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Simon Pegg: Star Trek Sequel Script Is “Amazeballs” + Bob Orci Talks Fan Feedback [UPDATED] February 24, 2011

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Orci/Kurtzman,ST09 Cast,Star Trek Into Darkness , trackback

Time for another update from Simon Pegg, Star Trek’s new chief engineer. Following up from yesterday’s comments about the state of the movie industry and franchise films (like Trek), today Pegg clarified and offered the inside buzz on the sequel script, coining an interesting word. Plus producer/co-writer Bob Orci has commented on the importance of fan feedback.  

 

Pegg: Star Trek ‘Amazeballs’

Yesterday TrekMovie and others reported on Simon Pegg’s twitter comment about Star Trek being "absolutely the result of execs favouring familiarity" along with linking to GQ the article "The Day the Movies Died". Today Pegg clarified his comment with the following very positive tweet about the upcoming Star Trek sequel:

As we know, Bob Orci and Damon Lindelof are currently trying to wrap up the first draft of the Star Trek sequel script. It is unlikely that the script has been sent to any of the actors, so Pegg’s "word on the bridge" is probably related to feedback from the creative team behind the film.

UPDATE: Pegg confirms he hasn’t seen script

Some sites took Pegg’s tweet as confirmation that the Star Trek sequel script is finished and he had seen it. On Monday Pegg sent out yet another clarifying tweet noting "Just to clarify, I have not seen anything of the new Star Trek script, I have just heard good things from HQ",


Pegg is "amazeballs" excited about Star Trek sequel

Orci talks fan feedback

In our recent update on the Star Trek sequel, TrekMovie conveyed a question from Bob Orci and Damon Lindelof about what to call the deflector dish. The article has spawned hundreds of comments in just a couple days, but some question if they are really listening. Orci answered that earlier today saying:

boborci: Thank you all for commenting! truly appreciated. to those who cynically think we are asking dumb questions, let me say that, although u r right that we may have a pre-formed opinion before we ask, we also value input, can change our opinion, and learn from the variations in responses.

Orci also revealed that the team have already worked the name of your humble editor in the Star Trek script. Could I be the name of a red shirt, or a planet, or maybe a horrible infectious disease? I can’t wait and am deeply honored.

Orci also noted TrekMovie community feedback about the recently passed Del Trame (aka TrekMovie commenter British Naval Dude), saying they he will "keep British Naval Dude in mind" and that he "remembers him fondly".

 

New TrekMovie.com Sequel logo

Based on some fan feedback, TrekMovie is trying out a new logo icon for this Star Trek sequel article. The art is courtesy of TrekMovie reader Stefan Chab. Feedback is welcome (or other ideas).


Stefan Chab’s take on a Star Trek 2012 promo symbol

Comments

1. Hugh Hoyland - February 24, 2011

It’ll rock, I’m sure of that! Cant wait to see it on the big screen.

2. Canon Schmanon - February 24, 2011

I’ve seen too many sequels suck to feel totally confident about Trek, but based on the first one, I’m not too worried, either. Hopefully, like Chris Nolan’s Batman films, the next one will be even better.

3. Dr. Cheis - February 24, 2011

I think “2012″ would have been better. Only one more character so you wouldn’t have to shrink the font down too much.

4. Son of Sarek - February 24, 2011

Fascinating that Star Trek 12 will be released in 2012! The 12 within the starfleet insignia is fitting.

5. DS9 IN PRIME TIME - February 24, 2011

I ABSOLUTLY LOVE THE LOGO THAT LOOKS SHARP!!!! Congrats Anthony on being named to the movie

6. Forrest - February 24, 2011

The only message i have for the writers and the producers is to have as much fun as possible in making the next film as it hopefully will be for the audience to enjoy. At the end of the end day, that’s what it’s about, as with any movie, including STAR TREK: a fun ride, the escapism, the thrill of taking us away from the ordinary of our lives into something extraordinary that was conceived and developed from your imagination.

If it’s not fun for you in writing and producing it then there’s no point in making the mofo.

7. Roobydoo - February 24, 2011

Re: 3

Might look good with the “20″ stacked on top of the “12″. Perhaps with “20″ in a slightly smaller font.

8. AJ - February 24, 2011

I am all for a reference to Del Trame in ST ’12. Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

9. Ben - February 24, 2011

Nice! Love the logo too. Congrats on the mention Anthony.

10. Sebastian - February 24, 2011

The excitement builds… very much looking forward to new Star Trek.
Leave it to Simon Pegg to find the perfect words to describe things! ;-)

11. DarthDogg - February 24, 2011

#1
Yes, as long as…

Uhura does not leave her station during every single crisis to “Check on her boyfriend”

There are no black holes that are only black holes until the script needs them to be time travel portals

Entire fleets are not destroyed in less then 30 seconds (the total time the enterprise stalled out and lagged behind the fleet)

kirk does not get promoted from cadet to super grand admiral

The enterprise isnt a beer factory

The enterprises interior (Huge) fits with its exterior details (smaller, same as TMP enetrprise)

there is no villan of the week hell bent on once again detroying earth for no reason whats so ever

Then yes, im sure it will rock!

12. jas_montreal - February 24, 2011

wtv man. I don’t think our opinions should matter in a pure art-form project. As Nicholas Meyer once said “art isn’t a democracy”.

You do what you gotta do bob. Don’t worry about us trek-fans.

13. Son of Sarek - February 24, 2011

489 days, or 70 weeks until launch! Anthony, will you resurrect the countdown clock?

14. GarySeven - February 24, 2011

I am sad about British Naval Dude. I wonder what happened. He was so young, it’s a tragedy.

I agree with #11. #12 put it too harshly but let’s hope there is no more gigantic blows to the heart of Trek like the destruction of Vulcan. Jeez.

Keep the fun, just make the next one a little smarter, deeper, and kinder. Fingers crossed.

15. Harry Ballz - February 24, 2011

If they allude to Del Trame (British Naval Dude) in the sequel, will that mean the movie is Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr-rated?

16. Schiefy - February 24, 2011

Maybe a Mayan temple behind the logo might be appropriate too–after all, you need a little Armageddon to sell a few more tickets! :-D

17. Gabriel Bell - February 24, 2011

Pascale: well deserved!!!

18. THX-1138 - February 24, 2011

#8

I’m with you, matey. Puttin’ BND in yon Trekky filmy be obvious to a bonke knerck such as me.

19. Roobydoo - February 24, 2011

BTW I’m hoping to see the Enterprise execute a Pascale Maneuver in the film.

20. Son of Sarek - February 24, 2011

Or perhaps an Admiral Pascale from a Starbase.

21. Michael Hall - February 24, 2011

“Pegg: Star Trek ‘Amazeballs’

Sorry, Mr. Pegg, but as a Scotsman once put it, “Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. . .”

22. Bill Peters - February 24, 2011

The Ghostbusters omage was good but this new one is intersting but keep working on it.

23. Henry Blake's Plane - February 24, 2011

I really like the new logo. It looks great.

24. Hat Rick - February 24, 2011

The new logo is very good — thanks, Anthony.

I’m sorry to read of the passing of a TrekMovie regular, and at such a young age. My deepest condolences to those who knew him.

Star Trek is about hope for the future. Let us not forget the past as we move forward into it.

25. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - February 24, 2011

Thanks Bob for reading my post in getting BND into the Movie. We all here really thank you for that. Also. If you put Anthony Pascale’s name into the movie. Make him a red shirt. We all know what happens to red shirts. Arrrrrrr

26. Gapaxbr - February 24, 2011

I wanna be in the movie! You dont even have to pay me! In fact ill pay you! lol

27. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - February 24, 2011

Hey Anthony. I do like the new logo. I think Bob Orci and the Court should use that for the Movie poster.

28. chris - February 24, 2011

I’m glad they finished the script. I was scared when there was still so much up in the air… I used to write and usually by the end I would hate my own story. I wish we could get Orci thoughts on how he felt immediately after they were finished. I really hope its an exploration story. Ok signing off because I’m sleep rambling.

29. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - February 24, 2011

One things is certen. It is great to have writers of Star Trek come to the hard core fans like us and ask our advice on Trek. I don’t know of any other writers of any other franchises that would do that. Not Star Wars and not Harry Potter or anything. Thank you Bob for letting us crazy Trek fans on Trekmovie be a small part of the movie.

30. Hastur Lovecraft - February 24, 2011

the logo is fine…just this time…unlike Trek 11…make a Star Trek movie,and kill that jar jar thing that follows Scotty around.

31. DJT - February 24, 2011

Amazeballs!

nice.

32. Trekprincess - February 24, 2011

Looking forward to the sequel :)

33. Let Them Eat Plomeek Soup - February 24, 2011

I only became a Trekkie last December, and I’ve got to admit that this has got me really hyped! my entire family thinks I’ve got crazy because Trek is the only thing I think/talk about now, but until I see this movie next year, I swear I will not shut up.

I only have one wish for this next movie:

Please, PLEASE put Christine Chapel in there!

34. keachick - February 24, 2011

Everyone seems a little obsessed with “balls”, “bulges” , “packages”…:) or is it just me? No. Don’t think so…

I will certainly be listening and watching for a Pascale and the British Naval Dude’s names in the next movie.

I don’t know what to call the whatsydoesit deflector thingy. All I care is that it works and does not interfere with some good, honest loving (nookie) scenes between Kirk and his Jasmia…(a gal can dream, s’pose). It really does not bother me that the Enterprise looks bigger further away than it does up close. LOL

I guess the engineering section should not look like a brewery. Anyway, I thought that I had fixed that – Kirk had Scotty do a complete redesign and refit of engineering, because of all the beer, scotch (Scotty), brandy (McCoy) etc that was being made and stashed. It was weighing the ship down… It was one of his first big command decisions, which did not make him overly popular among some.

So there it is, Bob Orci. All sorted. It should make for some *interesting* scenes…:)

35. Anthony Thompson - February 24, 2011

Amazeballs: Love it.

Logo: Pass.

Ensign Pascale: Your days are numbered.

British Naval Dude: That was very thoughtful and classy of Bob to take note of his passing.

36. Anthony Thompson - February 24, 2011

Speaking of ‘your days are numbered’, can we please have a countdown clock?

37. keachick - February 24, 2011

I love the blue of the logo – it reminds me of those gorgeous Chris Pine blue eyes! The background seems a little dark perhaps, but overall, very stylish!

Christine Chapel could be played by Olivia Wilde? unless there is already an actress playing Nurse Chapel. McCoy did call out to a Nurse Chapel in the Star Trek 09 film but we did not see her though.

38. Areli - February 25, 2011

I think the 12 will throw the non-fans off “WHY DOES IT SAY THIS?” not knowing STXII is the 12th film in the series.

But I love the logo! <3 The simplicity and the blue on black is just awesome.

39. AJ - February 25, 2011

14: GarySeven:

British Naval Dude died of a heart defect which required several operations over the years, the first being right after he was born. Apparently, 37 is considered a good run for individuals who are born with it. Definitely too short a time.

40. Admiral_Bumblebee - February 25, 2011

Aside from asking again to put William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy as Prime Kirk and Prime Spock intot he movie ;) I hope that the bridge of the Enterprise won’t look as sterile and hospital-like as in the first movie.

Also, please do not make the Enterprise bigger than the TOS-Enterprise. It simply doesn’t fit the ship to be as big as a Star Destroyer.

41. Jerry Modene - February 25, 2011

#33 – they did say Nurse Chapel’s name in the movie – when Kirk’s hands got big and McCoy called for her. We may have seen her, too – they never did say who that cute nurse was that Kirk said hello too when he first was taken into Sickbay.

42. MJ - February 25, 2011

ANTHONY — CONGRATULATIONS !!!!!

43. GarySeven - February 25, 2011

#39 AJ-
Thank you.

44. trekpower.org - February 25, 2011

in the first movie i was three times. alas, i am afraid i will have to rent an own cinema for a month for 12… :)) i also would love to be of some help for the script and i am very curious if the movie will really be influenced obviously by our – the fans – input. for instance in the case of khan or not khan and so on.

i only am very dissapointed about one thing:this team should have done the last next generation movie. even nemesis would have been so much bigger, molded by their hands!

45. captain_neill - February 25, 2011

As long as the script is strong in the sense of The Dark Knight and not a pile of horse crap like Transformers 2 then I will be there and love the film.

I have to accept that things are different now so best to go in with an open mind.

46. Q - February 25, 2011

This is going to be awesome. One more good film before the world ends. lol. Congratulations to Mr. Anthony on getting into the film! I think you’ll be the name of a horrible disease. lol.

47. Victor Hugo - February 25, 2011

So, this is to be a sequel to “SPACEBALLS”?

Let´s see the Enterprise travelling at “ludicrous speed” at last!

48. Christopher_Roberts - February 25, 2011

About that new avatar for Star Trek’s sequel. Perhaps just a number 2 inside the delta? ’12 is barely legible.

49. Christopher_Roberts - February 25, 2011

48. When I say barely legible… I mean as a tiny avatar obviously.

Among the Dept insignia inside the Delta, I do recall once seeing something that looked like this:-

π

Now that’s the symbol for pye. What I’ve never been able to work out, is what depart did that represent?

Why am I bringing this up? Well, it could work as a roman numeral… missing the bottom bar though.

50. P Technobabble - February 25, 2011

I’m guessing Pascale is the name of a ship.

51. VZX - February 25, 2011

Yay! I love movies that are “amazeballs”.

I wonder if Orci can work the word “amazeballs” into the script. That would be amazeballs!

52. chrisfawkes.com - February 25, 2011

You know, if the character moments between Kirk, Spock and McCoy are good through the film the story could be crap but people will still love it.

53. rogerachong - February 25, 2011

This is a good an fitting logo. However the graphic artist in me has to note that a lens flare addition will brighten up the logo and give it a more resounding “Wham” effect that will ge great. Do the alteration and resend it (this is easy in photoshop) big meeting this morning so I don’t have the time to do the rendering myself.

54. Do scotty properly or kill him off - February 25, 2011

Unless Pegg’s interpretation of Scotty improves in the next film, I would be happy for them to kill off this version of Scotty.

The character has become such a kluts and a comedic fool that he has no place on the Enterprise.

Everything, everyone else is fine, everytime the new scotty says something stupid I am taken out of the film and taken back to one of Pegg’s other stupid comedies. Keep that crap out of Star Trek or go find another job.

Logo looks good.

55. Holger - February 25, 2011

British Naval Dude is dead? My God! Somehow the news hadn’t reached me yet. This is very late, but still: RIP, BND. I’m shocked by the loss. We had a few very funny exchanges here.

56. Damian - February 25, 2011

54–I was ok with Pegg as Scotty, however I do agree they need to add more dimension to Scotty’s character. Outside the primary 3 of Kirk, Spock and McCoy, Scotty is probably next in line of most important character from the original series. Scotty always had a good sense of humor, however, he also was a serious engineer, a genius at his job, and had a tough as nails personality who had no problems telling ambassadors and commissioners to more or less screw off.

I think it’s important for Scotty to play a crucial role helping solve some crisis in the next film. (Maybe he can find the warp core in that maze of an engine room;).

57. Charla - February 25, 2011

# 33, # 44

Yes Bones did say Nurse Chapel which I thought was awesome because not seeing her, reminded me of the part Majel Barret played and I instantly thought of her when I watched the movie.

My bad, I almost forgot that scene with all the talk of the dish and everything else! (I had posted on another topic about having the last name of the nurse included-just showing my age I guess because I have watched ’09 countless times—)

Only people who have watched the series knew of whom Bones was speaking to, which was like an “Easter egg” for me and I’m guessing for other fans too. :)

That was a clever way of getting more of the old familiar characters in without taking away from the storyline of the movie!

58. Mel - February 25, 2011

I think the logo is too dark. It is practically completely black. I am sure the next Star Trek movie won’t be like the movie “Pitch Black”, so a lighter, brighter logo would be more appropiate.

59. trekprincess - February 25, 2011

I think people need to get used to these new films and enjoy them :)

60. Ran - February 25, 2011

@ 59

Or they can wait for the next reboot.

61. falcon - February 25, 2011

My two cents on BND – always witty but right on point. RIP and God bless.

Now, to the USS Pascale – this is what I hope it’ll be, not a redshirt or an incurable syndrome – it should be a survey ship in trouble, but NOT destroyed in the movie (good God, where does the Federation get all the money to build new ships, anyway?). The captain of the Pascale should take better care of his ship.

As to other names, yes, Bob, Alex, and Damon should find ways to work in names like: Trame (or Del Trame, if you prefer), Barrett, Chapel (if not the character herself), Pausch, Jemison, Slater, Coon, Fontana, Gerrold, and heck, why not even Solow and Freiberger? (Not to mention some mysterious “Feinberg” device.) And for ship names, definitely need to find a way to work in Challenger and Columbia, if not Discovery, Atlantis and Endeavor. And as a nod to current events, why not the Tripoli and the Cairo?

62. Christopher_Roberts - February 25, 2011

54. While I wouldn’t go that far, Pegg’s Scotty is more bumbling a character than he was in The Voyage Home or Final Frontier. Refering to losing Admiral Archer’s beagle. The bit where he’s beamed into the water pipes. Scotty could be a very serious person and that made the odd comedic playful exchange with others in the crew, somehow special. “No tribble at all” sticks out in everybody’s memory but usually his sense of humour wasn’t all that broad.

63. Chief Engineer - February 25, 2011

54 & 56 – I would like to see Scotty make a character journey that sees him establish himself as third in command. Perhaps even sit in the chair and make some big decisions. Scotty should only really provide ‘moments’ of comedy. Those moments of comedy work even better if the character is established as being serious, hardworking and a genius. Which is how Doohan played it… the lighthearted moments he provided were some of the funniest moments… mainly because he built the foundations of the character. Hope Pegg is given the chance to show this.

64. falcon - February 25, 2011

@49 – That symbol was (IIRC) from the Franz Josef Technical Manual. I don’t believe it was ever seen on camera. The “pi” symbol could indicate some division like Applied Mathematics or Quantum Physics (both of which would be under Science anyway, so why not make them wear the interlocking circles?).

Agree the “pi” symbol could work as a sequel icon, but why not simply use the symbol for the astrological sign of Gemini?

Oooh, ooh, and make the story about a split personality – or maybe even an evil double – and a transporter accident – and …

… oh, wait, it’s been done. :-)

65. Zip - February 25, 2011

I think the new logo is fine, but the ’12 could be confusing to some readers, perhaps 2012, somewhere on, over or under.
# 22 Mind you, I also liked the GhostBusters II logo, There was not doubt what it was, and thats sort of the point.

66. Ran - February 25, 2011

@ 63

Agreed. Doohan was witty, Pegg was dumb.

67. Sci-Fi Bri - February 25, 2011

cool logo, Anthony. haters gonna hate.

68. Daoud - February 25, 2011

@63,66 Hmmm, a son of Doohan said that Pegg was great… and I think he knows of what he speaks. Plus, Pegg went to great length to have Scotty speak with a perfect Scottish accent.

Everyone keeps forgetting two things, which Pegg *didn’t* forget:
(1) This is seven years before the start of TOS.
(2) Lt Cmdr Scott has just been “serving time” for a YEAR running the engineering station at Delta Vega, with only Keenser for company.

He’s younger, and has spent a year in the icebox. Of course he’s a bit crazy at the start. By the end of Trek ’09, Scotty is right on track for the TOS era character we see later.

Plus, K/O&L could always synthesize that the transwarp beaming that Scott and Kirk were subjected to made them just a bit nutty…. perhaps that’s why it will be banned. McCoy might still have to “cure them”.

69. Charla - February 25, 2011

#68 Daoud, that is a great explanation and one that I had thought about as well.

I think most of us might admit to being a little crazy, carefree in our youth while still pursuing our goals? I thought he was right on as with the rest of the characters in the movie, we get to watch them grow into who we know them for in TOS.

70. Daoud - February 25, 2011

@11: Yanno, some of us fen spent the 70′s retconning everything that was discontinuous in the three seasons of TOS. Nothing in Trek 09 was irreconcilable. To wit from your bogey list:

Uhura does not leave her station during every single crisis to “Check on her boyfriend”
Uhura wasn’t the Communications Officer. She’s a much junior officer who came to the bridge with Kirk to inform Spock of the Romulan issue. The bridge isn’t her post, she was asked to stay there for something specific, which once gone…. she’s there at the liberty of the CO or XO.

There are no black holes that are only black holes until the script needs them to be time travel portals
Difference between an event horizon surrounding a black hole, which theoretically can have wormholes opening at that point…. creating a time-based wormhole of the type that sends Narada and Spock backwards in time and to an alt universe… and a black hole itself opening directly amid the Narada. The black hole itself is a point mass (which should be their true name!) which incorporates all mass outward to its event horizon, a function of the mass.

Entire fleets are not destroyed in less then 30 seconds (the total time the enterprise stalled out and lagged behind the fleet)
Only a few ships departed Earth, and considering the particle weapon the Narada had, it seems not unrealistic. Plus, “your mileage may vary”, so the Enterprise being an experimental ship, might not have been flying at full Warp. 30 seconds of film time could be hours, or even a day.

kirk does not get promoted from cadet to super grand admiral.
In the prime timeline, Kirk was an early admission to the Academy, and graduated at age 20. Here, he’s graduating at age 25. What we don’t know and can speculate is what he did for 5 years. I like to retcon that he was serving in the equivalent of the Merchant Marine for 5 years after high school. So he already had space experience on freighters and the like…. enough to justify some of his brevet.

Again, his current Trek 09 captaincy is clearly a brevet captaincy. One would suspect the same holds true for Spock holding commander rank. Both might be at the lieutenant paygrade.

The enterprise isnt a beer factory.
Yes, but humans need water, and water could be the best building block for replicators to create organics from it and carbon supplies. Water is the easiest coolant, superb radiation protection (the hull should be filled with it), and so… just let’s assume we weren’t in Engineering Control, but on the water storage and replicator processing level below. The Engineering Control modules might not have been ready to be installed until next Tuesday. Not unlike in Generations, when the Enterprise B was missing a few major ship’s systems.

The enterprises interior (Huge) fits with its exterior details (smaller, same as TMP enetrprise)
The Alt Universe Enterprise is conclusively 3 times large. Easy to retcon that after the 2233 Narada Incident, that Starfleet scaled up the Constitution Class project to create heavy, rather than light cruisers. (In the prime universe, from the Great Bird, we have 1701 described as a *light* cruiser.) If you want, let’s call the Altverse Enterprise a dreadnought. :)

there is no villan of the week hell bent on once again detroying earth for no reason whats so ever
No reason? Guffaw. Nero accuses the Federation of allowing Romulus to be destroyed. His retribution was to destroy Vulcan and Earth. That’s a pretty strong reason.

Then yes, im sure it will rock!
It already does. And it rolls, too.

71. CmdrR - February 25, 2011

Maybe a “BND” emblazoned where we can see it… for?

-Big Nacelle Design (BND=1701)
-Bifurcated Neutrino Dish
-Bones’s Neural Destabilizer

Some of us like the two finger sequel logo, btw.

72. Andy Patterson - February 25, 2011

Wow. Look at you Anthony. That’s cool. If I’m not mistaken…Pascale is Italian yes? The last Italian the show featured, I believe was D’Amato. Maybe Lee Meriwether could kill you in this movie. She’s still around. Still looks good.

“I am for you Pascale”

73. Brett Campbell - February 25, 2011

Sorry to hear about BND’s passing.

74. trekmaster - February 25, 2011

trek 12 in 2012!!

75. Star Trek: Voyeur - February 25, 2011

What’s Amazeballs is he loves a script that hasn’t been written.

He’ll be a great politician after his (fine) acting career.
Oh wait, they’re the same thing.

Love the logo, drop the apostrophe. After 2012 it won’t seem so dated.

76. ster J - February 25, 2011

Logo: I’d remove the apostrophe. This will be #12 in 2012, so it could stand for both!

I like the suggestion of a “Pascale maneuver.” Not enough Italians in Trek!

British Naval Dude: I didn’t know. Peace be upon you, Del.

77. captain_neill - February 25, 2011

I also hope no more iconic Star Trek planets get destroyed in the next movie?

78. Trek Nerd Central - February 25, 2011

I, too, missed the news of British Naval Dude’s death. His posts were hilarious. In fact, they were AMAZEBALLS.

Bless his soul, where e’er he may be. ARRRRGH.

79. Michael Hall - February 25, 2011

“In the prime universe, from the Great Bird, we have 1701 described as a *light* cruiser.”

*Sigh* No, we haven’t.

80. boborci - February 25, 2011

oh, ok, thanks for clarification! Scotty will not be sucked into space in first five minutes!

81. Shannon Nutt - February 25, 2011

@Daoud – I understand there are many fans for whom the “science” part of TREK is extremely important. But for me, I’d rather have an engaging, entertaining character piece anyday (which STAR TREK 2009 was) over a scientifically accurate one. Yeah, in the best of worlds we’d get BOTH, but the technical stuff is something I can look past if the story is solid.

82. VZX - February 25, 2011

#80: That would be amazeballs!

83. The First Son of Krypton - February 25, 2011

I sincerely hope Ensign Pascale is the first to die in XII :p

Also, on a personal note to Bob Orci. A while back you were talking about how you put a little of you into Spocks arc. Some advice you gave me has put me in fantastic stead as I get ready to see a script of mine be made into a low budget student film for University… Thank you, good sir :) Dean Hartley thanks you

Only one word can describe how awesome it is that British Naval Dude is being “kept in mind”….

Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

84. VZX - February 25, 2011

Y’know, what really amazeballs me is how could Pegg know anything about a script that isn’t finished yet? Is he just trying to save face after calling the first JJ Trek unoriginal and an example of execs just pushing familiarity?

Hmmm…Not too amazeballs after all.

BTW: If anyone should get sucked out of the airlock, it should be

85. somethoughts - February 25, 2011

Awesome logo!

Grats on being in movie anthony!

Cant wait for details/trailer!

86. Trek Nerd Central - February 25, 2011

80. Phew.

87. Randy8 - February 25, 2011

Nurse Chapel? Uhura? Oooh, Cat Fight!

88. SChaos1701 - February 25, 2011

Nice logo but I LOVED the old one.

89. Aurore - February 25, 2011

“….the new script is AMAZEBALLS…”

Let ME be the judge of that in 2012, will you? :)

But, for now,”amazeballs” is good enough for me. That and the last sentence of post 49 on another thread.

90. DarthDogg - February 25, 2011

#70
Sorry dude, your explanaitions hold little water for me. First, i was not attempting to be witty or even sarcastic. These are serious problems i have with the show. First let me be clear, that I can come up with many things that bug me about nearly all trek films, these things have never prevented my enjoyment of these films, and in fact, nitpicking continuity and other flaws have always been a fun part of being a trek fan for me. This film however, has more faults than any other film in the series.

Uhura does not leave her station during every single crisis to “Check on her boyfriend”
Uhura wasn’t the Communications Officer. She’s a much junior officer who came to the bridge with Kirk to inform Spock of the Romulan issue. The bridge isn’t her post, she was asked to stay there for something specific, which once gone…. she’s there at the liberty of the CO or XO.

Sorry dude but Uhura is a mess in this film. First of all, the somthing specific you mention, her big moment to shine, was to state that there are no communications of any kind. She never even had to translate romulan or do one single thing that mattered to this movie. Come on dude, am i to believe that a cadet is aware that 47. lets be clear hear, 47 seven, possably the entire klingon fleet is detroyed, a cadet knows this, but the captain of the flagship of the federation does not. Yeah right. Then later, when vulcan is being destroyed, and Spock is leaving the ship, he tells Uhura to coordinate mass evacuations of the planet. Lets be clear here. The planet is disentigrating by the second. Every second that Uhura could have spent following this order could have saved hundreds maybe thousands of lives. And what does she do. She leaves her station to check on Spock, her boyfriend. Delaying him as well the few extra seconds that would have prevented his mothers death. Yes thtas right. Uhura is a hack in this film that is personaly reponsable for many, many deaths by leaving her station during an EXTREME crisis. She has no place on the bridge.

I could tear apart your other explanations as well but im exhausted from this one. I stand by my original list
Thank you, peace out.

91. Minnesota Bruin - February 25, 2011

If you squint a bit, the new logo looks like it has a “42″ inside!

92. Chief Engineer - February 25, 2011

68 – as a Scot myself, I can safely say it wasn’t a perfect accent.

93. ensign joe - February 25, 2011

90. DarthDogg – February 25, 2011

Completely agree with you here.

If anyone deserved to be promoted it was Chekov. He was in charge most of the time..

94. Blue Shirt - February 25, 2011

Pegg is a good actor. He’s done serious before. The serious side of Scotty makes the comedy moments more effective. Looking forward to seeing more screen time for Scotty this time around.

95. jas_montreal - February 25, 2011

Star Trek 12 is coming out in 2012.

And I was the 12th msg on this msg-board.

12 is very important.

DESTINY.

96. Charla - February 25, 2011

What about a delta shield with another behind it peeking out just slightly from the side of the first?

Wait, we weren’t asked about the logo~ but it is still fun to play around with it. I like the blue on black too.

Like the song too by Kenny Wayne Shepard, “Blue on Black” – I’m tired- worked all week – can’t focus! LOL TGIF!!

97. jas_montreal - February 25, 2011

@96

TGIF.

I’ve spent my entire week watching all the Star Trek Movies. I’m exhausted.

98. Iva - February 25, 2011

You need to find a way to explain the cadet –> captain transformation And make it believable. Because it just does not happen that way. Not even in the merchant navy, let alone military Starfleet. It takes years for a reason.

99. trekprincess - February 25, 2011

How was it Uhura’s fault did she kill Spock’s mother:/

100. Wheeli - February 25, 2011

I like the darkness of the Logo as is signifies that the movie is still a mystery what would be cool is that as more information is revealed it will “come out of the shadows” so to speak.

101. Iva - February 25, 2011

No, she didn’t – they both did, by not doing their job when they were most needed.

102. DarthDogg - February 25, 2011

99

Ok one more time. if she would have stayed at her postand assisted with the evacuation of vulan, as she was ordered to do by spock. two things would have happened.
1.) As was the point of the order to begin with, more vulcans would have made it off planet
2.) Spock would have had the additional seconds he needed to save his mother

alot of bad things happened because Uhura left her post. I dont know how to be anymore clear about it. She did not follow orders, people died. Sheeesh.

103. DarthDogg - February 25, 2011

101

Correct, spock is guilty as well, but thats a whole other point that should have been added to my original list.

thank You :)

104. FarStrider - February 25, 2011

@102 Vulcans were already evacuating. . .do you really think they were waiting for a Star Fleet Ship to give an official order? and Spock couldn’t have beamed down to the planet until Kirk and sulu had been beamed up. . .so Spock wouldn’t have had “additional seconds” to save his mother. . .

~FS

105. DarthDogg - February 25, 2011

@ 104

the order wasnt to autherize eveacuation, it was to help coordinate it, you know, evacuation of even a small town requires mass coordination, I would imagine that on a planetary scale, it would require even more so. Would her assisting with this coordination have saved the planet. No, could it have helped saved lives, yes.

As for spock, he did not need to wait for Kirk and spock to beam up. they had already disabled the drill before he went down to the transporter pad. kirk and sulu may have been falling to there deaths and needed saving, but spock did not have to wait for this.

Sorry, no matter how you look at it. In any military setting, when one abandons there post during a time of Extreem crisis when people are dying by the billions,( as both Uhura and Spock are guilty of) it results in court matial and even jail time. And dont even get me started on having or Logical friend Spock be in a position were as an instructor he is dating a student and then allows that student to use that situation to manipulate him. No sorry, they are a mess. I stand by my original list, but thanks for playing and please try again. :)

106. Shadowcat - February 25, 2011

#68: I agree with you. This version of Scotty was at least 7-10 years younger than his TOS character and probably still had some maturing to do. Face it, being exiled on a cold and desolate planet can make you a bit crazy. This Scotty comes across as very brilliant and perhaps a bit quirky. I thought Simon Pegg did a good job. By the end of Star Trek 2009, he began to develop into the Scotty that we know and love. I think he will be better developed as a character in Star Trek 2012.

#94: Simon Pegg can do serious quite well. He had a guest role in the Dr. Who episode “The Long Game” that was positively scary. He played a character called “The Editor”. I always thought Scotty had both his serious and comedy moments in TOS.

107. Majicou - February 25, 2011

Pascale’s Pleasure Planet?

108. Jeyl - February 25, 2011

@104: “Spock couldn’t have beamed down to the planet until Kirk and sulu had been beamed up. . .so Spock wouldn’t have had “additional seconds” to save his mother. . .

You can blame Uhura for that one. She stopped him from getting prepped for a good 10 seconds before he finally made his way to the Transporter room. Those seconds would have had him already kneeling on the pad the moment Kirk and Sulu beamed up.

109. Blue Shirt - February 25, 2011

#94: for the comedy to shine through effectively you need the serious side to be established… some of the best comedy moments in any genre come from serious characters because it’s unexpected from them.

110. ensign joe - February 25, 2011

#105

“Sorry, no matter how you look at it. In any military setting, when one abandons there post during a time of Extreem crisis when people are dying by the billions,( as both Uhura and Spock are guilty of) it results in court matial and even jail time.”

“And dont even get me started on having or Logical friend Spock be in a position were as an instructor he is dating a student and then allows that student to use that situation to manipulate him.”

Agree and agree.

Although you could make the argument that they were making these silly mistakes because they were a “boat load of children”..

Scotty did make a point in TWOK that could imply that newbies tend to leave their post (“He stayed at his post.. when the trainees ran..”)

If Uhura/Spock would have been reprimanded at some point it would have made it much more believable.. as it is it just looks amateur..

111. Dennis Bailey - February 25, 2011

I like the Ghostbusters logo better; it’s got some wit to it.

112. Ensign Ro- (Short for Roland) - February 25, 2011

Maybe this is a bit too stylized, but here’s an idea I came up with for a logo for the articles here concerning the 2012 Trek sequel. :-)

http://devro1962.deviantart.com/#/d3adm3o

113. MrPhil - February 25, 2011

Star Trek: Pascale?

114. Anthony Thompson - February 25, 2011

70. Daoud

What about Uhura learning about the destruction of an entire Klingon fleet but not reporting it until much later when Kirk pries it out of her when it’s too late for the other ships and (almost) too late for the Enterprise? Any explanations / rationalizations from you on that issue?

115. Iva - February 25, 2011

She obviously had more important things on her mind.

116. DarthDogg - February 25, 2011

#114
Thank You. Though I covered that as well

Come on dude, am i to believe that a cadet is aware that 47. lets be clear hear, 47 seven, possably the entire klingon fleet is detroyed, a cadet knows this, but the captain of the flagship of the federation does not. Yeah right.

But you bring up a great point, was she the only one who knew this? If so…seriously. The balance of power of the entire alpha quadrant shifts whith the destruction of the entire fleet of (at this time) enemy ships, and Uhura just keeps this to herself! REALY! Oh wait, thats right. never mind. She did tell the naked green chick. Holy Crap! but hey, i guess all these Major flaws and horrendous character traits for Uhura are forgivable because hey, we did get to see her in her underwear.

117. Christopher_Roberts - February 25, 2011

64. Thanks, Falcon! I knew I wasn’t crazy… well, not about having seen a Starfleet Delta with a “π” on it once anyway. :-}

118. Cobalt 1365 - February 25, 2011

I absolutely love the logo! Except I would drop the apostrophe as the number 12 works for both the release year and the movie number. 12 works both ways.

119. Thomas - February 25, 2011

99. trekprincess
The point people are arguing is that Uhura delayed Spock getting down to Vulcan’s surface, if just for a few moments, and that delay made the difference in saving Spock’s mother’s life, as they couldn’t beam her up in time.

108. Jeyl
I remember a thread from last year where someone argued that Chekov correcting himself in saying “Captain..Captain” delayed Spock in saving Amanda. But having re-watched the movie recently, an argument could be made that if anyone is responsible for delaying Spock, it’s Uhura, not Chekov.

120. John Trumbull - February 25, 2011

The proposed sequel logo does not excite me. I’d stick with the modified Ghostbusters 2 logo if I were you, Anthony. It has better contrast and can take reduction much better.

121. "Check the Circuit!" - February 25, 2011

Good grief! Are you people still complaining about the most critically acclaimed and financially successful Star Trek movie ever??? Would you rather Paramount kept churning out Berman-era Next Gen movies that no one goes to see other than a handful of die-hard fans?

Be happy Star Trek is back.

(BTW, count me as a fan of the original Star Trek 2.0 logo.)

122. Jeyl - February 25, 2011

@114: “What about Uhura learning about the destruction of an entire Klingon fleet but not reporting it until much later when Kirk pries it out of her when it’s too late for the other ships and (almost) too late for the Enterprise? Any explanations / rationalizations from you on that issue?”

Before I get to an explanation, I have a question. You really want to limit the sole contributions of women in Star Trek to be done via prying?

On to the subject, if the Klingon Transmission was Uhura’s only sole contribution to the story, let’s see how it was played out.

1. It was shown off screen so we have no way of knowing if Uhura used her radical mad com skills to actually discover it or if she found it by pure luck.
2. The scene where she talks about it is used for exploitation of her in a bikini.
3. She doesn’t deem this discovery important enough to tell anyone but her room mate.
4. It’s Kirk that makes use of it, not her. She was even hesitant to say that Kirk was right, and even than she needed Spock to assure Pike that she was correct.
5. It was a useless contribution since the Enterprise did not come under attack by the Narada for a whole entire minute after it dropped out of warp.

Couple those details with every other character who actually do things on their own initiative and by their own skills, Uhura is a character who can’t do anything useful unless she has two white burly to PRY her into helping. Jump for joy folks, Uhura’s chickification has been confirmed!

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Chickification

And wasn’t it nice of the writers to include two other communication officers on the bridge as well? Hannity and Chekov? Uhura is no longer “THE” communications officer of the Enterprise, but “A” communications officer. She’s not even the “go to” officer on the ship! While she just listens to nothing, Pike tells Hannity to contact the USS Truman and later Kirk orders Chekov to hail the Narada.

123. Tony Todd's Tears - February 25, 2011

I hope it’s not as “Amazeballs” as Transformers ROTFL was.

How is Optimus Prime, a Prime without the Matrix of Leadership?

The Matrix makes you the leader of the Autobots.

124. Damian - February 25, 2011

Anthony Pascale–

Like the new logo (at least until we get something official by Paramount)
It actually fulfills two roles. The movie comes out in 2012 and it is the 12th film of the series. I thought that was a nice touch.

125. AJ - February 25, 2011

I prefer the “Trekbusters II” logo.

The proposed replacement has a European “1″ which makes it look a bit out of placed in ‘merica (it should look like a lower-case L, or have a hook on top, but only with a base, which makes it look awful).

I say stick it on a “2012″ poster with altered graphics: “WE WERE WARNED”

126. Corinthian7 - February 25, 2011

Such sad news about British Naval Dude his posts never failed to entertain. I hope Bob is able to work in a little tribute for him and my condolences to any of his friends and family that post here. Might I also add my congratulations to Anthony for working his way into the movie it’s well deserved.

127. ensign joe - February 25, 2011

I hear “Shakespeare in Love” was “critically acclaimed” ..

I guess..

I dunno.. maybe I have, like, my own opinion or something?

man?

dude?

128. DarthDogg - February 25, 2011

#122

Awsome dude, awsome. lets also not forget that she wouldnt have even been assigned to the Enterprise at all if not for sleeping with her instructer and then subtly threatening him about her “extreme oral sensativity” to get the post she wants. yea, what a moraly advanced woman. I think they took the female characters about a hundred years in the wrong direction with this movie.

Another question i seriously have is the female uniforms. has any one noticed that by removing the sleeves, the female uniforms feature no rank insignias of any kind. One would not know if a female crew member was an ensign or captain. But hey, there just women, we dont need to give them rank.

Yep. about a hundred years backwards.

129. Spockanella - February 25, 2011

Aaaaarrrrrrrrrr indeed.

130. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - February 25, 2011

I know. We can have Capt Del Trame of the U.S.S Pascale. That would work. But. I’m also good with Anthony Pascale being a red shirt. Lol.

131. AJ - February 25, 2011

125:

Mike: The only proper tribute to BND would be to make him a fully fleshed out character in the new Star Trek universe, like Harry Mudd, or Cyrano Jones.

Since that won’t happen, the least we can hope for is an Admiral Trame with a parrot on his shoulder and an eyepatch, or, at best, a tribute to “canoli night” on the Enterprise.

Anthony’s surname is perfect for many applications:

“The Pascale Anomaly”
“The Pascale Effect”
“Galaxy Pascale 35427-B”
“Pascalitosis” (galactic bad breath)
“The Pascale Emitter”
“Pascale’s Law of Warp Field Degradation”
“Pascale’s Pizza and Calzones, FREE Delivery”

132. AJ - February 25, 2011

Oops. Responding to 130.

133. Trekprincess - February 25, 2011

121 it appears that way check the circuit :/ I don’t know why fans are so hyper critical

134. MisterJohnSparks - February 25, 2011

Photon torpedo bursting through the Enterprise’s shuttle-doors and detonating inside. I’ve wanted to see that since I was a smaller number, and physically shorter, than I am right now.

135. Anthony Pascale - February 25, 2011

for those asking yes my name is Italian, since emigrating to America my grandfather dropped pronouncing the ‘e’ at the end so the Americanized version is pronounced the same as Pascal as in “Pascal’s Triangle”

136. Trekboi - February 25, 2011

Love the new logo the other one was embarassing- should have been a one off joke.

Three things they need to do in the new film.

1- EXPLORE NEW WORLDS!

2- Establish that Homosexuality wasn’t one of the problems cured by the 23rd century by having a gay character or same sex couple mentioned or even get political & have a gay married couple blend into the background without an eyebrow raised.

3- Reflect on current religious wars- show it was resolved or maybe have Muslem Crew member etc etc

137. Ralph Pinheiro - February 25, 2011

Sorry friends my question, but what does AMAZEBALLS mean?

138. Robman007 - February 25, 2011

Speaking of the new “Movies” what in the world is up with all the merchandise of the new Enterprise taking so long to be released? Both versions (I seem to remember them saying they’d have the ungodly and very sadly overpriced version and the smaller and more reasonable, but probably still OVERPRICED version) of the QMX Enterprise and the Polar Lights model seem to be taking FOREVER, considering that both were announced before the movie even hit theaters 2 years ago. By the time they get released, 12 will be in theaters and the Enterprise will have some sorta refit done to it so that both items become obsolete.

Urgh!

139. ForrestXL - February 25, 2011

@121: “Be happy Star Trek is back.”

They finished “The Tressaurian Intersection”?!

140. keachick - February 25, 2011

Good grief. Let me explain:

I am actually aggrieved that some people think that the only reason Uhura got her position on the Enterprise was because she was sleeping with her instructor. Actually Spock was practising a form of REVERSE discrimination by not assigning her to the Enterprise and she quite CORRECTLY AND RIGHTLY challenged this flagrant abuse of his position and authority!

How does anyone here know that Captain Pike did not already know about the destruction of the 47 Klingon ships? He did not state anything. He simply asked how Kirk knew about it.
Watch the movie and pay attention!

As a poster already noted, Spock could not beam down to the planet until Kirk and Sulu were safely retrieved from the planet. Spock gave the order for a planet wide evacuation (probably much of that was going on anyway) to all the bridge crew, not just Uhura. There would have been other crew more able to do the “nuts and bolts” stuff of evacuation than Uhura anyway and would have been engaged doing that.
Spock just got up and left his post. Uhura, as was any other bridge officer, like Chekov, quite within their rights to ask, in fact to DEMAND, where the acting captain was going, especially if it was to a particularly dangerous location, and why. Spock explained the whats and whys, as quickly and as succinctly as he could. The fact that it happened to be his girlfriend asking the question was irrelevant. Had Chekov asked those same questions, would people be blaming Chekov for the death of Spock’s mother?
Have none of you lived through a major crisis, like an earthquake or similar? BS shaming and blaming is not a good thing.

141. gingerly - February 25, 2011

& pascale

Okay, two things:

@boborci

Please, keep this past week’s postsecret about A King’s Speech in mind while you’re tweaking that script and…

@pascale

I love the spareness of the website placeholder, but I don’t like the font.

142. keachick - February 25, 2011

Has Darthdogg ever heard of the term “aural sensitivity”? It is to do with the sense of hearing, the ears? Frankly, this insinuation about Uhura and the idea that this movie took women back 100 years or whatever, disgusts me. What bollocks! Anyway, since when were posters like Darthdogg and Iva assigned as arbiters of (sexual) morality now or in the future?

I have a degree of aural sensitivity but that has nothing to do with whether I am able to give good blow jobs or not. The fact that you thought Uhura said “oral sensitivity” means you need to get your ears checked, or more likely need to listen more attentively and to keep sex off your brains so that it does not confuse you as to what is actually being said and done.

Sorry if I seem a little “forthright”, but I have watched the movie several times and I have clearly HEARD what was said, along with the context.

143. Charla - February 25, 2011

# 137 That question is deferred to our resident expert on the topic- he goes by the name “Harry Ballz” – He will know :-)

144. DarthDogg - February 25, 2011

#140

Sorry dude, but I have paid attention way better then you obviously.
Spock could beam down before kirk and sulu were beamed up. there being beamed up had nothing to do with it. They only needed to stop the drill in order for the transporters to work, which they had already done by this point.
Second, his order to her to stay and assist with the evacuation was not a general order to the crew, it was specific to her, as they were standing one foot from each other making eye contact when he told her specificaly what he wanted her to do. She did not do it, but many others were. Everyone else was doing thier job during a crisis with only seconds to spare, wile she was in the turbo lift checking on her boyfriend, not her commanding officer. (Checov would be huggin and making out with him).
Third. This is an alternate univers, i have no problem with the writers creating a relationship between these two characters were one did not exist before. But, Spock in any univers would never, EVER, sleep with a student while he is the teacher. This is Spock we are talking about. have you not paid attention to spock for the past 40 years.
A better way to have done the relationship, would be for it to have occured as a result of the vulcan tragedy. To allow the audiance to see thier relationship form and blossom during a crisis. Not to have it already formed under such unproffesional circumstances. Sorry, these characters were a mess in this film, I stand by my original list.
Thanks for playing though and please try again :)

145. gingerly - February 25, 2011

@keachick

Seriously, it’s not worth it. Don’t feed the trolls.

146. DarthDogg - February 25, 2011

#142

Sorry if you dont get sarcasm, but my reference to “oral sesativty” was a joke just to help make my point. The fact is Uhura was not portayed as well as she could have. She did nothing to contribute to the plot and her most memerable scenes involved taking her cloths off or getting felt up.
Refer to # 122′s exelent post for more examples of why, he said it better than I can.

Again, Why no rank for the woman. Were is thier rank on thier uniforms. Its not there, I Wonder Why?

147. kc - February 25, 2011

Orci and Co seem to be a class group. Nice move putting Anthony’s name in the movie somehow… it was a sad few years when we didn’t have Trek and this site was one of the places I came to keep it alive. Kind of funny as it’s just a silly TV Show/Movie but it always moved me.

148. Iva - February 25, 2011

“as arbiters of (sexual) morality now or in the future?”

You are absolutely right. Military personnel has every right to ignore saving people if they are feeling horny. That makes everything right.
I’m sure Amanda and Vulcans who died on the planet are happy with the explanation. I’m sure Starfleet is happy with their officers misconduct, and I’m sure academy board members are happy with their “most distinguished graduate” and instructor bedding his student and allowing her whim to influence his decisions and behaviour both as an academy instructor and later on during a crisis aboard.

149. DarthDogg - February 25, 2011

#145

@keachick

Seriously, it’s not worth it. Don’t feed the trolls.

So why does having these issues with the latest trak make one a Troll. Is it required for a trek fan to love all trek to be a fan and to not be a troll.
Is there nothing of trek in its long history and many iterations that you take issue with.
If so, what, id love to hear.
Dont be afraid. it wont make you a troll
I love star trek. The original series, enterprise DS9, all of it. Ive been loving trek for the whole 40 years of my life. I just have issues with this one. Its not a big deal. If you love it, great. if you dont, that hardly makes you a troll.

150. Iva - February 25, 2011

And just to add, because some people don’t seem to get this -
being a cadet is equal for everyone,
it has nothing to do with what your marks are and everything to do with the way the list of assignments is made – randomly or by alphabetical order.
The decision to put her on a different ship to his is a correct professional decision to make that in no way affects her work as a cadet – not a “reverse discrimination”.
The ship they are assigned to gives cadets the same treatment as any other, Enterprise or not – to shift boxes around, help with the equipment, fill out forms, do whatever is needed to be done as a servant to anybody of rank, as every other cadet.
Uhura’s demand to be put on the ship she desires has nothing to do with her qualifications as a cadet. Those are not relevant to giving assignments to different ships.
Where Kirk found her is the same meaningless job she would have been doing on any other ship, whatever her grade average.

151. Jeff - February 25, 2011

As long as Shatner is NOT in it, it will be great!

152. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - February 25, 2011

#131. I would like to see a Capt Trame of the U.S.S Pascale and we get a glimpse of his Quarters and we see things from the old times of Pirates and we see a Sword that has BND on it. . That would be a great way to Honor our friend.

153. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - February 25, 2011

If they get a Capt Del Trame in the movie they should use Dels real line.
I kids ‘cuz I loves.” That would be a great way to pay tribute to our Friend.

154. Viking - February 25, 2011

Damn, prayers for British Naval Dude and family. I had no idea he’d passed. Bob, you ought to work both of them into a line for Karl, like “Ensign Trame was stricken with Pascale Syndrome”. Nothing personal, Anthony. LOL I just know the writers have to be frugal with the dialogue at times.

155. Spockanella - February 25, 2011

Any tribute to Del would be wonderful, even if all that can be reasonably managed is a blurb in the credits. After all, there are so many worthy people who could be given a shout-out in the film and it wouldn’t be possible to include them all! But there are so many fun scenarios…like having a Del character in the engine room, playing off Scotty’s humor. I’ll leave the writing to the pros, however. If there is a Del character, I hope he’s funny, well-read, kind, and good-lookin’, like our dear friend was.

156. Maj - February 25, 2011

@146

You’ve thoroughly outlined the flaws in ST11 and particularly with the Uhura characterization, I happen to agree with most of your analysis here, lol, there were definitely flaws. But fact is this film brought our franchise back to life!!

You have to admit overall there are more positives than negatives, even when you evaluate the storyline, it was definitely a good story, not entirely perfect but it delivered. BTW I have all seasons from TOS to Enterprise, as well as the movies, and some novels too. So even with this really strict favoritism to the prime timeline, I have to look at the alternate universe for what is, an alternate universe. Things are gonna be different, and other things the same. I found more ‘same’ than not, but presented in an entirely new way to appeal to an entirely new fanbase.

Fact is, ST11 holds more water than say; the entire series of Enterprise, the whole basis of that show was flawed and contradicted nearly everything that came before. I look at THAT as another alternate timeline, a VERY alternate timeline. When I saw the latest film, went in a skeptic, I thought this was going to be worse than Enterprise, but I was really surprised at how much it felt like Star Trek, matter of fact I never got that pure Star Trek feeling out of any of the previous films, with the exception of First Contact maybe.

Don’t tell me you didn’t enjoy the Enterprise introduction, like OMG pure awesomeness right there. Never felt more proud to be a fan and now all the haters (friends) come and say: what an amazing movie, was Star Trek always this good? Umm, yeaaaa!!

Anyways I agree with you. =)

157. Capt. of the USS Anduril - February 25, 2011

That new logo is pretty nice. I can’t wait for info on the next movie, hoping for a lot of great character moments! I have faith in Orci, Kurtzman, and the rest of the creative team!

And those that are STILL complaining about Kirk’s promotion: HE WAS A LIEUTENANT!!! This is established in TOS! He was still called a cadet because he technically hadn’t graduated! Just like Lieutenant Saavik was still a cadet.

158. Carmichael3 - February 25, 2011

my surnames unflatteringly in TNG… “Carmichael”

159. Jack2211 - February 25, 2011

This site is pretty fantastic – people from all over the planet uniting (okay, and often griping) over a TV show/movie. Who knew lens flares would resonate globally.

To Anthony and Mr. Orci — any chance for a round table or online video chat with trusted fans to check a few script details. I’m sure there are plenty of aspiring story editors here. Not sure what the legal issues/leak concerns might be. Could be a contest — post your best short piece of Trek dialogue or something.

160. Vultan - February 25, 2011

#156

Which episode?

161. Vultan - February 25, 2011

Oh wait, it’s Mrs. Carmichael the landlady, isn’t it?
From “Time’s Arrow.”

I liked her. “Mr. Pickerd” didn’t seem to, though. ;)

162. Stefan Chab - February 25, 2011

Just dropped by to say thanks to everyone who likes the new logo.

And Anthony, congrats on being named to the movie! :)

163. Basement Blogger - February 25, 2011

Congratulations, Anthony, on getting a shout out in the new film. Yeah, I hope your name is not used as a disease.

McCoy: Lt. Uhura, you’ve got Pascale syndrome.
Uhura: What’s that?
McCoy: It causes women to grow hairy beards.

164. Basement Blogger - February 25, 2011

Simon Pegg tweets, “Amazeballs.” What does that mean? I just yahooed it and it looks like an expression used by Perez Hilton; Jessica and Hunter. Simon… you’re reading Perez Hilton’s celebrity blog? Oh, by the way, getting Siguourney Weaver and Jane Lynch in your movie “Paul” is amazeballs.

Maybe we should ask an expert. Harry Ballz. Harry, …. did I use the word correctly?

165. DarthDogg - February 25, 2011

156

Thank you. I will agree with you as well. I have been very criticle of the movie, but that is only because i hold trek very dear tyo my heart and as I mentioned once before. Nitpicking Trek is part of the fun for me. There are things about the movie i thought were great and very well done. The opening 10 minutes is near perfection and one of the most exciting opening segments to a movie I have ever seen
I loved lenard Neymoys performance and seeing him one more time was great.
Im love that they brought the character of Christopher Pike back into the fold.
I do however stand by all the flaws that do hinder this movie back several notches for me. but, at the end of the day, it is an entertaining movie and that is truly what counts the most.

166. Iva - February 25, 2011

I don’t think there is a single person out there who didn’t like Pike :D

167. Daoud - February 25, 2011

I humour myself by pronouncing it with Romance ‘a”s and a German ‘z’ (=ts), and you get:

ah-MAHTZ-ah-balls. Kinda sounds like “a matzoh balls”.

Gives it that Yiddish flavor.

168. Bond - February 25, 2011

I think this icon / symbol of trek should fade in on dramatic music que. As it dose you see 20 on one side and it ether spins to show the twelve on the backside or better yet, transports in as if from the transporter room. That way it says embarking 2012………… Just A thought.
Bitting at the bit, For your talents to embark us on another out of our everyday lives and onto a new and entertaining mission. Lets boldly go where no other film industry has gone before………….
Thanks for what you do.

169. Harry Ballz - February 25, 2011

137+143.

The only time I’ve ever heard the word “AMAZEBALLS” is when I myself said something that sounded like it. Every time I’d score with a new chickypoo, and we’d be about to hit the sheets, I would proclaim, “come, my lady, it’s time to amaze Ballz!”

170. Basement Blogger - February 26, 2011

@ 169 Harry Ballz

Ha. ha. ha. I know you’re talking about bedding a woman. But I think that Perez Hilton guy is gay. :-) Hmmm. I wondeed how he invented the word.

171. Andrews - February 26, 2011

Why don’t you idiots ever blame Chekov for “killing” Amanda, or Kirk and Sulu for not clearing the transporter pad fast enough? Why is it always Uhura extracting .5 second of exposition out of him that you fixate on?

OH YEAH, it’s because Uhura has a vagina, sorry, I forgot.

172. Andrews - February 26, 2011

AND SPEAKING of Uhura’s ~unprofessional~ behavior, I’ve always wondered how your heads would have exploded had Uhura…

-used power as ship physician to sneak friend onboard, been extremely rude in responses to Kirk at Kobayashi Maru, been extremely rude to Kirk in general, been extremely rude to Spock in general including using the SLUR green-blooded hobgoblin, been dismissive and ageist toward Chekov, been extremely grumpy in general

-cheated on an exam by having sex with the test programmer and using them for her nefarious plans and then been proud of it after, aggressively picked fights, been very saucy and fresh toward Captain Pike, been a slut who hit on any member of the opposite sex who passed by, snuck onboard by using friend’s power as ship physician, interrupted bridge meeting, been extremely rude toward Spock, acted like her ideas were far superior to Spock’s, mocked and berated Spock and incited him to violence, seized control on the Enterprise by force, been given captaincy of the Enterprise for very flimsy reasons

-choked the crap out of Kirk, been very saucy and fresh to McCoy, been a frigid b*tch with no emotions

-abandoned the bridge during a red alert to run willy-nilly through the hallways, shoved people out of the way with the repeated insistence that she knew what she was doing, pushed an older woman from her post without apologizing, used an exaggerated accent we were supposed to think was cute or something, been a seventeen-year-old Mary Sue, killed Spock’s mother

-left the parking brake on

-killed an admiral’s dog

But nah, I’m sure there are no double standards at all involved here.

173. cd - February 26, 2011

Sorry to hear about British Naval Dude; his posts were always fun to read. Make the Del Trame system the location for New Vulcan, a desert planet with a moon almost totally covered in ocean (good for BND to sail). Make Pascale a red shirt that survives, albeit barely.

174. Let Them Eat Plomeek Soup - February 26, 2011

@Capt. Of The USS Anduril:

I thought Kirk was supposed to be an Ensign in the 2009 movie? Since the USS Farragut was still around and he was close to graduating from the Academy.

Maybe I’m just getting mixed up here…

And really, what have all you out there have against the guy who played Scotty? Honestly, I almost liked him better than James Doohan. (I beg your forgiveness, oh TOS fans).

175. Iva - February 26, 2011

Not against the guy who played him, against the script that just makes him look stupid. And the lines he gets to say don’t help either.
I do hope they invest in a proper engineering set next time, and actually use it as such, not as a comic relief.

176. matthias from germany - February 26, 2011

I have to add something to my last post. #44: In my opinion NEMESIS was great, but had a very bad cut. Logan did a good Job, but the director had no sense vor Trek. I somehow hope, Abrams and Co. will somehow continue or finanlize the famous Next Gen either on TV or on the big screen, maybe with new characters, too.

177. Harry Ballz - February 26, 2011

170.

BB, I WONDEED the same thing!

It’s probably a typo that gets these words invented!

178. trekprincess - February 26, 2011

DarthDogg don’t say you didn’t like Karl Urban as Doctor McCoy :) he was awesome anyway is it fine for me to love the film and let all the rest of you despise it:/

179. Basement Blogger - February 26, 2011

@ 177 Harry Ballz

Perez Hilton is from Miami. He probably did some diving in the ocean. Maybe he came up with word “amazeballs” while he was “snorkeling.” :-)

180. yvettedeena - February 26, 2011

, let me just say that all Spock had to say was “no” when she asked to be reassigned-problem solved-that would have fixed all of the problems anyone here had as she would have died along with the others on the ship. no more uhura no more problems. great movie right? Blah

181. Hateya - February 26, 2011

@Boborci
Uhura/Spock = $$$$$$

@172
You rock! Hypocrisy and double-standards, be gone!!!

@Boborci
I repeat, Uhura/Spock = $$$$$$

182. Iva - February 26, 2011

At least Bones would have been restored as a main character. Which is, btw, one of the biggest abrams movie flaws, pushing Bones away for the sake of a having vagina on the poster.

183. yvettedeena - February 26, 2011

Really? Bones would have been used in all of uhura’s scenes?

184. Kenji - February 26, 2011

Sorry to hear about Mr. BND… his posts were always a highlight to each article. Rest in amazeballs, matey.

The new logo looks nice, but better drop the apostrophe and use Trek font, please!

185. Anthony Thompson - February 26, 2011

Let’s hope that Bob doesn’t work in a reference to Harry Ballz! : D

186. Iva - February 26, 2011

@184. yvettedeena – February 26, 2011
Really? Bones would have been used in all of uhura’s scenes?

Unless one measures somebody’s relevance by their “oral expertise”, I really don’t see how anybody having Uhura’s scenes would make them a main character. There were only two main characters there in the abrams movie, and a vagina in between them for the posters.
Writing Bones a better role and using all of the additional screen time left from removing all of the cheap ideas from the movie would certainly be a much needed improvement for the sequel.

187. Kenji - February 26, 2011

183
LOL, I would dig that. The bantering Spock and McCoy had in TOS always reminded me of an odd, old couple. A lot of the fans wanting gays to be represented in the film would surely be happy too!

188. Harry Ballz - February 26, 2011

185.

Anthony, I will be happy if they simply use the phrase, “Ballz deep”!

189. P Technobabble - February 26, 2011

With all the nit-picking going on, I haven’t seen much about Kirk’s attire.
I’ve been expecting something like:

“Kirk could not have stepped onto the bridge wearing only the black part of his shirt. Serious breach of protocol. A court-martial offense which could get him the death penalty. In the 23rd century, dress is everything, a priority of the service. For Kirk to be out of uniform is completely out of character. It shows how the producers and director don’t know anything about Star Trek…”

This is what so much of the nit-picky comments look like to me.

190. P Technobabble - February 26, 2011

188 Harry

When you say “Ballz deep” you’re referring to the depth of your psychological and spiritual make-up, yes? as in “Boy, that Harry Ballz is a very deep guy.”

191. AJ - February 26, 2011

Bones is positioned as Kirk’s best (and perhaps only) friend for the three years he is in the Academy. No questions there. Kirk then meets Spock, and the film ends.

There was no room in the story to get the ‘trinity’ relationship into high gear except perhaps to foreshadow things to come when McCoy sarcastically says “I don’t know…But I like him..” in response to Kirk’s query about Spock before launch.

I would expect the new film to open with the Kirk-Spock-McCoy relationship already developed to a certain extent.

192. Harry Ballz - February 26, 2011

190.

PT, I’d rather be deep than thick! :>)

Keep it up and I’ll be pushing for a new Trek TV series called “Ballz Deep Nine”!

193. BK - February 26, 2011

Try ’2012′ not just ’12′

Try using the TOS or 2009 font.

194. Brian L - February 26, 2011

How fortunate TrekMovie isn’t bothered by fan feedback. They just delete your posts if you don’t agree with them

195. Chris Pike - February 26, 2011

11. DarthDogg – February 24, 2011
90. DarthDogg – February 25, 2011

I’d agree totally here. I think it is right to pick up on these parts that are too loose, point them out so that anything similar can be tightened up in the next script. There’s no question in my mind that these and some other issues if they were addressed (for me some personally of the prod design issues) would certainly not lessen any enjoyment or success of the film and for some of us improve on something already great. Logical!

196. AJ - February 26, 2011

192:

C’mon Harry, you know you want “Deep Ballz 69″ starring Erica Durance as the Captain, Harry Ballz as Number One, and the Vegas Chippendale Dancers, all cooped up together on a distant space station. Right up your alley!

197. gingerly - February 26, 2011

@172

Hahaha, A+ post.

Also, this is bugging me.

Spock wasn’t talking to Uhura before he beamed down to get his parents.

If you listen closely, you can hear another cadet in the background, say “Yes, sir.”

So, yeah. She can’t disobey an order she wasn’t’ given.

Also -> “….been very saucy and fresh to McCoy”

I C WUT YOU DID THERE.

There will always be trolls, but as long as you keep up the *ahem* subtext, um, I mean camaraderie…

Nah, they’d still complain as long as she’s there in any capacity beyond “her place”, but yeah, do it anyway. :)

198. chrisfawkes.com - February 26, 2011

@54.

I didn’t mind Peggs version in the first film and i would go see any film just because his name was attached.

And yet i do see wisdom in what you say. Not that i want the character killed off but Scotty did always come across as a man. A scott who could hold his own in a brawl if needed.

So i would like to see a little more sombre side to Peggs Scotty in the next film to show us the dignity that we got from James Doohan.

199. gingerly - February 26, 2011

@198

I agree, and Simon definitely has the capacity to bring the manliness.

Though, Hot Fuzz (PERFECTION ON FILM) is the only movie I can think of where he’s really required to.

Maybe he needs Nick Frost to bring it out of him. He’d be fantastic in an alien cameo.

200. Blue Shirt - February 26, 2011

198: agreed. Scotty was the one crew member that Spock never frowned upon. They often worked well together and seemed have a good respect for each other. That could be really interesting to see developed in the new version given their abrupt introduction where Spock threatens him with a court martial. Perhaps Spock needs to be won over by Scotty’s ability and dedication.

201. Jeyl - February 26, 2011

@197: “Spock wasn’t talking to Uhura before he beamed down to get his parents. If you listen closely, you can hear another cadet in the background, say “Yes, sir.””

Few points I want to make to emphasize that no matter what situation you think is happening during that moment when Spock decides to beam down to Vulcan, it doesn’t help Uhura’s case at all.

Situation One: Spock orders Uhura to contact Vulcan.
This is the most likely situation because if you listen to the orders that Spock gives out, he orders the evacuation of Vulcan first, and to maintain standard orbit. Right after that, you hear a female officer say “Yes, sir.” just like gingerly said. However, if you watch the movie closely, Sulu’s helm station is being manned by a female officer.

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/xihd/trekxihd1516.jpg

It is this Officer that is responding to Spock’s maintain standard orbit order, not contact Vulcan. So Uhura was the one being given the order to contact Vulcan.

Situation Two: Spock orders someone else contacts Vulcan
So we have a crises on our hands where Vulcan has minutes left before complete annihilation. He knows ever second counts, he knows that Uhura’s skills are unmatched, but decides to let some offscreen officer do it instead. Why? Isn’t Uhura the best at what she does? Why doesn’t she assist in the job instead of talking to Spock? Why does Spock think it’s more logical to waste valuable seconds explaining to Uhura what he is doing instead of doing it?

So to summarize, despite Uhura’s mad skills with communications, she is not the one to go to during a crises. But if she is, she believes that her concerns about Spock are more important than the billions of lives that are at stake on the planet that’s minutes away from collapsing.

However you spin it, she comes out terrible.

202. N - February 26, 2011

Not a fan of new logo. needs 20 in the front.

203. gingerly - February 26, 2011

@201

Read 172 and really take a good long hard look at yourself.

…Or continue your successful trolling. *shrug* :)

204. pock speared - February 26, 2011

uh, i note that in the novelization of the film the ent does in fact full stop on the way to vulcan to discuss things, allowing time for the fleet to become space debris.
b’orci could clear that up. was it in the original script?
not that i care, it was a dynamic part of the film.

oh and in bergman trek, the whole damn crew would have gone to the ready room to have “a confab” for twenty minutes, while data presented every possible outcome while getting his artificial dick caught in a space-blender. vulcan would’ve bit it while troi was was telling picard that she sensed something she had never sensed before, or some useless shit.

and now that you mention it, although you trekwads are accustomed having the captain do heroic things every twenty minutes, you need to realize that kirk saved the ship, earth, the federation and the franchise by being a heroic dude against all odds. this is pretty cool. i say make him captain if he was the friggin bartender beforehand. besides, pike would’ve fought for it, and the fed would’ve been a few captains short after the debacle at vulcan. besides, whaddya know about future promotion protocols, anyway?

and while i’m at it, if it was anyone’s fault the ship was delayed it was sulu who stupidly fell from the drill platform. rookie.

and by the way, dammit, uhura was asking a question the audience needed asking: why not just beam the old vulcans out of the arc? drama just works that way.

and another damn thing, i’d kill for some onion soup right now.

205. pock speared - February 26, 2011

@203
gingerly, i think andrew was making some passionate but not absurd observations. it may be rude to you, but hardly trolling. this is a trek fan with an opinion.
a troll is the one who just shows up ranting about how j.j. raped their childhood, accuses anthony of being a nazi, and then imagines she/he is the only fan in existence. andrew is far better than that.

206. trekprincess - February 26, 2011

Am I stupid for loving the Star Trek reboot:/

207. captain_neill - February 26, 2011

206

No

208. yvettedeena - February 26, 2011

@187 Iva.

It’s “aural sensitivity”, not oral expertise – so no, the character relevance isn’t being measured in manner.

And how exactly does killing off Uhura (a character you clearly find not to have any merit in the series to suggest this, but I guarantee you quite a few others do) not come off as a cheap idea?

Movies are not limited to a specific number of minutes – if they wanted Bones to have more screen time, they certainly could have given it to him.

209. DarthDogg - February 26, 2011

Gingerly

Pointing out all of these script problems is not trolling. The fact is as many besides myself have agreed to, Uhura is a mess in the film and we make these observations only because we like the character and would like to see her contribute more in the next film then just taking her clothes off and making very questionable, useless decisions.
I do believe Spock needed conforting by her, but consider this. If they had written that seen after vulcan was destroyed, when spock was making his log about being an endangered species, It would have been far more apprprate a time and would have eliminated a lot of the problems with her failure to do her job during a crisis.
Further more, has we seen her translate the romulan message using her mad skills when it had slipped by everyone else and then report it to the proper channels, we would have seen her use her speacial talents and solve a crucial peice of a puzzle, contributing to the plot. As it is now, she simply heard somthing of crucial importants and never told anyone but a naked green chick until kirk had to pry it out of her.
See, im not just criticising but offering solutions as well. That is not Trolling.

To Trek Princess. My apologies, you are correct, Dr. Mcoy was great in the movie as well, and i hope to see much more of him in the Big 3 dynamic in the sequel :)

210. gingerly - February 26, 2011

@200

They often worked well together and seemed have a good respect for each other. That could be really interesting to see developed in the new version given their abrupt introduction where Spock threatens him with a court martial. Perhaps Spock needs to be won over by Scotty’s ability and dedication.

Yeah, you’re right. I hadn’t really thought about it, but Spock always respected Scotty’s abilities.

They never had the back-in-forth barb-trading that Spock and McCoy or Spock and Kirk to a lesser degree had.

I like reboot Scotty’s humor, but I don’t want to see his professionalism sacrificed for it.

211. DarthDogg - February 26, 2011

#172

You are correct in all your observations as well, Yes, the flow of the conversation on this board did seem to focus soly on Uhura, but, many of the things you point out just further the case the the characters on this new Trek were all a mess and need addressing in the sequel. Thanks:)

212. captain_neill - February 26, 2011

209

I also feel there were problems with the script but I still had a good time watching the movie. I don’t think its wrong to point out problems as I don’t think its trolling, but I do feel that from now on it will be a more visceral experience which is more common with tentpole blockbusters.

To me its the price you have to pay for mainstream likability. Which is why I am not a big fan of mainstream.

I like a visceral experience as much as others but a great story is a plus to that.

213. SChaos1701 - February 26, 2011

I think some of you need to chill. You guys know this is FICTION right?

214. DarthDogg - February 26, 2011

112

Agreed dude, but is it really so impossable to have both. Maybe :(

215. DarthDogg - February 26, 2011

213

CHILL !!!! My god man, what fun would that be?

216. DarthDogg - February 26, 2011

Trek Princess

No, You are not stupid for loving the movie, thats not what im trying to do by pointing out its many terrable flaws. I love many movies that the mainstream thinks are horrable. Ill even give you one. I love Howard the Duck. There i said it. Is it flawed and dumb, sure, Can I understand if others hate it, sure. So you go right on loving the new Trek, I wish i could :(

217. Peon - February 26, 2011

The ’12 Trek symbol brings up a good point…..what the hell do you call this one? I highly doubt it’s going to be “Star Trek 2012,” so are they going to go with the original Trek movie lineage and start numbering them? If they do, will it be Romans or standard numerals? Will they go the TNG route and simply add a title? I’m guessing that numbering them will feel absurd, since we’re technically on #12, but the temptation will be to go to 2, or II. However, a 2, or II, movie has already been done, so I think we’re going to end up going the “Star Trek: Movie Title” route. The good news is #2s are usually always as good, or better than #1…..with a few rare exceptions.

218. Blue Shirt - February 26, 2011

210: I agree. Scotty’s professionalism should form the basis of his character; the humour should shine through.

219. dmduncan - February 26, 2011

Yeah, I think “aural” was chosen because it sounds precisely like “oral.”

Double entendre. Show of hands. When you first heard that line, did you ONLY think “aural”? Or was “Oral” kicking around in your mind somewhere too?

NO hands? Good. That means we are all honest.

220. yvettedeena - February 26, 2011

Hand

The line was “And did not, on multiple occasions, demonstrate exceptional aural sensitivity and *I quote* an unparalleled ability to identify sonic anomalies in subspace transmission in tests?

So no, sorry, but my mind did not at all think OOOh – “oral sex”. Didn’t even occur to me.

221. Captain Karl - February 26, 2011

One thing I liked about the little touches that were used in ST VI, they made the ship look a little worn in. There were scuffs here and there to imply this ship has been in service for a little while and isn’t so sterile with that factory fresh scent. Make the controls look like they’ve been handled for a while, like the steering wheel of your car. Doesn’t have to look like a space-faring Sanford and Son with duct tape on the captain’s chair, but at least use the future equivalent of worn in.

222. Red Dead Ryan - February 26, 2011

I hope to see more Dr.McCoy in the sequel. Karl Urban really nailed it and the triumverate of KIrk-Spock-McCoy really needs to be shown.

Plus, the posters for the sequel should depict this, with their images:

Chris Pine…….Zachary Quinto…….Karl Urban

“STAR TREK 12″

Also starring Simon Pegg, Zoe Saldana, John Cho, Anton Velchin and whoever guest-stars.

Uhura is a great, albeit secondary character, but McCoy is much more vital to the relationship with Kirk and Spock. He is the heart, Spock is the mind, and Kirk is the soul. And while Zoe is a good actress, Karl is the better actor.

223. dmduncan - February 26, 2011

220: “The line was ‘And did not, on multiple occasions, demonstrate exceptional aural sensitivity and *I quote* an unparalleled ability to identify sonic anomalies in subspace transmission in tests?”

1. Yes, and the use of the conjunction “and” might as well mean two separate things on either side of the conjunction (“oral” AND “aural”) as well as the possibility that what follows after the “and” is a mere elaboration of what came before the “and.” That’s actually part of the double entendre’s structure.

2. Unfortunately, I am a guy. And what do you know? That line was written by guys. Two of them. Or, more likely, by one of two.

The same guys who wrote both Transformers movies. The movies where one robot “farts” a parachute (double entendre), and another leaks fluid through what would be a genitalia laden zone on a human being (double entendre).

224. yvettedeena - February 26, 2011

Red Dead Ryan – I’m fine with McCoy having a larger part in the movie. But I am curious about this – if you thought Zoe was a better actress than Karl would you then think her part should be larger? I’m guessing no, so why compare their acting skills? This isn’t about acting skills but characters, right?

225. gingerly - February 26, 2011

So no, sorry, but my mind did not at all think OOOh – “oral sex”. Didn’t even occur to me.

Shoot, mine did, fo sho! :)

But eh, hate that the double entendre has to be explained to people, kinda’ takes some of the fun out of it.

I hope there’s more Karl Urban, more Simon and more Zoe Saldana in the next movie.

…As far as box office cred goes, Zoe has the most in the cast.

Give her the name marquee, she’s earned.

226. yvettedeena - February 26, 2011

dmduncan – I watched the commentary with the writers and directors and I just didn’t get the whole “hee, hee, she’s screwing Spock” angle from them. I guess you would chalk that up to my being a woman but I have never had a problem picking up that kind of stuff in other movies, so what do I know.

227. yvettedeena - February 26, 2011

Thank you gingerly – you are indeed the voice of reason. There is no reason Uhura’s part in the movie has to be sacrificed to bump up McCoy’s.

228. Red Dead Ryan - February 26, 2011

224

If you re-read what I wrote also said that McCoy was much more vital to the relationship with Kirk and Spock. It goes all the way back to TOS. His role has always been bigger than Uhura’s. I’m not saying Uhura should be brushed aside, it’s just that the character dynamics of “The Original Series” should be preserved because it’s what made TOS so special.

Bottom line, Uhura can still play a significant role, but McCoy needs to be treated as an equal alongside Kirk and Spock.

And my statement about Karl Urban being the better actor was not the MAIN point. It was the final one. :-)

229. gingerly - February 26, 2011

@228

And my statement about Karl Urban being the better actor was not the MAIN point. It was the final one.

Karl is great as McCoy. He’s a Trekkie and he was devoted to playing him as well, as he grew up knowing him.

…but I’ve been Mr. Urban’s fan for a long time (I remember the blond hair and Cupid toga of Hercules).

There’s a big difference between being perfect for a role and being a better actor, in general.

I think everyone is perfectly capable acting-wise, but if you disregard imitating the TOS blueprint, IMO, Chris Pine and Zoe Saldana did best of the cast.

It’s similar to how I feel about that year Jamie Foxx won the best actor Oscar. Great imitation as Ray, but IMO Don Cheadle was the better actor (Hotel Rwanda), that year.

230. Iva - February 26, 2011

@221 “”"”"”"”"”"”". yvettedeena – February 26, 2011
Hand

The line was “And did not, on multiple occasions, demonstrate exceptional aural sensitivity and *I quote* an unparalleled ability to identify sonic anomalies in subspace transmission in tests?

So no, sorry, but my mind did not at all think OOOh – “oral sex”. Didn’t even occur to me.”"”"”"”

Uhura’s demand to be put on the ship she desires has nothing to do with her qualifications as a cadet. For one simple reason even a kid can understand.
Because those are NOT RELEVANT to giving assignments to different ships and therefore can not be used as an argument.
Where Kirk found her is the same meaningless job she would have been doing on any other ship, whatever her grade average.
What ship you end up on is determined by either randomising the list of cadets or using the alphabet order.
The decision to put her on a different ship to his is a correct professional decision to make that in no way affects her work as a cadet – not a “reverse discrimination”.

So, yes, taking that into account, it is obvious the whole charade is simply making a scene in public to get the instructor you’re sleeping with to give in so that you will shut up about how you “earned” it.

231. DarthDogg - February 26, 2011

IVA

We have beaten that point to the ground by now. true it seems so obvious to us that even a monkey could get that her using there relationship to her advantage was the whole point of the scene, that it boggles are mind that others cant see it.

but fact is, others either dont see it or they are in serious denial. At this point, i dont think we are going to change thier minds, so I feal done with that part of the subject. lets just hope they can do better in the next one.

232. Harry Ballz - February 26, 2011

196.

Actually, I think, in that scenario, it is FAR more appropriate to have Durance cast in the role of “Number Two”. Perfect typecasting in my book!

233. Hallie McForglesworth - February 26, 2011

I was amazed when Kirk used the force and switched off his targeting computer.

234. Jeyl - February 26, 2011

@222: “Uhura is a great, albeit secondary character,”

Doesn’t take much, does it?

235. Harry Ballz - February 26, 2011

Bob Orci:

British Naval Dude (Del Trame) was much loved on this site, and it would be a GREAT TRIBUTE to him (and all the fans here) if somehow his name was worked into the next movie.

Personally, I think the name Del Trame, sounds like a great character name that SHOULD be used in fiction.

Hell, with a name like that, he could have been a member of The Legion of Superheroes!

236. Jeyl - February 26, 2011

@204: “and by the way, dammit, uhura was asking a question the audience needed asking: why not just beam the old vulcans out of the arc? drama just works that way.”

Exposition works that way, not drama. Before Star Trek 2009, the only bad type of exposition I knew were the ones that pad out scenes with details we already know (which this Star Trek also had). I’ve never seen exposition done in such a way where it actually diminishes the characters.

237. yvettedeena - February 26, 2011

Darthdogg, I will let this one go – and by the way – that’s extremely childish.

238. DarthDogg - February 26, 2011

237

Enlighten me!

239. Thorbury - February 26, 2011

This is not filling me with confidence.

240. boborci - February 26, 2011

231. DarthDogg – February 26, 2011

Since you’re done, I’ll just say the intention of the scene was the opposite of your interpretation:)

241. Stefan Chab - February 26, 2011

@240 My thoughts exactly.

242. Aurore - February 26, 2011

@241 MY thoughts exactly.

243. Iva - February 26, 2011

Intention was the opposite ….. ok.

So the fact that they do turn out to have an affair,
(even though implicating that he is bedding a student was “not intention” of that scene),
which in turn does turn out to affect his job performance
( even though implicating that he could be swayed was “not intention” of that scene),
is a complete coincidence.

244. boborci - February 26, 2011

243.

I was responding to 231 who said:

“it seems so obvious to us that even a monkey could get that her using there relationship to her advantage was the whole point of the scene, that it boggles are mind that others cant see it.”

So, when I say the intention was the opposite, it means what others have said, that she was being punished. As a result of Spock’s fondness for her, he was overlooking the person he would’ve otherwise considered to be the most qualified to be on the new flagship. She was correcting a wrong, not taking advantage and being wrong.

245. boborci - February 26, 2011

As for bedding people, and affairs and such… none of those things are part of the record of canon. We basically have two kisses in the record. That’s it. Anything else is pure speculation.

246. gingerly - February 26, 2011

@ 245

Thank you, for clarifying. :)

247. Daoud - February 26, 2011

Spock is the equivalent of a graduate command student at the Academy. Even in today’s universe, a college grad student dating a fourth-year undergrad isn’t an affair, or unusual.

248. DarthDogg - February 26, 2011

BobOrci

I simply do not care for the idea of Spock of all people bedding down one of his students. I dont buy it. Its not Spock. As I said once before, i have no objection to your writing a relationship were one did not exist before, this is after all, an alternate reality. But can you see were it might have been better to have the relationship start once they are on the enterprise, during the crisis of Vulcan, spock giving in to his emotions, Uhura seeing his pain and so on. As opposed to having the relationship already formed under unprofessional circumstances. For the audiance, it would give more investment for us in thier relationship to see it form in that way as opposed to an instructor/student thing that is just so out of character for Spock. i dont mean to offend, this is simply my fealings on the matter and i may be alone in them, if so..then so be it and who cares what i think.

249. Daoud - February 26, 2011

As far as we know, only Kirk has seen Uhura in her underwear, and Spock hasn’t! ;)

@boborci… seeing you here is a good sign methinks. How did the hotel hole-up work out?

250. Iva - February 26, 2011

The job she was doing on the Enterprise needed a “most qualified” cadet to do it? :D

There is a inter-ship hierarchy going on?
Cadets on the Enterprise have more important assignments than what they would have had on any other ship,
even with the same qualifications and level of skill?

wow, this one is new.

Thank god Kirk found her and removed her from that “important” cadet job
which demanded a “most qualified” person, and put her on the bridge.

251. Blue Shirt - February 26, 2011

Bob,

Is it safe to say Mr. Pegg will have more screen time?

252. gingerly - February 26, 2011

@251

I don’t think Simon would call the script AMAZEBALLS if he had less screentime. :)

253. boborci - February 26, 2011

248.

See 245. For all we know, all they’ve done is have coffee as tutored her and no one else — all age of innocence crap kinda stuff.

As far is canon is concerned, you are free to look at their kiss on the turbo lift as their first! In every sense, we tried to thread the needle of canon and none canon as carefully as we could. Our gift to you. And this is the thanks we get?

I keeeeeed! All in good fun.

254. boborci - February 26, 2011

251. Blue Shirt – February 26, 2011

Let’s see how he behaves;)

255. dmduncan - February 26, 2011

yeah, and since I’m on record a few times about S/U, I don’t read the whole “oral”/”aural” double entendre angle as that they were having sex. But I would be lying if I said my eyebrow didn’t raise Spock-like slightly when I first heard that line. Every time I hear it, in fact. I have to associate the sound with the “correct” alternative, i.e., “aural” not “oral.”

256. gingerly - February 26, 2011

@254

Since you’re here, here’s are some left-field questions.

Will Simon Pegg get his own personal towel this time?
Is Keenser coming back?
Any new additions to the crew (you don’t have to tell us who or if they are technically new, as in more rebooted TOS people)?
Will Madeline, the silver-eyed crusty gray alien be back?
What about Cupcake?

257. DarthDogg - February 26, 2011

BobOrci

Ha, LOL, You had no idea what you were getting into when you took that job did you. I feal for you man. Trek fandome is full of overly criticle guys like me. Please dont take it the wrong way, we can be like overly protective parents at times. As for Spock/Uhura, If you are telling me that that was there first kiss then that was there first kiss. i just dont know a single person that didnt see it the way I did (you know, as so much more with Uhura manipulating him with it. But you wrote so ill concead here. And believe it or not, as ive already said before, despite my nitpicking, i do like the movie, I can nitpick the Wrath of khan to death too so take that for what ever its worth.

258. Aurore - February 26, 2011

“As for bedding people, and affairs and such…none of those things are part of the record of canon.”

That’s right. They’re not. Not yet.

:)

259. Iva - February 26, 2011

@ “245. boborci – February 26, 2011
As for bedding people, and affairs and such… none of those things are part of the record of canon. We basically have two kisses in the record. That’s it. Anything else is pure speculation.”

Tell that to your lovely actors and star trek pages who treat it as a lot more than “two kisses on the record”.

260. gingerly - February 26, 2011

i just dont know a single person that didnt see it the way I did (you know, as so much more with Uhura manipulating him with it.

Hahaha. Wow, you need to get to know a more diverse crop of people.

261. Harry Ballz - February 26, 2011

245. Bob Orci

“We basically have two kisses in the record. That’s it. Anything else is pure speculation”

Bob, if you think we’re going to buy that all they’ve done up to this point is KISS, you can KISS that notion goodbye!

I, myself, believe they’ve pon farrther than THAT! :>)

262. dmduncan - February 26, 2011

Yeah, like is Nick Frost going to be added to the crew? Simon Pegg without Nick Frost is like Abbott without Costello. And yes, I WOULD like some Abbott and Costello in my Star Trek. How about a variation of “Who’s on first” called “Who’s manning the dilithium chamber?”

263. DarthDogg - February 26, 2011

Harry Ballz

LOL!!!

264. gingerly - February 26, 2011

@259

*sigh*

Stepping in to explain again, as much as Orci was clear, people still aren’t getting it.

He left it open to interpretation.

…As in, one can choose to interpret it as they personally see fit (actors, fans, whoever).

They don’t have to worry about writers threatening them to stop taking it too far, lest some fans get their panties in a bunch over whether or not Spock made love to someone.

Actors or whoever, seeing it one way shouldn’t warrant a reprimand from the writers, as you suggest.

265. boborci - February 26, 2011

259. Iva – February 26, 2011

“Tell that to your lovely actors and star trek pages who treat it as a lot more than “two kisses on the record”.

—-

I just did!

266. boborci - February 26, 2011

261. Well, if we go by the book, Spock did not know Uhura when he was 21, his last bout of Pon Farr. Depending on the month of the year in which he and Uhura kiss on the ship, he may still be 27, and therefore not in his new stage of Pon Farr.

Problem solved!

267. gingerly - February 26, 2011

@266

So, you’re saying the sequel takes place during his next pon farr???

:D

268. Harry Ballz - February 26, 2011

266.

So, assuming Spock will be 28 by the time of the next movie….are you expecting an “R” rating?

Or, in BND terms, an Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rating?

p.s. love your TWOK quote…..”go by the book”.

269. Iva - February 26, 2011

Yes, he is…. or isn’t…. doesn’t matter either way
Zoe sad she wants it so… jj will back her up, script is altered to fit.

270. Aurore - February 26, 2011

“I just did!”

Yeah, yeah…sure. You just did.But, you didn’t really mean it ,right?

Come on! You can tell me!

271. DarthDogg - February 26, 2011

Ok we all know Vulcans have to mate or fight to the death every 7 years, but does that does not mean that they cannot mate of there own free will inbetween does it. If so, jeeesh, no wonder Amanda dressed like a nun.

272. boborci - February 26, 2011

257. DarthDogg – February 26, 2011
BobOrci

Ha, LOL, You had no idea what you were getting into when you took that job did you. I feal for you man. Trek fandome is full of overly criticle guys like me. Please dont take it the wrong way, we can be like overly protective parents at times. As for Spock/Uhura, If you are telling me that that was there first kiss then that was there first kiss. i just dont know a single person that didnt see it the way I did (you know, as so much more with Uhura manipulating him with it. But you wrote so ill concead here. And believe it or not, as ive already said before, despite my nitpicking, i do like the movie, I can nitpick the Wrath of khan to death too so take that for what ever its worth.

———-

I’m not telling you it’s their first kiss. Not how canon works — Canon is bigger than both of us If it’s not in the record, it ain’t canon.

I did have some idea of what I was getting into, but not really. I’ll take nitpicks anytime. Fun stuff.

Perhaps we should have a poll –

HOW FAR HAVE KIRK AND UHURA GONE?

A. Swing and a Miss

B. First Base

C. Second Base

D. Third Base

E. Grand Slam

273. dmduncan - February 26, 2011

I know there’s a way to figure out something important by what Bob just said. But I think I’m lazy right now.

274. Iva - February 26, 2011

F. as far as it was needed to get promoted.

275. boborci - February 26, 2011

267. gingerly – February 26, 2011

It might!

Or we’ll skip it entirely. Who knows;)

276. DarthDogg - February 26, 2011

Sweat. Well, since I started this mess let me put my vote in.

Uhura as portrayed in the film struck me as a Tease. So I vote for A. Easier to manipulate him if she leaves him panting for it. lol.

277. dmduncan - February 26, 2011

Bob you sneaky sob!

278. dmduncan - February 26, 2011

Funny thing about saying you’re lazy is, soon as you say it, you’re not lazy anymore!

279. Blue Shirt - February 26, 2011

254: Pegg behave? Looks like another cameo for him!

280. Harry Ballz - February 26, 2011

272.

Bob, shouldn’t that read SPOCK and Uhura?

A Freudian slip regarding the sequel, maybe???

281. gingerly - February 26, 2011

@273

HOLY CRAP!! dmduncan, this is your opening, for Kirk/Uhura!

But on boborci’s question.

Given future sex politics being less prudish, it’s difficult to say.

Though, the teleporter scene felt more like “…someone got there before I did.”

I think, ‘B’ is possible if he showed some moments of less smug and more genuine leadership/caring about people.

282. AJ - February 26, 2011

Sheesh, all this talk about Uhura and Spock is nothing compared to the uproar 26 years ago when, in STV, Uhura and Scotty seemed to have an autumn affair.

It was handled with typical Bill Shatner directorial subtlety, and threw us all out of a story we had been thrown out of a dozen times already.

ST09′s Uhura/Spock relatonship, thankfully, made some sense, and allowed Spock just a small bit of release given the weight of the issues at hand. “Tell the crew to continue behaving admirably” was a mighty comeback from despair, and Quinto, in that scene, gained my total respect as Spock.

283. DarthDogg - February 26, 2011

Harry Ballz

holy crap, I didnt even notice that. Well in that case i change my vote to E.

284. dmduncan - February 26, 2011

281: “HOLY CRAP!! dmduncan, this is your opening, for Kirk/Uhura!’

Nah! Will say this, though. Together with other things he said, I do believe Bob let a clue slip.

285. DarthDogg - February 26, 2011

284

You may be right, Sounds like pon farr is coming into play, i just hope the plan isnt to remake Amok Time, only this time with a twist. Uhura has to fight Spocks hot as hell pre arranged vulcan wife. I realy hope not. Unless of course the plan is to have them fight in thier undies, then by all means Bob, go For It!!!

286. Iva - February 26, 2011

When Gene Spock cheated on T’Pring he was under influence and she wanted him dead anyway. This time when he has no excuse for doing it, my guess is her whole clan will be after him. XD

287. boborci - February 26, 2011

Oops! HAHA!

Freudian slip. Trouble is I was switching back and forth between the script and this board.

Wouldn’t read too deeply into it. Or would I?

288. gingerly - February 26, 2011

Trouble is I was switching back and forth between the script and this board.

O_O!!!!!

289. DarthDogg - February 26, 2011

Bob

Freudian slip. Trouble is I was switching back and forth between the script and this board.

Dude, screw this board, keep workin. The wait has been too long as it is!

290. Aurore - February 26, 2011

Perhaps we should have a poll :

- Roberto Orci had a Freudian slip.

-Roberto Orci accidentally let a clue slip.

-Roberto Orci is eating and listening to some music while switching back and forth

between the script and this board and has therefore accidentally let a clue slip.

291. Basement Blogger - February 26, 2011

@ 272 Bob Orci

I vote “E” for grand slam but how do you go from first base to grand slam? Are we now involving Kirk and Sulu? Or are we talking about how many dingers Spock hit before they shipped out?

292. Basement Blogger - February 26, 2011

@ 254 Bob Orci

On keeping Simon Pegg in line, just remind him you’ve destroyed Vulcan, killed off Amanda, and you can promote Keenser (Deep Roy) to chief engineer. And since he used a word (“amazeballs?!) that Perez Hilton allegedly made up, why don’t we invent a phrase here?

“Simon, keep it up. We’ll just have to CHARLIE SHEEN you.” Or “Simon, keep it up. Is Meagan Fox in the third Transformers movie?” :-)

293. The Picard Maneuver - February 26, 2011

I also hope its amazesnatch.

Can’t wait to start to see some leaked images and teasers!!!

294. dmduncan - February 26, 2011

285: “i just hope the plan isnt to remake Amok Time,”

I don’t think it’s a straight up remake of Amok Time. However, elements of Amok Time may naturally fit and be combined in a story that is about something else. In other words, elements of two or more TOS plotlines may naturally fit into the sequel as a consequence of things that happened in ST.09.

“only this time with a twist. Uhura has to fight Spocks hot as hell pre arranged vulcan wife.”

Was thinking the same thing.

295. DanielHead - February 26, 2011

diane kruger for nurse chaple great actress

296. dmduncan - February 26, 2011

287. boborci – February 26, 2011

Hahaha! To quote from the movie Juno:

“That’s one doodle that can’t be undid, homeskillet.”

297. dmduncan - February 26, 2011

Well, looks like lots of fun stuff brewing in the sequel! I love this site. It’s exciting!

298. DarthDogg - February 26, 2011

dmduncan

I don’t think it’s a straight up remake of Amok Time. However, elements of Amok Time may naturally fit and be combined in a story that is about something else. In other words, elements of two or more TOS plotlines may naturally fit into the sequel as a consequence of things that happened in ST.09.

To be honost dude, i dont want to see any plot elements from TOS reused. I dont want villans of the week, i dont want a plot to destroy the earth. I just want the Enterprise far, far away from earth and all we know exploring strange NEW worlds and NEW civilizations.

299. Iva - February 26, 2011

289 .

<3

300. Hugh Hoyland - February 26, 2011

297 Agreed 100% Fun, and its really cool that we get to interact with one of the people who’s actually writting what we’ll see in the theater! No kiss butt here, but I’m certain I’ve never read any sites where a A list writter interacts this fans as often as Bob does (Maybe they do and I just havent seen em). But it has me liking the guy, IMO above all it shows he’s like us, a fan!

301. DarthDogg - February 26, 2011

300

Sylvester Stallone frequently gets involved at Aintitcool.com But yea, Bobs a rare one.

302. DarthDogg - February 26, 2011

299

Its more like <<<<<<<3

303. gingerly - February 26, 2011

@302

Would you still love him if Spock and Uhura bump uglies like bunnies in the sequel?

304. DarthDogg - February 26, 2011

303.

Yea, why not. The relationship exists, no changing that so they might as well, I just ask that they arent doing it during a red Alert when everyone else is working.

305. Iva - February 26, 2011

@ 300 nothing against bob, don’t know the guy, but I do hope nobody counts all of us as fans, just for being here.

@302 lol, that was a typo, I was citing 298

” I dont want villans of the week, i dont want a plot to destroy the earth. I just want the Enterprise far, far away from earth and all we know exploring strange NEW worlds and NEW civilizations.”

Totally agree

306. DarthDogg - February 26, 2011

305 Iva

NP, I thought you were upset I told Bob to quite gabbin and go back to work. No harm, I thought it was funny. Thanks

307. dmduncan - February 26, 2011

After using MWI/QM to create the alternate universe, you sort of now have this opportunity to play off TOS canon and use the MWI theme to have a running commentary on what identity means, because some things will be the same and some things will unfold differently; so TOS is this wonderful background that, even if general audiences don’t get it, fans of TOS will, because we can draw on our familiarity with that other history, and the sequel can have more depth for us…a reward that people just walking into the theater to see it for the first time won’t have.

I think that’s a good thing and I think it would be missing a lot to waste the opportunity to do that. Those moments do not have to be the entire movie, but just as I doubt that Bob is going to walk away from the destruction of Vulcan in the sequel as if something that big never happened, I also don’t think he can ignore the MWI/QM angle that ST.09 began with. It’s now part of the new story.

308. gingerly - February 26, 2011

@303

Eh, I think if they did, folks would think of other stipulations besides the red alert, mostly resting on what Uhura should or shouldn’t have done. :)

@305

@ 300 nothing against bob, don’t know the guy, but I do hope nobody counts all of us as fans, just for being here.

:) God forbid!

309. pock speared - February 26, 2011

anyone who reads “aural” as “oral” should avoid ordering aloud from the menu. you’ll be served poison instead of fish.

and b’orci, let me know: was there a full stop on the way to vulcan in the script (as in the novelization) that never made it to screen? don’t worry, your secret is safe here.

310. dmduncan - February 26, 2011

And that means that TOS elements may actually be necessary to explore those ideas. Necessary to show what in us remains the same regardless of what accidents or misfortunes occur that change what might have been. You need to see it again differently to see what stays the same in both. Without that contrast, you won’t know. So TOS elements are, I think, important to see if Bob is going to continue with the theme of identity for the sequel.

311. Hateya - February 26, 2011

@Boborci

You said, “As for bedding people, and affairs and such… none of those things are part of the record of canon.”

Soseki said it was not only the responsibility of the writer to get his point across to the readers, it was also the responsibility of the reader to understand what has been written. I apply this logic when I watch films as well. In the 2009 movie, I didn’t see a single scene where it was implicitly stated or even implied that Uhura used her evil girl parts on Spock to advance her career. Instead, I saw Uhura *earning* everything she received. In fact, you aced the scene where Uhura demanded to be put on the Enterprise.

On the other hand, you get a failing grade for not allowing Uhura to use the Romulan language because that’s the primary reason Captain Pike made her Chief Communications Officer. In addition, you barely pass for not giving Uhura a valid reason to accompany Spock and Kirk to the transporter room before they left to save the Federation. A single sentence could have paralleled the the walk between Captain Hotness and George Kirk and/or even the walk Captain Pike, Kirk, Spock and Sulu took before Pike beamed over to the Narada.

It doesn’t matter if Uhura is a main character. She is YOUR character and it’s YOUR job to make sure she doesn’t continue to suffer this maltreatment. Please do right by her in Star Trek 2012. Having her go back and forth between two men won’t cut it and neither will making her asexual and undesirable or worse a little sex kitten in the background. Your 2009 movie betas failed you in this area. Get some new ones, please.

Uhura/Spock done right = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Uhura/Kirk done = $$

Good luck with the 2012 script, man! Write-on!!! *fist bump*

312. gingerly - February 26, 2011

@311

She is YOUR character and it’s YOUR job to make sure she doesn’t continue to suffer this maltreatment

I’m sorry, but this sounds just as cuckoo to me as the “OMG she’s manipulating Spock!” people.

Ugh.

As for the money, I think that’ll come in if it’s good movie, regardless of Spock/Uhura and I say this as someone who likes the pairing.

313. Vultan - February 26, 2011

I just hope in the sequel Uhura tells Spock she loves him before he’s encased in carbonite.

Trace on, Hollywood.

314. Hateya - February 26, 2011

@312 gingerly,

Ah, so I’m cuckoo because you decided I was? Or is it possible that you don’t understand how the creative process works? Either way, it doesn’t matter. I’ll just make it easy. I confess. Cuckoo, I am. Yay! I’m out the cuckoo-closet. That feels so good. Now I can unabashedly champion my favorite characters and pairing without reservation or consideration for time. Cuckoo-ness is GOOD.

Now I can remind Boborci at random about all the lives he and Alex touched when they made decisions that went against the grain of how Hollywood has operated since it’s inception and continues to operate to this day with a few extremely RARE exceptions. Cuckoo-ness is GOOD.

$$$$$$, love and senseless violence makes the world go round and movies with a balance of all three makes for fairly thick wallets. In my corner of the world, the movie broke Trek records at the box office because the bootlegged copies showed us Uhura/Spock and due to our extreme happiness with the situation, those of us didn’t know ST 8-11 had even been released in this country marched our butts right on out to the theaters and plucked down our disposable $$$$$. Then we bought DVDs and Blue something or another although the bootleg copies had also included the special goodies. Common sense…er… sorry…Cuckoo-ness is GOOD

Now you have yourself a good life there, gingerly.

@Boborci. From Cuckoos everywhere. Write On! *multiple fist bumps*

315. DarthDogg - February 26, 2011

314

Dont sweat gingerly to much. Gingerly has done nothing but call people trolls, cuckoo and wrong for there views all wile contibuting nothing of any real relavence to the conversations. In other words. gingerly has been hanging around but has contributed nothing to the plot. Hmmmm. sounds like someone else whos been the topic of much discusion here ; )

316. boborci - February 26, 2011

309

yeah, that was in the first draft.

317. DarthDogg - February 26, 2011

Bob

could you please answer (if you know) why the womans uniforms had no rank. Ive looked everywere and Uhuras uniform with the sleeves off has no rank. This bugs me more than anything else.

318. DarthDogg - February 26, 2011

I am refering to the starfleet uniforms not the cadet ones.

319. DarthDogg - February 26, 2011

Bob
I realize that costuming isnt your area, and I hate to nitpick you further but I dunno…this is one of those details I’m inclined to be critical of. Trek is supposed to be about a brighter future and a unified humanity, where people really are created equal. Yeah, the go-go boots and miniskirts were campy fun, and it just wouldn’t be the 23rd century without them, but the complete absence of rank identification is, well, not equal.

320. Iva - February 26, 2011

They can have mini golden pom poms to indicate rank, would fit in with the uniforms :)

321. DarthDogg - February 26, 2011

Maybe the rank is stitched on the back of thier panties, requiring them to bend over to show it :)

322. Iva - February 26, 2011

And the captain’s nipples would be painted gold, with the appropriately placed tear in the shirt.

323. Hateya - February 26, 2011

Opps, I meant ST 7-10, not 11 because obviously I’ve seen that.

@315 / DarthDogg,

Thanks. I’m not worried about gingerly. In fact, all he/she did was given me an opening to discuss something else.

Good question about the uniforms. I remember the transporter chief having rank, but then again she was in pants. You know I might have deluded myself into believing that Uhura’s one piece was still a part of her cadet gear and not the actual Starfleet rankless uniform. Let’s hope this was the case, yet McCoy had no difficulty changing into a SF uniform with his rank on display.

324. Basement Blogger - February 26, 2011

I’m guessing that Paramount will release the new Star Trek in 3D. So let me repeat it again. Paramount, please expand the budget to allow it to be filmed in 3D. No conversions. I’ve always complained that 3D movies are too dark and here’s a short article as to why that is, from Film.com Link below.

One important thing about knowing if it is going to be released in 3D according to the article. Both the director and director of photography can adjust lighting the scenes for 3D. Of course, special effects can be prepared to maximize the use of 3D if the decision is made early on. Oh, and let’s not be so negative about 3D. If it makes them more money, I figure that’s more Star Trek in the future for all of us. Maybe CBS can do something with the TV side…

On why 3D films are dark..
http://www.film.com/features/story/why-3-d-cinema-so/44622527?_r=true

325. Hateya - February 26, 2011

*given* = give in 323. Must learn to think in only one language.

@321 DarthDogg

Maybe white panties under red mini-skirts indicates rank.;) Good thing we saw her strip down or we never would have known.

326. DarthDogg - February 26, 2011

225, LOL yep. that must be it. but in answer to your question. The red uniform she wears on the ship is the standard femail starfleet uniform, all of which have no rank.

324 Good comments about the 3-D. i cant wait to see those lens flaires blairing at me in three dementions.

327. Iva - February 26, 2011

3D would be good it they used it only for space scenes. Scratch that, it would be awesome. Depending on the script, I might eve be tempted to go and see it instead of downloading.

But for anything else…. no? Especially not if it would mean a random Keenser sitting on top of something scene and throwing random somethings in your face just so they can have a 3D scene.

328. VZX - February 26, 2011

Since we are nit-picking, I just thought of one:

When and why and how was Scotty made Cheif Engineer of the Enterprise?

For that matter, why did Scotty beam to the Enterprise with Kirk?

None of these was explained in the movie. I get that further exposition when so much of it was already being done during that time would of slowed the pace down too much, but still, this movie was about the origins. We saw Sulu there as a sub for the sick helmsmen, Uhuru knew Spock and more languages so got the promotion, and we even got a quick scene on how Bones got promoted to Cheif Medical Officer. We never saw how Scotty made it to his destined position like the others. Yes, Engineer Olsen got red-shirted, but it was difficult to make the connection during the film (and those scenes were far apart).

I would have liked one line by Spock Prime on why Scotty needed to go with Kirk, maybe like “He is unmatched in transporter knowledge, you need Mr. Scott to beam you to the Narada”. And then another line by Kirk on the bridge after he made himself acting captain: (to Scotty): “We need a cheif engineer, you interested?” Scotty (channeling classic Doohan): “Aye”

I know, Monday-morning quarterbacking….I’m a Trekkie, its what we do.

329. Victor Hugo - February 26, 2011

328. .That would be nice, but somewhat unnecessary, just like that extra scene in “Empire Strikes Back – Special Edition”, which shows Darth Vader walking to a shuttle.

What happens off-camera stays off-camera.

330. Green Blooded Bastard - February 26, 2011

I saw the elevator kiss as a first kiss/moment of compassion/passion. Uhura is trained to not just listen to sounds and communications, but interpret meaning and intent, almost as an empath would, by intuition…kinda.

I think her proclivity to interpreting led her to believe Spock needed more than a friend, and she was simply happy to oblige (and their conversations at Starfleet led me to believe their might have been an unspoken attraction between them anyway). She seemed to really feel for his pain, at least that’s the idea Saldana gave me. She’s very good.

Personally, I like the relationship. To me, it’s one more thing Spock has to deal with in regards to his human side…the passion of love.

331. Harry Ballz - February 26, 2011

287. Bob Orci “Wouldn’t read too deeply into it. Or would I?”

Boy, Bob, you really like to keep your butt covered, don’t you?

As long as there’s a Mugatu/Gorn sex scene, I don’t care!

332. Red Dead Ryan - February 26, 2011

331

So, you’d like some alien pourn in the sequel? GORN-ication?

333. Harry Ballz - February 26, 2011

330.

Yeah, except if memory serves, after that scene, later when Spock is going to fly the Spock Prime ship, he says to Kirk, “If I don’t succeed, tell Uhura I…” and Kirk cuts him off saying the plan will work. If Spock and Uhura had only kissed in the turbolift for the first time, what was he going to say as a message? “Tell her ‘thanks for the tongue’?”

Nah, there was a more extensive history between them than THAT!

334. Harry Ballz - February 26, 2011

332.

Hey, once you go lizard, you are a sex wizard!

335. Iva - February 26, 2011

3D tentacle hentai?

336. dmduncan - February 26, 2011

Gingerly is no newbie. She’s contributed plenty to these talkbacks.

She and I are on opposite sides of the S/U romance; we each made our cases regarding the future S/U should take before Justice Bob. In those threads, which got heated at times, she advocated for S/U stronger and better than anybody else in here, certainly better than Hateya who keeps brandishing hyperinflated $$$$$ as an excuse to keep up S/U.

Besides, the oral arguments phase for the major issues is PROBABLY over. I can’t imagine this far along in the plot Bob hasn’t decided what to do with THAT part of the story yet. So now it’s sit tight and wait to see how amazeballs it all really turns out.

337. Andrews - February 26, 2011

Anyone arguing for “more professionalism” on a starship helmed by

~*~**~**~*~******James T. Kirk*****~*~**~**~*~

needs to rewatch some ship-stealing movies immediately, particularly STIV.

When I want professional, by-the-book Trek, I watch my TNG DVDs and delight in the badass diplomat that is Jean-Luc Picard. When I want exciting space dramu, I look to the captaincy of Kirk, who is not. Um. Known for doing things by-the-book.

Yes, another comm officer answered Spock’s order to evacuate Vulcan, giving Uhura an opportunity to get Spock to answer the audience’s question as to why he was gonna have a dramatic chase scene instead of a boring beam-up. (AND PROVIDED FORESHADOWING TO THEIR RELATIONSHIP)

Yes, anyone with more than three brain cells to rub together and without a vendetta against the fairer sex could see that it was Uhura being wronged in the hangar scene due to Spock’s worrying about his own image. (AND THAT IT PROVIDED FORESHADOWING TO THEIR RELATIONSHIP)

Boborci, keep up the good fight and I beg of you not to listen to anyone here at all, especially in their brilliant “ideas” of how the sequel would be improved by having the ~*~holy trifecta~*~ of three white men take the spotlight again (from that upstart Uhura!). Because forty years isn’t enough for them, apparently.

Another true ensemble piece, pls. (Also, shirtless Sulu would not be objected to from my corner. Just sayin’.)

338. DarthDogg - February 27, 2011

Andrews

Anyone who advocates to lose the Kirk/Spock/Bones Dynamic that was the very heart and sole of TOS loses all credabilty in anything they say. also, I have not gotten a vibe that one single person here has a vendeta against woman. If anything, the opposite is true. they think certain female characters should and could be portrayed better. or at the very least, deserve to have rank insignias on thier uniforms. So if thats what you think is going on here, you sir do not even have three brain cells.

339. Andrews - February 27, 2011

// Anyone who advocates to lose the Kirk/Spock/Bones Dynamic that was the very heart and sole of TOS loses all credabilty in anything they say.//

o rly. Methinks you fear change above all else, DarthDogg.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoPiJOubR-4

First of all, it’s “soul,” unless you’re arguing that the three of them made a fish together, which I also disagree with. Secondly, Star Trek more or less single-handedly invented the “Kirk-Spock-McCoy” trifecta, which has now become cliche and is found in everything from Buffy the Vampire Slayer (Buffy-Willow-Xander) to Harry Potter (Harry-Hermione-Ron). It’s also, in the case of Star Trek, a bit unfortunate in that it limits what’s supposed to be the dream-reaching experience of the human (and Vulcan) race into the experience of white men (and white Vulcans).

There’s absolutely nothing preventing that dynamic from morphing into a… get ready for it… QUATERNION. (Look it up if you must.) McCoy on Kirk’s side; Uhura on Spock’s. McCoy grounding Kirk and acting as a confidante, as he did in prime verse; Uhura drawing Spock out of his vulcan-ness and being a different kind of confidante. All four personalities pinging against each other, focusing on Spock and Kirk’s growing friendship (as the focus should be) in the center of it all. LIKE A BEAUTIFUL DANCE. There’s even the parallelism of McCoy’s first (positive) impression of Spock and Uhura’s first (negative) impression of Kirk eventually switching places, into snark and respect, respectively. I bet it could even give Uhura and McCoy an engaging and entirely new friendship that they didn’t have in TOS.

This is something new and exciting. It is not slavish devotion when we have an entirely new universe of possibilities. It’s what excites me about the reboot, and it’s why I’m not just watching reruns on TOS all the time and grousing about uniform design to the screenwriter (spoiler, he does not begin to have control over that nonsense). And it’s why I’m glad you’re not writing the movie. ^-^ ^-^

340. pock speared - February 27, 2011

@339 andrews
basic fundamentals of aesthetics demand isometrics in all art forms: four is balanced, and inherently uninteresting. if you want drama, go for threes, fives and sevens. but based on how remarkably how uninteresting TNG could be, trying to give full time to seven characters, i say stick with three, with four supporting. uhura, sulu, chekov and scotty are good sport for something for the trifecta to muse upon, at best.

the real model here is kirk with an angel and a devil on each ear, also known as the human condition.

i imagine that b’orci & co. are well-versed in joseph campbell. are you?

341. DarthDogg - February 27, 2011

First off, Change is good only if what is being changed did not work before. The dynamic of the characters of the TOS was perfect. No one is aguing against the new relationship, simply in the way it was handled. I for one, think it would be a mistake to get rid of it now that its there. So in that regard, the change is accepted.

Second, Like a beutiful dance. DUDE, for real, what movie were you watcing. It was good and all but for christ sake it wasnt poetry.

Third, a Quateration, would be fine, I think most people are more affraid that bones will be religated to a background character as compared to his previous importance, as long as the essence of the big three is not lost, i dont think anyone would care if anyone else is added to the mix

Fourth, If you werent trying so hard to be impressive with your pretentiousness you would have noted that it was indeed mentioned that costuming was not his department when asked about the ranks, however, ass good buds as he is with JJ, He might be aware of why the decision was made

But hey, nice try, thanks for playing and please come again

Oh, and pointing out typos and misspellings this late at night, is a realy lame way to try and make a point.

342. DarthDogg - February 27, 2011

339

Totaly Agree. I think you said it better than i could, but its late and my eyes are gettin blurry, so with that. Laters all and good night.

343. DarthDogg - February 27, 2011

Sorry, that was 340 I was agreeing with, as I said, eyes are gettin blurry.

344. Andrews - February 27, 2011

// uhura, sulu, chekov and scotty are good sport for something for the trifecta to muse upon, at best. //

I’ve had forty years of them in the background. Let the chick at least come into the light at last. Also don’t you speak poorly of Keptin Sulu, or some smacking will have to occur.

// Change is good only if what is being changed did not work before. //

Yeah, you might not have noticed, but it wasn’t working for most of the Western population, save the geeks like us. Having the most important female character be fourth billing is not feasible in 2011. As the kids say: deal with it.

Not to mention, McCoy and Spock’s roles in the much-vaunted trifecta weren’t as equals, in terms of character focus, to Kirk; they were his contrasting supports. In STXI, Spock became a true main character of his own, with his own inner world, and with half the story told with him as co-protagonist. It’s another reason the K/S/M dynamic needs to change. Don’t be scared. Or, if you insist on being scared, please do so in your basement where your confused whimpers won’t bother the rest of us.

// Fourth, If you werent trying so hard to be impressive with your pretentiousness //

Geez, no one here likes humor, I guess. No wonder you all had such beefs with STXI.

345. boborci - February 27, 2011

340

Joe who?

328. VZX – February 26, 2011

He got a great recommendation from Spock Prime! After all, it was Scotty’s own equation that let them get back on the Enterprise and save the world as we know it..

346. Let Them Eat Plomeek Soup - February 27, 2011

@Iva

on second thought…

“YOU BETCHER ARSE, CAPTAIN!”

you may have a point there…

347. DarthDogg - February 27, 2011

Yeah, you might not have noticed, but it wasn’t working for most of the Western population, save the geeks like us. Having the most important female character be fourth billing is not feasible in 2011. As the kids say: deal with it.

Are these the same kids that make movies like Meet the Spartins, Epic movie, Disaster movie and other such sluck, all #1 . Oh Ok, I guess i need to get with the program…Dumb Ass! Ask yourself this, whats the one thing all films have to do to appeal to the masses, especialy the western masses. Answer, dumb itself down. You know what, I dont want my trek dumbed down to somthing that barely resembles its former self, If that means its not popular with the dimwit massess of this society, then by god, so be it.

348. Andrews - February 27, 2011

// Meet the Spartins, Epic movie, Disaster movie and other such sluck //

Where were the top-billed women in those movies?

I think you just answered your own question, champ :>

349. Andrews - February 27, 2011

Also, are you really claiming that ladies are stupid masses that we should not bother thinking about including somewhere other than “IN THE BACKGROUND ANSWERING SPACE-PHONES”?

We’re 51% of the population, dawg, and we’re ALMOST making eighty cents on the dollar at this point. We’re not going away. This is another thing you need to deal with.

I think we can reach a happy balance between the sausagefest that was TOS and the Twilight movies, btw, lest that be your next objection.

350. DarthDogg - February 27, 2011

Andrews

Who the hells talking about women, are you still on that kick. No one here to include myself has ever put down women. Do you you have some sort of inferiority complex? We were talking about Star Trek becoming popular to, as you put it, the western Massess, I did not realize that included only women. You spoke of fears earlier, I realy only have one, and it has nothing to do with women or how Uhura was portrayed or not portrayed. Its that Star Trek will fall victim to having to be dumbed down, filled with explosions and fead to us at a rapid fast cut pace in order to keep up with todays ADHD crowd.

You were right when you said the old trek was not as appealing to the Kids . I say so what! I loved Trek because it was ceribral and made you think, It did not always require action to entertain. The fact is, in order to sell tickets, a movie today does need to be dumbed down. Every thing to day is fast, full of explosion, a remake, or spelled out to you. And if its not, it tanks.

Could you imagine a great movie like 2001 being made today. it would totaly bomb. I could just here the kids today. It was boring. there were no Splosions, The end was not spelled out to me with a road map. But you just watch, when that movie gets remade, and you better believe it will, it will be dumbed down and filled to the brim with pointless action and explosions to appeal to todays crowd. The closest weve gotten to that is MOON, and it hardly lit the box office on fire, but it was good. So who cares if its popular now. frankly, I miss the old days when it belonged to a more exclusive club

I dont want this to happen to trek. im not saying it has or that the 09 movie did so (though it did a little). but there are certain signs that point that it could end up going down that road.

rest assured though, no matter what Road it takes. Women are welcome, so please get off that trip.

351. Hateya - February 27, 2011

@350 DarthDogg

You said, “The fact is, in order to sell tickets, a movie today does need to be dumbed down. Every thing to day is fast, full of explosion, a remake, or spelled out to you. And if its not, it tanks.”

I doubt anyone can argue against this. Studios = questionable balls. Come on studios, let these folks create and move beyond what has been done over and over and over again even if their ideas don’t garner 500 million at the box offices.

@336

“certainly better than Hateya who keeps brandishing hyperinflated $$$$$ as an excuse to keep up S/U.”

It’s 2011 and you’re still entirely too predictable and gullible. *Crickets* are love and I bestow them freely upon you. Ciao! Have a nice life.

352. captain_neill - February 27, 2011

It is a shame that studios are dumbing films too much these days, films these days do all the thinking for their audiences this time.

Films rely on character and story not explosions and sex.

353. Blue Shirt - February 27, 2011

328 + 345: great post from VZX. Those are the questions I’d love to see answered. How does one man go from virtually being exiled to becoming chief engineer/3rd in command on the federation flagship? (wouldn’t admiral archer have something to say about that?) That’s potentially a great character journey. I’m not saying make it the Scotty movie, but he is going to be more prominent in this movie compared to his 15 mins in the first. How does he become 3rd in command?

354. Iva - February 27, 2011

339. Andrews – February 27, 2011 “She being on Spock’s side and Bones being on Kirk’s side while two of them become friends”

By pushing Uhura to the front page, you don’t get 4 main characters.

What you get is 2 main characters and 2 side characters who do not even come close to the relationship that triad had,
out of which Bones is being pushed out because with him you can’t play sex card. Just like in the first movie.

And the friendship that is supposed to “define both” Kirk and Spock as said by Spock P. can not happen. They can be buddies max.
With a controlling cling-on girlfriend he can’t have any other people in his life, let alone a thyla, or a life in general.

Before you put so much emphasis on American ground and dumbing it down for your average movie-goers, it would be nice to remember that America is not the only country on the earth.

“”"”"”"<> “”"”"”"”"”"”"”"

[sarcasm]That triad doesn’t matter, does it? [/sarcasm]

355. Iva - February 27, 2011

“I know you’ve told us you designed that relationship as ‘Two halves which come together to make a whole’. Is that how you still see it?”

[Roddenberry]: “Oh yes. As I’ve said, I definitely designed it as a love relationship. I think that’s what we’re all about – love, the effort to reach out to each other. I think that’s a lovely thing. Also, dramatically, I designed Kirk and Spock to complete each other – and in fact, the Kirk, Spock McCoy triad to be the dramatic embodiment of the parts of one person: logic, emotion, and the balance between them. You cannot have an internal monologue on the screen, so that is a way of personifying it, getting it out where it can be seen – that internal debate which we all have within. AND I designed Kirk and Spock, as I told you, as dream images of myself, the two halves. But in terms of the characters, yes. That closeness… absolutely.”

…..

[sarcasm]That triad doesn’t matter, does it? [/sarcasm] x 2

356. gingerly - February 27, 2011

@314

Touche! Though, I absolutely see the positive impact artistic choices make as I’ve noted often before, even in this thread, I think overstating impact beyond what what one knows for sure, especially predicting box office numbers, to be a bit presumptuous.

I do know how storytelling goes and I know that some of your complaints about particular threads that weren’t included, were there but excised for time, flow, and expediency’s sake.

For sure, similar will happen in the sequel, as well.

I can understand that, as it is a part of the movie-making process.

…As for the pleasant send-off, still not going anywhere, but thank you. :)

@315

DarthDogg, if I see something with webbed feet, waddling around quacking, it’s a duck. :)

…But you’re new here, so you can turn that around.

Also, @350 one word: Inception. It did well without doing any of the things you mention.

@328

Scotty became chief engineer after redshirt chief engineer Olson died, who formerly held the position.

Scotty, though posted in a crappy place, still held rank and I assumed became the highest ranking engineer, once aboard the Enterprise.

@354&355

As for Iva’s continual advocacy of a Spock/Kirk romance, I am sure there will be plenty of subtext to fuel whatever fantasies she has.

The do indeed have a deep abiding love and their dynamic is a major part of why Star Trek works in the first place. It’s not quite there yet, in the AU, but the foundation has been set for that to develop.

I think seeing that come to fruition, should be a major treat for Spock/Kirk fans as that is one thing that wasn’t present in TOS.

Each has qualities the other lacks, together forming a complete archetypal male. I am certrain Orci is aware of that.

One thing you need to understand, however, is this: Uhura is not and never will be a threat to that or the Triad dynamic.

She is not a threat to the development of any of the main male characters in Trek.

You (and others’) continual insistence that that is so, only weakens your case for more subtext, which I believe will be included, regardless, as it should be.

357. 7beta - February 27, 2011

The logo is too dark and I can’t read the number.

358. pock speared - February 27, 2011

@345 boborci
you can’t fool me. i know you guys have a copy of “a hero with a thousand faces” under each pillow in that hotel room of yours.
heck, lucas probably had it tattooed on his eyelids.

just for the record, i think b’orci & kurtzmang understand it far better than lucas does; he so damn heavy handed about it. yours is the superior mythalect.

359. pock speared - February 27, 2011

i miss the ghostbusters logo.

360. da laffin tlhIngan - February 27, 2011

As long as we get real Klingons, it’ll be great :)

361. DarthDogg - February 27, 2011

Gingerly

Ill give you Inception, but one film out of so many is what you call an exception.

362. DarthDogg - February 27, 2011

Iva

When i refer to the dumbed down American massess. I am aware that thier are other countries. However, i do not live in them so all I can speak of is this one. i have no Idea if Europe or anywere else is suffering the politicaly correct BS that has made the people of this country far too sensative and weak that you have to monitor every word you say as not to offend someone. I do no one thing, the rest of the world is not as concerned with offending us as we are constantly told we must not to do to the rest of the world.

This is why Captain america can only be be named so here and why Superman now only stands for truth, justice and all that stuff.

363. trekprincess - February 27, 2011

Boborci there is so many critical long term Trek fans thank goodness I’m not one of them and didn’t see anything wrong with Star Trek 09 hope the sequel will be great:)

364. DarthDogg - February 27, 2011

Trek Princess

Ok, So you loved trek 09 and had not a single problem with it. Thats great, it really is. But. Can you say the same about all trek. Is there any Trek movie you dont think is that great? is there a series you dont care for? Lets say for instance, you do not care for Trek 5. Does that suddenly make you a Critical long term Trek Fan (what ever that is)? Or is liking Trek 09 some how required now to be a good little Trek fan, because its the new hot thing. i guess its Ok to not like any of that icky old trek, cause hey, its old and icky. Sheesh.

365. dmduncan - February 27, 2011

351: “*Crickets* are love and I bestow them freely upon you. Ciao! Have a nice life.”

Thanks for the crickets. They were delicious. And it may please you to know that, yes, my life has been nice since the LAST time you shunned me with operatic finality.

366. AJ - February 27, 2011

Darthdogg:

I’m an American who has lived (and lives) in Russia most of the past 16 years working for western companies. I speak the language fluently.

“Captain America” in both Russia and Ukraine, considering the USSR lost millions of men defending itself against Germany before actually winning WWII in Europe, is a provocative subject to say the least. Here, America’s contribution to that victory is looked at quite differently in the overall scheme. For Russia and Ukraine, the taking of Berlin by the Red Army was the end of the war.

Not only is it not ‘politically correct BS’ to alter the title, it is recognition of how a US commercial property developed essentially as a propaganda tool in the 1940s for US readers can be ‘universalized’ for international audiences in 2011. And it’s not ‘dumbing down.’ It’s sensitivity as a part of good business sense.

367. DarthDogg - February 27, 2011

AJ

So are we to remove the Nazis from all the American Films they have appeard in because of sensative WWII issues and offending Germans

I understand the marketing sense of it. What i was mainly refering too, was that PC BS has gotten so bad over here, That America cannot be celebrated even in our own country. EX: The reference to superman, fighting for truth justice and the american way. I can understand having the american way part removed for other countries, but the filmamkers were to pussy to heve it here as well. Sad and pathetic. Sorry, I stand by my original post. I am not speaking for other countries. but this one is totaly dumbing itself down. If you cant see that then perhaps youve been in Russia for too long.

368. dmduncan - February 27, 2011

I don’t think speed is necessarily a measure of how smart a movie is. You can have a fast and dumb movie or a fast and smart movie, and I’ve put a lot of words down on this site about how Star Trek was the latter not the former. A fast moving movie that contains a lot of information also requires you to process that information more rapidly to understand what’s going on, and Star Trek moved too fast for me to do that on first viewing. Now, I SAW the entire movie on the first viewing. My eyes were open throughout, so obviously merely SEEING what was on the screen is not what I mean. But understanding everything I saw (and heard) proved too elusive to capture in one viewing, and that is not usually what one comes away from a dumbed down stupidified movie having difficulty with.

So there’s absolutely no way I can agree that it was dumbed down. However, I think it’s certainly possible for the viewer to be dumbed down and to take away a certain action oriented entertainment from the movie without wanting anything more from it, but the question remains: Is that ALL the movie is? Or does it ALSO contain things that enable YOU to view it more actively and to get more out of it when you do, and which things are the signature of the intelligence that went in to making it?

Yes, Star Trek is primarily an action movie, just the way Raiders of the Lost Ark is. And I like the comparison with Raiders because it fits. They are both SMART action movies. They are in a class far ABOVE action movies that are also stupid movies, which is what Roland Emmerich and Uwe Boll make.

So for me the answer is yes. Star Trek DOES support a more active participation by giving you things to think about and figure out on your own; although it was primarily an action oriented origins tale and first chapter in a new universe of possible tales, it was also very smartly done.

369. dmduncan - February 27, 2011

And why should reboots always mimic the pace of the thing they are rebooting?

Look at both versions of The Thing. I love them both. The remake was much more of a monster movie with a heavy reliance on special effects. The first movie relied on a lot of rapid fire, overlapping dialogue to understand what was going on.

BOTH of them were great — and very interesting in the ways that they differed. The remake wasn’t dumbed down because it used more action than dialogue. How can anyone say that dialogue = intelligence and then point at 2001: A Space Odyssey as a smart film when it had very little?

Content can be expressed visually or verbally and in either case, smartly.

370. dmduncan - February 27, 2011

[Roddenberry]: “Oh yes. As I’ve said, I definitely designed it as a love relationship. I think that’s what we’re all about – love, the effort to reach out to each other. I think that’s a lovely thing. Also, dramatically, I designed Kirk and Spock to complete each other – and in fact, the Kirk, Spock McCoy triad to be the dramatic embodiment of the parts of one person: logic, emotion, and the balance between them. You cannot have an internal monologue on the screen, so that is a way of personifying it, getting it out where it can be seen – that internal debate which we all have within. AND I designed Kirk and Spock, as I told you, as dream images of myself, the two halves. But in terms of the characters, yes. That closeness… absolutely.”

***

Unfortunately, some people don’t understand what Roddenberry means here, probably because the concept of “love” has been dumbed down in our society until it almost exclusively means sexual desire, and that is a symptom of a decaying intelligence not only unable to make distinctions, but having lost the language that partly enables them to do so. Operating under this Orwellian “newspeak” definition of “love,” it seems few are able to think about love but that sexual desire must be what it means.

Why is that bad? Because it’s a lie, of course, told with the aim of confusing your ability to think coherently and to make informed decisions about the single most important connection we have to each and and the world — LOVE. And it is NOT unintentional. I assure you, your stupidity is VERY much intended and desired.

I also remember reading Star Trek Lives where Roddenberry talks about fan stories fantasizing about Kirk Spock relationships and such how Roddenberry states that’s not who those characters are. Unfortunately I don’t have that book anymore; I read it when I was a kid. But I will find a copy, find that quote, and post it.

371. Harry Ballz - February 27, 2011

370. dmduncan “I will find a copy, find that quote, and post it”

Go, dmduncan! Use the force, or the internet or whatever else is needed in your quest!

BOOK AND YE SHALL FIND!

372. VZX - February 27, 2011

345. boborci – February 27, 2011

Yeah, I know of the Spock Prime’s compliment, it was just never really explained why Scotty had to beam to the Enterprise and how or when he became Cheif Engineer. I guess we assume it happened off-camera. But then it was explained how Sulu, Uhuru, McCoy, and (of course) Kirk got to their positions, but not Scotty.

It’s really no big deal, its just one of those WTF moments we see all the time in movies. I still love this movie.

373. tosfan2 - February 27, 2011

The conversation regarding Uhura is this thread is really disappointing.

@ 272. boborci

HOW FAR HAVE KIRK AND UHURA GONE?

A. Swing and a Miss
B. First Base
C. Second Base
D. Third Base
E. Grand Slam

I really hope this was a slip, and you meant to put “SPOCK” in relation to Uhura. I would rather not see Uhura being passed around. Bad idea for a Black female character that has been ignored and poorly written all of these years. Some of us don’t like the S/U connection–but it exist now. At least keep her and Spock’s character respectable, and continue with the relationship in an adult manner.

@ 261. Harry Ballz

Bob, if you think we’re going to buy that all they’ve done up to this point is KISS, you can KISS that notion goodbye!

I, myself, believe they’ve pon farrther than THAT! :>)

LOL! I can’t believe Bob even typed that. Spock & Uhura seems really attached to one another, and that’s certainly for a reason.

@ 370. dmduncan

Right on! Don’t understand why some people can’t get that.

374. DarthDogg - February 27, 2011

I would like to take a moment to point at that just because one finds flaws in a movie, which i have with Trek 09 and I stand by them, does not mean that one does not still like said movie. or that one is a troll, Cuckoo or a non fan. Let me give an example.

Lets forget Trek 09 for a minute. Lets discuss Trek III the search for Spock. I love this movie. I love that Kirk suffers two great losses and think Shatners scenes in respons to these losses are some of his best work. I love the destruction of the Enterprise and love how it was done in such a magestic way. I love the klingons and the introduction of the space dock, the Excelsior and the bird of prey. Thats a lot of love. But get ready. I am now going to bash the hell out of it for Its one huge major flaw.

Why does Kirk and company steal the Enterprise and go to genesis? To retrieve spocks body you say! Wrong. lets think about that
1.) when the Grissom discovers Spock, they do not get to communicate it to Starfleet because the Klingons jam the transmission. The Grissom is then destroyed.
2.) The only people who thus know that Spock is alive and well are David and Savik. NO ONE ELSE!
3.) Kirk could not have anticipated even his body being there, remember, It was a suprise to Davis that the photon tube even survived re entery into the planets atmospher. Every one asumed it had just burned up.

So Why do they go. Cause Serik asked to bring Spocks Kautra ( I have no idea if thats spelled right) To vulcan! OK, so grab Mccoy and charter a flight to vulcan, surly they had that ability. The Kautra ritual does not require the body of the deseased. They did not know that spocks body was intact much less alive and well, SO WHY DID THEY GO TO GENISIS.

It makes no sense and is a major hole in what is essentialy that movies antire plot

But you know what. I still love it :) I hope it wasnt to trollish of me to point that out.

375. keachick - February 27, 2011

Darthdogg – “it seems so obvious to us that even a monkey could get that her using there relationship to her advantage was the whole point of the scene, that it boggles are mind that others cant see it.”

Boborci – “So, when I say the intention was the opposite, it means what others have said, that she was being punished. As a result of Spock’s fondness for her, he was overlooking the person he would’ve otherwise considered to be the most qualified to be on the new flagship. She was correcting a wrong, not taking advantage and being wrong.”

Thank you. Thank you. So my original interpretation of the scene was correct, Bob Orci? I have been saying this for the last 18 months almost and have been called stupid, troll, naive…

The fact is that Spock did pretty much admit to Uhura that he was treating her differently, for appearances sake, in assigning her to the Farragut instead of the Enterprise. It is all there on the (Blu-ray) DVD. It was only with Spock’s admission did I suspect that there may have been more going on between Spock and Uhura than a purely professional relationship. From the getgo I heard the word “aural” and knew what that word meant, not “oral”.

The only scene in this movie that had anyone stripped down to their underwear and anywhere near a bed were Jim Kirk and Gaila in Gaila’s room. Kirk had nothing to do with having Uhura assigned to anywhere. It wasn’t his call. He couldn’t do anything anyway, once he had been put on academic suspension.

The scene which clearly contained the double entendre was the one in the bar between Kirk and Uhura and that is only because of the context in which the statement, “It means you have a talented tongue”, was made.

I am tired of reading this Uhura/Zoe Saldana hatred. It is not nice at all.

376. DarthDogg - February 27, 2011

KeaChick

Ha, LOL, You had no idea what you were getting into when you took that job did you. I feal for you man. Trek fandome is full of overly criticle guys like me. Please dont take it the wrong way, we can be like overly protective parents at times. As for Spock/Uhura, If you are telling me that that was there first kiss then that was there first kiss. i just dont know a single person that didnt see it the way I did (you know, as so much more with Uhura manipulating him with it. But you wrote so ill concead here. And believe it or not, as ive already said before, despite my nitpicking, i do like the movie, I can nitpick the Wrath of khan to death too so take that for what ever its worth.

———-

I’m not telling you it’s their first kiss. Not how canon works — Canon is bigger than both of us If it’s not in the record, it ain’t canon.

I did have some idea of what I was getting into, but not really. I’ll take nitpicks anytime. Fun stuff.

That was my respons to Bob and his respons to me. in it you might note that i conceaded the point having heard it straight from bob. that means I agreed that my original interpretation may have been mistaken. So I was Wronge. Im big enough to have admitted it, sorry that wasnt spelled out enough for you.

after this, i made no more references to Spock/Uhura and moved on to other topics. So what is your point with bringing it back up again?

377. keachick - February 27, 2011

Darthdogg – sorry if you thought I was referring just to you. I quoted your post, followed by Bob’s post, as a reference point for readers when they came to read my post.

I have only just come on the internet again, and to this site. I was catching up. Sorry if I offended you.

It is nice to have my interpretation of certain scenes vindicated by the actual writers. I have also been called stupid, ignorant, douchey, naive… when, 18 months ago almost, I said that the bar scene fight was brutal and mean, nothing but bullying on the part of the male cadets wearing red shirts.

I applaud JJ Abrams’ handling of the bar scene. If I am not wrong, it is shockingly realistic. As I said before, the bigger shock though is how many people responded to that scene, in many posts on the IMDb board mainly. Many thought that Kirk deserved to be beaten up the way he was. Nobody deserves that, especially Kirk, since he was actually minding his own business…

I have *learnt* a lot since coming onto the internet and to the various sites.

378. PTFPETE/USPS - February 27, 2011

Star Trek 2012 will be what it will be. The fact simply remains that it will be Star Trek. This constant “bash-gestions” is taking away from a 44 year old phenomenon that has continued and survived in various incarnations. I am a 50 year old devotee that will accept Star Trek 2012 in whatever shape of form it comes in. Best wishes to the writing team…the least we could do is support them in their efforts instead of this never ending want list of wishes.

379. captain_neill - February 27, 2011

Trek princess

Star Trek XI is not the end all and be all of Star Trek. Just remember there is more to Trek than this one movie.

380. DarthDogg - February 27, 2011

Thank You Captain Neill

It has been feeling like trek 09 is all that matters anymore and I think that sucks. (hence my post on star trek III at 374) In that regard, it does almost feal like the prime univers has been wiped out and that makes me sad.

Keachick. NP. I agree with u on the bar fight 100%. Kirk was just minding his own buisness and as a guy, it is very uncool to interfear with another guy when he is putting the moves on a beautyfull lady, weather successfuly or not.

381. Jeyl - February 27, 2011

@345: “After all, it was Scotty’s own equation that let them get back on the Enterprise and save the world as we know it..”

First, that equation was a bona fide example of bad technobabble. Rather than have our characters who are trapped in a tight situation use their smarts or come up with clever ways to get out of it, they resort to magical science that fixes everything. This particular one also gets bonus points for being so flat out inconsistent with Star Trek’s use of Transporters that you can turn anything into any type of magical device. SFdebris motto is that we don’t mind this scientific bullsh$% just as long as your consistent with it. Like not beaming through the shields or restricting the transporter’s range. And no, having Scotty be beamed into a tube of water doesn’t tip the bullsh^# consistency scale in the slightest.

Second, we’ve saved Earth and only Earth over a dozen times in Star Trek already. It’s not an impressive feat anymore.

“Ah, save the whales, but not the universe? /rolleyes”

I can understand why Earth would be important to the human characters, but in the scope of this franchise, it’s pretty disappointing that it’s been given the status as the “end all, be all” planet of the Star Trek universe. Out of the last four Star Trek films, three of them had Earth being the planet that needed to be saved. I’m not going to give you guys pats on the back for reassuring future writers that they can always go back and write another “EARTH IS IN DANGER!” storyline with it’s cliché and predictable outcome.

382. Basement Blogger - February 27, 2011

@ 377 Keachick

I hope everything is okay with you in New Zealand. I just saw another story about the earthquake and the search for survivors. Thoughts and prayers for the people of New Zealand.

383. keachick - February 27, 2011

I think at the moment the focus is on the latest Star Trek feature and on the upcoming sequel. That is only natural really.

I find it interesting that some people who have been longtime trekkies have trouble with how the Spock character is portrayed in Star Trek 09. One TOS episode, in particular, reminds me of how Spock could behave on occasion and that is “The Enterprise Incident”. Spock deliberately set out to woo the female Romulan commander in order to distract her, while Kirk stole the cloaking device. Spock even surprised himself by the genuine positive feelings he was developing towards the Romulan commander. The other thing we learnt about Spock here was that he was capable of lying and that was not to do with any of his feelings towards the commander.

Another small scene that comes to mind is one from the TOS episode “Shore Leave”. Near the end of the episode, Spock finds himself surrounded by attractive females (I’m not sure if they were the product of his or McCoy’s imagination?) and clearly he was not immune to their attractiveness etc. However, duty prevailed and since his captain was more in need of R & R than he was, he went back to the Enterprise to assume temporary command.

The Spock/Uhura relationship is not so “out there”. It is more a case of surprising. Most people thought that it would be Kirk, not Spock.

And that’s because Kirk has not discovered her planet yet, as beautiful as she is…(I hope Bob Orci does not consider this a “bash-gestion”). Anyway, he has only to ask.

384. Christopher_Roberts - February 27, 2011

I think TOS purists like to think that Mr. Spock was saving himself for Christine Chapel. Apart from that two teasing, unromantic moments in The Man Trap (“Vulcan has no moon”) and Charlie X (a serenade), Uhura was a romance that came completely out of left-field.

385. dmduncan - February 27, 2011

371. Harry Ballz – February 27, 2011

Well not TONIGHT of course, Harry! Just saw Tangled, and will watch Oscars. But next time I am on an ancient book safari in the local shops, I will surely look for it.

386. Jeyl - February 27, 2011

@383: “The Spock/Uhura relationship is not so “out there”. It is more a case of surprising.”

Unfortunately that’s about all it was, and even using the term “relationship” is being generous at best. If this relationship between Spock and Uhura was a genuine one, the last thing I’d expect to see is a Uhura being all happy and dandy on the bridge of the Enterprise knowing that Spock is about to embark on a life long quest to help the surviving Vulcans get by somewhere out in the galaxy. Yeah, I really felt the love right there.

387. dmduncan - February 27, 2011

I LOVE TSFS. Yeah it has flaws. It had, at times, what looked like the budget of TOS. It had hot red lipstick on an ancient Vulcan high priestess. Ack!

But apart from ST.09 and TWOK, it had several of the best moments Star Trek has ever produced. They were SO awesome to me that they saved the entire movie.

374: “The Kautra ritual does not require the body of the deseased. They did not know that spocks body was intact much less alive and well, SO WHY DID THEY GO TO GENISIS.”

“It makes no sense and is a major hole in what is essentialy that movies antire plot”

Actually I think you are mistaken here. I think they DID need Spock’s body and that’s why they went to Genesis.

388. keachick - February 27, 2011

When was Uhura “all happy and dandy”? I have watched the movie several times and I did not see her “all happy and dandy” on the Enterprise bridge, except in the last scene of the movie and everybody else was “all happy and dandy” there as well.

389. DarthDogg - February 27, 2011

dmduncan

Read again my friend, or watch the movie, which ever you prefer. They did not know spocks body even existed, dead or alive. And no, they do not need the deceased body for the Kautra ritual, which involves taking the kautra out of the person to which it was given, and placing it in a (as wierd as this sounds) container of sorts in a sort of Kautra library for vulcan priests and what not to telepathicaly comunicate with (think Avatar here). This was even demonstrated on Enterprise when Archer carried the kautra of a long dead vulcan (thier equivalent of jesus) and the ritual was performed without the dead body which was long turned to dust.

And of course, again, Kirk did not know spock was on genisis (Remember, he was surprised as hell to find this out when he got there) thus if he did not know, he had no need to go.

I am not wrong here. This has been a long talked about trek flaw for decades by even those involved with it. Im surprised you didnt already know.

But worry not, as a said, it no way takes away from the greatness of the film.

390. Jeyl - February 27, 2011

@388: “When was Uhura “all happy and dandy”? I have watched the movie several times and I did not see her “all happy and dandy” on the Enterprise bridge, except in the last scene of the movie.”

Yes. The last scene in the movie. The very same scene that I was talking about in my comment. Do I need to explain it in a different way for you? Fine.

Through the course of the film, Spock:
• Witnesses his mother murdered.
• Sees his home world destroyed along with six billion of it’s inhabitants.
• is racially insulted by Kirk (who Kirk never tells anyone it was an act).
• Leaves Starfleet to assist the remaining Vulcans.

And what does Uhura do after her boyfriend endured all this? Stays on the Enterprise with a bright cheery smile on her face as she happily calls Kirk Captain. And let me emphasize this again. This is before Spock makes his surprise appearance at the end.

391. DarthDogg - February 27, 2011

Jeyl

well, Uhura didnt seem to bat an eye that her roommate was killed with the fleet, nor did any of them seem to bat an eye in the slightest that there entire graduating class was wiped out. Man, thems some cold people.

392. Jeyl - February 27, 2011

@389 DarthDogg: “And of course, again, Kirk did not know spock was on genisis (Remember, he was surprised as hell to find this out when he got there) thus if he did not know, he had no need to go. I am not wrong here.”

That…is amazing. You contradicted yourself in one sentence. Just read what you typed there for one second. You say “If he did not know, he had no need to go” yet you start with “Kirk did not know Spock was on genesis”. So, why would Kirk need to go to Genesis if he didn’t know Spock was there? Kirk did know Spock was there. Remember the discussion Kirk had with Sarek?

Sarek: “Why did you LEAVE HIM ON GENESIS?”

What surprised Kirk wasn’t the fact the Spock was on Genesis, but that Spock was somehow alive.

Kirk: “This…Vulcan. Is he alive?”

393. keachick - February 27, 2011

Karl, Chris, Tom… Of course, you know what these awesome dudes have in common? STAR TREK. Now if we could get all three onto the Star Trek sequel?! There are some females concerned about “exploding ovaries” etc at the thought of Chris Pine and Tom Hardy being in the same movie.

Of course, the Star Trek sequel will have Karl Urban (he had better be in it – I shall have strong words with my compatriot otherwise…:), so all we need is Tom Hardy for a scorchingly hot movie with the best male “eye candy” around. Tom is not Shinzon here. No bald “eye candy” dudes on my watch…:)

To the Trek writers/producers: MAKE IT SO!

394. DarthDogg - February 27, 2011

Jeyl. Trust me. HE DID NOT KNOW Spock was there in any form what so ever. i am not making this up. As i said, this is a common and long known flaw that is acknowledged even by those involved with Star trek.

Sarek wanted spocks body for barial purposes. Every one assumed, that the torpedo he had burnt up in re entry. Even David was shocked that it did not ” It must have soft landed” he said. Sarek wanted kirk to take spocks Kautra to vulcan. to do so, they only needed McCoy who carried it and they only needed to go to vulcan, which is exactly what mccoy was trying to do. The grissom was destroyed before any news of Spocks body being there could be given. Kirk did not know.

Do yourself a favor, and Google “Why did kirk go to Genesis” and you will see many, many forums and sites on the subject, with no answer given other than it is a genuine mistake that needs to be ignored to enjoy the film.

Look it up, I did not contradict myself in any way. This is Common Trek fan knowledge.

395. Jeyl - February 27, 2011

@391 DarthDogg: “well, Uhura didnt seem to bat an eye that her roommate was killed with the fleet, nor did any of them seem to bat an eye in the slightest that there entire graduating class was wiped out. Man, thems some cold people.”

Uhura and crew didn’t bat an eye to all those that died. The film makers and writers did.

396. DarthDogg - February 27, 2011

Jeyl

Yep. Still, I think it would have been nice if there was a line given or a scene, maybe when kirk was recieving his medal at the end, that acknowledged all thier class mates that died. After all, they all knew joining Starfleet had its dangers, but for your whole graduating class to get wiped out before you even graduate. Man, thats a whole other level, LOL.

397. dmduncan - February 27, 2011

389: “Read again my friend, or watch the movie, which ever you prefer.”

I watched it. You are mistaken, as I thought.

“They did not know spocks body even existed, dead or alive. And no, they do not need the deceased body for the Kautra ritual…”

“This was even demonstrated on Enterprise when Archer carried the kautra of a long dead vulcan…”

First of all, what happened in Enterprise STAYS in Enterprise. TSFS came way first, so if anything, Enterprise should follow TSFS, not the other way around.

Second, they didn’t need to know Spock was alive.

When Sarek visits Kirk in TSFS he is upset with Kirk. These are SELECT quotes from the scenes I just watched involving Kirk and Sarek.

SAREK: “Why did you leave him on Genesis?”

SAREK: “Only his body was in death, Kirk.”

KIRK: “What must I do?”

SAREK: “You must bring them to Mt. Salaya on Vulcan.”

THEM. Plural. And then we get the scene where Kirk tries to get the Enterprise by the book, and the admiral tells him:

“No one but the science team goes to Genesis.’

So Kirk was going to Genesis at Sarek’s behest to retrieve Spock’s DEAD body. That they found him alive and maturing was an unexpected bonus. The idea was to put Spock to rest and save McCoy, not to reinstall Spock’s Katra in a living Spock.

398. Jeyl - February 27, 2011

“The grissom was destroyed before any news of Spocks body being there could be given.”

Oh, really?

Captain Esteban: Encode to Starfleet. Captain Spock’s tube located on Genesis’ surface.
Communications Officer: Yes, sir. Coding your message.

There’s your news.

399. dmduncan - February 27, 2011

As far as the photon torpedo being intact. We saw it intact at the end of TWOK. If there’s any plot hole it’s what you say David said which, at this point, I’m not even sure you are quoting correctly. But I can check that too if you like?

Remains of the astronauts from the Columbia disaster were found. So it’s reasonable to presume that Spock’s remains could be found also, for returning to Vulcan.

400. dmduncan - February 27, 2011

Kirk didn’t know Spock was on Genesis? Well…he didn’t know a LIVING Spock was on Genesis, but since he was the one who buried Spock there, he certainly did know where the body was that he needed to recover to take back to Mt. Salaya to save McCoy.

401. DarthDogg - February 27, 2011

399
As far as the photon torpedo being intact. We saw it intact at the end of TWOK.

the audience saw it intact at the end of TWOK, not the crew. WOW!

Captain Esteban: Encode to Starfleet. Captain Spock’s tube located on Genesis’ surface.
Communications Officer: Yes, sir. Coding your message.

There’s your news.

And with genesis being a forbiden subject to all but the science team, Kirk and Serek recieved this news how. and again, this made serek say, drag his rotting corps out for a kautra ritual we dont need it for. even if it ends you career. yea, right. Sorry, dont add up.

402. DarthDogg - February 27, 2011

Kirk didn’t know Spock was on Genesis? Well…he didn’t know a LIVING Spock was on Genesis, but since he was the one who buried Spock there, he certainly did know where the body was that he needed to recover to take back to Mt. Salaya to save McCoy.

He didnt bury him there. He blasted his Ass there in a torpedo that every one assumed totaly vaperized. Not the same thing.

403. dmduncan - February 27, 2011

394: “Jeyl. Trust me. HE DID NOT KNOW Spock was there in any form what so ever. i am not making this up.

Yes you aaare. ;-)

“As i said, this is a common and long known flaw that is acknowledged even by those involved with Star trek.”

Who? What book(s)? I probably have it/them on my shelf.

404. keachick - February 27, 2011

#390 Jeyl – “And what does Uhura do after her boyfriend endured all this? Stays on the Enterprise with a bright cheery smile on her face as she happily calls Kirk Captain. And let me emphasize this again. This is before Spock makes his surprise appearance at the end.”

First of all, if we are to believe that Uhura and Spock are still an item, then it is more than likely that she will already know of his intentions, ie to become the Enterprise’s first officer, hence the smiling.

Another factor is that we do not know how much time has passed between the damaged Enterprise crawling back to earth and the obvious repairs that would have taken place. I have no doubt there would have been much grieving, among both races, humans and vulcans. However, the last scene showed what looked to be a fresh start coming out of the devastation and chaos – every reason for the bridge crew to smile.

Spock clearly does NOT leave Starfleet to help the remaining Vulcans, because as older prime Spock says, “we can be in two places at once” or words to that effect.

Kirk and Sulu also witnessed the destruction up close; almost became victims of it themselves. The human crew were definitely not immune to the emotional impact of what had happened to Vulcan, any more than Spock was.

Human beings have a capacity to put on very brave, even smiling, faces in the face of awful destruction, at times. Whenever I turn the TV on at the moment, I see this among those survivors and others, of the real life earthquake that hit “my” NZ city of Christchurch last Tuesday. Such catastrophes often bring out the very best in people – their strength, their courage, their humour, their generosity etc, as well as, unfortunately at times some of the worst traits, eg looting and the like. Fortunately, in Chch, most of what is going with people is positive. Kiwis here are going through their own mini-calamity right now. The earthquakes were unexpected. Everyone is a little edgy. Will there be another quake in Christchurch or perhaps somewhere else, like Auckland? Who knows? Not even the seismologists.

Whether the catastrophe was a natural event or brought about by some crazy, the end results tend to be the same – terrible destruction, loss of life, shocking injuries, shattered dreams… need I go on? People who do survive need to go on and it is said that laughter can sometimes be the best medicine, along with tears and rest/sleep.

How come people don’t understand these things?

405. DarthDogg - February 27, 2011

Ill also say this…Its nice to be debating somthing other then Trek 09 for a change. Thanks.

406. dmduncan - February 27, 2011

402: “He didnt bury him there. He blasted his Ass there in a torpedo that every one assumed totaly vaperized. Not the same thing.”

You are begging the question. You are assuming something unwarranted that is not in either film to make your case, i.e.,, that “every one assumed” the torpedo was vaporized when in fact we saw at the end of TWOK that the torpedo survived intact. And the script for TSFS didn’t even exist yet. Strictly speaking, TSFS built on the end of TWOK, so even if it WAS a mistake to preserve the torpedo casing, which it was not, it would have to be properly located in TWOK, not TSFS. But you are saying it’s a massive and well known plot hole of TSFS.

Research the Columbia reentry disaster and tell me what the fictional characters on Star Trek were thinking regarding what could and could not survive reentry.

Apart from that, you are totally wrong about them not needing to go back. They went back because of what Sarek told Kirk in the meeting they had which I quoted above.

So I don’t know what boards you are visiting that are getting things completely bass ackwards, but you are safe now. With us. We won’t let anybody misinform you. ;-)

407. keachick - February 27, 2011

Darthdogg – “He didnt bury him there. He blasted his Ass there in a torpedo that every one assumed totaly vaperized. Not the same thing.”

I always got the impression that Spock’s torpedo burial chamber was sent to Genesis. Kirk did bury Spock on the Genesis planet, which meant that he did know where Spock’s body was. There was little reason to think otherwise.

408. dmduncan - February 27, 2011

I mean, if David said what you said he did, then all that means is that David was surprised. How do you get from David’s surprise to inferring that everybody else just KNEW the torpedo had been vaporized, particularly when their actions in going back to Genesis suggest different beliefs?

409. dmduncan - February 27, 2011

And even had it not survived intact, they would still have to go to see if there was anything they could recover. I mean, when the Columbia came apart we didn’t just say the astronauts had been vaporized. We looked for remains. And found some.

410. keachick - February 27, 2011

Sarek did tell Kirk to go back to Genesis to get Spock’s body and take THEM (both Spock and McCoy who had Spock’s katra) back to Vulcan. BTW, the word is KATRA, not kautra.

411. dmduncan - February 27, 2011

McCoy’s life was at stake, for crying out loud. They had to TRY.

412. dmduncan - February 27, 2011

I am such a geek it’s embarrassing.

413. DarthDogg - February 27, 2011

dmduncan

Dude you dont need books, watch the film

even if they did know the tube was intact, which given the top secret nature of genesis, is suspect. other facts remain that dont make sence.

1.) even if they could find and bring the decayed and burnt up remains of spock. they are not needed for the original intent of releasing spocks kautra from mccoy

2.) thus, ruining his career and stealing the ship would have only been worthwile if they new that doing so would result in finding spock alive and well, which they definetly did not.

3.) even McCoy and Spock kautra in McCoy new this, as they only wanted to chart a flight to vulcan, not go to genesis.

So you have to admit, things dont add up here as currently presented. If you cant admit even that much, i dont know what to say.

If they did not know the tube survived (and if they did, that should have been made clear, because they went out of there way to make clear that no one discusses genesis but the science team and top brass, of wich kirk was clearly left out of the loop) then they definetly had no reason to go to Genesis. serek saying “why did you leave him on vulcan” means nothing. As i said, he wanted to barey him, id be pissed to.

Face it, the movies basic plot is flawed. Its no biggie. its hardly the only Trek to be so.

414. DarthDogg - February 27, 2011

I am such a geek it’s embarrassing.

Its OK, your among your own kind!

415. dmduncan - February 27, 2011

413. DarthDogg – February 27, 2011

“Dude you dont need books, watch the film”

Like I said, I just DID! I think you need to watch it.

“1.) even if they could find and bring the decayed and burnt up remains of spock. they are not needed for the original intent of releasing spocks kautra from mccoy”

I don’t know where you are getting that false idea or why you are persisting in posting it, but you need to watch the movie to understand that it’s wrong. They DID need Spock’s body. That’s why Sarek was upset with Kirk. For LEAVING Spock’s dead body on Genesis.

“2.) thus, ruining his career and stealing the ship would have only been worthwile if they new that doing so would result in finding spock alive and well, which they definetly did not.”

Wrong. The idea was to save McCoy who was going to die because he was carrying Spock’s katra. They didn’t go to Genesis to get a living Spock. That was a surprising bonus. Watch the movie, dude. It’s clear you haven’t done so in a while.

“3.) even McCoy and Spock kautra in McCoy new this, as they only wanted to chart a flight to vulcan, not go to genesis.”

LOL! Dude, the whole scene with Kirk and the Admiral is about Kirk not getting the Enterprise to go back to GENESIS, named specifically by the Admiral.

Where are you getting this stuff from?

416. dmduncan - February 27, 2011

Hell, even McCoy was illegally trying to chart a flight to Genesis with the blue feathery guy before being busted.

417. DarthDogg - February 27, 2011

.) even McCoy and Spock kautra in McCoy new this, as they only wanted to chart a flight to vulcan, not go to genesis.”

LOL! Dude, the whole scene with Kirk and the Admiral is about Kirk not getting the Enterprise to go back to GENESIS, named specifically by the Admiral.

Whos talking about kirk and the admiral here. man, you are squirly.Im talking about the scene with mccoy trying to charter a space flight from Big Ears. Are you sure you just watched it.

This from the official star trek web site:
Some Vulcans appear able to “cheat death” by implanting their katra, essentially their living essence or spirit, into an object or another person via a form of mind-meld just prior to death. The history and mechanics of the katra have never been discussed in great detail in canon. It was known at the time of Surak, and Surak successfully transferred his essence into a “katric ark”

Into an object, or other person. Into a katrik Ark. This is the official defantion so take it for what ever. notice there is no mention of placing the katra back into the dead person. Cause its never been done until spock

So, why would spocks remains be necissary. ask yourself. If things in the film would not have turned out as they did. with a brand spanking new, fresh spock body, why would they need his remains to place his katra in another object or person?

given that, it makes no sense to me that they would need his chard up decayed bones. getting the Katra out of McCoy and into an object would have saved McCoy. Spocks decayed bones are not needed for this!

there should have been clearer peramiters set on thier original intent in the film, without it, it is flawed and things make no sense.

418. DarthDogg - February 27, 2011

Think of it this way

What if the radiation Spock unleashed didnt just kill him, but vaperized him as well. What if he knew he would be vaporized, but being the logical guy he is, releases all that energy anyway. Would he have still given Mccoy his Katra, even though he knew ahead of time his body would be vaperized. Yes, cause its not needed. Do you think all vulcans that give up thier Katra are going to all have thier bodys intact. No. its not about that. Its about saving the essence of what you are in an object or another person (say a monk) for future consultation) So i stand buy that the dead body of spock was not needed, they didnt know his body was alive, and they had no reason to go to genesis.

i am now done with this. Disagree at will.

419. Red Dead Ryan - February 27, 2011

Captain Kirk believed Spock to be dead at the end of the film. So did McCoy and everyone else aboard the Enterprise. On the way to Starbase, Kirk is wondering why McCoy is in Spock’s quarters and behaving strangely, while everyone else seems obsessed. Once the Enterprise got back to Starbase, Sarek asked to speak to Kirk alone. Sarek asked Kirk why he left Spock on the Genesis planet. Kirk replied that he was dead. Sarek replied further only Spock’s body was dead and that his katra, or spirit, was still intact. Kirk then reviewed the computer records of Spock going into the chamber. He watches Spock knock Dr. McCoy out with the Vulcan Neck Pinch, and place his hand on McCoy’s face and forehead. He remebers McCoy’s odd behavior earlier in the film. Kirk realizes then that Sarek was correct.

Nobody knew for sure if Spock’s body was still intact until the Grissom arrived at the Genesis planet. Sarek didn’t know for certain. But he knew Spock’s katra was still intact and believed that the body could have survived. What he and everyone else didn’t know, was that Spock had totally regenerated as his younger self, minus the katra. McCoy would not have been able to survive much longer with Spock’s katra in his head. Nobody knows what would have happened had Spock’s body just burned up. The adolescent Spock was very fortuitous. It turns out the Genesis planet had somehow allowed Spock to be resurrected.

I think the real point that bothers me is this: If the Genesis planet was so strategically important security-wise to the Federation, why did Starfleet not send the Excelsior or a few other ships alongside the Grissom to guard the planet while it was being surveyed?

420. dmduncan - February 27, 2011

Darth, you are just jerking my chain now. Seriously. Put the DVD in the machine and watch it, and then come back here and repeat your words: “they only wanted to chart a flight to vulcan, not go to genesis.”

McCoy was busted for trying to charter a flight from the blue guy to go to GENESIS, not Vulcan.

Kirk was trying to get the Enterprise from Admiral Morrow to go to GENESIS first, not Vulcan.

The only crew member who went directly to Vulcan was Uhura, to make preparations for the arrival of Kirk and Co., AFTER they went to GENESIS first.

And all that other stuff is just arguing off the point. You are entitled to your own opinions, as they say, but not to your own facts. And the facts about the movie speak on DVD for themselves.

Watch the movie.

421. DarthDogg - February 27, 2011

420, yes, thank you. when Sarek asks Kirk to bring them to vulcan, he is speaking of McCoy and Spock, that is the katra of spock inside McCoy, not his decayed bones. They are not needed. They had no reason to go to Genesis.

Your right though. The grissom by itself for high security. thats wonky as well. but then again, if the Excelcior was there, we wouldnt have had that great scene were Scotty totaly Pawns it

422. DarthDogg - February 27, 2011

dmduncan

Yep, your right about the flight charter. Sorry, Ive been using this forum to Escape some tragic reality Ill need to get back to soon, so my heads not to clear. That realy changes nothing else though. they didnt need to go there as they had no idea if his body was even intact and the body was not needed or requested by Serek in the first place, (see 420′s post) so the basic plot flaws still stand. Do consider my 419 post and ask yourself about that as to wether you realy think the body is needed. thanks

That said. I do keep trying to get away even though i so dont want to. So, thanks for the distraction but i realy do need to bail and return to reality :(

423. dmduncan - February 27, 2011

“420, yes, thank you. when Sarek asks Kirk to bring them to vulcan, he is speaking of McCoy and Spock, that is the katra of spock inside McCoy, not his decayed bones. They are not needed. They had no reason to go to Genesis.”

Thank you nothing. You are wrong. When was the last time you watched the movie?

They had every reason to go to Genesis because of what Sarek told them. Spock’s body, McCoy AND Spock’s katra. All THREE, not just TWO. That’s precisely why Sarek was upset with Kirk for leaving Spock’s DEAD body behind:

SAREK: “Why did you leave him on Genesis?”

SAREK: “Only his body was in death, Kirk.”

Sarek wasn’t upset because he thought Kirk left Spock’s LIVING body on Genesis but because he left Spock’s dead body there, which they needed to BOTH put Spock at rest AND to save McCoy. Get it? Both, not one or the other. BOTH.

424. Red Dead Ryan - February 27, 2011

421

Sarek told Kirk “You must go back to Genesis!”

Kirk replies that he was relieved of command of the Enterprise.

Sarek says: “You will find a way.”

Sarek knew that Spock wasn’t dead, spiritually at least.

425. keachick - February 27, 2011

“Sarek did tell Kirk to go back to Genesis to get Spock’s body and take THEM (both Spock and McCoy who had Spock’s katra) back to Vulcan. BTW, the word is KATRA, not kautra.”

I just said all that, as above. That was the whole point of the movie – Kirk risking everything to retrieve Spock’s dead body in order to give him a proper Vulcan burial and to save McCoy, who was host to Spock’s katra. Only that when Kirk and co. got to Genesis, they found that Spock’s body lived…

426. dmduncan - February 27, 2011

422: “That realy changes nothing else though. they didnt need to go there as they had no idea if his body was even intact and the body was not needed or requested by Serek”

First, sorry about whatever trouble you are having.

Even if they had no idea, they had to TRY because it was necessary to save McCoy and put Spock at rest. Believing and hoping were necessary just to see what they would find. It was worth the risk to them. Sarek was upset because Spock’s deceased body was left behind, and right from the get go after that conversation Kirk was planning on going back to get it to fix the situation (Spock’s body is lost) that Sarek was upset about.

Not having Spock’s body is precisely one half of the problem Sarek was upset about, which Kirk went to Genesis to fix. The other half of the problem was the location of Spock’s Katra.

The idea was that they were going to perform a ceremony on Vulcan using Spock’s body and McCoy, to release McCoy and save Spock’s katra, but once they found Spock alive they performed a totally different ceremony to rejoin Spock’s memory to his body.

Now, you can look at all this stuff that developed much later in Enterprise or whatever and say they didn’t need Spock’s body, but TSFS came FIRST. It sets the precedent. So you can’t say the earlier film is somehow wrong because it didn’t follow the idea of somebody else who came later in another incarnation of Star Trek and portrayed it differently.

That’s not a fault of TSFS.

Fact is we don’t know WHY they needed Spock’s deceased body to perform whatever ritual they were going to do, but we don’t need to know the why to know that according to Sarek they just DID.

But if I were going to extrapolate Vulcan mysticism from earthling mysticism I could probably create some interesting scenarios about why they needed it.

But I don’t need to. That’s how Sarek put it, and he knows Vulcan culture a lot better than I. ;-)

427. DarthDogg - February 27, 2011

dmduncan
First, sorry about whatever trouble you are having.

Thanks.

Fact is we don’t know WHY they needed Spock’s deceased body to perform whatever ritual they were going to do, but we don’t need to know the why to know that according to Sarek they just DID.

This is the main problem. with Kirks career at stake, with his son killed, the Enetrprise lost and so much sacrafised. I think we did need to know. Cause I cant imagine what they would have done with burnt up bones if thats what they had found. Or, if there was no body to find at all.

Imagine the scene in your head. McCoy lying at that table, with the vulcan High Priestes’s hand on his head, and her other hand on a dried up burnt corps, LOL. Ya see what im sayin.

Ok, everything else you said was well stated and I think we can officialy leave it at that. Thanks again and I hope you had some laughs, maybe ill see ya around Laters. Back to life! for real this time.

428. dmduncan - February 27, 2011

427: “This is the main problem. with Kirks career at stake, with his son killed, the Enetrprise lost and so much sacrafised. I think we did need to know. Cause I cant imagine what they would have done with burnt up bones if thats what they had found. Or, if there was no body to find at all.”

Well, the alternative is to do nothing and just let McCoy die without trying. Does that sound like the crew of the USS Enterprise we know and love? Kirk is a hero. Of COURSE he’d risk whatever was left of his career to save McCoy and put Spock at rest. In a heartbeat he would, and did.

Any man or woman who has shown themselves willing to risk their lives cannot risk more by risking only their careers. And that’s what these characters have always done.

429. Rusty0918 - February 27, 2011

To be fair, there were some women in trousers in Star Trek ’09 and WITH visible rank. Don’t believe me, watch closer.

430. captain_neill - February 28, 2011

The Search For Spock is about the characters, it shows how much Kirk is willing to sacrifice to save Spock, he risks his career for his friend, but ended up costing him his ship and his son’s life.

To me they knew Spock was on Genesis and that’s why they went to Genesis, they did not expect to fight the Klingons and Starfleet tried to contact Grissom to warn them about the rogue Enterprise.

I am not sure what the problem with this is, they go to Genesis to get Spock and then take him to Vulcan.

I still find it stronger and more plausible than some of the plot points in Star Trek XI.

431. Harry Ballz - February 28, 2011

429. “there were some women in trousers in Star Trek ’09 and WITH visible rank”

Is that like visible pantyline?

432. boborci - February 28, 2011

If Spock had simply had a will and had his affairs in order, Trek 3 would not have happened. in fact, if hed simply left a post it note asking to be buried on his home planet, the whole thing coulda been avoided. but he prbably figured no fool would leave his body behind.

433. gingerly - February 28, 2011

@384

I think TOS purists like to think that Mr. Spock was saving himself for Christine Chapel. Apart from that two teasing, unromantic moments in The Man Trap (”Vulcan has no moon”) and Charlie X (a serenade), Uhura was a romance that came completely out of left-field.

What makes a TOS purist?

Wouldn’t they be the people most likely to remember the most
about TOS, including Spock’s recitation of Byron to Uhura in “Is There No Truth in Beauty?”, the excised flirtation scene from “Elaan of Troyuis”, and the fact that Spock was initially suggested for the infamous “interracial” kiss, among other things?

I dislike the implication that people who like Spock/Uhura obviously aren’t TOS purists.

You would think that being a TOS fan means that you must only have a selective memory.

…But I saw many different relationships supported in TOS, from Chapel/Spock and Kirk/Spock to Spock/Uhura.

It was the swinging 60′s! Sexual subtext was everywhere.

434. dmduncan - February 28, 2011

Well I think McCoy was supposed to remember, but it didn’t seem to work out exactly the way Spock planned. It was one of those pesky coincidences that worked out for the better, because if he had been buried that way instead of on Genesis, we wouldn’t have got Spock back, and then ST.09 would’ve been an entirely different movie.

As far as the torpedo tube being intact, we get only one line about that, from David while still on the Grissom, when he hypothesizes that the gravitational fields were in flux and that the tube must have soft landed. It seems Kirk was just operating on hope, and following the direction Spock’s katra and Sarek’s words were leading. Maybe Spock’s katra knew the body was still alive.

435. keachick - February 28, 2011

#432 Yes. That is the one aspect that I have wondered about. How come Kirk did not know more about Vulcan culture and ideology? He appeared hopelessly ignorant at times.

Within the human world, most people/cultures, if not all, usually want the remains of their dead brought back home to be properly buried, if that is at all possible. In Spock’s case, that was possible, but then we would not have had the Search for Spock or Spock prime now. Oh, the trade-offs…

Then, of course, we have the situation where Lt Uhura knew nothing about the Klingon language and Dr McCoy nothing about Klingon physiology, even though both had contact with Klingons over a long period of time and should have gleened some relevant information about the Klingons (Star Trek:VI).

I hope that you, Bob and co., don’t make the same sort of gaffs. If you make sure you don’t do this silly stuff, then you’ll be free to make totally originals gaffs of your very own…:)

It’s all cool!

436. gingerly - February 28, 2011

Spock is a member of a long-lived race, in a high-risk job. Logic does indicate that he would be more likely to have prepared for the event or his death.

That is a plothole in Trek 3, but the relationships between the crew. The “Do you even need to ask?” attitude the entire OG bridge crew had when asked to risk everything to recover Spock’s body.

…That to me was one of the coolest things about that movie.

That and Kirk’s sacrificing two big loves in his life (Enterprise and his son) for the other one.

I like to see decisions have real weighty consequences in film, especially those heavy emotional ones.

437. Harry Ballz - February 28, 2011

432.

Hey, Bob, let’s not bring LOGIC into this!

438. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - February 28, 2011

Hey Bob. Would you say you are at the Half way point in the script or most of the way or near ending. Would just like to know.

439. keachick - February 28, 2011

“That and Kirk’s sacrificing two big loves in his life (Enterprise and his son) for the other one.”

Kirk did not sacrifice his son. David was there as part of the Grissom survey team and Kirk knew that. What they did not figure on was a Klingon ship turning up wanting the “Genesis torpedo”, as Kruge called it. Saavik and David were down on the planet when the Klingons destroyed the Grissom. Then the Enterprise turns up and Kirk is calling to the Grissom. Either Saavik’s or David’s communicator is on, which alerts everyone on the planet, including the Klingons who are already down on the planet when the Enterprise arrives, to the fact that Kirk and the Enterprise are there.

At a certain point Kruge orders his men on the planet to kill one of the hostages (Saavik, David and a young Spock) – any one of them, he doesn’t care which one. David believes that the Klingon is about to kill Saavik and so initiates a struggle. He is killed by the Klingon. Then Saavik tells Kirk that “David is dead”.

I’m not sure why Kirk just didn’t beam the non-Klingon landing party up to the Enterprise…Perhaps, Harry Ballz is right, too much logical thinking here?

Later Kirk does sacrifice the Enterprise, and asks of McCoy “What have I done”, to which McCoy replies, “You do what you always do. You give life a fighting chance” or words to that effect.

440. dmduncan - February 28, 2011

If he was rusty in TWOK, he was back sharp as a razor in TSFS. Kirk pulled out all the stops to save Spock and McCoy. That is what Kirk does. He takes chances not knowing if there will be an opening to shoot through, but he’s ready and quick as a blade in the air if one appears. And there is where I really see the similarity between Pine Kirk and Shatner Kirk — as Kirk is in TSFS, that’s how Pine Kirk is in ST.09.

441. Red Dead Ryan - February 28, 2011

I just recieved the “Star Trek III: The Search For Spock” expanded soundtrack. It’s great. Especially the main theme and the second track, “Klingons”. It also includes some funky music, “That Old Black Magic/Tangerine/I Remember You” and the theme by Group 87.

I wish James Horner had done the music for “The Voyage Home”. It would have made more sense to keep the theme from TWOK and TSFS.
Leonard Rosenman was no good. The TVH score was cheesy.

442. gingerly - February 28, 2011

@439

Semantics.

Of course, he did choose not purposely sacrifice his son. It was one of the losses that was ultimately had to be suffered, symbolically.

His son actually chose to sacrifice himself for the other members of the party.

443. gingerly - February 28, 2011

‘I accidentally a verb’ and switched some, as I often do: :)

It should read: “Of course, he did not choose to purposely sacrifice…”

blah…

444. Charla - February 28, 2011

# 253

[See 245. For all we know, all they’ve done is have coffee as tutored her and no one else — all age of innocence crap kinda stuff.

As far is canon is concerned, you are free to look at their kiss on the turbo lift as their first! In every sense, we tried to thread the needle of canon and none canon as carefully as we could. Our gift to you. And this is the thanks we get?

I keeeeeed! All in good fun. ]

Thanks Bob for allowing us to use our imaginations in the movie, unlike some of the other movies that have to spoon feed us every moment of intimacy that detracts from the main plot/story. I was FLOORED when this happened and it was so unexpected!! I loved it – it was a great idea and scenes. Hope to see more in 2012~ :D

445. vulcancafe - February 28, 2011

@boborci

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE find a way to fit in all these A and B listers who want to play dress up! see: Paul Giamatti wants to be a Klingon!

446. keachick - March 1, 2011

I have just googled Chris Pine and I have read about Simon Pegg talking about the new script saying what has been quoted here – “word from the bridge…amazeballs…”. Why are we not hearing this from the captain himself or at least from the communications officer? How is that the chief engineer is getting hold of *sensitive* *confidential* information? Should the captain be concerned? Where is the first officer, if the captain is not available for comment for whatever reason?

Nosey kea beaks need to know this stuff…;)

447. Harry Ballz - March 1, 2011

446.

Simon Pegg has enough time on his hands to imagine he has seen a script that hasn’t been finished yet. Chris Pine, on the other hand, is busier than a hooker at Charlie Sheen’s house! No time for such nonsense!

448. keachick - March 1, 2011

Oh Harry. You have such a way with words…:) And you just had to mention the Charlie Sheen name. I just saw him in an interview on TV last night and I have to say that he is something of a disgrace. It would seem that he had managed to get out of the studio $1.2 million per episode of Two and a Half Men, but was holding out for a staggering $3 million. They have now canned the series.

Charlie Sheen was actually moaning about the fact he was out of work and had a family to support. That man saw more money per episode than a good majority of people might get to see in a lifetime and a lot of them also have families to support. You mean, this Charlie Sheen person never put any money “away for a rainy day”. I guess boozing and shooting up is getting real expensive these days… Does he have any idea how pathetic and greedy he appears?

I am getting a little tired of hearing about the Charlie Sheens and Lindsay Lohens. Maybe if they got a real job, like being a janitor, ie someone working in the area of public sanitation keeping areas for public use hygienically safe…you know, something that actually helped people, looked after ordinary people.

Sorry for the rave – just had to get that off my chest.

449. Red Dead Ryan - March 1, 2011

Charlie has now lost his “Sheen”!

450. Charla - March 1, 2011

# 448 Actually keachick, Sheen was reportedly getting 2 million per episode- Poor guy, rough to have to live on that~

451. Harry Ballz - March 1, 2011

448.

Charlie (would scrub those toilets to a nice) Sheen!

452. captain_neill - March 1, 2011

441

The expanded Search For Spock score is amazing, got the CD last year as soon as it came out.

Although I don’t like Leonard Rosenman’s music for Voyage Home as much as James Horner, I still think it;s a great score. I think Rosenman’s score fits well with the lighter tone of Voyage Home.

However best two Star Trek composers are Jerry Goldsmith and James Horner.

In TV Ron Jones and Dennis McCarthy do Trek music I love.

453. Red Dead Ryan - March 1, 2011

451

Actually, Charlie Sheen is one piece of crap a toilet would avoid at all costs!

454. Harry Ballz - March 1, 2011

453

Oh, good! So you’re saying his career is NOT down the drain? Yahoo!

455. Red Dead Ryan - March 1, 2011

454

His career skipped the drain and went straight into the sewer!

P.S

You forgot the period (.) after the number.

456. Harry Ballz - March 1, 2011

Picky bastard! Take a guess which finger I’m holding up!

:>)

457. Red Dead Ryan - March 1, 2011

456
II
The middle one ( nIIm) I presume?

458. Red Dead Ryan - March 1, 2011

OOPS, seems the finger got cut off!

459. Harry Ballz - March 1, 2011

You’re lucky I didn’t cut off anything else!

460. Red Dead Ryan - March 1, 2011

Did you used to work for the mob or something?

461. Harry Ballz - March 1, 2011

No, a manicurist salon!

462. Red Dead Ryan - March 1, 2011

So, how many people did you “nail”?

463. Harry Ballz - March 2, 2011

Talk about your “cutting” remark!

464. mike - March 4, 2011

The new star trek needs to be epic…along the lines of star trek 2.

465. Let Them Eat Plomeek Soup - March 7, 2011

@41:

I know McCoy addressed a Nurse Chapel in ST12. I’m just campaigning for Chapel to have a bigger role in this next movie.

You might want to kill me for saying this, but what I really want to see is how Nurse Chapel develops that huge crush on Spock that lasts throughout all 3 seasons of TOS (practically).

And why does it seem like I’m one of the only ones who really, REALLY liked the Chapel character in TOS? isn’t there anyone else out there who wants to see her again?

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