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Saldana Talks Sequel + Star Trek Crosses $200M Domestic May 30, 2009

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Star Trek (2009 film) , trackback

It seems everyone is talking about the Star Trek sequel these days. Today we have Zoe Saldana talking about who she may or may not be hooking up with next time. In other news, the Star Trek movie has crossed another box office milestone.

 

Saldana considers upgrading to the Captain
In a new interview, Star Trek’s new Uhura talks about who is her kind of man.

Who do you prefer, Kirk or Spock?
Oh God… It depends! I suppose it would have to be Spock for now.

So pointy ears are a bonus?
Hmm, I don’t know… Maybe in the sequel, I wouldn’t mind giving it a go with Kirk. He’s has those dreamy blue eyes. He brings a very interesting, rebellious manliness to the part.

Is that the kind of guy you go for?
I tend to be very picky, so I look for the perfect man! So it Spock and Kirk can mix, they’d become my perfect man. That’s the kind of guy I’d go for. I don’t only go for muscles, I don’t only go for brains. You just need to have a little bit of a bad boy and a geek and then you’ve got the perfect guy.

More from Saldana at jonathancrocker.com


Could Spock be getting the shove?

Star Trek Tops $200M domestically
The estimates are in and it looks like Star Trek’sfourth Friday was pretty good, with $3.65M in sales domestically. Star Trek came in 5th behind the four releases from the last two weekends, but ahead of Angels & Demons (which opened a week after Star Trek). This brings the total domestic sales of ST09 up to $200.4M. It took Star Trek 22 days to cross the $200M mark — only 29 movies have done it faster. No international sales data is available for Friday, but combined with sales up until Thursday, Star Trek has a total global gross of $293.5M.

Comments

1. ReyD - May 30, 2009

Well I just saw it again for the 3rd time with some friends so more to add the the total.. What a great movie!

2. Sentry - May 30, 2009

Awesome… Can’t wait 4 sequel and more dollars coming

3. The TOS Purist aka The Purolator - May 30, 2009

Kirk isn’t even supposed to have blue eyes. His eyes are brown in the show. Duh.

Is this what’s going to be the talk of each Abrams sequel? “Who will Uhura ‘hook up’ with this time?”

4. boborci - May 30, 2009

3. The TOS Purist aka The Purolator – May 30, 2009
Kirk isn’t even supposed to have blue eyes. His eyes are brown in the show. Duh.

—–

His premature birth amidst the radiation of deep space affected his eye color.

5. colonyearth - May 30, 2009

“Kirk isn’t even supposed to have blue eyes. His eyes are brown in the show. Duh.

Is this what’s going to be the talk of each Abrams sequel? “Who will Uhura ‘hook up’ with this time?”

Blah, Blah blah blah. Blah. Blah. Blah blah blah blah blah blah.

It’s a great film and is dong extremely well. I’m excited, Trek fans all should be.

6. Phasers On Stun - May 30, 2009

I love the new relationship dynamics of the new movie! So yeah….Lets talk about Uhura hookups, Kirk hookups (after all he did do it quite a bit in the series with pretty much anyone and everyone). Young people having sex…what a concept.

7. dayxday - May 30, 2009

Kirk’s blue eyes absolutley ruined it for me. They completely overshadowed the thrilling action sequences, rapid pacing, great effects, and overall fun factor for me. You make an excellent point Purolator.

8. Trek Dynasty - May 30, 2009

#3. Dude, you got a man crush on Kirk on something? I have been watching Trek for 30 years and can not tell you off hand what color eyes Kirk has. I am not into guys like that.

9. The Governator - May 30, 2009

Its great to hear all the talk surrounding the sequel. The ride is about to begin all over again. In 1-2 years, we’ll be debating designs and nitpicking trailers to death. It’ll be like deja-vu.

10. la'Hom Ho'neH jorDe' taI-VamPyr - May 30, 2009

Where are the Klingon Warriors? We will give Kirk a run.

11. Mike Stivic - May 30, 2009

What a silly interview. Who is Uhura going to hook up with next? I agree that if that’s what is talked about when the sequel comes up, we’re in trouble.

The Spock-Uhura thing is fine. There were hints that it may have gone that way in The Original Series. But let’s not focus on it and toss Uhura around from crewmember to crewmember. For Saldana to join in on such stupid talk is unfortunate.

12. tiberius1000 - May 30, 2009

it is logical that they made a sequel becauseonly than they will make real profit. i have read that the studio spent aditional 150million for the marketing campain. Also the stets for the enterprise are bild so the next movie will be cheaper.

13. Hat Rick - May 30, 2009

I am listening to the soundtrack from the new movie, and I am beyond moved.

Someone once said that Trek is a religion.

It’s not.

It’s something everyone can believe in.

14. Mike Ten - May 30, 2009

I agree with #7, I thought I was a pretty good Trek fan but I don’t know what any of the actors/characters eye color is. In the end, Who Cares?

Next people will be worrying about the size of his feet and that they are too big or two small or his eyes are too close or too far apart.

15. Trek Dynasty - May 30, 2009

#12 — Dude, you like the soundtrack — we get that! No need to take potshots against peoples’ religions though. Keep the conversation to Trek.

16. Mike - May 30, 2009

I’m happy to have new Trek that isn’t from Rick Berman.

That is commercially and critically successful.

That guarantees more to come.

Life is good.

17. Tarrax - May 30, 2009

Were Kirk’s feet too big? :O

18. section9 - May 30, 2009

I’m telling you, you heard this here first: they’re going to bring T’Pring back and have a Ponn Farr cage match between her and Uhura over Spock.

Trust me on this. Michael Bay to direct.

19. G - May 30, 2009

How dare JJ Abrams hire one of the only actors on the planet who could pull of this part, but who had BLUE eyes? As soon as he saw his eye color, he should have been all “Yo, you gots to step off, fool.”

And how dare Chris Pine have blue eyes? He should have worn brown contacts to make basement dwellers everywhere happy. And likely for years after now that this was a huge success. No, no, he should have torn out his eyes and let ILM put tracking ping pong balls in the sockets so they could draw them in any color we decide.

O’rly? :P

20. Trek Dynasty - May 30, 2009

I do find it interesting that in TOS Kirk was a walking ha*d-on, but now that Uhura might be doing some of this some fans are up in arms. DOUBLE STANDARD!

21. Weerd1 - May 30, 2009

3- Actually both Shatner and Kirk on TOS have hazel eyes, not brown. At least if you believe Joan Winston. Of course, Hazel eyes are what was important about the character.

I don’t want to get off on a rant here, but I am a long time Trekkie/Trekker/whatever flavor you feel like it all means fan, and for the first time in a long time I had a great time watching Trek. Not just enjoyed, not just appreciated decent storyline, but had a great time. Been a while and it feels good.

Maybe I am more open to the change since I am also a comic fan and I am used to different incarnations of characters- provided they are true to the core characteristics. Score one for the good guys- we have a new Trek that was a blast and focused on characters I truly love. Blue, brown, hazel or crossed, Chris Pine has become James T. Kirk.
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/lTlojfnhlDpF2wST8Sckow?authkey=Gv1sRgCOubs_fP5p-dwQE&feat=directlink

22. Hat Rick - May 30, 2009

14, pleased be advised: I didn’t mean that people who are religious are wrong. I myself am religious. But I acknowledge that others may not be.

The only thing I do not tolerate is intolerance, whether based on religion or secularism, or against religion or secularism.

In other words… secular intolerance of religion is as wrong as religious intolerance of secularism.

IDIC.

Trek, however, is something that everyone might believe in, because by its highest standards, it makes no judgments against any religion — or for any religion — or for or against religiosity as a whole.

23. CAPT KRUNCH - May 30, 2009

I was thinking Carol Marcus or one of his many other conquests…let Spock keep Uhura!!!!

250 million by next weekend!!??!! make it so!! everyone go see it again and again!!

24. Trek Dynasty - May 30, 2009

21. OK, I buy into that too. Thanks for clarifying!

25. Hat Rick - May 30, 2009

You’re quite welcome, 23.

26. The Bear - May 30, 2009

Kirk’s (TOS) eyes were hazel, not brown, and definately not blue.

27. Romulan_Prncs - May 30, 2009

I don’t watch Star Trek because of the Uhura and think it’s sad that the only way they could make her relevant in the story was to hook her up with Spock. I hope that the next movie isn’t some kind of soap love triangle involving Spock, Uhura and Kirk. They put her with Spock, fine, so either keep it that way or don’t make it part of the story.

28. Brian Kirsch - May 30, 2009

Ok, I went this afternoon for a 4th viewing! Damn this site and you guys for giving me reasons to see it again, lol! It’s all good, as long as my wallet holds out.

I think the whole Uhura/Spock dynamic will carry forward. This is a new, more realistic Spock, using both of his halves. Will they? Won’t they? I for one love the chemistry between them.

As for poor Kirk, he will be left to his own while pining for Uhura. Something tells me he won’t have much of a drought…….

29. Pete359 - May 30, 2009

@ 4. boborci – May 30, 2009

3. The TOS Purist aka The Purolator – May 30, 2009
Kirk isn’t even supposed to have blue eyes. His eyes are brown in the show. Duh.

—–

His premature birth amidst the radiation of deep space affected his eye color.

_________

LOL, is this the modern day “A Wizard did it”? If so then may I suggest “A Time-travelling Romulan did it”

Awesome news about crossing $200M, watch out The Dark Knight ;)

30. oztrek - May 30, 2009

As Bob Orci states in post #4 that this Kirk’s eyes are blue because of the radiation due to singularity caused by Spock’s red matter, I am OK with it (though I am extremely dubious that any supernova can threaten the galaxy since it is full of them)

BUT
if the sequel actually has the Shat in it, will HE wear contacts?

I think not. ;)

31. Brian Kirsch - May 30, 2009

@ #4

LMAO!! Good answer! If the cononistas are down to eye color of the characters it shows their desperation. I pity anyone that relies on such trivia to enjoy a film.

32. Brian Kirsch - May 30, 2009

As I said, the canonistas……..lol.
As a 40 year Star Trek fan, I honestly couldn’t tell you the eye color of any of the characters. Guess it just wasn’t important………

33. ac - May 30, 2009

well from what i recall, the original kirk did quite a bit of hooking up himself in TOS. so ‘hooking up’ isn’t completely new to trek.

34. Romulan_Prncs - May 30, 2009

Truly, a great movie that exceeded my expectations. I was brought up on James T. Kirk, my dad and I would watch it together when I was a little girl. I was really apprehensive about someone else playing this character, but Pine pulled it off! I’ve seen it 3x so far and still find it awesome…..

but I have to wonder, if the Federation outpost was 14 miles down the road, why wasn’t the elder Spock already on his way there instead of in the cave… :-)

35. ajd - May 30, 2009

First off, I loved the movie…so this is a minor issue I suppose.

MY ONLY BEEF:
If Nero went back in time, couldn’t he have just alerted the Romulans of the future Sun issue rather than go after Vulcan? Perhaps his motivation is better addressed in the book (which I will be reading soon) or in the deleted scenes. But it is an annoying point of contention…

Any thoughts out there?

36. Jai1138 - May 30, 2009

I like this new Star Trek movie. I really, really do. I’m going to take my folks to see it next week!

37. ac - May 30, 2009

@hatrick.

your statement is somewhat true. however, trek is a show that is on the side of science. although trek has no indifference to religion, it is on the side of science in regards to science vs. religion. if you watch the shows, and even TNG, the crew meets some primitive peoples who worship some sort of god, and in the end, the crew always proves how the god technically convinces people he is a god, but in truth is not. only that it is such an advanced being that the primitive peoples believe it is a god. so no, i do not agree that for deeply religious people in general, trek is something they will follow or believe in.

38. fansince66 - May 30, 2009

i hope for several sequels.I’ve seen it 5 times already, and it’s as enjoyable as the 1st time.Star Trek has returned.Thank you JJ.

39. lnx - May 30, 2009

Have faith friends — like our beloved Star Trek franchise, the stock market shall rise again.

All hail the Stock Market

40. ac - May 30, 2009

ajd, nero wanted revenge on spock. he wanted him to see vulcan die like he did romulus in the original timeline. thats his motivation.

41. TerilynnS - May 30, 2009

Just as I feared – Abrams took a character of class, style and grace and turned her into nothing more than a Stafleet pincushion.

We women have SO much to thank JJ for…don’t we? /sarcasm

42. DiDi - May 30, 2009

41. Star Trek portraying a woman in a stereotypical, poor light? That’s so unlike this show.

Uhura in the movie is portrayed as studious, intelligent, and more than capable at what she does (she does get promoted to the bridge after all). That’s really a step up in Trek-Women relations.

43. TSFC - May 30, 2009

@ #8

“Dude, you got a man crush on Kirk on something? I have been watching Trek for 30 years and can not tell you off hand what color eyes Kirk has. I am not into guys like that.”

Wow, is this the kind of tolerance I can expect from this new era of change? No thanks…

So the guy noticed something that he didn’t like and voiced an opinion, it didn’t need to be jumped on like some bitter jealous hag.

#41 on the other hand makes an excellent, in true 21st. century fashion everything in existence boils down to sex. No wonder it took a nuclear holocaust before we invented warp drive.

44. trekboi - May 30, 2009

#21 Hat Rick – that was beautiful – # 23 Trek Dynasty – why are religious people always so afraid of criticism or questioning of their religion from others – doesnt faith sustain you?
Thats why gene didnt include religion in star trek – because it seperates people & causes fights- Hat Rick was simply saying Star Trek has a philosophy that welcomes everyone- unlike all the different religion that includes some & exclueds others- that is fact so how can to u object to it being stated in support of star treks acessability?

I see Anthony Lurking…

45. Romulan_Prncs - May 30, 2009

From my perspective, the character of uhura was in name only. I could not find any resemblance of the real character. But, I totally admit my bias, if someone is watching that has never seen TOS they may have a better appreciation of what the actress brought, however I just don’t feel she brought the “real” Uhura to the pic. They could have totally left that character out and would not have missed a thing.

46. Hat Rick - May 30, 2009

37, yes Star Trek is on the science, but we live in an age when the Roman Catholic Church acknowledges the reality of evolution:

“When the pope came to the subject of the scientific merits of evolution, it soon became clear how much things had changed in the nearly since the Vatican last addressed the issue. John Paul said:

Today, almost half a century after publication of the encyclical, new knowledge has led to the recognition of the theory of evolution as more than a hypothesis. It is indeed remarkable that this theory has been progressively accepted by researchers, following a series of discoveries in various fields of knowledge. The convergence, neither sought nor fabricated, of the results of work that was conducted independently is in itself a significant argument in favor of the theory.

Evolution, a doctrine that Pius XII only acknowledged as an unfortunate possibility, John Paul accepts forty-six years later “as an effectively proven fact.” (ROA, 82)”

Source: http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/vaticanview.html

With this in mind, and unless the Vatican is not considered “deeply religious,” I do believe that you can be both deeply religious and also resolved to let science be science.

(The views of the current Pope are not described, but it appears most likely that John Paul’s views are that of the RC Church, whether or not he was speaking ex cathedra.)

Yes, there are people out there who think that the RC Church isn’t Christian but in fact anti-Christian, but there are extremists on all sides, and I am in this sense discounting the outlying extremes.

Trek has also acknowledged that there are many things that are unknown; it has respected alien religions as religions even when Starfleet officers like Sisko may be prone to see them as simply alien entities. (Who, after all, were the Bajoran prophets? Might they as well not be gods?)

If Trek has this universal view of religion, it must have a similar view of Earth religions, whether or not more expressly stated.

Further, it is true that Trek has disparaged reliance on patently false religions (“Who Mourns for Adonais?”, etc.), including the episode you alluded to, but this is, in the finally analysis, more a criticism of using religion as a crutch. Religion is religion; to use it, or anything, as a crutch, is not a healthful way of living.

47. John Gill - May 30, 2009

Dang, I had been going to see the movie every other evening and now they took it off at the cinema in my town. Damn.

48. trekboi - May 30, 2009

#37

So aliens pretending to be god threatens your faith in a real god?

Fascinating…

49. Mr.Tom - May 30, 2009

Only the second time seeing, but 7:20 showing, Batavia Illinois – 1 hour west of Chicago… packed house. Sold out or very very nearly so with an appreciative crowd.

Can’t ask for anything more.

50. Weerd1 - May 30, 2009

41- Well, she doesn’t spend three years saying “Hailing frequencies open, Captain.” This Uhura seemed to me a confident, intelligent woman- she likes to hook up; it’s the 23rd century, do you think American sexual dimorphism which rewards a promiscuous male and calls a woman who likes sex a slut has become a thing of the past? Let’s hope so.

51. Hat Rick - May 30, 2009

CORRECTIONS to my 46 above:

“Trek has also acknowledged that there are many things that are unknown; it has respected alien religions as religions even when Starfleet officers like Sisko may be prone to see them as simply beliefs built around alien entities. (Who, after all, were the Bajoran prophets? Might they as well not be gods?)

If Trek has this universal view of religion, it must have a similar view of Earth religions, whether or not more expressly stated.

Further, it is true that Trek has disparaged reliance on patently false religions (”Who Mourns for Adonais?”, etc.), including the episode you alluded to, but this is, in the final analysis, more a criticism of using religion as a crutch. Religion is religion; to use it, or anything, as a crutch, is not a healthful way of living.”

52. Trek Dynasty - May 30, 2009

44 — I respect everyone’s belief or non-belief, which is why I spoke out when I mistakingly thought someone was taking a potshot at believers. Can you say the same — you are already making assumptions about my beliefs when you don’t know me.

53. trekboi - May 30, 2009

Hmmm…

Science= Fact

Religion= Fiction/Faith

STAR TREK= ?

Mr Advenyure: “Have you lost all your sense of Reality…? ”

Uhura: “This Isn’t Reality – This is Fantasy!”

54. trekboi - May 30, 2009

“Mr Adventure”

55. Romulan_Prncs - May 30, 2009

I don’t think she (Uhura) was portrayed as a slut at all. And I agree that she was portrayed as the intelligent person she would have to be in her position. I do believe they focused too much on her relationship and not enough on her as a person and in doing so did not capture the spirit of the original character (in the movies and episodes where the character actually had some substance).

56. starfall42 - May 30, 2009

I saw it again today — packed house, although the theater is showing it on one of their smaller screens.

57. Trek Dynasty - May 30, 2009

53 to 54….

HUH ????? Sorry, I seemed to have misplaced my Universal Translator.

58. Hat Rick - May 30, 2009

Uhura’s role was critical. She was the one that caught the transmission about 47 Klingon starships destroyed at Rura Penthe. Without her confirmation of Kirk’s theory, Spock probably wouldn’t have signed on it (“His logic is sound.”) and Pike probably wouldn’t have ordered shields or red alert before exiting warp, meaning that the Enterprise could have been destroyed before Nero could have recognized its significance.

Uhura’s self-assertion was also critical. Without her confidence combined with her top-flight abilities, she would never have been able to secure a post aboard the Enterprise, as portrayed in the Starfleet hangar scene.

59. Romulan_Prncs - May 30, 2009

Well, I guess I just don’t see it, but hey, I think the guy who played Bones did an absolutely excellent job!!!

60. The Red Shirt Diaries - May 30, 2009

boborci- If you’re still on this thread I just wanted to say I just watched your blu ray Voyage Home commentary and it was extremely entertaining!
Was it you or Alex who who said he started watching TOS in syndication? The other said he did not start watching TOS till after ST 2,3 & 4.
Just curious since I really didn’t know who’s voice I was listening to.
Also one of you said that the phaser Chekov was using on the “Enterprise” was the third version in the film series when they were actually the Klingon phasers and communicators that were left from Kruge’s crew.
I wish you had some more commentaries on the other films.
Will you be on any of the TNG blu ray movie commentaries? Or hopefully on the “Future Begins” DVD/Blu Ray release!

61. Uhura - May 30, 2009

41 — Are you smoking crack? Did you see Uhura in the movie? Maybe you saw a different movie than the rest of us, because I am totally stunned by your take on Uhura in the movie. I can only hope that my daughter grows up to be like JJ’s Uhura in ST. You really are way off base here….get real!

62. Weerd1 - May 30, 2009

59- That we can DEFINITELY agree on. I think my only characterization problem was Scotty, though I attribute that to the script and not the actor. I think they made Chekov far MORE interesting than the original!

63. Romulan_Prncs - May 30, 2009

What I think really makes this movie so good is that it is able to impact people in different ways, one person takes away something that maybe someone else doesn’t. If we all took away the same exact things, then that would be a pretty darn boring movie….like Terminator Salvation :-)

64. Raphael Salgado - May 30, 2009

Perhaps Anthony should come up with a chart or graph on a future post to show how all 11 Star Treks did domestically after a certain period, factoring in the cost of inflation.

65. Romulan_Prncs - May 30, 2009

#62 – I thought the same thing (about Chekov)! Really, a great cast all around. Urban’s portrayal of Bones was a tribute to DeForest Kelly.

66. Brian from OR - May 30, 2009

The one thing I would have liked to have seen is Uhura being alittle bit more involved during the end battle between the Jellyfish and the Narada. Its a great moment when the Enterprise warps out with phasers blazing destroying the Narada’s missles. In my mind Uhura picked up the communcations between Spock and Nero and had Sulu warp them to Spock’s location. Even though she does say she would would be montiering him before leaving the transporter. It would have been nice to see her actually doing something during that battle. Besides leaving the transporter room and then running with McCoy back to the transporter room after Kirk,Spock, and Pike are beamed back aboard.

67. ajd - May 30, 2009

AC: “ajd, nero wanted revenge on spock. he wanted him to see vulcan die like he did romulus in the original timeline. thats his motivation.”

Yeah, I get that…but there would be no need for revenge if he just warned Romulus of the impending doom that would occur in 100 years…I mean, c’mon…the only critique of this film is that they did not flesh out the villian at all (Khan had an existing backstory which explained the depth of his need for revenge…Nero’s backstory was a blur). And I realize a lot of that was edited out for time, so I look forward to the dvd release.

I have read several critics who gave the movie a good endorsement but have pointed out the same issue, so I know it isn’t just me. This does not make the movie less enjoyable…just a little less interesting from the antogonist view. “Classic” trek always took the time to allow the viewer to empathize with the bad guys…even the Borg.

68. Romulan_Prncs - May 30, 2009

#66 – Now THAT would have been awesome! Get some women kickin’ some butt!

69. Romulan_Prncs - May 30, 2009

I thought it was pretty funny that Starfleet would make Kirk a Captain right away. So the flagship now has a 17 yr old helmsman and a 25 yr old Captain, etc! All those other men waiting in line for the prime commission of the Enterprise, well s*rew them, Kirk had one great save so he gets it :-) Why do all Star Trek movies have to end in such a corny way? The end reminded me of the end of Undiscovered Country without the speech!

70. Joelist - May 30, 2009

I wonder where the whole “150 million to promote” thing came from? Specific source links would be nice, as that number sounds insanely high.

I had heard it was 150 mil to produce and 50 mil, not 150 mil, to promote.

71. Weerd1 - May 30, 2009

67- not that the novelization necessarily counts, but there’s a great scene in the book I hope makes it to the DVD where Ayel (the Romulan first officer) says the same thing to Nero. Nero however has gone mad, and says he will see full vengeance on as many Federation worlds as possible and then return to Romulus as conquerors. Also, if you read countdown, you see Nero blames the Romulan government as much as anyone else. Nero knows he’s got more than a century, and in his twisted mind wants to impose his will on the surviving Federation before dealing with Romulus. Kind of echoes Khan refusing to walk away from Kirk when Joachim suggests it (“He tasks me! And I shall have him!”).

Perhaps it’s a weakness in the film that you don’t get the motivation clearly without the supplemental material, but it is there I think.

72. Hat Rick - May 30, 2009

69, Kirk also is the kind of man who would save the universe a number of times, even though (it was “another life,” to use Nero’s words).

Spock Prime and Captain Pike probably insisted that he be given command — each for his own reasons. Spock Prime, because he knew the kind of man Kirk was from his own timeline and because he knew that Spock Alternate and he would make the best possible team; and Pike, because he saw in Kirk qualities that the Starfleet had lost.

If a man you knew to be from the future told you that an officer you already knew could command a starship would one day save the universe again and again, wouldn’t you want to give that officer as early a chance as possible to do so?

Kirk, as a junior officer, was already a captain (in the sense of top commander of the Enterprise) — made so via field promotion. As captain, he had already saved the Earth and the Federation from certain destruction. All that was missing was a few years of experience and the actual rank of captain. Starfleet could do a lot worse than to grant him the actual rank he had already proved he deserved.

73. ajd - May 30, 2009

Thank you Weerd1!

Now that explains it all a little better. Now I can breath normally again!

74. Weerd1 - May 30, 2009

73- Doctor Weerd1, here to help breathing, heart rate, and general Trekkedness! You should hear my take on the Kelvin having 800 people! ;)

75. Romulan_Prncs - May 30, 2009

#72 – Hey, it’s Star Trek, anything can happen. And I do buy the whole elder Spock convincing the PTB to make Kirk a Captain b/c he’s destined to save the universe several times over. But ,if he lets everyone know he’s from the future and tells them what is going to happen so they can prevent it from happening (like, you better get some humpback whales but quick) wouldn’t that be going against the prime directive? HaHa…..now I know I need to go to sleep, that was just bad ;-)

76. I Am Morg Not Eymorg - May 30, 2009

4: boborci:

Classic. :)

77. Romulan_Prncs - May 30, 2009

Damnit Weerd1, you’re a chat room person, not a Dr.!

78. Romulan_Prncs - May 30, 2009

#74. The Kevin must have had more than 800 people….not everyone survived, that’s just the # of people that were saved, right?

79. Romulan_Prncs - May 30, 2009

Kelvin, not Kevin!

80. The Deep Vertical Line between Sharnsrs - May 30, 2009

74 Weerd1- PLEASE give me your take on the much smaller Kelvin having 800 crew when the much larger Enterprise has 430+.
That one has been bugging me and I’d love to hear your rationale.
Splain Lucy!

81. Weerd1 - May 30, 2009

Ah- but see I think (and others have said they said this too, and if I did unconsciously steal this I apologize) the Kelvin was prepping for a long deep space tour. Rather than bounce back to Earth, they were going to set up a colony with Starfleet crewmembers’ families near enough for shore leave. The planet (which the Kirk family would bounce between as they took different assignments)? Tarsus IV… Can you not imagine the Kelvin arriving the day after the Kodos massacre in the Prime universe? Robau would not be pleased…

No, I am not a doctor. Nor am I an escalator, moon shuttle conductor, bricklayer, or physicist.

82. Iowagirl - May 30, 2009

#21
- Blue, brown, hazel or crossed, Chris Pine has become James T. Kirk. -

Nope. Pine has become an alternative Kirk, which is also in accordance with Bob Orci’s explanation for the change of his eye-color.

Original Kirk has hazel eyes, period.

83. Carolyn - May 30, 2009

I would be so disappointed if Uhura flipped over the Kirk in the next movie. Zoe and Zachary look perfect together.

84. Dr. Image - May 30, 2009

So taking time out from my Star Trek movie re-viewing, I finally saw Terminator S. It was NOT bad at alll! Aside from a somewhat weak ending, it kept my wife and I on the edges of our seats. Great effects, performances.
But of course, Trek was, and is, better.

85. VOODOO - May 30, 2009

$200 million at the box office + #1 film of 2009 = Amazing.

It’s like the good old days when Star Trek was a big deal.

Kirk + Spock = Box Office

86. VOODOO - May 30, 2009

#16 Mike

In all fairness Rick Berman did a lot of very good things with Star Trek. My feeling is that after many, many seasons on tv and several movies the creative team just burned out…

It happens in every field. It was the right time for some new creative blood, but it’s not fair to blame Mr. Berman for all the bad things in ST and not give credit where credit is due.

87. Chris M - May 30, 2009

The news just keeps getting better and better! I’ve done my part to try and keep the numbers up here in Australia, seen STAR TREK 9 times!!!!!! :)

I’m tempted to go for double digits but i think 9 might be enough for me!

88. warptrek - May 30, 2009

Everyone keeps only mentioning Kirk and Spock. Remember, it’s the triumvirate of Kirk, Spock and McCoy that makes the dynamic work, although it wasn’t really that apparent in this first film. I ma sure they will play off each other a lot more in the second.
I really loved Karl Urbans portrayal of ‘Bones’ McCoy.

89. JohnWA - May 30, 2009

Nichelle Nichols’ portrayal of Uhura was appropriate for the 1960s. And I think Saldana’s new Uhura is appropriate for today.

The reason why Uhura came off as so docile and passive in TOS was because the Hays Code was still in effect. While originally designed for motion pictures, television networks adopted most of the production code’s censorship rules in the 1950s. The code prohibited the portrayal of “miscegenation” and whites being in a “subservient position to Negros.” Star Trek would eventually become one of the first television shows to break both of these rules (i.e. Uhura kissing Kirk, Uhura giving orders to white crew members). But even so, it had to do so carefully. For example, the kiss occurred under alien influence. They were also careful to make Uhura as non-threatening as possible.

Today, of course, we have the MPAA ratings systems. And the government generally takes a far more “hands off” approach to censorship than it did in the 1950s and 1960s. So, they can go much further. I thought new Uhura came off as intelligent and tough. That she has an attitude towards Kirk makes sense because she regards him as an annoying pest. This character is different from TOS Uhura. But I don’t think it was a negative portrayal at all.

90. Gavvo - May 30, 2009

Is this what’s going to be the talk of each Abrams sequel? “Who will Uhura ‘hook up’ with this time?”
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I would say this is more relevant than what colour his eyes are supposed to be.

91. Spock - May 30, 2009

“Nichelle Nichols’ portrayal of Uhura was appropriate for the 1960s. And I think Saldana’s new Uhura is appropriate for today.”

In other words, she’s easy.

92. Anthony Thompson - May 30, 2009

Zoe: I’m brainy (though some on this site may disagree), I’m geeky (no controversy about that), and I’m a bit of a bad boy! And I have muscles (in my dreams, at least)! So please drop Bob and give me a shot! : D

93. Chris Fawkes - May 30, 2009

@35

I know what you are saying and it would have added too much to the running time.

Perhaps if it were somehow established that he destroyed the hobus star once he got hands on the red matter too. That would leave the future intact for rimulus and earth as well.

As it is their will be no red matter in the future with Vulcan gone so when the hobus star does explode it will destroy earth anyway.

Then again perhaps older spock can get scientist working on a solution with 120 year head start.

94. Anthony Thompson - May 30, 2009

All joking aside, isn’t it rather sexist that nearly every interviewer asks Zoe what kind of guy she’s attracted to? How many interviewers have asked Pine or Quinto about their preferences in women?

95. DiDi - May 30, 2009

In other words, she can hookup, choose to be with whomever she wants without being considered “easy,” a whore, and she can be intelligent at the same time. Just like Kirk can.

96. OneBuckFilms - May 30, 2009

94 – I think it’s because there’s an audience who want that answer. Mostly female. But I guess it is technically sexist.

97. Charles Trotter - May 30, 2009

Congrats to Trek and its filmmakers on the movie passing the $200 million mark. First Trek to do it ever! Next target: $250 million! You can do it, Trek! :)

98. I Am Morg Not Eymorg - May 30, 2009

Go Trek Go!

99. Jim Nightshade - May 31, 2009

I just ordered the signed hardcover novel by clicking on the ad here on Anthonys site-hope that helps to support Trekmovie.com and the awesome reporting crew!
Hey no one told me that in the novel Archers beloved beagle re-appears!

100. Thomas Jensen - May 31, 2009

I’d like to see them continue the relationship with Spock & Uhura. It would create a reality for them, rather then just being a one-time thing just for the purpose of this movie. I thought it was rather touching.

And to see her with Kirk in some way in the next film wouldn’t honor the set-up in the present film. It would somehow cheapen it for me if she suddenly had the hots for Kirk.

101. nomad - May 31, 2009

#22: How do you fell about secular intolerance of intolerant religions?

102. nomad - May 31, 2009

Feel not fell. Duh. There should be a word for “Typos that you spot in the second between when you hit “send” and when your message disappears fom your screen.”

103. Jordan - May 31, 2009

soooo happy to see Trek doing so damn well. :)
I’d love to see Guinan in the next film… if anyone feels the same join my Facebook group! It’s called “JJ Abrams: Please cast guinan in the next star trek movie” LOL I’m serious! I’d love to get a TNG character in the sequel and the only “organic” way to do it, as Roberto and Alex mentioned, is for Guinan to show up… she’d be alive in that time period and she’d be aware of alterations in the timeline.

104. Muzzer - May 31, 2009

I just saw it for the 4th time, I cannot wait for the sequels!

105. afterace - May 31, 2009

seems I am the perfect guy for Zoe xD

106. CmdrR - May 31, 2009

Hollywood doesn’t tend to stick with relationships. (I know Spidey still loves Mary Jane, but in general it’s one movie one gal… unless you’re Bond then it’s ten gals.) So… I wouldn’t be surprised if things cool off between Zpock and Nuhura.

107. TK - May 31, 2009

Am I the only one not sure about the spock/uhura thing? My impression from TOS on the whole was that Spock was uber vulcan in the early years/during pike years, but then “loosened up” as he spent time with Kirk&co. I’d imagine that Spock, basing his action on logic, and knowing his marriage is fixed, would not venture into a relationship that will not be fullfilled (in the sense that they will have to split up at some point), unless both parties were ok that it was only going to be a fling.

I think a character is more attractive if he/she needs comfort but doesn’t allow himself to get it. In TOS, both Kirk and Spock had a little bit of that going on (sure they had flings but no real relationships) So, giving spock a gf in the movie has had an ironic effect on me that I care less for him compared to Nimoy Spock in TOS, who, may be, needed someone but didn’t allow it to happen. At least that was my interpretation of what was going on. So, it was only when the spores affected him or some such rare incided that we saw the “human” side of him.

I really enjoyed the movie, but that relationship really put me off a little bit (and the characterisaton of Spock)….even knowing that this was an alternative universe…. there, I’ve said it!!

108. Holger - May 31, 2009

5: “It’s a great film and is dong extremely well. I’m excited, Trek fans all should be.”

Blah blah blah blah blah

I’m excited when I watch a movie that excites me and not when you tell me to.

109. Author of The Vulcan Neck PInch for Fathers - May 31, 2009

I loved the movie, but I must admit the Spock-Uhura thing was a little over the top for me, but hey, that’s not gonna keep me from the sequels. I frankly think it made Uhura’s character a little one-dimensional, and they certainly implied she was playing “sexual politics” with Spock when she griped about her assignment to the Farragut.

$200M in 22 days for a Trek movie? Pardon me while I go out and check to see if the ground is exceedingly warm….if you get my drift.. The younger Trek fans here might not appreciate what an astonishing milestone this is for a Trek movie. The first Trek movie 30 years ago fed off anticipation of the franchise coming back to life, but faded due to negative reaction, and no subsequent movie quite captured the public imagination the way this one has. Great times!!!!!

-ATVNPF, aka Dave…

p.s. got the soundtrack album, too, and it just doesn’t do much for me. The Goldsmith/Horner legacy is pretty heavy legacy to overcome, though…

110. Holger - May 31, 2009

7: “thrilling action sequences, rapid pacing, great effects, and overall fun factor”

If that’s what you expect of a movie what’s your deal with Star Trek anyway? Any action blockbuster has that, contents and story don’t matter.

111. MC1 Doug - May 31, 2009

#3: Kirk has brown eyes (or hazel) going to blue?

You could tell that with the way the camera went all over the place, not sitting still for 30 seconds?

… well, here’s the poop. JJ Abrams, Bob Orci and Chris Pine are all big fans of the song “Don’t it Make My Brown Eyes Blue.”

Um, who cares? Get real, guy!

112. luke montgomery - May 31, 2009

#8
“#3. Dude, you got a man crush on Kirk on something? I have been watching Trek for 30 years and can not tell you off hand what color eyes Kirk has. I am not into guys like that.”

So what if he did have a man crush on kirk? I’m gay. I do. Big time. Deal with it my heterosexist friend.

113. MC1 Doug - May 31, 2009

#35: Yes, it is addressed in the book, but it’s pretty obvious in the film too.

Nero is mad… the loss of his wife and planet pushed him over the proverbial edge.

BTW, I heard the DVD is going to color correct Chris Pine’s eyes to match Shatner’s… his tattoo too (what? you didn’t know Shatner has a tattoo of the Enterprise on his back???)

114. Raphael Salgado - May 31, 2009

http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/series/StarTrek.php

Take that, Berman and Braga!!!!

115. Captain Kathryn - May 31, 2009

#3
I didn’t even realized Kirk’s eyes were brown until I saw it in the Star Trek- The Motion Picture”. I was an original Trekkie, even though I was 11 when it debuted in ’66. The color TV’s weren’t the sharpest then. But it seems that I recall they always had a hazel tone to it. So to me they mostly looked bluish – hazel. I don’t think it really matters just as long as the other features are compatible to Shatner’s. Hair color, cockiness, flamboyantness, and charm. Pine has picked up on Shatner’s mannerisms more than he cares to admit. Anyway the eyes don’t bother me anymore than Urban’s brown eyes as compared to Kelly’s blue eyes. Urban has his mannerism’s down pat. And that’s what is important. Now if you ask me about Yelton, well, I am sorry, but he just doesn’t cut it-period!

116. MC1 Doug - May 31, 2009

Why should anyone be shocked that Spock is having a relationship with a human female? Ever hear the phrase, “Like father, like son?”

(though I still have a problem with the prolonged kiss on the transporter pad just prior to Kirk and Spock beaming over to the Narada)

#84: “So taking time out from my Star Trek movie re-viewing, I finally saw Terminator S. It was NOT bad at alll! Great effects, performances. But of course, Trek was, and is, better.”

— I also saw “Terminator – Salvation” last night five friends (we all agreed about our verdict too). Enjoyed it a lot. Seriously, a lot! It has great effects, great characterization (loved the Marcus character– don’t think we are done with him either), chills, action and great acting… in fact, Anton Yelchin steals the movie, says me!!! and it a rather intriguing moral twist and satisfying story. I also liked the way it paid homage to T1 & T2 (more on that in a spoiler at the end of this posting).

TS is not quite as good as T2, but close (I didn’t see T3– so no comment there).

In fact, I don’t quite understand the hostile reception it has been getting from T-fans or the critics. I enjoyed it immensely and recommend it (but like Dr. Image said, “TREK is better!”).

Also, I asked one of the workers at the theater and he said TREK is STILL doing great business (like we didn’t already know that).

(TS spoiler below… so stop now if you don’t want to know this detail)

How did they get Ah-nold’s image as a Terminator in the film? Great digital effect, if that is what it was!

117. artjava - May 31, 2009

Response to ajd who writes -

35. ajd – May 30, 2009
First off, I loved the movie…so this is a minor issue I suppose.

MY ONLY BEEF:
If Nero went back in time, couldn’t he have just alerted the Romulans of the future Sun issue rather than go after Vulcan? Perhaps his motivation is better addressed in the book (which I will be reading soon) or in the deleted scenes. But it is an annoying point of contention…

Any thoughts out there?

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Perhaps the reason Nero could not prevent Romulus from being destroyed is the same reason that The Time Traveler in 2002 film adaptation of H.G. Wells classic The Time Machine was unable to go back in time to save his fiance – his motivation for building the time machine was to prevent his fiance from dying, so no matter what he did to change the past, his fiance still died, because if she hadn’t died he wouldn’t have built the time machine in the first place. So if Nero were to travel to the past motivated by the destruction of Romulus, perhaps he knew there was nothing he could do that would save Romulus, because it would create this same sort of paradox. — Just my theory.

118. AJ - May 31, 2009

117:

That was one of two major plot-holes for me. Why didn’t Nero go home to Romulus? He and his crew could have started new lives while the Narada sat in long-term parking for 25 years.

Also, why is Kirk the only one who was able to warn about the second ‘storm’ in space? The seven morons who warped their ships to Vulcan without so much as a discussion of historical precedent vis-a-vis “space storms” don’t seem to be the brightest bulbs on the Starfleet tree. It didn’t even occur to Pike, who wrote his dissertation on the Kelvin Incident.

I realize the scene where the fleet warps to Vulcan has great dramatic impact, but we nitpicky types will always have two extra cents.

The film is wonderful.

119. VZX - May 31, 2009

Umm, wow! I can’t believe that people care what color Kirk’s eyes are! Really! It is people like these that give Trek fans a bad reputation. I am completely embarrassed for them and me as a Trek fan for them to state this. I would not be surprised if the mainstream media grabs a couple of these quotes and puts them in an article to make fun of Trek fans.

Really, people! I think Bob Orci was also making fun of you with his pseudo-explanation, and I don’t blame him. The real reason Kirk has blue eyes in this movie is cuz its a different actor! That is all, no other explanation is needed! Dang, I’m done, but still embarrassed.

120. Weerd1 - May 31, 2009

107- Hi TJ. If we look at the earliest episodes chronologically in TOS, we get “The Cage” and “Where No Man Has Gone Before.” The two pilot episodes really. In “The Cage” we see Spock smile openly, deliver lines dripping with frustration, and shout famously, “THE WOMEN!” In WNMHGB, the opening scene is Kirk and Spock playing chess, and Spock rather arrogantly announcing how unencumbered by emotions he is- until Kirk beats him. Seeing Spock’s face, Kirk asks, “Are you sure you don’t know what irritating is?” Spock also is very willing to whack Gary Mitchell whom he immediately perceives as a threat. Then, skip ahead only two episodes, and you get “Charlie X” where Spock looks rather bemused while playing his lyre and Uhura sings and flirts with him. Indeed, check out these lyrics:

“Oh, on the Starship Enterprise
There’s someone who’s in Satan’s guise,
Whose devil’s ears and devil’s eyes
Could rip your heart from you!

“At first his look could hypnotize,
And then his touch would barbarize.
His alien love could victimize…
And rip your heart from you!

“And that’s why female astronauts
Oh very female astronauts
Wait terrified and overwrought
To find what he will do.

“Oh girls in space, be wary,
Be wary, be wary!
Girls in space, be wary!
We know not what he’ll do.”

Is she just being ironic, or is there a bit of pained truth behind those words?

Now, we know objectively Spock was different early on because the writers on TOS had not narrowed down his character yet. The explanation has come to be that Spock develops his emotional control better later in the series- to the point of trying for Kohlinahr in TMP. So, the slightly more emotional Spock here I think fits the time period very well, and the Spock/Uhura relationship may not be without precedent. I do NOT think she should get her Kirk on in the next film though, even if they decide to halt the Spock relationship. And yes- I agree the next film needs a bit more of the triumvirate. I don’t want to see the other four reduced to background scenery, but a good ST:III or ST:IV style balance would be cool. Just my opinion.

Think about it though- when was the last time fans got to talk so in depth about TOS? This movie gets my vote for that alone.

121. Kirk's Girdle - May 31, 2009

RE: 3

Strangely enough, Shatner’s bio lists his eyes as “grey”, although most people customarily consider them to be hazel, which usually incorporates shades of brown and green.

122. T'Leba - May 31, 2009

67: Nero has gone mad, so he is not thinking rationally.

94: I agree that the interview was sexist.

107: Spock did “loosen up” in some ways as TOS progressed, but he also tightened his control in other ways. Initially, in “The Cage” he smiled openly and wasn’t ashamed. He also, in the same episode, shouted, “The women!” In “The Man Trap” Spock pulled at his collar when Uhura flirted with him. This became uncharacteristically emotional as the show progressed and, of course, the character developed. However, he showed more sensitivity later on to the humans around him.

I agree, 107, that Spock wouldn’t start a relationship if he were bonded to T’Pring. It wouldn’t be logical or ethical. Since this is an alternate reality, whose to say that Spock is bonded. I have to believe he isn’t. It would diminish my love for the Spock character if he acted unethically and selfishly. Spock has always done what he feels is right for the good of the whole. There are, of course, moments when he is overcome by something.

I’m so GLAD to see Star Trek doing wonderfully. I was worried, initially, when the announcement came out that a new movie was going to be made. However, when Leonard Nimoy put his stamp of approval on the script, I put my faith in Mr. Nimoy’s assessment and wasn’t disappointed.

I loved Uhura in the movie. She was a strong, intelligent woman and got more to say than just, “Hailing frequencies open.” I’d love to know what Nichelle Nichols thinks of Spock and Uhura’s relationship in the movie.

As a long-time Trek fan, I wasn’t sure when I saw the trailer with Spock and Uhura hugging that I’d like it. After seeing the movie, however, under the tragic circumstances, I thought it was quite plausible, and I actually liked the pair together. Having Spock show his emotions in the transporter room with others watching seemed more of a stretch, although I’m OK with it now. With Spock believing he was going to die and not being able to tell the woman he loved — his mother (if the TOS version holds true here) — then it does possible that he wouldn’t want to miss the opportunity to express his love for Uhura before he died.

Some people have said the relationship was sexual, but I highly doubt that. It would be against Starfleet regulations for instructors to have those types of relationships with students. Additionally, Spock initially did not kiss Uhura when she kissed him. (Zachary Quinto played the internal conflict perfectly.) He was hurting and finally gave in — just a bit — to the comfort Uhura provided.

There is no doubt they had a student/instructor relationship; however, according to Nichelle Nichols’s biography, Uhura’s biography that Nichelle worked out with Gene Roddenberry had Spock as her mentor, and he and Uhura had a closer relationship than was filmed (although nothing sexual was implied). I see Spock as having spent a lot of time with Uhura outside the classroom, like teaching her the Vulcan harp — and all of the time was strictly platonic.

Anyway, I’d hate to see Uhura with anyone but Spock, now that the relationship has been established. Any other relationship would be distracting. Besides, I’m fairly confident when I say that many of us would like to see a further exploration of the relationship. As for Kirk, I’d like to see him with Carol Marcus, for example.

I can’t wait to see the sequel!

123. Kirk's Girdle - May 31, 2009

“So it Spock and Kirk can mix, they’d become my perfect man.”

Don’t let Uhura near the transporter controls.

124. sensor ghost - May 31, 2009

Going for the 7th time soon. Unfortunately that’ll probably be the last time since I think my theater is ending it soon xO

125. MC1701B - May 31, 2009

70. Do you think Kellogg’s put Star Trek on all those cereal and Cheez-It boxes for free? Have you the slightest idea what commercial time on the Super Bowl costs?

103. TNG is dead. Please mourn it, then get over it. The closest thing to a cameo you’re ever gonna get is those godforsaken “All Good Things…” uniforms the Kelvin crew were wearing.

126. AJ - May 31, 2009

125:

MC1701B:

“TNG is dead. Please mourn it, then get over it. The closest thing to a cameo you’re ever gonna get is those godforsaken “All Good Things…” uniforms the Kelvin crew were wearing.”

And ‘Ambassador’ Spock. Pretty major reference. ;-)

127. Mike - May 31, 2009

OMG! Enough with the eye color thing already, its not important at all. I love this movie everything about it is awesome(except the engine room)

128. Matias47 - May 31, 2009

3. The TOS Purist aka The Purolator – May 30, 2009
Kirk isn’t even supposed to have blue eyes. His eyes are brown in the show. Duh.

—–

4. His premature birth amidst the radiation of deep space affected his eye color.

I’m going to do something I’ve never done before –

Use an internet shorthand –

lol.

Thank you and good night.

129. Mike - May 31, 2009

The next movie should invlolve the planet eater, enough said.

130. Scott Hedrick - May 31, 2009

“As for poor Kirk, he will be left to his own while pining for Uhura. ”

Hehe…Kirk *Pine-ing” for Uhura…

131. Mike - May 31, 2009

purist shmurist, Your nitpicking about the dumbest possible things you can think of, dont you have anything better to do.

132. Matias47 - May 31, 2009

23: “250 million by next weekend!!??!! make it so!! everyone go see it again and again!!”

I’ll go along with that.

I wonder, is it possible to start hitting the other Trek websites and get a groundswell of people to go see it again?

Just curious. I happen to like it when experts are proven wrong and would like to see them get pummeled.

133. Rocket Scientist - May 31, 2009

119. VZX

Umm, wow! I can’t believe that people care what color Kirk’s eyes are! Really!

_____

Retinax, dude. Kirk is allergic to Retinax. The result of that reaction was a change in eye color.

It’s all canon. Excellent…

(I’m totally pulling your leg!)

134. Dunsel Report - May 31, 2009

#72: I do love the idea that Captain Kirk is fated to command the Enterprise no matter what. On the other hand, even if Spock is familiar with the excellence of the Prime Kirk, how does he know the Alternate Universe Kirk, with his fatherless childhood and bad habits, isn’t an inferior echo of the real one?

135. AJ - May 31, 2009

132:

I agree with Matias47. We need a “wave” of fans across the world to go see this thing again!

I’m going next week for no. 3!

136. Harry Ballz - May 31, 2009

Strap Mr. Berman to a chair, pry his eyes open a la Clockwork Orange and for 126 minutes force him to watch the new Trek movie while his captor whispers repeatedly in his ear, “this is what a GOOD movie looks like!”

137. Anthony Thompson - May 31, 2009

136.

But…I really missed all the technobabble! ;-)

138. TNC1701 - May 31, 2009

Spock + Uhura: If the next movie doesn’t keep that relationship intimate, at least keep them as friends in then next movie. If not Uhura though, put him with Christine. Either way, give him a gal!

139. I am not Herbert - May 31, 2009

Well, 1st time back here since seeing the movie on opening day…

Overall, I was disappointed. If they had spent as much time and effort on making a “Star Trek” movie as they did on planting “Star Trek” nods and Easter eggs, it would have been better IMHO.

I found myself frowning and shaking my head “no” WAY too much. =(

I AM glad that it is SO successful, and that there will be sequel(s)…
…but for me, too much has been sacrificed to get there.
“This is not your father’s Trek” certainly resonates with me! …and not in a good way. =(

They made it into “Mainstream Trek”. (Trek for Dummies, IMHO)

I prefer a Star Trek that doesn’t insult my intelligence to gain a wider audience.

140. AJ - May 31, 2009

139:

I am not Herbert:

Whew! That’s a loaded one. Star Trek was dumbed down into ‘splosions territory with DS9. It never recovered.

This film actually focused on characters, with good actors playing them. And what a difference.

141. I am not Herbert - May 31, 2009

I was really looking forward to seeing how the Spock/Uhura relationship played out! But again, was disappointed. We didn’t get to see anything about how it started or how it grew; only that there was a “history”.

What we did see: an openly and publicly pussy whipped Spock was totally RIDICULOUS IMHO.

So, YES the Spock/Uhura relationship NEEDS TO END. …or at least, become private and discreet, preferably secret / taboo.

142. Dunsel Report - May 31, 2009

#140 That’s absolutely right.

143. cd - May 31, 2009

#4 – boborci: I appreciate that you came up with an answer for that! >:>}

144. I am not Herbert - May 31, 2009

I love blowing stuff up as much as anybody!!! =D

There definitely is a place for that in Star Trek!!

…but machine gun style ship mounted phasers? WTF??!!!

…or blaster style hand phasers? WTF??!!!

145. JohnWA - May 31, 2009

136-

Why make him sit through somebody else’s movie? If you want to torture the man, just force him to watch re-runs of episodes he produced (beauties like Threshold and Sub Rosa for example).

On second thought, maybe that’s not such a good idea. Knowing Berman, he’d probably calmly fold his arms, look you straight in the eye, and say: “We’re very pleased.”

146. Troy - May 31, 2009

@140 AJ

Gotta disagree. This movie – like DS9 before it – has breathed new life into the franchise.

Sorry, but I’m a huge DS9 fan. I have to stick up for it. It’s still my hands-down favorite Trek-related _anything_ ever.

147. AJ - May 31, 2009

Troy:

DS9 went into self-preservation mode as soon as ratings toppled in season 4. The endless ‘Dominion War’ and the Hail Mary pass of bringing in Worf to pad the numbers couldn’t rescue it. There were some gems in there, but DS9 was the tipping point from up to down for BermanTrek.

VOY was thrown in to try and catch some strays, but boredom has a way of making viewers change channels…

148. cagmar - May 31, 2009

#139: “If they had spent as much time and effort on making a “Star Trek” movie as they did on planting “Star Trek” nods and Easter eggs, it would have been better”

I could not agreed more. Just because you have a parasite that looks like it was sloppily lifted from a previous Star Trek movie doesn’t make this movie true to Star Trek. The R2D2 contest, which I’d seen R2D2 in my first viewing (but which I couldn’t even enter because I’m in Canada) seemed like a bit of a slap in the face. I know it wasn’t JJ Abrams, and it is part of ILM’s style – but it was just the straw that broke the camel’s back for me.

Try this on for size: The reason they have some ridiculous McGuffin that is undefined and completely scientifically meaningless, based on nothing sensible or well-founded … is because Abrams likes to have red balls in his productions. What a joke.

149. SD - May 31, 2009

Eye colors are important for all those fanfic writers and artists out there that kept out churning trek things even when it was on hiatus. So yeah, we’re a little bit protective of the original with which we worked for decades :)

But as the characters are also different (and the new writers have their own style, so TOS stories are rather distinctive from Reboot stories), the question of eyes colors has died over this awesome movie and the great acting.

150. Weerd1 - May 31, 2009

I am of the mind DS9 was was the single best piece of television drama ever filmed… until BSG. My thanks to Ron Moore.

As much as I love DS9, it was only occasionally a fun adventure with a moral background like TOS. DS9 is better drama than the new film- but the new film may be better TOS.

151. gambler93 - May 31, 2009

personally, i’m glad they were able to make a fun movie that didnt require an over the top knowledge of the star trek universe. it was great to see how they were able to break away in a gentle way that will allow them to tell new stories and not have to follow preset story lines from mass of television & movies that came before. looking forward to a fresh approach to classic characters.

152. Jim Nightshade - May 31, 2009

I saw it again for the fifth time now,this time with my 20-something nephew-trek is still playing but not in as many theatres or as often-saw it at a 130 sunday matinee and was about 60% full for a smaller theatre not bad-they laughed and even applauded at the end-my nephew said it was even better than he thought it would be…

153. Troy - May 31, 2009

@150 Weerd1

I completely agree. You only need to see an episode like “In The Pale Moonlight” to see how great DS9 was. Unlike any other Trek, characters are actually forced to make difficult moral decisions, ones that had actual consequences and carried actual weight – the other Treks (as much as I enjoy them) are just bland/vanilla affairs in comparison. I love that it took chances, examined religious themes (not unlike Battlestar) and wasn’t afraid to show how other cultures would react (negatively) to the Federation – in fact this probably has more relevance now in a post-9/11 world. I don’t care if it defied Roddenberry’s ideals – it was brilliant.

@151 gambler93

I agree with you too. I can understand some fans’ frustrations with the new movie, but freeing up the continuity will probably be for the best. It’s not like they aren’t going to be still writing books/comics/what-have-you set in the Prime Universe anymore. If anything, it opens up more possibilities.

154. MC1 Doug - May 31, 2009

I was just talking online with a friend who I served with in Kuwait in 2006-06. Now I thought I was bad seeing the film four times now, but he has seen it 22 times!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can anyone in here top that?

Zoiks!

Methinks he likes the film (grin).

155. Hat Rick - May 31, 2009

22 times?

Now, that’s a fan!

I’ve always had confidence in Trek.

I hope that the next Trek movie will be as inventive and dynamic as this one. Perhaps it could add elements of mystery and intrigue to the adventure and action evident in this one. At the risk of incurring the ire of those who see Trek as exclusively intelectual, I think that the next movie should also have the significant involvement of space battles and similar spectacles. Further, there should be a cliffhanger at the end of it — leaving the audience wanting more.

Imagine this: Kirk and crew embark on a journey of exploration. They meet and make friends with a new civilization by helping them achieve peace with a traditional enemy, only to come home to a Federation in utter disarray: The Klingons have launched a surprise attack. Intrigues and mysteries abound, but in the end, war is unavoidable. As the audience watches in horror, and despite the Enterprise’s participation and onscreen battles galore, the Federation has clearly lost. Kirk, on an impulse, seeks help from his new friends. He believes they owe him a favor in return for what he has done for them. But when he returns, there is nothing there. Contacting Starfleet for guidance, he receives no response.

The last scene is of the Moon, spiraling crazily around the orbit where the Earth used to be.

The Enterprise is utterly alone.

156. Paulaner - May 31, 2009

Uhura in ST09 is an intelligent, smart and confident girl. I was impressed about her.

157. Paulaner - May 31, 2009

#110 “If that’s what you expect of a movie what’s your deal with Star Trek anyway? Any action blockbuster has that, contents and story don’t matter.”

Contents and stories in the last movies were quite lame ;)

158. S. John Ross - May 31, 2009

I’m really amazed that people would care about the eye color. And I’m not generally amazed by the antics of my fellow Trekkies; I’m pretty well used to us by now.

#155: “At the risk of incurring the ire of those who see Trek as exclusively intelectual, I think that the next movie should also have the significant involvement of space battles and similar spectacles.”

I’m all for that; I just want a movie that’s more than half of Trek. I think a Star Trek movie can be a spectacular, sexy action-comedy-drama romp AND have the things that this movie lacked: a brain, a heart, heroism, humanism, determinism … It can be done.

How do I know this? TOS already did it. Time to live up to the trademark.

Of course, if half-Trek makes millions, half-Trek is all the studio will ask for, so …

159. Paulaner - May 31, 2009

#158 “…the things that this movie lacked: a brain, a heart, heroism, humanism, determinism”

You didn’t see heart, heroism, humanism and determinism in the Kelvin sequence, Spock’s inner conflict, Pike’s actions and Kirk’s path toward his destiny? In my eyes this movie had them all.

160. Paulaner - May 31, 2009

#158 “Of course, if half-Trek makes millions, half-Trek is all the studio will ask for, so …”

This is insulting to the *millions* of non-trekkers who liked this movie. My girlfriend loved ST09. She cried for George Kirk and was excited about the characters and their fate throughout the movie. The *characters*, not the space battles. What else do we want? What is the real Star Trek for some of us? I really hope that future Trek will follow the path of ST09. This is a fresh and needed change.

161. Hat Rick - May 31, 2009

158, I must concur with 159.

(^^ Brevity is the soul of wit. ;-) )

162. Illogical - June 1, 2009

Don’t know if this makes me a bad guy but I’ve seen several other movies in the last few weeks, but always purchased Star Trek tickets instead then slipped into the other theatre ;^)

163. S. John Ross - June 1, 2009

#159: “You didn’t see heart, heroism, humanism and determinism in the Kelvin sequence,”

Yes, that’s a fair point. Heart and heroism, granted, in the pre-title teaser (on the part of daddy Kirk, specifically and only). I felt in those moments (and for the very last time in the movie) a genuine emotional response, sniffles and all.

And had those elements survived past the shiny boom-boom rotating logo (into the shiny boom-boom feature that followed), I think it would have enriched the film considerably (and to be clear: I like this movie for what it is: a popcorn action-comedy rollercoaster thingy with some very fine acting racing by in it).

“[...] Spock’s inner conflict, Pike’s actions and Kirk’s path toward his destiny?”

Ugh, no, I did not. And any character having a “path” toward a “destiny” is a big part of the lack I’m referring to.

“In my eyes this movie had them all.”

But I notice you glossed past the “brain” ;)

164. Paulaner - June 1, 2009

#163 “But I notice you glossed past the “brain” ;)”

By “brain” you were meaning “cerebral” or “intellectual”, right? No, I don’t think this movie is cerebral. It’s emotional, more than cerebral. This is not a problem for me ;)

165. Holger - June 1, 2009

157 Paulaner: “Contents and stories in the last movies were quite lame”

That’s why I rate Nemesis the worst Trek movie so far and ST09 only the second worst.

166. Weerd1 - June 1, 2009

153- You know, a lot of people say it defied Roddenberry idealism, but I am not sure how. Imperfect human characters? TOS is full of humans who do the wrong thing, and come into conflict with people around them: Captain Tracy, Commodore Decker, T’Pring, Stiles (though he learns better), Kodos, The Captain in “Bread and Circuses,” etc. Some people cite Sisko’s decision in “In The Pale Moonlight.” Showing that even the loftiest of our ideals can be compromised by war (gosh, that sounds familiar) is a VERY Roddenberry lesson. Perhaps DS9 differs in that it used the main cast to teach these things and not expendable guest stars, but I submit the lessons themselves were right in line with what Gene tried to do.

And for anyone who hasn’t watched- just because there was a war does not mean the show was about war. It was about how people dealt with it. Since Star Trek is about the human condition, I am surprised there wasn’t an earlier incarnation dealing with war.

167. demetrius morrison - June 1, 2009

Uhura is one of my favorite ST09 characters before Kirk, Spock, and McCoy. ya digg??

168. demetrius morrison - June 1, 2009

dont get me wrong…..i like Scotty, Sulu and Chekov too, but they are not my top 4. dis movie a certified banger…..until Transformers 2 come out lol

169. S. John Ross - June 1, 2009

#164: “By “brain” you were meaning “cerebral” or “intellectual”, right?”

Nothing so lofty. I just meant “a story that made a lick of damn sense.”

170. S. John Ross - June 1, 2009

Oh, and it was very much a swipe at the dialogue, if we can even use that term for the words cut-and-pasted into the character’s mouths from better movies. This is, however, a case where I feel the actors really, impressively elevated the material (especially Greenwood; he could do a margarine commercial and I’d believe him utterly … of course, in a margarine commercial he’d probably have better lines).

171. Ryan - June 1, 2009

The thing I don’t understand about the people that are criticizing the new Trek movie is that they say the new movie is nothing but an ‘action movie’. Yet the majority of Trek movies are no different, they’re essentially action movies! I’d say the only ones that really weren’t were the Motion Picture and the Voyage Home, which was even lamer, it was a comedy!

It was always the SHOWS that were the ones with loftier ideas, that were about science and exploration and had much more on their minds.

172. Holger - June 1, 2009

171 Ryan: “Yet the majority of Trek movies are no different, they’re essentially action movies!”

I don’t think TSFS was an action movie, nor was TUC – maybe it was a thriller, but not an action flick. TFF had some poorly executed action, but it didn’t dominate the movie at all. GEN – not really an action movie, is it?

173. S. John Ross - June 1, 2009

#171: “The thing I don’t understand about the people that are criticizing the new Trek movie is that they say the new movie is nothing but an ‘action movie’. Yet the majority of Trek movies are no different, they’re essentially action movies!”

I agree (in general) with this, but the thing is, the original Kirk/Spock/McCoy movies made no pretense about returning to Trek’s roots, to re-igniting TOS itself. All of them were moving forward, and where they were moving, for better or for worse, was distinctly different from the TV show. In most important respects, I feel that Star Trek (the show) has _never_ made it to the big screen.

So, I don’t see it as contradictory to criticize the current film for being very heavily popcorn (unless you mean we should include a footnote every time to acknowledge that it’s true of most other Trek films). The difference is, this time, the film was being sold (at least in part) as an energized return to the roots, and costumes aside, it really is another kind of step forward, for better or worse (I vote “both”).

I’m one of those that think a great Star Trek movie – in the TOS sense, specifically – is achievable. I’d like to see it attempted someday.

174. Gul B. - June 2, 2009

#69 “I found it pretty funny that Starfleet would make Kirk a Captain right away”
They did it out of embarassment, because when Vulcan and Earth were in danger:
1. the bulk of the Fleet was in the Laurentian Sector doing whatever
2. they managed to get nearly all of the year’s Academy graduates killed at Vulcan
3. they found out too late that Vulcan’s and Earth’s defenses could be switched off easily, using a password every Starfleet captain knew (they couldn’t know about Nero’s earworm, but telepaths they knew before)

On top of this, Earth was saved by a maverick captain (he appointed a stowaway cadet Acting First Officer on a hunch) and a bunch of snot-nosed cadets and junior officers, consisting of: said stowaway, who was actually grounded for cheating in his exams; a Vulcan, who so totally lost it, he nearly killed somebody; a doctor who (temporarily) harmed his patient by infecting him with a disease; an engineer, whose most notorious previous achievement was dematerializing an admiral’s beagle; a scientist, who left her post on the bridge to make out with her lover – twice; a pilot who forgot to loosen the brakes and, finally, a minor, who should not have been sent into a dangerous situation anyway (or did he get a note from his parents: “Our son Pavel has permission to boldly go …”?)
- Hey, great idea for a sequel: ST:”Chekov gets legal” – it’s the day before his 18th birthday, and Mama and Papa Chekov have revoked their permission. So he (and the crew) have to wait until midnight to save the universe – DRAMA! -
So, when the bunch mentioned above saves Earth, Starfleet Command is so embarassed, they give everybody a medal, the captain a promotion to admiral, and the crew a ship and tell them: “Now fly away and let’s not talk about it again – not ever!” ;)
Btw, Kirk is 29 (he was 25 when he started at the Academy).
And yes, I liked the film.

175. Jon - June 3, 2009

The sequel should involve the mirror universe. It would be the perfect opportunity to involve Shatner and Nimoy in one last heroic farewell to the fans and the Star Trek legacy. Shatner would play the evil and older Tiberious; Spock would continue playing our beloved and knowledgeable Spock, but would be killed by the evil Tiberious at some point in the film. The climax of the movie would involve the young Kirk (Pine) in a death struggle with the evil Kirk (Shatner)…in a scene where the young Kirk is successful in redeeming and turning around the evil Kirk…who would subsequently die…in some effort of genuine sacrifice for the Enterprise and her crew. It would be moving and engaging! Bring it on, Paramount!

176. S. John Ross - June 3, 2009

#175: “The sequel should involve the mirror universe”

I’m not entirely sure we aren’t already there.

177. Pat - June 3, 2009

I would have preferred it if in this particular new universe that Spock had a relationship with “Nurse Chapel”…and where was she?

I thought Majel Barrett Roddenberry’s character(s) (remember she also played “number one” to Captain Pike) should have gotten a nod here.

178. Josh - June 3, 2009

I loved the movie, BUT, I think the writers interpretation of Spock sucked! Vulcans are apparently emotional and passionate, now? The story was simple minded and boring. If not for the special effects and my love for those characters, I wouldn’t of liked the movie. Why do they always feel the need to write down to the audience. It took me YEARS to fully understand the quick witted dialogue of Star Trek II. Making the plot tough is what Trek is all about. How about a thought provocative plot!?

179. Josh - June 3, 2009

I really enjoyed the subtle nod by Abrahms toward inter species relationships. (i.e. Scotty and the little alien dude). Talk about Trek at its best. Also, I totally agree about the Kirk eyes point. How could you have a captain who doesn’t have Green eyes! Uhura should totally bang the little rock dude on the tranporter platform. Then scotty can get jealous and wipe her memory in an homage to the original series. They will have to retrain her mind, of course, but in doing so they’ll change her first name to Idoya. Idoya Uhura.

180. demetrius morrison - June 6, 2009

as i read about the original series…. u know how during the original series, the dynamic trio was Kirk, Spock, and McCoy? it should be Kirk, Spock, and Uhura for the upcoming movies

181. demetrius morrison - June 7, 2009

if the sequel going to do a Kirk-Spock-McCoy trio, i hope Uhura going to be a part of it so that way this Uhura can have more shine than she did in TOS.

182. demetrius morrison - June 8, 2009

i meant in this new movie my bad lol

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