Paul Giamatti Wants To Play Klingon In Star Trek Sequel + Stephen Fry Does Klingon Opera |
jump to navigation

Paul Giamatti Wants To Play Klingon In Star Trek Sequel + Stephen Fry Does Klingon Opera February 28, 2011

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Great Links,Star Trek Into Darkness,Trek Franchise , trackback

Another high profile actor has expressed interest in appearing in the 2012 Star Trek sequel. This time it is recent Golden Globe winner Paul Giamatti who wants to know what it will take to land a job as a Klingon. In other famous face as Klingon news, Brit actor and humorist Stephen Fry joined a production of Hamlet in Klingon for a new documentary. Details and photos below.


Giamatti wants to be a Klingon

Oscar-nominee and Golden Globe winner Paul Giamatti is mostly known as a character actor and critical darling of indie films. But in a new interview the actor has revealed he wants to break out of the box. Revealing his inner Trekkie, Giamatti tells the Portland Mercury:

It’s always been frustrating to me, because really, I just want to be, like, a Klingon or something. I really would love to play a Klingon. It’s like, goddammit, will I ever get to play a Klingon?

Giamatti in his most recent film "Barney’s Vision" – wants to be throwing back the Klingon blood wine in 2012 Star Trek sequel

Many fans are hoping that the Klingons, who were cut from the 2009 Star Trek film, will play a prominent role in the 2012 Star Trek sequel. Giamatti’s style could make for an interesting member of the warrior race. By the way, if you are wondering if Giamatti has what it takes to play a Klingon, check out this trailer for Ironclad, due in theaters in April. In Ironclad Giamatti plays the ruthless King John, who is not shy about chopping people up with an axe.

Giamatti joins notable actors such as Rosario Dawson and Rachel Weisz, who have expressed interest in appearing in the next JJ Abrams Star trek production, all of whom could make interesting additions to the franchise.

Fry does Klingon Hamlet

In other famous faces going Klingon news, last night British actor/writer/humorist Stephen Fry revealed that he participated in a Klingon production of Hamlet. Fry went Klingon for his upcoming BBC documentary series Planet Word, which explores language.  Fry tweeted pictures of himself in Klingon costume from Washington DC, including this one with the comment "A proud member of a fierce warrior race".

Stephen Fry as Klingon


1. PaulB. - February 28, 2011

Giamatti as Harry Mudd would be pretty interesting.

2. Thomas - February 28, 2011

Giamatti wouldn’t exactly be a physically imposing Klingon, but he would almost certainly have a unique take on the role. That would be interesting to see.

3. Adam M - February 28, 2011

I say if they don’t mind a small part let them all have a spot, could hurt have many cameos in a star trek movie.

4. gingerly - February 28, 2011

All I can picture is an insecure, ultra-neurotic, Klingon questioning his self-worth and the meaning of life.

Seriously, though Paul Giamatti is fantastic in everything he does. I’m sure he’d rock as a Klingon.

5. Simon - February 28, 2011

As much as I like Paul Giamatti I still would rather see Rosario Dawson as a Klingon.

6. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - February 28, 2011

I say let him. Lets have some Klongons and maybe he can play Kor. Or Kang.

7. Cygnus-X1 - February 28, 2011

1. PaulB. –

—-Giamatti as Harry Mudd would be pretty interesting.—-

He would be.

And I hope that his overture to play a Klingon isn’t an indication that there are going to be Klingons in the sequel. Haven’t we had enough of Klingons for a while?

8. Scott - February 28, 2011

Perhaps playing a Klingon could become the “in” thing in Hollwood. This could become the coveted position by famoius actors. It allows them to jump in a role and be somewhat unrecognizable.

9. dmduncan - February 28, 2011

I think Paul Giamatti would make a great Klingon, especially since he WANTS to play one. That’s the kind of talent I like to see ST continue to get. Love to see it hap’n cap’n.

10. I'm Dead Jim! - February 28, 2011

I wish people would just forget about Harry Mudd, one of the last characters I care to see revived in the JJ-verse.

Paul G wants to be a Klingon and will settle for nothing less. I say give it to him. His acting chops would be a wonderful asset to the cast.

11. naHQun - February 28, 2011

I want to play a Klingon as well.
I’ll even translate my own lines.

12. Rocket Scientist - February 28, 2011

This would be a fabulous bit of casting. I think he can pull it off!

13. RedShark - February 28, 2011

Stephen Fry played a Klingon?! That’s the most awesome thing I’ve ever heard! Wow.

14. Daoud - February 28, 2011

Read some of the old Star Trek Comics. The character who was the son of Klingon-in-Starfleet Konom and Lt. Bryce… Kobry became a great Klingon ambassador. That could be part of a template for a Giamatti-portrayed Klingon. Then again, Paul’s a dead ringer for Kras, the Klingon in Friday’s Child!!

15. "Check the Circuit!" - February 28, 2011

Is there an actor that doesn’t want to be in the sequel?? I heard the pig from Babe hopes to be cast against type and play a Klingon targ.

16. Red Dead Ryan - February 28, 2011

John Larroquette, John Tesh, James Worthy (former L.A. Laker), Christopher Plummer and Christopher Lloyd are big names who have previously played Klingons.

17. Richard - February 28, 2011

PaulB @1 is right – he’d be a great Harry Mudd!

18. Red Dead Ryan - February 28, 2011

God, Harry Mudd was one of the most annoying and campy characters ever done! LAME!

19. Basement Blogger - February 28, 2011

I think Paul Giamatti would be a great Klingon. I’ve seen him be very intense in his roles. I loved him as John Adams. One question, if you’ve seen the deleted scenes, the Klingons faces are covered. Will we get the full forehead?

20. Richard Dawson's Ruffled Shirt - February 28, 2011


FINALLY!!!!!! I’m so glad I’m not the only one.

Just breezed through the entire series (in about a month’s time) when I got them on Blu-ray and only skipped one episode — “I, Mudd” — THE worst episode ever. At least Spock’s Brain is good in a campy 60s B-movie kind of way. And it was closely followed by “The Alternative Factor”, an episode I still fail to completely understand.

Fry as a Klingon is brilliant. I love this man and the work he does.

21. boborci - February 28, 2011

love him so much. please, JJ, can we get him!?!

22. Sci-Fi Bri - February 28, 2011

make it happen, paramount. love giamatti in everything he does.

23. Sebastian - February 28, 2011

Please, no Harry Mudd. No, no, no!

I’d rather Paul Giamatti play KHAN than another dose of Harry Mudd…

24. Toothless Grishnar Cat - February 28, 2011

Bob, I’d be very interested to see your take on Klingons at some point, whether in ST’12 or some other point down the line. Such as, how would you address the cultural discrepancies between the TOS Klingons (i.e. an allegory for Space Communists, what with their military dictatorship fighting the Federation both diplomatically and militarily over neutral planets and their resources) versus the later Klingons (honor-driven, prone to eating bizarre foods with their hands, political infighting, sword duels).

Also, I agree with your statement :)

25. Joe Sidney - February 28, 2011


His work as John Adams was fantastic!!

He would be a great Klingon- a High Council member or a politician possibly, making the decisions from behind the front lines.

Bob Orci- I think you’ve found yourself a brutally fantastic Klingon!

26. Charla - February 28, 2011

I think Giomatti would be great as a Klingon- he in makeup would be able to pull it off.

who would have thought Eric Bana would of been a great Romulan enemy? He was very good in the role of Nero.

27. Charla - February 28, 2011

oops mispelled Giamatti- it’s late goin to bed now

goodnight :)

28. - February 28, 2011

I like Klingons as characters but overdone in the movies.

Harry Mudd was overdone in the first two minutes he was on Trek. It would be like bringing ja ja binks to Star Trek, no thanks.

Expand the universe, please.

Paul Giamatti is a great actor though.

29. Phobos - March 1, 2011

Harry Mudd, the only 2 (I think) episodes of ST I hated. In all 43 years of the franchise I hate only those 2 shows.

It would be a total sick joke if Harry Mudd is the storyline for ST II.

30. The Original Animated Next Generation Deep Space Voyager Enterprise I-XI - March 1, 2011

Well, if he could pull off playing an orangutan, why not?

31. captain_neill - March 1, 2011

Awesome, Want to see Stephen Fry do a Klingon in the Hamlet production. Stephen Fry is a legend.

Well as long as the Klingons aren’t taken away from their two known looks, I think there should be smooth headed Klingons as well a ridged forehead Klingons.

32. Basement Blogger - March 1, 2011

@ 21 Bob Orci

Since you want Paul Giamatti and he wants to play a Klingon, does that mean there are Klingons in the new film? Come on, Bob you can tell us. We’ll keep it a secret. Okay, this Internet thing will make that impossible. What about a blood oath. We’ll read your post and not tell anyone we know. :-)

33. andrew - March 1, 2011

I love Paul GIamatti, he’s a great actor.

He’s too small to be a Klingon without some trickery, though, so he’ll need some favorable camera angles and maybe Linda Gray’s shoulder pads from late 80’s Dallas episodes.

34. I'm Dead Jim! - March 1, 2011


He could play a Klingon with a Napoleon complex! (Is Paul G that small?)

35. I'm Dead Jim! - March 1, 2011

For that matter… get Stephen Fry too!

36. Paulaner - March 1, 2011


Agreed. I just can’t stand Harry Mudd.

37. Christopher_Roberts - March 1, 2011

I’m not sure having a film involving Klingons is a good idea. They’re the most over developed race in Star Trek and Nero may have altered this timeline for Starfleet, the Romulans and the Vulcans… but I think very little affected the Klingons. Shouldn’t they all still be recovering from that Enterprise two-parter – “Affliction” and “Divergence”? A large percentage of Klingons carrying a genetically engineered disease, that made them more human in appearance? I think it was said they wouldn’t have increased strength but a side effect could be they all have increased ambition and intelligence, making them more Augment like, more Khan like or whatever. Conquering the galaxy mixed into their DNA thanks to having disasterous contact with humans.

See what I mean. Not much else to say about Klingons. Romulans on the other hand, never really had anything like that “Bushido” retcon, Ron Moore and other TNG writers gave the Klingons. To look for the best representation of Romulans, it’s still “Balance of Terror” and aside from Trek lit, it never got any better than that…

38. Christopher_Roberts - March 1, 2011

Imagine a sort of reverse version of The Undiscovered Country featuring the Romulans. Klingons in it by all means, but loose allies in the background and Romulans brought to the fore, then made a lot more interesting than we’ve ever seen them.

Throw in some references to an offscreen conflict mankind had with them in the 22nd Century, with Admiral Archer still holding a bit of grudge over it.

39. Christopher_Roberts - March 1, 2011

Romulans making overtures towards the Vulcans, after the destruction of their homeworld. Threatening to split the Federation, bringing them out of that and reunite with their pointy-eared cousins, across the Neutral Zone. Taking the opportunity to undo all of humanities hard work in setting up an alliance between neighbouring races.

40. Christopher_Roberts - March 1, 2011

38. By “loose allies” of course I don’t mean with humans. Why would they have anything to do with us filth for polluting their race. No, no, I mean the Romulans. Sharing cloaking technology. Klingons suddenly cosying up to get more tech where Nero’s ship came from… Well, they think so but that was more advanced than Rommies can currently come up with isn’t it?

41. Tiberius Subprime - March 1, 2011

I thought earlier rumours had it that we might see the Talosians (ala Inception-type trickery).

But Klingons would be okay, as long as the story wasn’t to run-of-the-mill.

42. killamarshtrek - March 1, 2011

@ 21 Bob Orci

Are you referring to Paul Giamatti or Stephen Fry? I know you’re less familiar with Stephen than us brits but let me tell you he is every bit as good (if not better) than his comedy partner Hugh (House) Laurie. Check them out here:

43. Rhett Coates - March 1, 2011

#33 – “He’s too small to be a Klingon without some trickery, though…”

That would be QUITE the interesting thing: a “small” Klingon would likely be far more boastful and/or potray far more bravado to keep events flowing in his favor – a huge challenge for Kirk and the Big E’s crew. Paul isn’t THAT small, however. I was an Extra on the John Adams mini-series shot for HBO in Virginia during 2007, and stood next to him on a few takes on the Boston Harbor set near Goochland, Va. But you’re all right: Paul is a GREAT actor and has a fine personality; I think Bob Orci’s right about this casting choice: J.J., let them have Paul for a Klingon in ST 12.

#38 and #39 – Paul’s Klingon character might actually be a decendent of one of the characters who encountered Capt. Archer a century before (Klingons seem to have longer lifespans than humans, similar – I presume – to Vulcans and so forth), and may indeed hold a grudge about something the “Prime Timeline” Big E crews might not have been aware of, such as what happened to change Klingon foreheads from rough to smooth and back again…. Or maybe something bigger drives this character; Bob Orci would know, if that notion holds any merit for ST 12.

44. Niall Johnson - March 1, 2011

Yayy! Stephen Fry as the Klingon MeL’chiT!!


Way to go Stephen Fry!!!

45. rah - March 1, 2011

Just for the record its Barney’s Version, not vision.

I am pretty sure it’s Kilingons in the new movie, did you guys not notice the test ‘viral marketing’ about a year ago with various random Kilingon references popping up?

46. cm1701 - March 1, 2011

I don’t think it was mentioned above, but not only was Paul Giamatti great in Barney’s version, but so was Bruce Greenwood!

Spoiler Alert:

Yes, our own Christopher Pike was Guiamatti’s arch enemy from Canada’s NPR .

So, @21 BobOrci if you are serious- perhaps Greenwood might be another avenue to approach Giamatti?

I assume you are including Greenwood in the sequel- he was excellent in Trek ’09 and fictionally did for young Kirk and Spock what Eric Schmidt did for the real Google kids and trek fans Sergei Brin and Larry Page.

47. VZX - March 1, 2011

I remember Giamatti in Planet of the Apes. The movie sucked, but Giamatti was great in his role. He can handle acting in heavy make-up. I say get him!

48. Victor Hugo - March 1, 2011

He had plenty of opportunities to do that in the countless incarnations of the bleeping TV SHOWS!

Suddenly everyone´s a trekkie, right, bunch of Ferengi opportunists,
Anna Nicole Smith´s wannabes.

49. boborci - March 1, 2011

33 hes six feet tall!

50. Chris Doohan - March 1, 2011

He is a great Actor. Anyone who can play both an orangutan and pig vomit has my vote

51. MrPhil - March 1, 2011

#49 hes six feet tall!

5ft 8inches, according his cat. Not all Klingons were massive though, there were several “shorties” in TNG.
In an entirely different matter, is Tom Cruise available for a cameo?

52. Red Dead Ryan - March 1, 2011


“…is Tom Cruise available for a cameo?”

Yes he is, but his “services” are NOT required!

53. captain_neill - March 1, 2011

Read a article on The Onion, stating that having Michael Keaton would make 87% of films better.

Michael keaton is one of my favourite actors (and he is still my favourite Batman), and I have read that he is also one of JJ Abrams favourite actors.

Be cool to have Michael Keaton in the next movie.

54. keachick - March 1, 2011

#*42 Yes I was wondering that myself. Was Bob Orci referring to Paul Giamatti or Stephen Fry? I was also going to mention a little production of Blackadder that Stephen Fry and Hugh Laurie, with Rowan Atkinson, as well…LOL, but you beat me to it.

Stephen Fry would make a fine Klingon. A very talented guy and rather funny as well. I’ve just seen him run a panel show, QI (BBC), with Alan Davies, among others, recently on TV here. Good stuff.

The only time I can recall seeing Paul Giamatti was in a movie called “Big Fat Liar” starring Frankie Munz (Malcolm in the Middle). He was really good in that – very funny. It also featured a young John Cho! It is one of those kiddult movies – my kids love it.

My preference would be to get Stephen Fry, if at all possible. He’s got more of that impressive Klingon physique.

I hope that Bruce Greenwood is back somewhere in the sequel. Kirk still needs a mentor. Loved Bruce as Pike. Brilliant.

* According to Richard Adams in his book, “A Hitch Hikers Guide to the Universe”, 42 is the answer to everything!

55. keachick - March 1, 2011

* My mistake. The first book is called, “The Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy”. His second book is called, “The Restaurant at the End of the Universe”.

56. captain_neill - March 1, 2011


His name is actually Douglas Adams.

42 was the meaning to life, the universe and everything.

57. Phil - March 1, 2011

33. andrew – March 1, 2011

He’s to small??!!
Christopher Lloyd 6′-0″
Christopher Plummer 5′-9″
Michael Dorn 6′-3″
John Colicos 5′-9
Paul Giamatti 5′-8

What, you want guys the size of pro wrestlers to play the part? Hell, I’m 6-3, sign me up!! If he brings the intensity that Heath Ledger (6-1) brought to the role of the Joker, sign him up.

58. Phil - March 1, 2011

Oh, and I will not be watching the next movie if Harry Mudd is even a minor charactor…even if he gets blown out an airlock in the opening credits….Treks version of Jar Jar Binks is not required.

59. VZX - March 1, 2011

50: I forgot about Pig Vomit! Private Parts was a great movie, and the first time I saw Giamatti. Yeah, he would make an awesome Klingon!

60. keachick - March 1, 2011

#56 You are right. The author’s name is Douglas Adams. Where did I get Richard from?

At least I was right about 42, except that somehow, they, someone, whoever, whatever find out that 42 is wrong…at least I think that’s right. So confusing are these profound questions and answers…:)

Got the DVD somewhere. My 8 year old daughter likes watching it, but I have not seen it in a while. Perhaps that is why she appears so much wiser than I do. *Watching both Transformers DVDs help as well. Bob Orci wrote all the good parts of the Transformer movies. I think Michelle told me that. She approves!

* Thought I would throw that in as a special for all Transformers dislikers.

Better get on. I am in a stirring mood. Probably better if I stir/whip up a chocolate cake…

61. Michael Hall - March 1, 2011

Hmm. Did it occur to anyone else here that Giamatti’s statement reflected more a generic notice that as such an acclaimed actor he’d enjoy the opportunity to go slumming, rather than any specific desire to appear in the Trek sequel? Many performers relish the chance to chew the scenery as the villain once in while. That said, he is a superb actor, and Trek would be very lucky to have him.

62. Navy - March 1, 2011

I wonder if there will even be a story for the next star trek movie, other than filler to make room for the apple, coke-cola commercials and celebrity cameos.

Who cares who wants to be part of star trek, lets get the people best suited to the job to represent the characters.

63. captain_neill - March 1, 2011

anyone for Michael Keaton?

64. Shannon Nutt - March 1, 2011

Paul’s a little short for a Klingon…I see him more as a Ferrengi. He would be a good Harry Mudd (and I’m sure he’d enjoy the “cargo” that comes with that role!)

65. T'Cal - March 1, 2011

Forget Mudd. Boring! How about as a Tellarite??

66. Dom - March 1, 2011

Stephen Fry: a stupid person’s idea of what an intelligent person is like. No wonder the BBC loves him!

67. JK - March 1, 2011



68. Robin Raianiemi - March 1, 2011

Paul Giamatti could play Arne Darvin. No make-up, very much in line with characters he’s played before…and he’s a Klingon.

69. Harry Ballz - March 1, 2011


Bob, with you describing Paul Giamatti as “six feet tall”, when, in actual fact, he’s 5 feet 8.5 inches in height, are we to take it that you very much admire his acting prowess? :>)

70. Michael Hall - March 1, 2011

“Stephen Fry: a stupid person’s idea of what an intelligent person is like. No wonder the BBC loves him!”

Yeah, that’s the BBC all right, filled from basement to rafters with stupid people. Unlike, say, Fox News.

71. Cygnus-X1 - March 1, 2011

The annoying quality of Harry Mudd was entirely attributable to the actor who played him. A reboot of Harry Mudd wouldn’t be necessarily annoying and Paul Giamati probably wouldn’t play him annoyingly. We could get lemonade from that TOS lemon. And let’s not forget what does necessarily come along with Harry Mudd—Mudd’s women. And who doesn’t want to see a reboot of them? Arrrroooogah!!

72. VZX - March 1, 2011

I don’t get all the hate for Harry Mudd. Wasn’t “Mudd’s Women” the first produced Trek episode after the two pilots? It’s a classic ep, and Mudd is an obvious stereotype of old-skool drug dealer and a pimp. It might be a little cheesey to have that kind of thing in a big blockbuster Trek movie, but I think it would be cool to have Harry Mudd as a quick cameo.

Besides that, I think Giamatti would be better cast as Cyrano Jones.

73. Thomas - March 1, 2011

This is completely off-topic, but it is Trek-related, and I don’t know if anyone here has this yet:

74. Pierre - March 1, 2011

I agree that Paul Giamatti would be great as #47 VZX put it.
But hey, didn’t Bob give us a hint there WILL BE Klingons in ST12?

75. Techtrekker - March 1, 2011

Paul would be an awesome Klingon! Loved him in so many things!

76. TrekMadMeWonder - March 1, 2011

Paul G!

GREAT job on the HBO miniseries John Adams.

I LOVED that miniseries, even without the Klingons!!!!


77. boborci - March 1, 2011

69. Exactly! He’s nine feet tall!

78. boborci - March 1, 2011

But look at this. Church is six feet, and Paul is right there with him.

79. RedShark - March 1, 2011

I just read the Giamatti interview again…It doesn’t seem to me that HE actually mentioned the Star Trek Sequel. He basically just said ‘It would be fun to play a Klingon.’ Not quite the same as ‘I want to be in the sequel!’

80. jas_montreal - March 1, 2011

bob, your sooo freaken cool man.

81. Daoud - March 1, 2011

Hey, just borrow Travolta’s shoes from Battlefield Earth. What were they, about a foot of platform? Giamatti will look dominating…. cool beans.

82. Phil Maigroin - March 1, 2011

God, please don’t let the new movie be full of re-treaded things we have seen in the past. Surely, there are enough fresh ideas out there that will free us from things like Klingons, Khan, Harry Mudd, the Borg, Romulans, tribbles or cloned captains. Please let someone know that there are plenty of us trekkies that would love something new and fresh. Surprise and shock me with your ingenuity.

83. Cygnus-X1 - March 1, 2011

Paul Giamatti in any role would be a treat, whether he’s a Klingon wearing Gene Simmons’ platform boots, Harry Mudd or some kinda quirky space-weigh-station manager.

84. Basement Blogger - March 1, 2011

@ 37 Christopher Roberts

Thanks for the heads up on those “Enterprise” episodes dealing with the Klingon head ridges. (“Affliction”) I gave up on Enterprise not because of the quality of the show but for many reasons, one the long story arc and both Voyager and it were on a low powered UPN TV station. The more I watch “Enterprise” the more I like it. Still hate the main theme from “Patch Adams!”

By the way, the canon in Enterprise survives Nero’s invasion of the prime timeline. Scotty better find Admiral Archer’s beagle soon.

85. keachick - March 1, 2011

“Stephen Fry: a stupid person’s idea of what an intelligent person is like. No wonder the BBC loves him!”

Actually I suspect that Stephen Fry is fairly intelligent. Hugh Laurie as well.They both managed to successfully work alongside Rowan Atkinson and I do know, for a fact, that Rowan Atkinson is VERY intelligent.

The BBC in particular, along with ITV and Thames Television, has produced some of the very best television programmes since the invention of the TV set in every area – drama, comedy, current affairs and news, documentaries and soap operas. It was not until the late ’80s did the USA start doing similar, with one of the most notable exceptions being Star Trek (TOS). Goddamn commercialism/advertising.

86. keachick - March 1, 2011

#84 Bob Orci assured us that Admiral Archer’s beagle did survive the transporter mishap. Phew. Of course, I want to see proof in the sequel…:)

Yet another job for the casting team…sigh…:)!

87. The Original Spock's Brain - March 1, 2011

No Rosario, ever…

88. The Original Spock's Brain - March 1, 2011

Giamatti is one of our a finest actors, so yes he can rock a Klingon!

89. yesterdays franchisee - March 1, 2011

t seems strange to me that these guys would bomb canon and make a completely new time line and not have a plan for the next two or three movies. These guys have an M.O. of designing wonderful beginings and then letting them sail right off the into the realm of the absurd or just plain sucking. (I.e. Lost, Heros, Cloverfield, etc.) You say your gonna do a reboot and blow a big a** whole in the StarTrek universe, I’m down. But don’t tell me your barely finishing the script last min for only 1 movie. They should already have both scripts down, doing preproduction on making both films at the same time, and waiting on approval for a 4th. Now we gotta wait for these jokers to duct tape together a 3rd script another 3 yrs from now. You know what, fine. They better not screw this up cause if I gotta wait 6-7 yrs for the series to end I get some crap Lost ending I am gonna be pissed.

90. dmduncan - March 1, 2011

LOVED the ending of Lost!

91. Red Dead Ryan - March 1, 2011


I take it someone pissed in your cereal this morning?

92. jas_montreal - March 1, 2011

@ 89

LOL. Awesome Rant man.

93. Harry Ballz - March 1, 2011


Yeah, but judging by THIS photo, Paul could be sitting on Thomas’s lap for all we know!

94. Toothless Grishnar Cat - March 1, 2011

Would it be improper of me to point out that Orci/Kurtzman had nothing to do with Lost, Heroes or Cloverfield?

95. CarlG - March 1, 2011

@44: Thumbs up for the Blackadder reference!
In the nuTrek universe, Kirk gets sent to Rura Penthe for accidentally shooting MeL’chiT’s favorite messenger targ, Speckled K’jim. :)

Seriously though, I’m really hyped for that documentary. Mr. Fry is a serious linguaphile (is that the right word?), and listening to him hold forth on a subject he’s passionate about is just a delight.

96. CarlG - March 1, 2011

@94: Please, when did the internets ever let a little thing like facts get in the way of a really good rant? ;)

97. Maj - March 2, 2011


“To look for the best representation of Romulans, it’s still “Balance of Terror” and aside from Trek lit, it never got any better than that…”

Balance of Terror was a ‘good’ episode in-the-classic-sense, but there’s really no comparison here, seriously, even the sets are hilarious. You really can’t compare that to the Romulan episodes in TNG like The Pegasus, or DS9 with the Tal Shiar side story. Every race in Star Trek are meant to embody certain qualities, cultural idiosyncrasies, etc. The way Romulans were developed after TOS (treacherous, deceptive, secretive) is what makes them such a pivotal part of the story today, just like the Klingons and the Vulcans. At the beginning, whilst producing that episode, and I think it was the first Romulan episode in the whole series – it’s obvious the writers, including Gene, didn’t have a totally clear idea of what exactly they wanted this race to represent in the canon, just that they were powerful and like a lot of other races out there they don’t get along with the Federation and don’t share their ideals – simple as that. The only thing Balance of Terror really stood for story-wise; is Kirk’s tactical prowess.

98. Cygnus-X1 - March 2, 2011

The most obvious attribute in Balance of Terror was that the Romulans were meant to be somewhat analoguous to the ancient Romans.

99. Basement Blogger - March 2, 2011

@ 89

Okay, let’s just relax here. The new movie is not out and no one’s seen it. If I may channel Spock, let’s be logical about this and remember we shouldn’t judge something we have not seen. Or as Star Trek Producer and Writer Harve Bennett, Star Trek 2009 critic, has written, “Young minds. Fresh Ideas. Be tolerant.” (Star Trek III)

Plus, you’re getting your Bad Robot projects and the people who’ve worked on them mixed up. “Lost” did have Trek writer Damon Lindelof as showrunner. And I agree with you if you hated season six of “Lost.” . It was a contrived mess. They made a world so they could find each other?! Geez if I made my own world, I’d be out of the basement and be rich. And what about “Cloverfield’s” first person cameraman? Would you let your friend film you while a monster is attacking New York city? And what about the brain dead yuppies? Let’s just run in the direction the rats are running away from! I rooted for the monster to put an end to the movie by killing the protaganists. I have not seen anything on IMDB to indicate that Star Trek writers Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci did anything significant on “Lost” or “Cloverfield.”

But I dgress. Look, I’ve criticized Star Trek (2009) but i’ve also said I liked it and admired it. Heck, I’ve seen it three times at the theater and many times on DVD. Star Trek 2009 was a financial and critical success. It successfully rebooted the franchise and created new fans who I hope will discover that “talky-gooey” Star Trek that Gene Roddenberry put out. Producer J.J. Abrams did create a good show in “Alias.” Abrams did a wonderful job directing “Mission Impossible III” and “Star Trek.” Writers Alex Kurtzman, Roberto Orci (“Mission Impossible III”) and J.J. Abrams created the smart, and cool “Fringe.” Plus everyone wants to go deeper. (Link below) The film is in good hands. Try to have a little optimism.

!) J.J. Abrams wants to go deeper with the next film..

2) Damon Lindelof wants to go deeper with the next film.

100. Basement Blogger - March 2, 2011

I just watched Star Trek: Enterprise episodes “Affliction and Divergence.” Thanks Christopher @ 37 for pointing those episodes out for how some Klingons lost their forehead ridges.

While I didn’t see the need to explain the discrepancy between TOS and ST: TMP, etc. Klingons, it was cleverly put together. I mean I knew advances in makeup and budgets probably created the Klingons with ridges. Still, it was very entertaining bridging other iterations of Trek including Enterprise, and DS9. Kudos to writers Mike Sussman, Manny Coto, Judith Reeves-Stevens and Garfield Reeves-Stevens.

By the way back to the 2009 film, the Klingons in the deleted scenes had masks. I wonder if that was to cover up their human looking faces “deformed” by the virus. Frankly, I don’t see the need to go into that much detail for the new movie. Forehead ridges would be fine. And Paul Giamatti has a lot of room for those ridges! :-) And don’t forgot that Victor Garber was a Klingon inquisitor in the deleted scene. He was such a bad ass in “Alias.” Both might be cool Klingons in the new movie if um, … there are Klingons.

Oh, a couple last things. John Schuck (ST: IV) plays a Klingon doctor in the Enterprise episodes. He’s just great. And Seth McFarlane (creator of “Family Guy”) gets a role as an engineer. And my favorite moment is when Captain Erika Hernandez (Ada Maris) orders the U.S.S. Columbia to leave dry dock and take her to warp. Yep, a little thing like asking the helmsman to take her out gives me goose bumps. See ST: Generations. :-)

101. captain_neill - March 2, 2011

I see no one got back to my comment about Michael Keaton.

No comments?

102. Christopher_Roberts - March 2, 2011

101. He’s cool and he’ll always be my Batman… and as a Brit, you’d think it would be Christian Bale. That comes from being just old enough to get in and see his movies back. Tim Burton, Michael Keaton and a Gothic Gotham for me.

103. Christopher_Roberts - March 2, 2011

*What is it with me today? Mistakes in every post!*

102. That comes from being just old enough to get in and see his movies way back when.

104. Christopher_Roberts - March 2, 2011

100. You’re very welcome! Makes me smile whenever anybody comes back and notices there was actually a lot of cool stuff in Enterprise.
Occasionally even well-thought through. :)

I’d recommend checking out the earlier episodes with Brent Spiner as an ancestor of Dr. Soong – Data’s creator… just to see the mayhem Augments left over from the Eugenics War caused with the Klingons.

105. Jai - March 2, 2011

(Hmm. My comment seems to have weirdly disappeared into the filter. Let me try again:)

Well, if there are Klingons in the next film, all I can say is that hopefully they’ll be depicted with sufficient nuance and sophistication to include superb lines of dialogue such as the following examples from “DS9″:

The Klingon general Martok to his wife Sirella, receiving her upon her arrival to DS9 in the episode “You Are Cordially Invited”:

Martok: “My Lady.”
Sirella: “You’ve put on weight, and your hair is going gray.”
Martok: “My…deterioration is proceeding apace.”
Sirella: “I thought you would be in your grave by now.”
Martok: “[laughs] I shall endeavor to die — THIS year, if possible. Allow me to present Captain Benjamin Sisko, Commander of Deep Space Nine. Captain, may I present the Mistress of the House of Martok, my wife and the mother of my children, Sirella, daughter of Linkasa.”
Sisko: “Welcome to Deep Space Nine.”
Sirella: “Thank you, Captain. Where is she?”
Martok: “Jadzia’s quarters are in the Habitat ring, section twenty five alpha. [suavely] Shall I escort you? It’s quite far away.”
Sirella: [Dismissively] “I’ll find my way. If you’ll excuse me.”
Martok: [stares after her as she walks off, and growls:] “Maaaagnificent, isn’t she?”
Sisko: Looks at Martok, raises eyebrow.

Martok to Worf, later in the same episode:

“We are not accorded the luxury of choosing the women we fall in love with. Do you think Sirella is anything like the woman I thought that I’d marry? She is a prideful, arrogant, mercurial woman, who shares my bed far too infrequently for my taste. And yet…I love her, deeply. [Wry laugh]. We Klingons often tout our prowess in battle, our desire for glory and honor above all else. But how hollow is the sound of victory without someone to share it with. Honor gives little comfort to a man alone in his home…and in his heart.”

Kor to Martok and other Klingons after they’ve been ridiculing him, in the episode “Once More Unto the Breach”:

“Savor the fruit of life, my young friends. It has a sweet taste when it is fresh from the vine. But don’t live TOO long. The taste turns bitter…after a time.”

Martok’s aide Darok to Kor, later in the same episode:

Darok: “Men of our generation never stood on ceremony [laughs]. We ate when we were hungry, we fought when we were angered. Oh…I miss the simplicity of those days.”
Kor: “I miss a great deal about those days.”
Darok: “The warriors on this ship – they don’t know what they’ve missed. But such is the way with children. They often let the promise of the future obscure the glories of the past.”
Kor: “Is there a point to this nostalgic indulgence?”
Darok: “Only that they ARE children. Even Martok, who, for all his flaws, is a great man, even Martok is but a child compared to you or me. They’re quick to judge, but slow to forgive. They still have much to learn.”

Absolutely fantastic stuff.

There have of course also been some very entertaining stereotypically Klingon lines:

Martok’s offhand remark in the episode “Once More Unto the Breach”, after a disagreement with his aide Darok:

“It’s a pity Captain Sisko frowns on summary executions”.

[Towards the end of the same episode, after some fellow Klingons have gone on what appears to be a suicide mission]:

Darok gives Martok a bottle of blood-wine.
Martok: [Surprised] “On the BRIDGE ?!”
Darok: “If they succeed, you can drink to their courage. And if they fail, you can still drink to their courage.”

Martok to Worf, in the episode “You Are Cordially Invited”:

“We ARE Klingons, Worf. We don’t embrace other cultures, we conquer them!”

For those of us who would be perfectly happy with Klingons turning up in “Star Trek 2012”, let’s hope some similar gems are in store from the pens of Bob Orci & co ;)

106. jas_montreal - March 2, 2011

wow, long post.

107. Basement Blogger - March 2, 2011

@ 105 Jai

That is good stuff. I miss DS9.

108. CJS - March 2, 2011

Giamatti played the orangutan version of Harry Mudd in Burton’s Planet of the Apes. He’d also be good as Cyrano Jones, not a Klingon but a dealer in Klingon annoying tribbles.

109. Phil - March 2, 2011

63. captain_neill – March 1, 2011

NO to MK. He might work in a reboot of TNG as Counsler Troi, though…

110. Phil - March 2, 2011

I really don’t understand all the love for some of ST’s most oaf-ish characters. Jones, Mudd, whoever really didn’t make that much of a contribution to the show, let alone do anything worthy of building a role into a major motion picture. On another thread, there is some hand wringing about merchendising. Well, to give the franchise a shot in the arm, how about new, developed characters? Stick the Prime Directive and canon on the back burner for a bit, give this universe time to flesh itself out, and you might actually have something that’s appealing to more then convention attenders.

111. David P - March 2, 2011

i love Giamatti as a Klingon! hopefully in a scene with the SHAT

112. TrekMadMeWonder - March 2, 2011

People liked Jones because he bucked the system. For instance, he was aparently the only one with pockets in the 23rd century. Something that did not take off again until the ‘Packleds’ came along.

113. Gene L. Coon was a U. S. Marine. Stand at ease. - March 2, 2011

Put me down as “for” Giamatti!

Hey Bob, would love to see a more TOS take on the Klingons. I prefer the devious, very very clever, and ruthless Klingons of TOS over the nearly cartoonish later movie and TNG Klingons. I think it is too simple to say the TOS Klingons were Soviet stand-ins. They were, to an extent. But let’s not forget that the Soviets were very formidable adversaries. I think the Russian affinity for chess is a great angle for the TOS Klingons. You could always tell they were thinking, and plotting three moves out. Much of Trek is Kirk and Spock out-thinking their adversaries. It wasn’t for nothing that we often saw them playing 3D chess.

Just sayin’

114. Let Them Eat Plomeek Soup - March 3, 2011

I liked Harry Mudd well enough. The only thing that grated on me was the way he talked–a constant stream of “Harrumfumph…”

I just hope and pray that they don’t make Mudd the subject for the 12th movie. A lot of trees would die needlessly for all the scripts they print up.

115. Daoud - March 3, 2011

If Klingon, Giamatti as Koloth. Perfect fit.

116. glsolo - March 4, 2011

Everyone! Starts sending emails to the writers and a producers of Star Trek to get Paul Giamatti in the next movie. We could also get Stephen Fry if he’s not to busy. :D

117. LJ - March 4, 2011

@105 Loved all those Klingon scenes in DS9 (Kor to Martok, etc.). As a Brit, they reminded me very much of our elder generation reminiscing on the time of Empire and our own glory, and that they believe we are know ‘lions led by donkeys’.

I’ve said it before, but when I look at Trek as a whole I compare the Klingon Empire to Britain, rather than the old USSR comparison. They seem to be a declining power (less expansionist motives, caught up in in-fighting, far less powerful than newer foes – the Borg (China?) and the Dominion, and also less powerful than allies (UFP)).

I believe the Klingon Empire is also a constitutional monarchy (wasn’t the clone Kahless installed as a figurehead Emperor). The UK is, even now, technically an empire: more than one country, it’s territories and protectorates, ruled by a single monarch. When you include the Commonwealth Realms and all their territories and protectorates, this is even more evident. Klingons, as are we, are also a warrior people guided by principles of honour and tradition: they have our traditional ‘stiff upper lip’, sense of duty, patriotism and single-mindedness.

On the other hand, I always saw the UFP as the EU, and the Romulans as Japan, rather than Rome (a traditionally secretive society that becomes highly expansionist and confrontational when they ‘open up’).

118. LJ - March 4, 2011

And if I was producing Star Trek 2012, I’d love a film featuring the following: Ian McKellen (Fleet Admiral Robert April), Michael Gambon (UFP President), Christian Bale (Fleet Captain Garth of Izar), Helen Mirren (T’Pau), Sean Bean (Commander Kor), Billy Connolly and Stephen Fry (Commanders Koloth and Kang). Directed by Chris Nolan…

…well, we can all dream…

and unfortunately my dream casting for a Trek movie, Pete Postlethwaite, sadly passed away recently.

119. LJ - March 4, 2011

Sorry for the triple post…but I forgot to work Michael Caine in there somewhere, and Mark Strong (would make a great Romulan, or Kodos the Executioner).

120. MJ - March 5, 2011

@5 “As much as I like Paul Giamatti I still would rather see Rosario Dawson as a Klingon.”

LOL Right. Nothing like T&A over substance. LOL

121. MJ - March 5, 2011

@119. Oh please, hasn’t Hollywood gone to the well enough already with Mark Strong as a bad guy. How about doing something original, and let Strong play a supporting starship captain instead.

122. MJ - March 5, 2011

@111 “i love Giamatti as a Klingon! hopefully in a scene with the SHAT”

That would be an interesting contrast — the ultimate actor versus the ultimate buffoon.

123. keachick - March 5, 2011

“That would be an interesting contrast — the ultimate actor versus the ultimate buffoon.”

Yes, indeed. But which is which?

124. MJ - March 6, 2011

@123. Well I’ll take the Yale Graduate and multiple Oscar nominee. is represented by Gorilla Nation. Please contact Gorilla Nation for ad rates, packages and general advertising information.