Trek once more, we’ve seen Spock lose his temper, because humans do, and Spock is that. A half human. Besides older Spock tells Kirk how to provoke younger Spock to lose his temper. There is no flaw there.

As for Kirk serving on the Enterprise. We can’t tell that for sure. We’ve read the reports and my opinion is that he is more of a hich-hiking than serving there.

92. DaiMonRon - November 18, 2008

#56

LOL I actually had just hit FF and did a double take – “Did I just see what I think I saw?”

93. Anthony Brooks Fellows - November 18, 2008

86-

Quit being a reason why “Norms” avoid Trek and hop on your Vulcan Vespa, go home and call it a night already.

They never learn, thankfully.

94. THX-1138 - November 18, 2008

#82

Lighten up, Frances.

95. spiked canon - November 18, 2008

94 I was a little taken back by the comments as well, but it isn’t my site

96. Primogen - November 18, 2008

88. How do you know that Kirk did not serve on the Enterprise until he was Captain? We do know that he served on the Republic as an ensign, and on the Farrgut as a lieutenant, but that doesn’t preclude him from ever having served on the Enterprise before being captain.

It’s true that Kirk did not spend his entire childhood on Earth, but does the movie storyline say that he never ventured into space prior to joining Starfleet?

As for Spock never losing his temper — we’ve seen him have both positive and negative emotional outbreaks in The Original Series. He was portrayed as being fairly emotional when serving under Captain Pike, and he was quite angry (even violently so) with Valeris in STVI.

97. bmar - November 18, 2008

94…we’re not on digg, but dugg for the Stripes reference. Nice.

98. steve623 - November 18, 2008

Slow news day

99. Anthony Brooks Fellows - November 18, 2008

89-

You don’t believe in taking any chances, do you? Neither do “Norms,” fortunately; and they won’t take none either come May 2009.

Fun, isn’t it?

100. THX-1138 - November 18, 2008

#98

?????????

101. Werewindle - November 18, 2008

Didn’t like it… Gotta be an alternate timeline. Looks nice (then, again, so did Lost in Space)

102. Anthony Pascale - November 18, 2008

RE: Geek
I am a geek and I am proud of it. I also used to work with the fine folks at Geek Magazine and the editor of that magazine (Jeff Bond) is a friend of the site and a contributor.

http://www.geekmonthly.com

so yes, lighten up please

103. Ricci - November 18, 2008

I hope abrams can sell a 40 year old idea and make it work. Why would any one who didnt already like star trek want to see it ,concidering he change everything. The ship, the characters, the way they met.He changed everything. If these people didnt know about star trek before where were they?(the new veiwers). I will watch it to see what abrams has done to it, but I have seen Cloverfield. It wasnt that good. and his other shows do nothing for me. I dont forsee a new star trek 2 happening. Hmmm. star trek two the wrath of Cawley. I’d pay to see that.

104. Yammer - November 18, 2008

93 Vespas are cool and interesting, which no display of umbrage and risible self-promotion (fan “when it meant something”) can serve to suggest the same for you. But that’s ok. Trek is a big tent.

105. eagle219406 - November 18, 2008

I don’t know about you guys but I already saw one continuity errror, perhaps 2. One is that Kirk is seen driving a car and then a motorcycle. The episode, “A Piece of the Action,” clearly showed that he didn’t know how to drive. Another is that we see him as an adult or at least a teenager, watching the enterprise get built. He had to have been a kid when it was built.

106. Anthony Brooks Fellows - November 18, 2008

103-

Mr. Pascale, I know who you are, where you’ve worked. That’s irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

As I said, don’t generalize. It’s counterproductive, at best; and stigmatizing and self-defeating, at worst.

Thank you.

107. THX-1138 - November 18, 2008

#105

I’ve noticed things like that, too. My answer to that is one of two things:

#1- It’s all happening in an altered timeline and will get fixed at the end of the movie to something familiar.

OR………….

#2- I will call this movie Space Patrol and pretend it has nothing to do with a certain franchise begun in the late 1960’s.

Voila! Happiness restored!

108. THX-1138 - November 18, 2008

#106

Only a geek would use his full legal name on a Trek thread about geeks. And link to a MySpace page. One that doesn’t actually allow access to view the profile.

And my definition of “Norm” is the guy sitting next to Cliff at the end of the bar.

But I’m a geek.

109. HT - November 18, 2008

This or another trailer should be aired during the Super Bowl.

110. Anthony Brooks Fellows - November 18, 2008

104-

Keep your eyes on the road, please.

Pacl up your tent and go home.

111. Jeffries Tuber - November 18, 2008

TV Guide and Time Magazine’s highest selling covers in history are Star Trek covers. It’s basically Spock and Jesus, neck-and-neck on Time Mag’s best selling issues. So this is no surprise.

What’s interesting is that The Drudge Report highlights the violence, while Huffington Post highlights the sex. The Right and the Left in a nutshell.

112. sean - November 18, 2008

#82

You’re taking a joking reference as though it were gospel. The terms ‘geek’ and ‘nerd’ are no longer the strictly pejorative terms they once were. Many people proudly declare their ‘dorkitude’ with glee. So you don’t associate yourself with any of those terms – that’s okay. All the more reason not to take anything stated so personally.

Anthony wasn’t negatively labeling anyone with his above statements. He’s just playfully acknowledging the general public’s perception of Star Trek fans. Let’s face it – the fact that so many of us are spending so much time on a site dedicated to Trek is a likely indicator we have at least a wee bit of dweeb blood flowing through us ;)

113. Anthony Brooks Fellows - November 18, 2008

104-

Keep your eyes on the road, please.

Pack up your tent and go home.

114. THX-1138 - November 18, 2008

Also, in reference to the whole geek thing:

One should not allow themselves to be victimized over the use of a term like geeks. It is insulting to those who actually are subjected to derogatory remarks pertaining to their ethnicity , choice of lifestylye or religion. Being labeled a geek is nowhere near the same.

115. Brett Campbell - November 18, 2008

49- Excellent kudos to Mr. Shatner and his immeasurably important contributions to Trek and establishing the character of James T. Kirk.

I applaud and couldn’t agree more!

I hope Mr. Pine’s performance gives at least something of a nod to Mr. Shatner.

116. cpelc - November 18, 2008

113

Don’t be hating on AP!

Brooks Fellows Safari Planet….Brooks Fellows Safari Planet….Brooks Felloooowwwwwwwwss…..Safari Planet!

Obligatory

117. Brett Campbell - November 18, 2008

108 – Norm! LOL!

“What’s the good word, Norm?”

“It’s a dog-eat-dog world and I’m wearing Milkbone underwear.” ;)

118. JL - November 18, 2008

Hey, 106 aka “Mr. Fellows”

You have taken a very intimidating tone with that post. I don’t think Anthony deserves that type of B.S. leveled at him – he runs a great website here and is (most of the time) very cordial to everyone. If I were Anthony I would hit the big delete button on your ass.

Have a drink and chill, no one’s out to ruin your life. It’s STAR TREK, MAN! ENJOY!

119. Brett Campbell - November 18, 2008

Imagine if Roddenberry’s vision of the future met Rodney King’s plea of the fairly recent past and we all just got along.

Oh, and I guess John Lennon imagined it, too.

120. falcon - November 18, 2008

Wow.

The post that said Uhura was just Kirk’s “booty call” is either a troll, or someone who hasn’t paid very close attention to the trailer (of course, when we all view it frame-by-frame, we’re gettin’ a little weird). Probably just a troll.

Now, if the “mainstream media” (don’t even get me started on that) delivers that same line, Trek fans all over the world are gonna blow a warp gasket. Of course, we all know the media does its homework before reporting the news……..right? :-)

121. Poizen_Prince - November 18, 2008

From the Metro.co.uk:

“racy sex scenes with Kirk and Spock”

Hehe…

It’s fun to take things out of context!

122. falcon - November 18, 2008

@96 – While it was never actually established whether Kirk ever served aboard the Enterprise before being promoted to captain, we do have proof that there was no captain of the Enterprise between Pike and Kirk – when Kirk says, in “The Menagerie (Part I)”, “I took over the Enterprise from him.” Other potential proof was the line in the same show, where Kirk says, “We met when he was promoted to fleet captain.” Unless a fleet captain can command a starship, and unless Kirk came aboard at that time, one could safely surmise that Kirk never served on the Enterprise under Pike, and did not come aboard the Enterprise until he assumed command. Whether a fleet captain can command a starship is still an unanswered question, and one that will probably remain unanswered.

That’s the logical argument, anyway.

123. Thorny - November 18, 2008

14… In fairness to Rick Berman, he didn’t get on-tenth the support from the studio that J.J. Abrams has achieved. Airing a Star Trek movie commercial on a major network in prime time, five months before its release? Beyond Mr. Berman’s wildest dreams, I think. Not that Berman wasn’t clearly burned out and should have stepped aside long before he did, but come on… Abrams is working with an entirely different Paramount, it seems.

124. Primogen - November 18, 2008

#121. “racy sex scenes with Kirk and Spock”

LOL, I’m reminded of the following announcement I once heard on a local television station promoting an upcoming showing of Amok Time: “Kirk’s life is threatened when Spock has an uncontrollable mating urge.”

125. Garovorkin - November 18, 2008

This movie is going to be big , no question, they are beginning the build up to May next year right now.

126. Xplodin' Nacelle - November 18, 2008

Just read the Drudge Report……..

They say that the scene w/ Amanda has Nimoy in it. I don’t see it.

Isn’t that Ben Cross? Are they wrong?……………or could they be right?

Hmmmmm

127. ElrondL - November 18, 2008

For what it’s worth, several fans (including me) bagged on the NY Times writer about the “last five sequels” comment. At least we got him to relent about “First Contact,” but not ST6.

Oh well… hell, all that mattered this morning was Trek getting early press in the New York Frakking Times!! :-)

128. Garovorkin - November 18, 2008

I would laugh if this film topped the box office take of any of the Star wars films. But it could happen,

129. Primogen - November 18, 2008

#127, yes, that is Ben Cross, as Sarek, who is also the “mysterious voice” referenced in the article. Another thing the article gets wrong is that Kirk beds Uhura (he’s actually with a green-skinned Orion woman).

130. Data - November 18, 2008

the scene in the trailer where spock is choking kirk is mirrored.

131. Steven - November 18, 2008

Just saw the 1-minute version of the trailer during a commercial break on “Fringe.” I’m getting very excited about it. And I mean VERY excited!

God bless!

132. VOODOO - November 18, 2008

Kirk and Spock = big event.

Almost nobody cares about anything else.

133. ster julie - November 18, 2008

She isn’t green! It’s the lighting! I’ll bet $$ that she is Carol Marcus!

Kirk looks soooo tasty in that shot, no? But what is that silver knobby thingy when he’s hiding under the bed?????

134. Garovorkin - November 18, 2008

#130 interesting way for Kirk and Spock to begin their long friendship via a chokehold.

135. Kirk's Girdle - November 18, 2008

Referring to Pine, my daughter just said, “I’ll go see that!”

136. AJ - November 18, 2008

Re:

Geeks.

Geeks go to ballgames or hockey games dressed in shirts with professional players’ names on the back, instead of their own. I mean how many people are there named “Derek Jeter?”

Geeks listen to AM radio all-sports stations where the announcers hyper-analyze sports, players, games, plays, stadiums and team management 24 hours per day.

Geeks watch 24-hour channels which show re-runs of baseball games from the last decade.

Hyper-obsessive people like us are not relegated to Sci-fi or genre. I think Star Trek is like a team that we all like: We are thrilled when it’s good, and bummed when it stinks, and blame the manager for it. We discuss the pluses and minuses of certain players. We discuss the owners’ intentions, etc. We’re proud of our history, and the “old-timers.” No difference

We obsess on the details. I see dads and kids going to Ranger games dressed up like the Rangers. Some of us dress up for fun like our favorite characters. We’re proud to be Trek fans. No difference.

The only difference is regular press coverage. Got it today. Yay!

137. Enterprise - November 18, 2008

Oh wow, people still read the Drudge report?

138. Yspano - November 18, 2008

Haha, I like the “Mad Max” reference. XDDD

139. sean - November 18, 2008

#133

She’s green. It’s Rachel Nichols.

140. sean - November 18, 2008

#139

Actually, I take that back. I’m pretty sure that’s Diora Baird.

141. Robman0908 - November 18, 2008

I put this on the Trailer board, but I thought maybe it would fit here as well.

I’m not sure if anybody else noticed, but if you look at about 1:40 into the trailer (slow mo about 2 or 3 frames in) when Spock is choking out Kirk, in the bottom rigth corner of the screen it looks like Old Spock is standing there.

It could be Scotty, but it looks like an awful like old Spock. The figure is a bit blurry, but the outline of the face, and color of hair makes it look like old Spock.

Also, this scene would possibly take place after the drill scene, as both Kirk and Sulu are bruised up.

142. Kirk's Girdle - November 18, 2008

It is not old Spock

143. sean - November 18, 2008

#141

Actually, I’m pretty sure that’s Ben Cross again.

144. Robman0908 - November 18, 2008

It might be Ben Cross too. It seems like kind of an odd outfit for any version of Spock to wear.

Didn’t either Nimoy or Quinto say they shared a scene together?

145. Enterprise - November 18, 2008

Rachel Nichols said she played a Janice Rand type character though.

146. kwja1 - November 18, 2008

anthony,

i dont know if this has been mentioned, but it might come in handy for your article analyzing the trailer… there might be a link between Kirk with the Orion girl, and that AICN article ages ago that said Kirk was gonna alter the kobiyashi maru by hitting on a girl (it was along those lines anyway)

147. eagle219406 - November 18, 2008

#122 True there was no captain between Pike and Kirk, I don’t remember anybody saying there was. But there was one that Preceeded Pike. That was Robert April.

148. THX-1138 - November 18, 2008

As much as I like the idea of April as the first Cap’n, it’s….ahem…..

NOT CANON.

It was just Roddenberry’s first working name for the captain when he was conceptualizing Star Trek. Dropped the name like a hot spud.

149. Robman0908 - November 18, 2008

I don’t think that Robert April was ever official canon. He was in TAS, but that show is not really considered offical Trek canon.

Sometimes I wish the same went for most of Voyager, Enterprise, Generations, Insurrection and Nemesis.

I can take watching Star Trek V (great Kirk/Spock/McCoy moments) more then the above….heck, I can even take watching episodes of TAS over the above shows. Too PC and retarded at times.

This new Trek looks great. It must have a great story is Mr Nimoy joined up. The new Big E took a while to get used too, but after a while and with the trailer, I’m starting to digg it.

150. Enterprise - November 18, 2008

In the Trek Chronology book there’s a pic of Roddenberry as Robert April

151. SciFiMetalGirl - November 18, 2008

I found this article today on aol:

http://www.popeater.com/movies/article/since-when-is-there-sex-in-star-trek/252749?icid=200100397x1213678451x1200853636

152. Robman0908 - November 18, 2008

Trek was so weird about canon anyways. USPA, United Earth, Federation Central, always changing time periods. TNG was weird by giving Romulans head ridges, making Klingons honor bound (them original series and movie Klingons had close to zero honor, except maybe Kor and a few others).

153. Enterprise - November 18, 2008

The Star Wars continuity has been a lot better than Trek’s

154. LostonNCC1701 - November 18, 2008

Fringe had the trailer. I think the new Trek movie has received more publicity then “Nemesis” and “Enterprise” combined.

155. Trekwebmaster - November 18, 2008

I noticed Star Trek on Drudge Report as well, and might I say it was a very “tame” article with more than one picture. I think what is being seen, reaction-wise, is just the tip of the iceberg. It only gets better from here.

Enthusiastic,

Trekwebmaster

156. Son of Surak - November 18, 2008

Well, all the buzz is definitely good news. I truly hope this movie isn’t a big, dumb summer movie that departs from the original vision of classic Trek — but even if that’s all it is, we should still all hope it’s a huge box office success. The more money it makes, the more likely it is that we’ll see future outings.

157. Chris Basken - November 18, 2008

153: “The Star Wars continuity has been a lot better than Trek’s”

I bet not if you look at the amount of continuity screwups in SW as a percentage of the overall length of screen time.

In other words, what percentage of SW’s ~15 hours of screen time contains continuity gaffes compared to Trek’s many hundreds of hours?

158. Donn - November 18, 2008

On Fleet Captains:

They can absolutely command a starship, in fact generally they would be in command of many (hence the fleet), apart from their own flag ship. Comparable to Commodore, though Fleet Captain is apparently more of a temporary designation for a particular mission or tour.

This is from wikipedia and my own recollection from reading Hornblower novels.

So, there’s no reason, if you are concerned about canon, that Pike could not have very recently attained the rank when he and Kirk have their run-in in the film, preserving Kirk’s line in “The Menagerie,” and continue to command the Enterprise, which has always been described as the Federation flagship.

159. Josh - November 18, 2008

#153

The Star Wars continuity has been a lot better than Trek’s.

the “special editions” challenge that notion. Lucas has been very revisionist with Star Wars.

160. OR Coast Trekkie - November 18, 2008

Let us not forget: Star Trek was a failure when it originally aired. It needed a letter writing campaign just to have a 3rd year. Even in the 60’s it was not appealing to the masses, because it was seen as cheesy. And think about this: Even many Star Trek fans themselves only like about 1/3-1/2 of the episodes, and only 3-4 of the 6 movies.

I also realize I’m going to be burned at the stake for saying this, but it is the truth: We do owe the “resuragance” of Star Trek to Star Wars. If there wasn’t Star Wars, there would have been no TMP, which in turn, would mean that nothing after TMP would exist.

I am looking forward to this movie, and seeing JJ’s vision of Star Trek, and seeing where he has improved upon it. Yes, I said it… IMPROVED! IT seems like JJ is taking the best parts of Star Trek and expanding on them. At the same time, he sees what elements could be added to Star Trek to make it more appealing to a mainstream audience and adding them. James Cawley recognizes that JJ is trying to bring Star Trek to a new generation of people, and introduce it to a new audience, while at the same time, showing something that will please the “majority” of fans. He realizes what it is necessary to do in order to accomplish that. Cawley does Phase II for a completely different reason: nostalgia. He isn’t trying to attract new fans: he is making something for purists like himself.

Sometimes, it is Star Trek fans themselves that keep away the mass appeal. Canon obsessiveness, story memorization and things like that keep people away, yet, these are the most vocal and noticeable of the fans. Be honest: have you tried to show a friend an episode, but then while it is showing, talk about how it corresponds to or contradicts things that are said in past episodes?

That is what this movie is for: to bring a new audience to appreciate Star Trek without having to know anything about it. And unfortunately, we are on our way to ruining that for people by saying “This isn’t what the ship or bridge looks like” or “Well, in Balance of Terror or Where No Man Has Gone Before, this character said that, which clearly contradicts this…” You will also ruin it for people by saying “It’s dumbed down with action.” Implication that somebody is dumb for liking action is as offensive to me personally as it is offensive to you personally for being called “socially challenged” for liking Star Trek.

So I say: If you’re going to check out the movie, please don’t make comments while it is showing. That’s annoying no matter who is doing it at any movie.

161. Skippy2k - November 18, 2008

Don’t know if its been posted anywhere here but on the trekbbs somone posted a link to “the first trailer mashup” and I just thought it was great so here’s the link… lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAjmbASkkLY

162. Robman0908 - November 18, 2008

I think everything will work out in the end. Canon violations never bothered me. I just paid little attention to them, and focused on the story. This movie looks like it will have a great story. If it is more action based, then so what. It promises to have some great battles, and that is always a plus.

I think everyone will be happy come May. Long Live Star Trek!

163. Plum - November 18, 2008

The Drudge Report?

That’s like getting noticed in The Weekly World News.

An as a Trekkie, I full aware that LOTS of people love Trek. that’s why the films are still being made. I don’t need validation. Really! lol! ;p

164. charlie - November 18, 2008

They just showed the new trailer on Fringe!

165. Jorg Sacul - November 18, 2008

126. Xplodin’ Nacelle – November 18, 2008

Just read the Drudge Report……..

They say that the scene w/ Amanda has Nimoy in it. I don’t see it.
Isn’t that Ben Cross? Are they wrong?……………or could they be right?

Hmmmmm
+++++++++++++++
No, you read it in an article LINKED to Drudge Report. Drudge doesn’t write the articles, he just compiles them as he sees fit on his page of links.

I still stand by my previous statement on another thread, the author of the article didn’t see the trailer or the stills, just typed sensationalist blather and probably wouldn’t know Spock from Ben Kenobi if he/she ran into them on the street.

166. Anthony Brooks Fellows - November 18, 2008

118-

You’re not him, and not too much of yourself either, I see.

As for my life, it’s just fine. Try saving up enough money to buy one for yourself and try minding your own business in the future while you’re at it.

I do not dislike Mr. Pascale. I have no personal issue with him, merely a point of disagreement on a certain topic. Being the Site Owner, he’s fully within his right to remove my comments, and/or as you suggested, “hit the delete button on my ass.”

He didn’t delete the comment or me. A professional doesn’t operate on a basic level like you. We don’t devour own kind, so to speak, That’s why he answered the charge where you wouldn’t have; and that’s why he owns the site and you don’t. That’s why people like he lead and people like you are relegated to following.

As it should be.

Good evening.

167. no name - November 18, 2008

This better be a good movie. Hope it’s better than the star trek enterprise. series.

168. Xplodin' Nacelle - November 18, 2008

Re: 136 AJ

Excellent Analysis! I wholeheartedly agree.

169. Enterprise - November 18, 2008

the “special editions” challenge that notion. Lucas has been very revisionist with Star Wars

The SE’s try to make the OT fit in with the PT movies. It’s not revisionist, it’s trying to make sense with the PT.

170. devon Richards - November 18, 2008

Sitting through that episode of Entertainment Tonight to watch a portion of the trailer on TV was torture at best. What was once the best industry magazine on television has denigrated into a nightly report of what Paris Hilton is up to, Who Pamela Anderson is sleeping with and what is happening behind the scenes of “Dancing with the (faded and can’t get work) stars.
As it is the property of Paramount I’m sure we’ll see more about the up-coming Trek film on it over the next six months, but only what is released in increments by the studio and not because the producers of the program are even hip enough to get what is going on in the current cultural zeitgeist.

171. I'm Not an Effect! - November 19, 2008

Star Trek, in my opinion, will have been functionally dead for at least 10 years by the time Abrams’ movie comes out. Part of the reason for this is that it simply became increasingly insular and fearful of taking great risk – all while claiming that it still was boldly going where no man had gone before, even though the later series often feature stories that were recycled three times over, and the original series itself has been in reruns for almost 40 years. There were simply no surprises left. For anyone. At this point the only thing Trek had going for it was its familiarity, which the fans (and the former producers) took for granted, and general audiences found underwhelming at best.

Even though this new film reintroduces the original characters and apparently respects the existing continuity, it already seems to represent a clean break with the old familiar way of doing things in Star Trek. All things being equal, by recasting the original roles, it will force existing fans to re-evaluate exactly what it is in Trek they found so compelling to begin with, and maybe make some more room in their imaginations for possibilities they hadn’t even dreamed of before. Similarly the audience at large will have its expectations and misconceptions about Star Trek challenged, (if only by the aesthetic choices of Abrams and his team) and be drawn in by the world and its characters, rendered in a way that has never been seen before, allowing a whole new generation of viewers to “own” Star Trek for themselves, rather than through second hand nostalgia and late night reruns.

172. McCoy's Gall Bladder - November 19, 2008

Are we going to see “Vulcans Gone Wild” on late night tv? Spock on Maury?

Up next, out of control Vulcan teens…

A few things Star Trek XII (2011) needs are: Space Hippies, Space Nazis and Space Gangsters

173. McCoy's Gall Bladder - November 19, 2008

122: Fleet Captain was a WW2 rank. A Fleet Captain commands a task force. Usually a Cruiser CC, a few destroyers DD and maybe Escorts EE and Frigates FF.

Neither Fleet Captain nor Commodore has been used since WW2.

A Commodore was a retired captain drafted into service, a “senior” captain.

Commodore is now combined with Rear Admiral

174. OhMy - November 19, 2008

Just saw Quantum of Solace, alas, the trailer wasn’t shown, so I’ve had to download it and watch it on the small-screen. Damn.
Looks… interesting!

175. Dom - November 19, 2008

I think the numerous different approaches to Trek down the years has led to a massive divergence between fans about what they look for in the shows and films.

I grew up on TOS and loved it for the weird music, big concepts, the action scenes and the sex.

On the other hand, Gene Roddenberry revised his concept of Trek for TMP and, later, TNG and aimed for something talkier. Now I’m not going to bash the TMP and TNG as they have much to commend them.

Unfortunately, though, they attracted a new type of fan: pseudo-intellectuals. These were the people who dominated the fan mainstream in the bland 1990s (an decade whose only standout characteristic was that it had no standout characteristic!) These are the people who felt Star Trek was about being ‘evolved’. They looked down on William Shatner, because they had the bald guy from the RSC now! TOS with its sex and fight scenes was even retconned in their heads into a much more sober endeavour.

This attitude even found its way into the shows, where everything TOS was equated with cowboys and it was made clear that Starfleet was far too ‘mature’ to keep the likes of Kirk in employment.

So now the pseuds are upset. JJ Abrams is selling Trek to non-fans by saying he wasn’t a fan, growing up, either, but he’s fallen in love with Trek and reckons other people who have dismissed it will too! JJ’s looked at what the original Star Trek was about, what made a lot of us love it and built on that.

Thehe ‘Star Wars’ approach isn’t so wrong with Star Trek. Lucas consciously based Star Wars on the writings of Joseph Campbell and his views on archetypes. Ironically, the sidelining of Janice Rand in favour of Leonard McCoy meant that the resulting ‘Big Three’ in Star Trek were great archetypes themselves: Kirk (warrior) Spock (priest) McCoy (Doctor).

Other than Jean-Luc Picard, who was a wonderful patrician leader (ironically, I suspect that was more to do with Patrick Stewart than the original writing) and perhaps Data (the Tin Man looking for a heart) the later shows never really had any archetypes we could latch on to: merely stereotypes.

So, the pseuds, who even refuse to recognise that there was really quite a lot of sex and violence even in the Berman Treks (and when they do, they complain about it being ‘dumbed down’) now have to face a passionate, ‘big’ Trek that dares to do something new and definitely not ‘safe’ are up in arms.

We should think hard about what Trek really is: is it an advert for a strange fantasy utopia in its own bottle universe or is it an exciting action adventure that will capture our imagination and be a believable, hopeful future for our own society!

176. Zip - November 19, 2008

Yes I saw the trailer on “The Sarah Connor Chronicles” but I also saw it on “Fringe” with my buds’s last night, they are not fans but do want to see the new movie. I sure I missed much, because it was so fast paced, I still want to see it on the Big Screen. ( it never Showed here in Newfoundland at QoS )
I wonder, the gorge that young Kirk is driving towards, could that be the damage caused by the Zindi? Sure does look man made, and like a scene from Enterprise where Tucker points out where the Theater use to be.
As for the Sex in Trek, TOS was always ahead of it’s time with showing sexy scenes, more so that most TV shows of the time, so I’d expect to see it in the new Movie.

177. Chingatchkook - November 19, 2008

#124 –
Must you repost the entire thing? And, without a ‘spoiler’ warning? We can click on the link if we really want to read it.

178. Chingatchkook - November 19, 2008

Re #177 – I see it was deleted by the time I posted my reply…thanks.

179. Danpaine - November 19, 2008

“The fast-moving trailer is packed with action and racy sex scenes with Kirk and Spock fighting and Uhura stripping off to show her bra…”

Gee, what comprehensive writing there. Can they make it sound any more shallow? Who wrote it, a 13 year old?

180. Can't Wait for Labor Day 2009 - November 19, 2008

Geek is in right now. Some good examples are Iron Man and The Dark Knight from this past year. Iron Man a movie I didn’t think that would do will with the general public, did great. Not bad for a character that is not well known like Superman, Spider-Man or Batman. The Dark Knight is about to cross the billion dollar mark, not bad for a movie franchise that was considered dead more then a decade ago . What they all have in common is that they had a good story but also good actors has well. I love these 2 movies but my girlfriend loves them more then I do. And she is someone that does not like comic book movies or even sci-fi so much. I was upset that Star Trek had its release date changed. But with the extra time Paramount can build up the hype for this movie with mainstream audiences.

181. DEMODE - November 19, 2008

I really wish a DVD box set was available for New Voyages. I would love to get those all on DVD.

182. Edwin - November 19, 2008

“The fast-moving trailer is packed with action and racy sex scenes with Kirk and Spock fighting and Uhura stripping off to show her bra…”

Wow! They still have bras in the 23rd century :)

183. Christine - November 19, 2008

It’s so awesome that it’s getting so much hype already! :3 Even Twilight didn’t catch this much media attention, and it’s coming out tomorrow. xD Think how huge the release of Star Trek: XI will be when it DOES come out.

As for the… ” ‘Star Trek gets a sexy makeover in new film with love scenes, motorbikes and hunky stars‘ ” … comment, I’m not complaining. Zachary Quinto is… amazing. And doesn’t look half-bad, either. ;P

184. JusticeBoy - November 19, 2008

Hey! They’re stealing our Trek!

BLOODY NORMS!!!

I used to post as JB, saw someone else using that name, so I changed mine to my Superhero name.
I’m the guy that will be dressed as an Andorian on opening day.

Buckle Up!

185. Ken - November 20, 2008

Why the hate for the Drudge Report? Its just a simple page with news links from all over the world. Best page for reading the headlines out there.

Anyway, this is great news. Hopefully people will be excited for this movie.

And Mr. Abrams, we’re counting on you. We hope you didn’t kill Star Trek!

186. gog - November 20, 2008

I aint a treky just a movie watcher and im sure vulcans can lose their temper i saw an episode where it is explained that they have only learned to subdue their tempers over generations because they were once as fearsome as the kling-ons

187. Michiko - April 1, 2009

Bonjour! Hot picture alert! If Paris Hilton is your fave, then I have a website for you to see. Who wants it?

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