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Exclusive: Star Trek Sequel Filming Starts January 15th + Locations & Pre-production Update November 16, 2011

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Star Trek Into Darkness , trackback

Things continue to progress for the Star Trek sequel, recently reported to be in consideration for a 2013 release. TrekMovie has an exclusive update on the status for pre-production on the project including locations, the script and casting. We also have news on the exact date for the start of filming. See below for more details.

 

Sequel shooting January 15th + ILM already working + Hawaii a possibility

TrekMovie has learned from trusted sources that the official start date for production on the Star Trek sequel is January 15th, 2012. This is over four years and two months after the start of production for the 2009 Star Trek movie (which began shooting on November 7th, 2007).

Pre-production for the Star Trek sequel has been underway for a few months. It began using the famous "extensive outline" but sources tell TrekMovie a draft script has been completed and submitted to the studio. In fact, just yesterday co-writer/ producer Roberto Orci made a comment here at TrekMovie.com noting: that the script has "been done for a while" and they are currently working on the 3rd draft. In another comment posted today at TrekMovie, Orci himself noted "rewriting is a good thing which normally makes the script better. We like to keep pushing the script, even if no one gives us notes."

Sources tell TrekMovie that the writing team of Orci, Alex Kurtzman and Damon Lindelof are currently working on a draft to ensure the film fits into the budget the Paramount has set. The studio is said to be "very enthusiastic" about the project and very supportive of producer/director Abrams and his core team.

Much of the design work for the film has been completed, with the team again headed by Scott Chambliss as production designer. And construction has already started for some of the new sets. Many sets and location set dressing elements from the 2009 film (such as the USS Enterprise) have been in storage and will be re-used for the sequel. In addition, ILM has already started work on some of the effects shots for the movie. While effects work is often considered part of post-production, there are many space effects shots which can be made without the need of any filmed elements.


The script is in and ILM are already making effects shots for the "Star Trek" sequel (shot from 2009 film above)

In addition, the team lead by director JJ Abrams is currently picking locations. TrekMovie has learned that Abrams himself traveled to Hawaii to scout a location which is being seriously considered for a "jungle planet." Shooting will also include a museum in Los Angeles standing in for what a source said was a "famous Star Trek location." As per usual with a Star Trek film, studio shooting will take place on a number of stages on the Paramount lot.

Of course all the main cast from the original Star Trek movie are returning and the casting process for new characters is currently being discussed, however sources indicate none of the new roles have been cast so far.

TrekMovie does not have any details to report on the plot of the film yet, but it is described as "bigger" in scope than the 2009 Star Trek film.

Stay tuned to TrekMovie for all the news on the Star Trek sequel.


JJ Abrams directing the 2009 "Star Trek" movie – will begin shooting sequel on January 15th

 

Comments

1. Shatner_Fan_Prime - November 16, 2011

Yes! :)

2. Chris - November 16, 2011

First! Let´s go the LOST beach… Cant´wait for this movie.

3. George Lazenby - November 16, 2011

Excellent news. Someone needs to put up a countdown clock on that day.

4. SpencerJayK - November 16, 2011

Great. And when the movie is released eight years from now, I’m sure it will be FANTASTIC.

5. Tamek - November 16, 2011

I will be 253 years old when the movie is released!

6. Tiberius Subprime - November 16, 2011

Let’s hope they redesign the engineering section.
And maybe the bridge.

Jungle planet? Hum…

7. Vulcan Soul - November 16, 2011

“Bigger in scope” huh? That means this film’s baddie will threaten to blow up the entire galaxy? ;)

8. captainslater - November 16, 2011

The bridge is cool but the engineering brewery was really bad

9. jamesingeneva - November 16, 2011

Welcome back Anthony, we’ve missed you!!!

10. Daniel - November 16, 2011

My gut tells me I should stop reading this web site so I can avoid any spoilers. It would be great to see the next movie without any clue as to what is going to happen. But there is simply no way for me to manage that.

Best of luck to all involved. It will be interesting to see the actors now that they are about four years older.

Please give us a hint as to whether or not we can see a “new and improved” engineering section!

11. The ste - November 16, 2011

Let the speculation commence and the haters moan, yet again, about the delay in filming etc…I say it’ll be worth waiting on.

12. DJT - November 16, 2011

Let’s rock n’ roll!

13. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 16, 2011

Yes Yes Yes. Didn’t I say that filming would start between 8 January and 15 January 2011? Was that here or somewhere else? Anyway, it’s good to be right about something.

Hawaii for a “jungle planet”? OMG – Bob, what are you saying? Will it have nulis – you know, those creatures that are animal, vegetable, mineral and a lot more than the sum of their parts. Some are even capable of space flight! They are nice creatures – telepaths with individual quirks. Some can be very, very old, while others can be slightly bigger than the size of a Menosian woman’s embryo, growing as her baby grows. The little nuli serves as the baby’s cot and cuddly rug and later as a little canoe for the growing child. Oh well, a gal can dream…

Anthony, Bob Orci – how about some pre-Christmas/Holidays season pictures of all the cast (my own super 8) on the bridge – need it for my desktop, you see. PLEASE!

14. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 16, 2011

Chris Pine looks an absolute honey in the latest pictures I have seen of him. Hopefully, James Kirk will have a better complexion as well, thanks to the wonders of 23rd century medicine.

15. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 16, 2011

Now that I don’t get to see the TV series Hawaii Five-0, I guess seeing Hawaii via Star Trek will have to do…:)

16. Basement Blogger - November 16, 2011

Good to hear from you Anthony. Thanks for the news. Excited about the “deeper” Star Trek to come. But 2013 is going to be a painful period of waiting.

17. Neumann - November 16, 2011

People, google “los angeles museum” and see what images come up, which do you think will be the “famous location” mentioned?

18. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 16, 2011

I just did google the Los Angeles museum and there was a red band right across the middle of the photograph. Awful – just could not get a decent look at the place. I doubt I’ll get to see this place in person either. It reminds me of Klingon architecture but not sure… I still think Del Toro will play Khan in either a big or small role.

19. Richard C. - November 16, 2011

“Jungle Planet”, why not do a Planet of the Apes? LOL!!
Either way, I can’t wait to see it! :)

20. Gorn Born - November 16, 2011

“Of course all the main cast from the original Star Trek movie are returning and the casting process for new characters is currently being discussed, however sources indicate none of the new roles have been cast so far.”

Does this mean that the report about Guillermo Del Toro signing on as the villain is wrong?

21. Anthony Pascale - November 16, 2011

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The Variety report only noted that Del Toro was being discussed. There are a few steps between being discussed for a role and being signed on.

22. Basement Blogger - November 16, 2011

Which museum? The California Science Center looks cool. And the Los Angeles Art Musuem is fascinating. Links. Since these places are huge, I’m guessing Captain Kirk’s bachelor pad. I keeed. I keeed.

As far as Hawaii for a location, that’s sweet. There maybe an away mission to a strange new world. Cool.

http://www.californiasciencecenter.org/GenInfo/GenInfo.php

http://www.lacma.org/visit/plan-your-visit

23. CmdrR - November 16, 2011

More Orion slave girls!

24. CmdrR - November 16, 2011

Oh, and welcome back, Anthony.

25. I'm Dead Jim! - November 16, 2011

Could Hawaii be Ceti Alpha V? NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

26. Kirk, James T. - November 16, 2011

EXCITEAMUNGO !

27. Chris M - November 16, 2011

This is the second piece awesome news I have heard today! Found out today that for the very first time Australia will host a Comic-Con event and on June 30th and July 1st 2012 Sir Patick Stewart and Stan Lee will be right here in Melboure!! Woohoo

#10 I had the same intentions as you in trying to avoide reading any updates on the new movie but alas I know I’m not going to be able to resist the temptation……..

28. David C. Roberson - November 16, 2011

My girlfriend just finished Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country. We watched all six of the original movies in a couple of weeks’ time. This after watching The Original Series and The Animated Series. Tomorrow I bring her The Next Generation. Know what? I suddenly could not care less about the new Star Trek movie… Not being negative here. It’s just that I kinda feel like the new stuff will never compare to the original stuff. -shrugs-

29. ripleyaeryn - November 16, 2011

Los Angeles and Hawaii as filming locations (close to Hawaii Five 0!! Maybe Daniel Dae Kim – seen on Enterprise season 3- should get a small part!) , I LOVE IT!

Sets like in the first movie : I don’t like it
ILM working on FX : star wars FX fear, we’re in Star Trek, not Star Wars!

Scott Bakula as Admiral Archer would be the best thing for this movie!

30. Anthony Pascale - November 16, 2011

RE: spoilers
as we did with the first film, If spoilers do get reported from other sites or TrekMovie sources they will be kept inside the articles and off the front page so you can skip the spoilery articles. And if there ever were a ruin the movie for you/”darth vader is luke’s father” type of spoiler, we probably wouldnt even report it.

31. Mike - November 16, 2011

@30

What? Darth Vader is Luke’s FATHER??????? Thanks a LOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

32. Geek_Girl - November 16, 2011

I’ve rewritten my reply a few times now because everything has come out sounding really b!tchy. So all I’ll say is it’s about time boys. Oh and the best way to make up for your tardiness is to offer me some work experience on the movie ; )…or just make it a really, really good movie.

@27. Wow that’s great news. I’ve never been to a con before so I can’t wait to go to Comic Con .

33. ilker - November 16, 2011

no matter what the box office says, this sequel will fail to be a true ST work like the 2009 film. The style and lore discarded in the hope of attracting new fans seems to have been a flop. I have not seen any youngsters around recruited because of the 2009 film. And they are killing the franchise for the old fans with that parallel universe. Paramount should have bee wiser. ST is not action+effects extravaganza, I personally think that there could be a better solution after nemesis. we had the resources… instead, we blew up the old universe (wan’t creativity there for inventing solutions, howcome we got rid of the past with such a weak story??) and got ourselves 90210 in space!

34. Clinton - November 16, 2011

Great news! Thanks, Anthony. Good to hear from you! :-)

35. Khan 2.0 - November 16, 2011

Hawaii for a jungle planet ? thats what they did for Predators and some of the jungles scenes in Burtons Planet of the Apes.

been reading Khan Ruling in Hell and Ceti Alpha V pre-destruction is a jungle planet…hmmm

36. Garak - November 16, 2011

Hi, Anthony. it’s good seeing you again giving us informations.
Jungle Planet? Klingons are good hunters.

37. Admiral_Bumblebee - November 16, 2011

So, is William Shatner in or not? ;)

38. Bamasi - November 16, 2011

I agree with Khan 2.0 – Ceti Alpha V it is. I’m guessing Spock Prime told Kirk he’d better check on Khan’s progress.

If the story starts with Khan already on Ceti Alpha and Kirk checking in on him, then Khan deciding he’s had enough of Ceti Alpha and it’s time to take Kirk’s ship again . . . well, I could live with that.

39. Lt. Dakin - November 16, 2011

The Getty Center would make a fantastic Star Trek location. Although having been to Northrup Grumann (formerly TRW) it would be great if they used that again.

40. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 16, 2011

Oh bummer. So it is not certain that Benicio Del Toro will be in the sequel yet? I had him all ready to be Kang, Klingon commander, who goes after the precious minerals in a remote part of Menosia only to find…

The forests of Hawaii do not look unlike the forests (colloq. bush) of NZ, except no snakes!

My impression of the Klingon planet is that it is not unlike Vulcan, ie hot and dry for the most part, but I guess it could have jungles there as well. Earth has both deserts and jungles. I would prefer that this Hawaiian location represented a whole new planet, one like Menosia, but that’s just me.

Why is everyone wanting to go back over old ground, with Khan and so on? Hopefully, Bob, Alex and Damon have a bigger, better, more imaginative and ORIGINAL story to tell, than bothering with the likes of Khan. Prime universe stuff – been there, done that.

41. CaptRobau - November 16, 2011

29. ripleyaeryn

ILM did FX for:

Wrath of Khan
Search for Spock
The Voyage Home
TNG’s Encounter at Farpoint
The Undiscovered Country
TNG’s All Good Things
First Contact
VOY’s Scorpion

ILM is as much Trek (and Jurassic Park, etc.) as it is Star Wars.

42. Kenneth Of Borg - November 16, 2011

Hawaii? Hope the bad guys are not The Others,

43. Garak - November 16, 2011

Please Abrams, moon of Endor, NO! kkkkkkkkkk

44. Hugh Hoyland - November 16, 2011

Khan is a sure bet as far as box office goes, and honestly thats why their making this movie, to make money.

Now the question is can they make Khan (or whoever) cool and original again? I trust these guys, they know how to write. So I’m excited about it either way! :]

45. Tiberius Subprime - November 16, 2011

@38

Kirk couldn’t check in on Khan because Kirk has not yet sent him there.
He has not met Khan yet.

However, if they begin the new film with a reference to an adventure we have not seen, then they could get away with it. But it would be a really piss-poor way to start a story.

Unless someone else had come across Khan and sent him there, or the Botany Bay got there by itself and crashed there.
But still, that is a piss-poor way to give us a good sequel. Not very inspiring.

But I am coming to the rather unfortunant conclusion that we may be getting Khan again.

If so, to make it interesting, they better have a secondary villian who is competing with Khan for similar ends.

If we are going to have a villian from the TOS timeline, then I’d rather have the Telosians. They could do some serious mind-bending stuff and it would make for a very interesting film–if written well.

Ho, hum…..

46. Tiberius Subprime - November 16, 2011

Having said that, Khan could work if they really did a god job of making it original.

47. Captain Hackett - November 16, 2011

It is so good to see you here again, Anthony! We miss you!

48. Weerd1 - November 16, 2011

@44 Making money is why ALL Star Trek was made. It just happened to transcend it’s intent.

@33 I have to respectfully disagree. I have spoken to no less than a dozen people who have gone back to watch TOS because of the 2009 film, and even had a rather in depth discussion in the toy section of Wal-Mart with a 12 year old telling me what a jerk Pike was because he had to have been on the Kelvin and ran. The issue is not about new people brought in by the film, it is about Paramount and CBS failing to market the movie in nearly any way. Cancelled novels, a new tech manual which only covered the Prime universe. Several new toy lines, all based on the original property. I was begging to throw money at them over this film, and all I got was the substandard Playmates toy line and a Hallmark ornament. WHY IS THERE STILL NO VIABLE KELVIN MODEL OR TOY ON THE MARKET??!!

49. Gibnerd - November 16, 2011

THANK YOU!

LONG LIVE TREK MOVIE!

50. VZX - November 16, 2011

I hope the “bigger in scope” description means no Khan, since he really wasn’t a big deal in the grand scheme of the galaxy, just a thorn in Kirk’s side.

I wonder if “jungle planet” means Risa. That’d be cool…

51. Garak - November 16, 2011

Many people bet on Ceti Alpha V, Khan, but I think we’ll be sure if Khan will appear after the last edition of the comic star trek ongoing

52. Do You Wanna Dance - November 16, 2011

Bob Orci and the TPTB, if you reallllly want to make it a movie for the fans, CAN I PROPOSE A TREKMOVIE.COM CONTEST?

Several winner(s) will make cameo appearances in the movie, with one of the winners given one line to utter onscreen.

From a TrekMovie.com fan’s point of view, the icing on the cake of the 2009 movie, in my opinion, were the cameos of the late Randy Pausch and Phase II’s very own James Cawley.

I would have love to win the opportunity to fly out onto the set, meet the cast and crew, don a uniform or costume, maybe even possibly say something like, “Aye, sir” on camera, and have my name scroll in the credits.

Not like it needs it, but this would be a great promotion and buzz for the website and the film itself.

53. Garak - November 16, 2011

could anybody explain what “3rd draft” means? Three different stories or three different endings?

54. somethoughts - November 16, 2011

Sexy, thanks anthony for the update!

55. Harry Seldom - November 16, 2011

@38, re: Kahn…

It’s been a few years, we’ve met and banished Kahn and company. Spock Prime has warned Kirk about Ceti Alpha 6, who save’s the whole lot of ‘em (including Kahn’s wife). Now we have a whole different story.

If *I* can come up with that, I certainly hope the writing team can do a LOT better.

That said, I would be concerned about a Kahn story. I would prefer something entirely new.

– Harry

56. Craiger - November 16, 2011

Finally a new article but will Trekmovie go on another month break again? I am not trusting Trekmovie for my source for everything new in Trek anymore.

57. rm10019 - November 16, 2011

Great article Anthony, thanks again! Fun hints at a jungle planet, something a little different from the sand planets and ice planets done of late!

Really looking forward to any more updates, and all my best to Bob Orci and the production team. I know you will do your best to make Trek live on.

58. Nony - November 16, 2011

Lookin’ good! Thanks for the update :)

Jungles are always fun settings. Lots of foliage for nefarious and bloodthirsty critters to pop out of.

59. AJ - November 16, 2011

“Jurassic Park” is a great example of how great a location Hawaii is with a proper budget.

Spielberg did some great work on Kauai. I got to fly over some of those waterfalls years ago in a helicopter, and it ranks with the most beautiful and awe-inspiring places I’ve ever seen (seen a few). The volcanoes are awe-inspiring as well.

60. bmar - November 16, 2011

@53: Garak re: third draft

Third Draft just means it’s the third version of the same script. Scripts go through multiple drafts before they are shot…scenes re-written, new scenes added, some scenes dropped, dialogue changed, etc. Usually a new draft doesn’t mean they are starting from scratch and re-writing the whole thing – although that has happened in the past.

Scripts change right up until the moment the film is finished. Even once there is a “final shooting script” changes occur daily – with new pages being handed out to the cast and crew on different color paper so they can keep track of the revisions.

Even in post-production, things aren’t immune from change – dialogue can be re-written and inserted through ADR, and re-shoots are not uncommon either.

Filmmaking is a fluid business, much more than people usually realize.

61. rm10019 - November 16, 2011

53- It’s the 3rd pass at the same basic script. Things change, lines come and go, whole scenes come and go, but the same major beats remain.

62. rm10019 - November 16, 2011

lol, yeah, what 60- bmar said :)

63. falcon - November 16, 2011

@53 – drafts are simply revisions of the original script. A third draft is not unheard of in Hollywood. I bet they’re into draft 27 by the time they begin filming, and they’ll be doing rewrites on the set.

As to the location scouting – a jungle planet? Meh. Unless it’s early in the adventure, an exploration to a “strange new world” (that looks like Hawaii? Meh) and an opportunity for Kirk to lose his first redshirt, it’s not really breaking any new ground.

In order to truly be “groundbreaking,” Trek needs to get away from the formula that, admittedly, has made it successful for over 45 years. Ditch the hero/villain dynamic in favor of something that makes moviegoers THINK!

64. Khan 2.0 - November 16, 2011

maybe they could call the sequel Star Trek: Aloha from Hawaii

65. Khan 2.0 - November 16, 2011

wasnt parts of Avatar filmed in Hawaii too?

although it may have been greenscreen

just looked on wiki and heres a list of Hawaii shot films:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Films_shot_in_Hawaii

66. Khan 2.0 - November 16, 2011

@33 – “and got ourselves 90210 in space!”

ive always prefered ‘Star Trek: Babies’ to the 90210 thing

67. chrisfawkes.com - November 16, 2011

I’m looking forward to this film. Can’t wait for set pics to leak now.

68. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 16, 2011

#56 Yes, Craiger, it probably will because not much will be happening that they can tell us about between now and the beginning of filming. Of course, we might be able get pictures of Zachary Quinto getting his bushy eyebrows shaved and plucked. Isn’t that supposed to be happening about now? If we see Quinto looking more like a Vulcan, then we will feel like things are really starting to come together…

In December Zach is supposed to be making a short film about animal shelters and in particular homeless dogs in order to raise awareness, money and to encourage people to adopt a dog. I wonder if he will be in front of the camera or just doing narration. C’mon, Spock…oops I mean, Zach, don’t be shy now, …:)!

@ Anthony Pascale – Yes, thanks for the article. I really did think you could be getting a chance to play a Klingon or someone like that. Is it possible? Bob Orci? JJ Abrams? I have seen a photograph of you and I think you would make a great looking Klingon. That is a compliment, btw.

69. Janice - November 16, 2011

Glad to read some new ST Sequel news.
As for the returning cast—I’d just like to know if PIKE will be there. I hope he is.
That’s my main interest.

70. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 16, 2011

#63 – “Ditch the hero/villain dynamic in favor of something that makes moviegoers THINK!”

What has this got to do with some of the movie being filmed in a jungle like setting? Presumably the Enterprise will be exploring new planets, so why not one that looks a bit like Hawaii? Perhaps this might be the new home that prime Spock has managed to find for the surviving Vulcans. However, if it is anything like most heavily forested areas on Earth, it could be a very hot and HUMID place. I’m not sure Vulcans could cope with a lot of humidity.

My story is set in a similar location and there are no real villains, except for a few Klingons, but they are minor annoyances… well, most of the time.

71. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 16, 2011

I don’t know, Janice. I hope Pike (Bruce Greenwood) is back. I have him in my own story though, if that is any comfort. I want to have my own super 8 back where they should be – on that Paramount lot filming my new Star Trek.

72. Admiral Kent - November 16, 2011

I wonder if they’ll change the uniforms for the new movie…since with Pike’s uniform at the end of the last film they were bridging the gap between TOS and TMP. It would be cool to see a hybrid of the TMP uniforms incorporating TOS colors.

73. Garak - November 16, 2011

Thanks guys.

74. VZX - November 16, 2011

71: Oh man, I hope not! The basic uniforms they used were perfect! One the best things about the 09 film! The Pike/TMP uniform he wore in the wheelchair was OK, but I hope it’s not what they will use.

Please use the same uniforms!

75. trekker 5 - November 16, 2011

Dude I’m sooo freakin’ out right now!!!! :) :) :) :) This is so awesome!! My day? Yeah. It’s so made!!!! Thank you Anthony!! :) :) :)

76. Paul - November 16, 2011

Good omen for this movie is its my birthday on 15 Jan & I have been a ST fan since the early 1970’s of TOS so this will rock!!!!!

I trust the powers that be behind ST09 will have enough time/money to bring more of the same that made ST09 so good but think the script tweaking will help & Paramount will want to ensure this appeals to the global audience more as ST09 did not do as well outside N America so expect some well known actor(s) or higher production values.

77. Thorny - November 16, 2011

I hope the theory that we are getting Khan again is wrong.

I don’t think the “jungle planet” is supposed to be Ceti Alpha V, which probably wouldn’t show up until the end of the movie (after Kirk wins and consigns Khan to Ceti Alpha V.) That’s a lot of trouble to go to for the closing scene of a movie. There never has been any indication Ceti Alpha V was a jungle world, anyway. I always had the impression it was more likely a desert planet, something about TWOK’s depiction of it after only 15 years, I guess.

Regardless, it is reassuring that the budget is high enough that they’ll do some location shots for a “jungle planet” instead of putting some potted plants and paper mache rocks around the stage and calling it “Genesis” like in TSFS. I just hope they don’t visit that planet in Shuttlecraft 815!

A museum as a ‘famous Star Trek location”? All I can think of is Memory Alpha.

78. Joel - November 16, 2011

I’m still not convinced that Khan will be a focal point in the film. It’s too easy and doesn’t seem like a real challenge for the folks involved. I somehow doubt that Trek fans like Orci and Lindelof would want to remake or tie this Star Trek 2 into Star Trek II. Maybe I’m wrong…

Anyways, great to see some news. Excited to read up on production once it commences in January.

79. Trekkiesincebirth - November 16, 2011

I also want to have a job, where everyone is happy, when I think about to begin with my work next year… but, well, after all they want to begin. hooray!

80. Scott - November 16, 2011

This is cool!! It has been a long time since the last movie. I will be looking forward to the next installment of Star Trek!! I hope it’s as good as the last movie.

81. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - November 16, 2011

I know one thing. Bob Orci said he wont give us any kind of hints as we all here are not dumb enough and that we would figure it out. Well. Hate to say it. he is right.
But Bob. As I said. we can be really good at playing dumb. We really can.
Example. In Tos Capt John Christapher call sign was Maverick. See.

82. CJS - November 16, 2011

It’s a remake of Obsession and they have to go to Hawaii to hire the Smoke Monster from Lost to play the dikironium cloud creature. The just have to dye it white.

83. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - November 16, 2011

#81. Close. It will be The Lights of Zetar. Memory Alpha is once again in big Trouble.

84. Leen - November 16, 2011

I know what the story is going to be:

It takes place on Risa. Kirk, McCoy, Scotty and Spock are having a bachelor party for Spock. They wake up the next morning, not remembering anything, and Spock is gone. The whole movie follows them retracing their steps and getting into crazy situations, including McCoy marrying a stripper and performing surgery on himself, and all of them stealing a prized Sehlat from a wealthy individual.

Meanwhile, Chekov and Sulu are stoned out of their minds and on a quest to find a specific fast food place while having similar crazy adventures.

Yup, that’s definitely what’s going to happen.

85. Garak - November 16, 2011

Hawaii has different landscapes. beaches, forests, volcanoes, coral reefs, Abrams could use for various scenarios. It could be a alien planet never seen before in star trek.

86. SciFiJunky - November 16, 2011

Hawaii for location shooting? Perhaps we will get a big screen adaptation of the third season gem “This Way to Eden.” Can I dare hold a sliver of hope that I could see a drugged out Benicio Del Toro as Adam calling Chris Pine’s Kirk “Herbert” while trying to seduce the rest of the crew with his space hippy ways? We are one. I reach, brother. I reach.

87. Starfleet's Finest - November 16, 2011

Ok, now that I got that out of the way…

So thrilled to hear that things are getting hammered out and set in motion. Anthony, you’re awesome! Thanks for the update!! Can’t wait to see/read what happenes next!!

Ugh! I am just so excited!!!!

88. Gary S. - November 16, 2011

Thanks Anthony.
Well Done.

89. Johnson 12 - November 16, 2011

“new roles” and “bigger in scope”. Sounds promising. I’m cautiously hopeful.

90. Anthony Thompson - November 16, 2011

LA museum? Since Chambliss demonstrated an interest in organic architecture in the last film (using a church by E. Fay Jones, a home by Ken Kellogg and some riffs on Santiago Calatrava’s work) I’m going to predict that he’s going to use the Japanese Art Pavilion at the LA County Museum of Art, designed by Bruce Goff and Bart Prince.

91. Gary Makin - November 16, 2011

Four years since they shot the first one. Wow.

92. Dr. Image - November 16, 2011

About damn time.
(Redesign wisely, please!)

93. MattR - November 16, 2011

The “famous” location could be the United Federation of Planets building or Starfleet HQ. Since all of the Trek locations they showed last time were Starfleet Academy-related, except for possibly the shuttlecraft port, they haven’t shown HQ or the UFP building they showed in a bunch of the movies as that big exterior shot.

94. Anthony Thompson - November 16, 2011

If he wants a minimalist look instead of organic arch., he’ll probably go with the Getty. Spectacular site, lots of possible angles, etc.

95. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - November 16, 2011

Building new sets. Great. New Engineering would be the one set they have to build.

96. Old Trekker - November 16, 2011

Another JJ’s crap… just like ST 2009. Did the Prophets have abandoned us?

I want Berman and Braga back (and Denise&Mike Okuda, Rick Sternbach, Manny Coto, Ihra Behr, JeriTaylor, Mike Sussman, Judith&Garfield Reeves-Stevens and others from ST old staff) . I want three seasons of ST: Enterprise (you know: the 5th, 6th and 7th) or/and new ST series in old good style and climate.

97. sunspot - November 16, 2011

Hmmm?

A jungle planet and an LA museum.

Perhapps the LA Museum of Art as a futuristic building on a jungle planet…

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-lUkvflZc0os/TlwvhiCLKSI/AAAAAAAABc8/KpzxxWFMO0Y/s1600/1108_DC_LACMA_096.jpg

98. VOODOO - November 16, 2011

Cool!

99. Rhett Coates - November 16, 2011

7. Vulcan Soul – November 16, 2011
“Bigger in scope” huh? That means this film’s baddie will threaten to blow up the entire galaxy? ;)

Often times in the best literary works (sequels included), “bigger in scope” [than the previous installment] can easily mean something far more “important” to specific characters (or character), and this could mean that this story will have a far greater impact on the people aboard the Enterprise and/or whomever they are dealing with in the storyline. Sure, it can also mean larger in scope from a visual and spectacle standpoint, but I’m wagering that Orci & Co. have come up with a story that provides a lot of “meat to chew on” from a CHARACTER perspective, which is what most actors and actresses like when being cast in a film project.

With a STAR TREK story, think back to any of the “larger in scope” episodes of TOS, TAS (yes, there were some of those!), TNG, DS9, VGR and ENT which really stood out — and try not to focus exclusively on the “spectacle” angle of science fiction (like V’GER seemed to be in the first movie — although the Director’s Remake of “ST:The Motion Picture” was simply terrific compared to the slower way the original version was released). Having said all that, since there are ST fans writing this film (yippe!) who also have good writing projects under their collective belt from other media [T.V.] and in other franchises, Orci could very well be indicating that this story will be larger in scope on ALL FRONTS — which is great news in anyone’s expectations — including the studio producing the picture (Paramount).

WARP SPEED, Orci & Co., and “May The Wind Be At Your Backs.” You all know we’re with you.

100. SirBroiler - November 16, 2011

There aren’t a lot of “famous Star Trek locations” that I can think of. But one that I hope is the home planet of “The Gurardian of Forever.” I am still convinced that Spock will go to extreme measures in hopes of saving Vulcan – even if it means risking temporal incursion to go back in time to repair the past. What better TOS way of doing it than hopping through the Guardian?

Oh and what would Khan do with the power of the Guardian?

Come on 2013.

101. Buzz Cagney - November 16, 2011

100! great news, glad to hear things are rolling.
Have a great time, Bob and Co. and knock it out of the park.

102. Dr. Cheis - November 16, 2011

Museum? The Cetacean Institute perhaps?

103. captain_neill - November 16, 2011

I am looking forward to the next movie, nice to see progress is finally being made.

Still terrified they are going to rehash Khan due to lack of fresh ideas but I hope they prove me wrong on this.

104. Rusty0918 - November 16, 2011

Uh, the Guardian of Forever planet was barren. I don’t think that would work.

I hope, like most, that they don’t go all Michael Bay in the sequel.

105. MONGO - November 16, 2011

Mongo wonder why always be “Ice Planet” or “Jungle Planet” or “Desert Planet”? How can whole planet have one ecosystem? Class M planet have diverse ecosystem. Maybe you have planet that have different gravity or atmosphere and that what make alien different. But hard for diversity of life to exist on planet where condition same between equator and poles. Mongo not too smart but not even think that possible.

Mongo happy that Anthony mans back. He should not go. Mongo happy that Trek movie films actually be made. Wish didn’t take so long.

106. trekprincess - November 16, 2011

great to see process is being made on the Star Trek sequel, I’m looking forward to it :)

107. Dee - lvs moon' surface - November 16, 2011

THANKS AP!!!… Welcome to the Jungle!… :-) :-)

108. rm10019 - November 16, 2011

Well that isn’t going to get tired fast….

109. Odkin - November 16, 2011

“New roles” and “bigger in scope” are both BAD signs.

A Trek story needs 4 characters – Kirk, Spock, McCoy, and Scotty. Everyone else just works there. Even a villain character is optional – See “Naked Time”.

Instead we’ll get an insipid ensemble story, where everyone jockeys for a “moment”, plus probably several villains (the better to sell toys).

Any question what “Bigger in scope” means to JarJar Abrams and the studio idiots? Tons of planets, galactic threats, more monster aliens, more ships, more shooting, lots of yelling. Everything Star Trek shouldn’t be.

Pretty sad when a “locked room” story like “12 Angry Men” has more human drama, suspense, and excitement than a modern movie.

110. Cygnus-X1 - November 16, 2011

Alright, now we’re cookin’ with gas.

I’m looking forward to seeing the photos of the cast and Benicio del Toro wearing those robes to cover up their costumes.

111. Khan 2.0 - November 16, 2011

Star Trek 2: Welcome to the Jungle

112. rm10019 - November 16, 2011

108 – You should read Gene’s original and TNG writer’s guides. I believe line ONE is…. “First and foremost Star Trek is action adventure storytelling…” THEN comes the morality play aspect. Trek is not and was never sold as 12 Angry Men in space. Period.

113. Khan 2.0 - November 16, 2011

I want to see Kirk swinging with some monkeys in the sequel

114. Trekker38 - November 16, 2011

Guys, get a grip. You’re compaining about the new movie already? If you don’t like Trek, don’t be a fan. Plain & Simple. The confounded drama and complaining about something we’ve wanted for eons (Mainstream Trek) is ridiculous. I am personally glad Trek is back, for a long time.

115. Jay - November 16, 2011

#33 I am an old Star Trek fan and couldn’t disagree with you more. Not one thing you said I agree with.

2009 was Star Trek in almost every sense of the franchise.

Star Trek has always had alot of action and effects. Almost every episode of TOS was trying to push the current TV effects as far as they could given the budgetary constraints. Each new movie with the original cast tried to do the same.

Not sure what planet you are from when you say things that are so obviously not true.

The story was a great and very creative story that was essential to brining Star Trek back with the original characters. There was no other possible way to do Star Trek with the original characters than to do an alternate timeline because we all already know the crew’s fate in the original timeline.

116. Desstruxion - November 16, 2011

Since a movie hasn’t been released since 2009, I think a complete reboot of the franchise is in order. Don’t know why anyone hasn’t thought of that before.

117. Odkin - November 16, 2011

@111

I actually have no issue with “action adventure storytelling”. I certainly don’t think TNG lived up to that. To my point, Trek is NOT an ensemble show. It is a HERO show. Kirk is the hero. Spock, McCoy and Scotty are his helpers. Everyone else just needs to say “Yes, Captain”.

But Nu-Trek won’t be that. Action-Adventure will be misinterpreted as ‘splosiony mayhem with quick cuts replacing drama. Kirk-as-hero will be replaced with an ensemble story with everyone an equal co-star.

As far as effects, I don’t care if Trek is produced as a puppet show, as long as the story and characters are right.

118. Phil - November 16, 2011

Hawaii could mean volcano’s, boys and girls. A bit more dramatic then a fistfight on the San Andreas fault, by far….

119. Phil - November 16, 2011

Eight weeks, less three for the holidays? The permitting process to shoot movies at some locations takes longer then that. That’s a lot of work in such a short amount of time. Somethings not right here…..

120. Samuel John Klein - November 16, 2011

Waiting this long for a second Trek 2.0 movie isn’t so bad.

I just hope we don’t have to wait 20-30 years for the prequel trilogy.

121. rm10019 - November 16, 2011

116 – Ok, that I can agree with, and I wish JJ Trek had ended with the crew saving Nero (not just asking him if he wanted saving) but aside from that, I think the writers, esp our friend Bob, have a really firm grasp on what makes a) a good Trek film and b) just as importantly what makes a successful commercial modern film.

Trek has evolved into an ensemble though. I know what you are saying, but like IDIC, i think giving the the other four characters a little more depth can only help enrich JJ Trek.

Our characters are all assembled now, and now they can have fun writing big budget, action adventure and yes, thoughtful movies about them!

122. Red Dead Ryan - November 16, 2011

(sings)

“Welcome to the jungle! We’ve got fun and games!”

123. John from Cincinnati - November 16, 2011

I think the museum is the California Science Center and the famous location is Starbase 11 (The Menagerie)

124. NuFan - November 16, 2011

I’m sure if the old crap deserves to be remembered, it will be. But that kind of thing has to be earned. Constantly trying to shove it down our throats will make us dislike it even more.

As for modern Star Trek starting on 01/15/12, I say YAAAAAAAAY!!!!!

125. John from Cincinnati - November 16, 2011

Hawaii could be the location of someone’s “illusion” while on Talos IV……

126. FarStrider - November 16, 2011

@116 All I can say is that I’m glad that you are not in charge of any storytelling that *I’m* going to go see. . .Go watch TOS if that’s all you want from your stories. . . Storytelling has changed, and Trek needed to change with it or die. . . go ‘splosions!

~FS

127. VZX - November 16, 2011

99: Whoa. The Guardian of Forever would just be too awesome. They couldn’t do that, it would push the boundaries of awesome-ness. Peoples’ heads would explode. No, the film-makers would not allow such epic awesomeness to exist.

128. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 16, 2011

So I assume that “Old roles” and “smaller in scope” would both be GOOD signs. Also no planets, no threats, invisible monsters, one ship, less shooting and a lots of whispering would be the way to go. Everything Star Trek should be, totally male centered. Only storks need apply.
Star Trek: What was that you said? I can’t hear you. What?
:-)

129. jdm - November 16, 2011

News of TREK 2’s impending production excites me to no end – I, too, was skeptical about the 2009 film, but had absolutely embraced it by the time the USS Kelvin prologue had ended – an incredible and incredibly emotional, moving sequence, by the way.

I think it’s kind of sad that this is one of the few franchises in which so many fans actually WANT the “same-old, same-old” from their material. I can see why Abrams’ approach is still controversial to some, but as Jay says above, how else could they have done it? And, thinking logically, what other characters could they have used in a new Star Trek movie? The TNG cast has clearly moved on and it’s too soon to recast them, anyway (another decade, at least). The soapy, ongoing arc that was the DS9 series – as well as its static locale – never quite lent itself to a STAR TREK “feature” that could be expected to really succeed, anyway, besides the fact that the series eventually did come full circle, run its course and actually killed off two or more of its characters, including its captain played by Avery Brooks (in a way, I think – I don’t remember specifically how, just that I think he undergoes some sort of transformation akin to death in the finale). That leaves VOYAGER and ENTERPRISE, neither of which were popular enough to warrant feature-izing.

As for this upcoming movie, my guess is they’re going to center it around one long “away mission.” That museum locale could be anything, but I can’t help thinking of the Squire of Gothos or even The Menagerie. They did say, a year or so back, that the film would feature a prominent character/villain from Season 1. The Museum could be the home of the Squire while the Hawaiian location could be the planet’s terrain.
The Squire does turn Kirk and Sulu into still figures for display temporarily.

To the scheduling – even though a release date has not been reset, it’s highly conceivable that Paramount could be aiming to get this into theaters by November, maybe December 2012 at the latest. Bumping up the 2009 film by six months was one thing – nobody knew what to anticipate. This, I think, is a different situation. Given it’s already been delayed, I don’t think delaying it further to take advantage of the summer season (2013, in this case) would work to their advantage.

130. John from Cincinnati - November 16, 2011

Star Trek can’t do anything anymore regarding the Guardian of Forever. Harlan Ellison’s lawsuits have assured that.

131. denny cranium - November 16, 2011

@33. While Trek 09 went “clunk” in a few place to progress the story I think they nailed the essence of Trek in a fresh way.

Paramount probably said to JJ and crew- “If we only cater to the Trekkies/Trekkers we may have a repeat of Nemesis. Great story but we made no money. Please come up with a film that satisfies the Trekkies/Trekkers but PLEASE get more bums in the seats of the theatre so we can make money and make more films.”JJ and crew obviously succeeded as Trek made dumptrucks full of money

Abrams was quoted saying that Berman and co were only interested in maintaining the current fan base.

I remember sitting in the theatre saying to myself “Please don’t suck,please don’t suck” or I would have seen my LAST Trek movie for a long time
It didn’t suck- it fired on all cylinders quite well.

132. Red Dead Ryan - November 16, 2011

#117.

“Hawaii could mean volcano’s, boys and girls.”

Yeah, and just imagine, Khan using an extinct volcano as his personal lair. A perfect place for him to “blow his top off”!

Another possibility for the Hawaii location is to give the film a “Raiders Of The Lost Ark” feel, especially if the sequel involves the pursuit of an acient, powerful artifact that, in the wrong hands, could endanger the Federation.

133. denny cranium - November 16, 2011

And I wouldn’t mind seeing Khan or Khan like inspired story.
Khan pushed Kirk beyond his limits in TWOK and Kirk evolved as a character.Having a human villain would be a welcome change.
It’s been 30 years since TWOK- if its done right I don’t see why it wouldn’t succeed again.

134. FarStrider - November 16, 2011

126. I think Harlan Ellison would have a little something to say about using the Guardian of Forever onscreen. . . and Paramount will probably not want to go there. . . just a thought. . .

~FS

135. RedSeven - November 16, 2011

Could the Jungle Planet be the Genesis Planet?

136. Rusty0918 - November 16, 2011

#114 – Creative? Stealing Wrath of Khan elements? Kirk not showing real signs of maturing? Cadet-to-captain promotion? I’m not saying it was bad, but…

I’m not against action/adventure either, as long as it doesn’t degrade to Michael Bay standards – such as an infamous sequel to a movie he did about robots based on a popular series of toys.

As with the jungle planet, i’d place my money on Ceti Alpha V. Hope Spock Prime didn’t relocate the Vulcans there though.

Larger scope could be a good thing. I mean, frankly, the sequel should deal with how the Federation handles the loss of Vulcan. I could see a LOT of chaos coming from it. I mean there’s so much to tell about what could happen. Dictatorship Federation? Revolts? Infighting? Riots? You name it. And that would be a huge scope in its own right.

I know some say action is a bad thing, but let me give you one of the sacred pieces of Sci-fi, the Babylon 5 episode “Severed Dreams” was packed with it, and was extremely dramatic and got a Hugo Award.

It will probably have lots of it, but that’s not the problem. The problem is of course is this going to be a “leave your brain at the door deal?” Does Kirk mature? Or is he still a whiny piss-ant Mary Sue?

As with the ensemble, I don’t really have a problem with it either. Heck, I even vouched for a female chief of security to join the fray.

The problem in some areas here is the “polarization” of viewpoints, that one has to be in one area or the other.

That being said, what do we get for the sequel?

137. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 16, 2011

#119 – I read that they would be tied up with filming etc for the first half of next year, so there would be time to get permits to do filming in locations like Hawaii. Filming is likely to begin at Paramount studios in Los Angeles anyway. Shows like Hawaii Five-0 are already being filmed there.

138. Red Dead Ryan - November 16, 2011

Well, if they were to use the Guardian of Forever, they could get Harlan Ellison to star as the creator who goes berserk when the crew of the Enterprise try to use it!

139. MJ - November 16, 2011

“LA Museum” — has the be the Getty Center!

140. Bird Of Prey - November 16, 2011

When I read “Hawaii”, my first thought was “Risa”! ;-D

141. Anthony Thompson - November 16, 2011

129. John

That’s EXACTLY why they should have hired Harlan as a co-writer (whch he had expressed an interest in).

142. Anthony Thompson - November 16, 2011

116. Odkin

Disagree. The ensemble work was one of the strengths of the ’09 movie. I enjoyed seeing the collaboration and problem-solving on the bridge. Let’s have more of that!

143. MONGO - November 16, 2011

Maybe they film in museum for “Museum Planet”.

144. MONGO - November 16, 2011

Maybe they not want Hawaii for tropical jungle location. Maybe they turn camera around and film ocean for “Surf Planet”.

145. Commodore Adams - November 16, 2011

Great news, can’t wait to hear if DelToro is taking on a roll. Honestly this little bit of info was all I and many fans were looking for. This is enough to tide me over until the new year. To hear the design work is done, FX are being put together, all I wanted to hear.

146. FarStrider - November 16, 2011

140. But the writers have already said no more time travel. . . and most fans are tired of that trope anyway. . .

~FS

147. Gordon Ramsey's knife - November 16, 2011

116…is right…140 is not

148. RedSeven - November 16, 2011

Could the museum be a set for Space Station K7 or Space Station Regula 1

149. Rusty0918 - November 16, 2011

#140 Harlan was never interested in doing anything for the sequel. That rumor was debunked a long time ago.

150. Captain Hackett - November 16, 2011

Be prepared for pictures and video clips from spies. ;)

151. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 16, 2011

Maybe they want to film in Hawaii because part of the story actually takes place in Hawaii! A flashback scene that Kirk has of doing a survival course in a jungle like environment as a 20 year old. He does it well, thus earning him some of those high scores on the aptitude tests. You know, giving some more background to the James Kirk character.

152. Chris Doohan - November 16, 2011

Bob,

Need a red shirt in Hawaii? I think I could work it into my schedule. :)

153. Rusty0918 - November 16, 2011

#129

I’m not against Trek going in new directions. Heck, I vouched for a female chief of security for the Enterprise (as opposed to wenches like Yeoman Rand and Nurse Chapel). But me, like Vultan, Neill, etc., we don’t want to see it turn into something vile, mindless, and putrid, like I said, according to someone on an earlier post, 400 times.

Heck, most people don’t want rehashes of classic stuff. And I agree.

154. Vultan - November 16, 2011

STAR TREK! The cure for common television.

Well, here’s hoping it happens sooner rather than later.

155. Khan 2.0 - November 16, 2011

@134 – indeed, i even feel abit apprehentive about even mentioning the Guardian of Forever on threads like these for fear of having my ass sued off by Harlan

156. Adolescent Nightmare - November 16, 2011

33.
I am a new fan, beeyotch. The last movie was a flop? Just for that I shall shout one more

Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

157. Craiger - November 16, 2011

I wonder if they’ll have Pine say Khaaaaaaannnnnn!!!!!!!! If he is the villian in the sequel and maybe Carol Marcus in the sequel? I say cast Erica Durance as Carol Marcus.

158. Horatio - November 16, 2011

Hawaii, huh? Trek visits the forest moon of Endor?

159. Craiger - November 16, 2011

I wonder if Hawaii will be the Klingon home planet or if the Enterprise will find Khan and his people their and not on a ship if Khan is the villian?

160. Geonosis - November 16, 2011

I predict that the next film will be based on Khan. Spock prime warns the enterprise crew of his existence. Khan prime is dead, so there will be no Ceti alpha Vi, or genesis storyline. Once they run into Khan, it’s all new from there.

161. CFKane - November 16, 2011

Long time lurker, first time responder. This is just me thinking out loud, but bare with me:

According to a rumor from last year Trelane was mentioned as a possible villain along with Harry Mudd, the Talosians, or Gary Mitchell. IF it is Trelane it would make the most sense.

His “location” is itself a museum to Earth’s history and wasn’t Trelane’s planet a jungle surface when provided an oxygen atmosphere? Not sure if Benecio Del Toro fits the casting criteria for Trelane, but these locations certainly point to him in my mind.

And if the scope is “bigger” than I can think of no greater character than Trelane to expand the scope and travel the galaxy. And it would be a creative villain never seen on the big screen – unlike Khan.

162. MONGO - November 16, 2011

Mongo think that brewgeneering section may be segue to whole new planet:

“Beer Planet”!

Mongo think that good idea.

163. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 16, 2011

#157 – “I wonder if they’ll have Pine say Khaaaaaaannnnnn!!!!!!!! If he is the villian in the sequel and maybe Carol Marcus in the sequel? I say cast Erica Durance as Carol Marcus.”

Now you’re thinking. Harry Ballz will be able to do unto Erica Durance as I have always wanted to do unto Carol Marcus. You see, for some reason, Harry can’t stand Erica Durance. Not quite sure what Erica has done exactly but there you go. I know exactly what Carol Marcus did and I cannot stand the bitch. Carol broke Kirk’s heart. She pretty much stole his son from him. Carol, “I wanted him in my world”. Kirk, “I did what you asked. I stayed away”. Carol did not even tell David who his father was. She lied to her own son. BITCH. No one does that to “my captain”!

164. Rusty0918 - November 16, 2011

#161 – There are too many unknowns to tell. Also I know it can’t be Gary Mitchell because he was in the “Star Trek: Ongoing” comics already. I do like your insight about the “scope” and the baddie being Trelane, as long as it isn’t a total remake of “Squire of Gothos.”

Although I still say the chances favor Khan more. He could sell more. Which again isn’t a bad thing as long as they approach Khan from a different angle. It’s predictable yes, but in today’s Hollywood world…what do you expect from an industry that’s now remaking a CGI version of Dr. Seuss’s “The Lorax?”

Trelane would be a more fitting choice though. You could do a lot with him. Maybe he grows up. There’s really honestly no way to tell. Perhaps both Kirk and Trelane get character growth out of this.

165. Craiger - November 16, 2011

People keep forgetting the viilian has to be one that the general audience has heard of. Most know about Khan and the Klingons.

166. Jay - November 16, 2011

I for one hope that if Khan is in the movie it is a small role. Something that maybe hints at a future story line.

I would like for this movie to focus on something new. A new villain.

I’m sure it will be great whatever the story. I like hearing them say this will be bigger in scope than the first one. I loved the 2009 Trek and when it was over the only thing I was thinking was that I wished they could go further and deeper.

In the 2009 Trek the villain was really secondary to the story of the original crew coming together and introducing them to the audience along with back stories, etc.

This movie will be able to focus solely on the adventure/threat and I’m looking forward to that.

I only ask that it be something new that we have not seen before.

167. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 16, 2011

Why are so many people so fixated on the villain being Khan and if Del Toro does sign on, he will be playing Khan? As Jai has noted, they should probably be looking for the right Indian actor to play the Khan character anyway. I thought that the “Supreme Court” had decided not to have Khan or the Borg in this sequel.

I am so tired of reading about Khan, bloody Khan. I suspect that many of you have watched TWOK a lot more than I have and on a nice big plasma/? screens and yet you still want to see this “fly in the soup” villain again.

NO KHAN. NO BORG.

168. DS9 IN PRIME TIME - November 16, 2011

Does anyone know what the budget is going to be set at?

169. Royal Canadian Institute for the Mentally Insane - November 16, 2011

As long as none of the locations include the word “brewery” I’m cool with it.

170. Jay - November 16, 2011

#165 I don’t think so. The general audience won’t be coming to watch because of who the villain is or isn’t.

General audiences are for the most part unaware of most of Star Trek, even Khan. I say this from experience because most of my friends are not Trek fans and only vaugely know that Khan is a Star Trek character, nothing more. So advertising that Khan is the villain would not make a difference to them seeing this movie.

Which by the way, they enjoyed the first one and like most “general” audience people that saw it, said it was much better than they expected from a Star Trek movie.

Having Khan in the movie I think would be mainly a nod to Trekkers. But the main advisary should be someone or something else. General audiences won’t much care outside of the fact they want a cool and entertaining movie.

171. VOODOO - November 16, 2011

I don’t believe it is going to be Khan… With the seemingly endless list of villians why would they want to go to the one villian who was done 100% right in the past? I don’t think there is much if anything to add to that character.

172. Jay - November 16, 2011

I agree about it not being Khan…… again he may be in it in some small part, but not the focus of the movie.

I think JJ and this crew is all about telling a story that hasn’t been told before. They like brining something unexpected and new to the audience, so I don’t think that will change with this movie.

173. Vultan - November 16, 2011

#165

Your logic is a bit flawed.

Trek ’09 was a hit and no one had ever heard of Nero (the pointy eared, non-Roman emperor, that is).

And if you really want to talk about box office and the general audience going to see a sci-fi movie—Avatar! No one had ever heard of Colonel Miles Quaritch… and I believe the movie did quite well.

174. MONGO - November 16, 2011

Mongo say tell original story and not rehash.

Mongo say should film inside Pottery Barn and call it “Overpriced Home Decor and Furnishings Planet”.

175. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - November 16, 2011

It will be based on the Ep. tomorrow is Yesterday. Except being over Omaha it will be based over Hawaii and Capt John Christipher will Eject over Hawaii.

176. Khan 2.0 - November 16, 2011

I think we’ll have KHAN in the sequel (or at least a cameo setting him up for Trek 3) its just too damn tempting having Khan as the villain in a star trek movie again. like the joker in a batman film. besides, its been 30 years since Khan and he wont be the screaming for revenge Khan we saw in Trek II. and if another Fed ship or the klingons find him itd be totally different to Space Seed as well…(except to odd similarity/homage to what went before in both SS/TWOK)

and to people who say “meh no Khan as its been done already/it lacks originality/go with something totally new etc’..well then why bother having Kirk and Spock etc in the new films either? – dosnt that show a lack of originality? – the star trek universe is a big place, surely they couldve/shouldve gone with an all new crew on a new Enterprise….

177. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - November 16, 2011

#173. Vultan you are correct. Trek 09 did fantastic at the Box Office and I believe that Trek 13. or something will do even better.

178. Jay - November 16, 2011

#176 and to people who say “meh no Khan as its been done already/it lacks originality/go with something totally new etc’..well then why bother having Kirk and Spock etc in the new films either? – dosnt that show a lack of originality? – the star trek universe is a big place, surely they couldve/shouldve gone with an all new crew on a new Enterprise….

That is not at all the same as saying don’t do Khan, do something original.

First of all, they already did that with TNG, Enterprise, etc. The whole point of the reboot was to do what no one had done before – bring back the original characters in their prime, but give them a way to have completely new adventures we hadn’t seen before.

Star Trek always had new advesaries, new villains, new threats to the galaxy, etc. In every episode or movie.

Khan is the exception, not the rule. He is the only one that was brought back from TOS to the movies. It’s not at all like Batman where they have the same set of bad guys that are brought back in each new version of the story.

So it is actually more in line with the history of Star Trek to come up with a new threat or villain, than it is to bring back one from the past.

179. Craiger - November 16, 2011

The genreal audience had also heard of Kirk and Crew, the Enterprise, beam me up Scotty, Phasers ect.

180. MONGO - November 16, 2011

Mongo say that whole reason for new Star Trek movie films to be in different universe is for new stories and not know outcome. What point of Khan? Have him win? That kind of kill interest in Star Trek if heroes lose.

Orci man and Abrams mans say they want to have audience not know if Kirk and friends lives or dies. But if they dies why Mongo want watch? Mongo and EVERYONE know that they lives. Nobody want watch Star Trek where they dies. Spock dies in Khan movie. Then comes back. Nobody want him dies.

Mongo say new stories better.

181. Bart - November 16, 2011

Jungle Planet….Museum in Los Angeles…

Trelane’s planet and castle maybe?

I wouldn’t mind Trelane’s character being explored. Maybe finally get the Q connection.

182. Bart - November 16, 2011

#161..sorry didn’t see your post before I just made mine. I think this would be a great story idea. I am still hoping we don’t get another UBER villian. That’s not what Star Trek has to be about. We can get a great and exciting movie without having another madman.

I think Trelane works in this case.

183. Peter Loader - November 16, 2011

A remake of All Our Yesterdays?

184. Jay - November 16, 2011

Keep in mind not to over blow every little tid bit of info that comes out.

The museum could end up being nother more than Starfleet HQ, and be used in just a couple minutes of the film.

Remember all the speculation when it was first learned that they were filming in the arctic for some ice world scenes? People on here went on for hundreds of posts speculating as to the story surrounding this ice world and basically assuming it was a central part of the film.

Then when the movie comes out, it’s all of about 10 minutes of the 2 hour movie and while an important part of the story, certainly wasn’t as central to the movie as people were speculating here.

185. MONGO - November 16, 2011

Mongo say should film inside Apple Store and call it “iPlanet”.

Oh wait………iPlanet look just like new bridge of Enterprise.

Mongo say never mind.

186. dmduncan - November 16, 2011

“Shooting will also include a museum in Los Angeles standing in for what a source said was a ‘famous Star Trek location.'”

Hmmm. So the musuem itself may not be the location, if it’s “standing in” for a famous Star Trek location. So what famous Star Trek locations can some museum in LA stand in for???

187. dmduncan - November 16, 2011

musuem = museum

188. CD - November 16, 2011

Perfect :)

189. Jay - November 16, 2011

Completely depends on if they are filming inside or outside.

Wasn’t the Vulcan council chamber some church in LA?

It could be something as simple as that. I don’t know what the inside of this museum looks like, but like I said before, it could be used as Starfeet HQ in one or two scenes, much like that church was used for the Vulcan council chamber.

It could be a very small and minor part of the movie.

190. dmduncan - November 16, 2011

Yes, but this museum location represents some “famous Star Trek location,” which means we have seen it before. Not necessarily the location they will shoot at — though it could also be that, but what it will represent should be familiar to us if it’s being described as “famous.”

191. Jay - November 16, 2011

The Vulcan council chamber could be described as a famous Star Trek location.

Starfleet HQ is a famous Star Trek location.

All I’m saying is that you shouldn’t read so much into it. It could be nothing more than a 5 minute scene much like that of the Vulcan chamber filmed in that church, and not indicate at all who the villain is, or what the story line is.

We are all so starved for Star Trek info that we tend to build a whole movie around something as simple as a single location shoot that may be nothing bigger than say the bar scene with Uhura in 2009 Star Trek.

192. Khan 2.0 - November 16, 2011

@178 “First of all, they already did that with TNG, Enterprise, etc. The whole point of the reboot was to do what no one had done before – bring back the original characters in their prime, but give them a way to have completely new adventures we hadn’t seen before.”

same would apply to Khan

193. dmduncan - November 16, 2011

Wait a second….

194. dmduncan - November 16, 2011

191: “All I’m saying is that you shouldn’t read so much into it.”

Where’s the fun in playing it safe?

195. Peter Loader - November 16, 2011

The John Paul Getty Museum there’s some nice set locations to be found there.… for remakes of Who Mourns Adonais.

Benicio Del-Toro as Apollo?

196. dmduncan - November 16, 2011

I wonder if it’s the LA Natural History Museum?

197. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 16, 2011

#52 – “Bob Orci and the TPTB, if you reallllly want to make it a movie for the fans, CAN I PROPOSE A TREKMOVIE.COM CONTEST?
Several winner(s) will make cameo appearances in the movie, with one of the winners given one line to utter onscreen.”

Sounds good. Would it also apply to those living outside the USA as well?

I am lousy at contests. I need to update my passport and get a visa to visit the US. At the moment I have -$,,, to my name, but I am willing to meet the cast and crew. It also means that I can actually have that chat with Bob Orci as well. I’m not sure if that Chris Pine guy would be interested in meeting someone who claims that she is melting and drooling about him, but I am really not that bad, honest. But then I have heard from a certain Bruce Greenwood that Chris is “not all there” sometimes, so it should be fine.

(Some little critter just said that I’m worse…grrrr)

Just say the word and it shall be done – 2012 here I come!

198. Lt. Bailey - November 16, 2011

I sure hope its a go for that date, we have waited long enough for it.

199. PEB - November 16, 2011

it’s possible, very possible that the film could have a december 2012 release depending on if there are any real hold-ups. i mean if they’re really rolling at full steam right now. if not…does anybody have any info on the Trek console game that’s supposed to be coming out summer of 2012? that and mass effect 3 will keep me occupied through the year.

200. Of Bajor - November 16, 2011

Los Angeles Museum of the Holocaust has a very Starfleet feel…

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_NjUov1-0KnU/TMuTibofL0I/AAAAAAAAMUw/zcQEkXVrJRI/s1600/8a.jpg

201. GG - November 16, 2011

Just make sure this movie’s better than Cowboys & Aliens, please.

202. dmduncan - November 16, 2011

Ooh, that’s a nice Museum!

203. Lt. Dakin - November 16, 2011

January 15, 2012 is a Sunday?

204. Commodore Adams - November 16, 2011

Very happy to hear that Scott Chambliss is back for the design!

http://www.destination360.com/north-america/us/california/los-angeles/los-angeles-museums

http://www.destination360.com/north-america/us/california/los-angeles/petersen-automotive-museum

Pictures of two museums which seem very trek-like. Not sure what the first museum is but the second, The Petersen Automotive Museum, looks very retro trek.

205. 750 Mang - November 16, 2011

Please let the four year wait mean this film will have decent dialogue. No more “we’re going down or they are” or you and how many of your friends. It’s Star Trek not contemporary country music, witty banter not tired cliches.

206. James - November 16, 2011

Well it seems that BadAssDigest.com were right when they said no Khan, and so were TrekBrasilis.com when they said the villains will be Klingons. According to ThinkMcFlyThink.com, a very reliable site I might add, said that the Klingons will feature prominently in the sequel and basically be an “intergalactic Taliban” if you will. And that their homeplanet will be overrun with Tribbles. Yes I’m not joking, Tribbles. Only they won’t be cute and cuddly apparently. So I’m definitely looking forward to Abrams version of Klingons and Tribbles! :)

207. Rusty0918 - November 16, 2011

750 Mang, you have a good point there. Apart from “Star Trek” 2009, the rest of Orci & Kurtzman’s resume isn’t that good. We all know how horrible the second Transformers movie was. Not to mention “Cowboys vs. Aliens” didn’t do so hot critic-wise. I really don’t think we’re getting any changes in that.

One thing that I thought was a terrible thing in Trek 2009 was the whole Chekov getting his v’s and w’s mixed up. It worked in “Star Trek IV” because it was done during the last part of the Cold War, and well…you know what people would respond to regarding a Russian asking about US Naval ships. Kinda racist. Don’t you think? But the computer should be able to compensate for that.

As with female crewmembers, I’m strictly against them using Yeoman Rand or Christine Chapel. Both of them were bad characers in TOS. I’m glad they didn’t put them in Trek 2009. I’d like to see a female chief of security (again one who wears a more practical uniform than Uhura’s). I’ve mentioned this before over and over again.

Movies like Transformers 2 (which Orci and Kurtzman share the blame) is what really makes me wary about the sequel. I know they want to appeal to the masses here, but the question is, will they stoop to Michael Bay lows to do it? I also want to point out that the first “Transformers” movie actually reviewed fairly well with critics (it’s got a marginal fresh rating wtih top critics on RT). And there are people that agree with me. Action and humor ARE fine, but please not lowbrow garbage that you expect to find in material involving Bill Green and Billy Bob Thornton.

208. Bucky - November 16, 2011

Jungle planet is codeword for Genesis Planet. I guess they want to make sure they have a nice location scouted for Spock’s coffin at the very end of the film. Get working on that “his was the most…human” speech, Pine!

209. somethoughts - November 16, 2011

#207

I will cut boborci and alex some slack on Transformers 2 since they had limited time due to the writers strike, this time there is no limited time, they have had many years :) God Speed.

I hope those intergalactic talibans Klingons can handle their furry carnivorous tribbles in the Jungle planet!

210. jamesingeneva - November 16, 2011

hmm, could there be a hint lying around for an ARG at the LA musuem?

Probably not but man am I jonesing now that Anthony’s back and publishing some current news…. Can’t believe we have to wait another year and a half though. Seems like it’s been that long since we were told work was starting on the sequel…..

211. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - November 16, 2011

Ok!!!. I have it. It will be about Miri. They find a Earth look a Like and beam down to SanFrancisco and find it more like a jungle. But they got the same plague as the Grups.

212. kirk39 - November 16, 2011

there was a book out years ago about the original crew returning to earth after the ” undiscovered country ” movie . Kirk wanted to stop by the guardian of forever planet to see if the guardian had anything to say ,as it had not since their first encounter with it . As Kirk leaned on it , he mumbled “why” , and the guardian exploded back to “life” , showing him basically everything that brought the federation into being . Another reboot? doubtfull . but the possibilities could be endless .The” guardian of forever ” episode was critically the best “star trek” episode ever and I believe revisiting the guardian planet would be a masterstroke of storytelling .

213. Spockanella - November 16, 2011

105: Mongo smarter than he give himself credit for.

214. James - November 16, 2011

Klingons being the villains though isn’t that surprising cause they were kind of set up in the first movie. But a dark take on Tribbles really intrigues me to no end. For some reason I’m thinking of “Critters.”

215. Guy from Berlin - November 16, 2011

Is Kahn in … i´m out !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

216. somethoughts - November 16, 2011

#105

The position of the planet, distance from sun(s) is perfect conditions for a Jungle Planet. The question is, would there be speeders, walkers and a satellite to blow up hehe

217. somethoughts - November 16, 2011

Star Trek TROUBLE WITH TRIBBLES IN SPACE

Star Trek Furballs with teeth watch your nuts

218. somethoughts - November 16, 2011

watch out!
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2057019136/tt0090887

219. somethoughts - November 16, 2011

Harry Ballz must be so happy, boborci made the sequel about him ;)

220. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - November 16, 2011

#219. Yes and in fact it will co star Ericka Durance.

221. James - November 16, 2011

@215GuyfromBerlin – According to ThinkMcFlyThink.com Khan won’t be in this so no more worrying guys. Khan is not going to be in the sequel. :)

222. Bill Peters - November 16, 2011

I am Doubting that It will have anything to do with Khan, I am betting we are going to get the Gorn or Klingons or some Allen Species as an Enemy

223. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 16, 2011

#205 – “No more “we’re going down or they are”

Are you kidding me? It is actually “Either we are going down or they are” and it comes at the end of the speech Kirk gives when he introduces himself to the crew and explains what is about to happen. I thought that whole piece of dialogue was brilliant and Pine’s delivery and physicality was perfect, right down to the little Shatneresque type pause. Beautiful timing. I knew then that it really was Captain Kirk in that chair.

224. Vultan - November 16, 2011

I think there already was a dark take on the Tribbles.
“Gremlins” anyone?

225. Vultan - November 16, 2011

#223

Hey everyone, look! It’s Chris Pine’s agent!

226. Craiger - November 16, 2011

I still say redo Balance of Terror. Imagine them rewritting Spock’s speech about the Romulans and updating it so the Enterprise series fits right in with canon.

227. Vultan - November 16, 2011

“Star Trek 2: The Carbon Paper Maneuver”
Just when you thought they were out of remakes….

228. somethoughts - November 16, 2011

Star Trek 2 Trouble on planet Jungle with the Tribbles and those Pesky Klingons

229. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - November 16, 2011

Star Trek 2. The Gorns of Tribbles.
Hey. it could work.

230. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - November 16, 2011

Ok. The Ultimate Bad Guy for Star Trek.
Ming the Merciless.
I’m Sure Vultan would approve.

231. Anthony Thompson - November 16, 2011

149. Rusty0918

Hardly a “rumor”, homeboy. It was reported here on this site. Harlan was quoted as saying that he was interested in participating in the sequel and that he admired JJ, etc., etc.

232. Vultan - November 16, 2011

#230

Only if they get Max von Sydow to play him… again.

233. Anthony Thompson - November 16, 2011

222. Bill Peters

Are you still certain that Trek 2 will be released in June, 2012 or Fall, 2012 at the latest? Haha. C’mon, man, say “uncle”!

234. Bucky - November 16, 2011

Yeah, I agree. There’s no way James T. Kirk would say something like “Either we’re going down or they are.” Totally out of character. Got it.

235. MJ - November 16, 2011

“Hmmm. So the musuem itself may not be the location, if it’s “standing in” for a famous Star Trek location. So what famous Star Trek locations can some museum in LA stand in for???”

DM, plesae take a look at the Getty Cente:

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Getty+Center%2c+Los+Angeles&id=1AA19DC2E21A9F18A66B31B6AC2C315CC89AB926&FORM=DTPATO

This is iconic and architecturally timeless, and I could see it looking right as a Trek scene. Not sure though about what famous Trek location this would be — maybe these photos will help you or someone else make a guess?

236. Odkin - November 16, 2011

I’d love them to revisit “Miri”. One of the best, and another “non-villain” one to boot.

So many of the best Treks were villainless and shipbound. Eps like “Charlie X”, were terrific. Although he counts as a villain, he was right in their midst the whole time. The whole Nero/Khan/Klingon shoot-the-bad-guy model is just so booooring.

Still think they missed their golden chance to highlight the new actors’ talents and quirks by doing a “Mirror, Mirror”.

Like Keachick, I’m getting sick of hearing about Khan too. I DON’T think he will be the villain, but I do think he will appear, maybe at the end.

They aren’t going to re-do any old episode or prior movie. Certain characters and settings will appear but the stories won’t be the same.

237. somethoughts - November 16, 2011

I think they just selecting locations they love to be in :)

Hawaii and that museum c’mon!

238. somethoughts - November 16, 2011

Someone needs to create a fantastic cgi program and music editior so that avg folks like us can create awesome epic hollywood movies in 5mins :)

239. somethoughts - November 16, 2011

#236

You mean Picard punching Soran on a mountain, Picard climbing a rope vs Borg Queen, Picard climbing tall metal things against Ruafo and Picard fighting a dying clone of himself at the end of movies was boring? No Way! ;)

/yellsatrickbermanwtfwhereyouthinking

240. garth - November 16, 2011

JUST DO IT!

241. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 16, 2011

#234 I disagree. It was totally in character for James T Kirk to say something like that.

He showed his firm resolve to stop Nero and rescue Pike and that the mission was going to be difficult to accomplish, there would likely be a heavy price but something that had to be done. Later, in the transporter room, just before Scotty beamed Spock and Kirk over to the Narada, Kirk told Sulu that if he had the tactical advantage over Nero to take it, even if it meant that he and Spock would go down with Nero and the Narada. This is the essence of who James T Kirk is – being of firm resolve and being prepared to sacrifice his own life if it meant the survival of others, like the Enterprise and its crew or the Earth itself. Spock understood.

“Either we are going down or they are” was exactly what Kirk would have said in the context of the situation in that movie.

Chris Pine’s agent? Ha! I just like to give credit where real credit is due. There are reasons for liking Chris Pine as an actor. Those two scenes among many are some of those reasons.

242. Iz - November 16, 2011

ST2: When time stood still — finally getting around to making the sequel.

243. somethoughts - November 16, 2011

No threat can outwit and out maneuver the combined powers of Kirk and Spock.

Pure risk, brawn and heroism with calculating emotion free logic. Checkmate.

244. VulcanFilmCritic - November 16, 2011

Hmmmm…some intriguing clues:

A Los Angles museum standing in for a famous Star Trek location?
I’m assuming the location is not the home planet of the villain, but something we’ve seen in TOS or the movies: Starfleet Academy? Vulcan? Rigel 7? Ripley’s Pleasure Planet? Memory Alpha?

And what museum would match the 23rd Century? Well, the Getty is pretty trippy. The LA Museum of the Holocaust is very futuristic looking and then there are several Frank Lloyd Wright houses (Hollyhock, Barnsdale, and Ennis House) which crop up in sci-fi movies (e.g. Bladerunner) so much they have become a cliche. It’s too pat.

A “jungle planet” I hope it’s not too similar to “Avatar.” Nothing like a hot and steamy jungle to show off rippling, sweat-covered abs and pecs. Could this be why Zachary Quinto is working out so hard? For Kirk this is just another day at the office, though. So many things can snag and rip off that shirt in the jungle.

Greater scope? Operatic? This all spells Klingon space opera to me.

245. 750 Mang - November 16, 2011

Pine was great as Kirk. He carried the movie and rose above the weak dialogue. I don’t dislike Trek ’09 but do find a lot of the script cringe-worthy. I accept that I’m in the ticket-popcorn-buying minority but “I don’t think these kids can steer.”

246. somethoughts - November 16, 2011

Its Star Fleet HQ.

Re imagined Intelligent Klingons, 99% sure.

247. Harry Ballz - November 16, 2011

219. I am pleased.

248. Thorny - November 16, 2011

I hope we don’t get a 2-hour version of “Squire of Gothos”. Trelane is essentially omnipotent, so how do you get two hours out of that before Mom and Dad show up and tell Trelane it is time for dinner?

I’d still like a new story featuring Kor or Kang. Del Toro would be great as either one.

249. Thomas - November 16, 2011

169. Royal Canadian Institute for the Mentally Insane

Even if it’s Strange Brew?

250. jas_montreal - November 16, 2011

honestly….. Tribbles + Klingons = Stupid. Seems like Star trek 12 = Star trek 5. Sounds more like a joke then a serious dramatic space-opera like 2 or 6. I was hoping for a movie more like 2 or 6.

Oh well.

251. somethoughts - November 16, 2011

#250

With Benicio Del Toro, it should be like 2 or 6. It better not be 3,5,7,9 or 10

252. jas_montreal - November 16, 2011

I’m honestly pist off Khan is in not in the sequel. There was soo much potential. What the hell ! Can’t wait until they reboot the series again !

253. jas_montreal - November 16, 2011

@ 251.

It just doesn’t sound like theirs that much at jeopardy in this sequel. Klingon planet getting overrun by Tribbles is all over movie news sites. I honestly don’t believe it…. It sounds sooo stupid ! Sure Klingons hate Tribbles, etc, but doesn’t seem like epic dramatic story worthy of telling.

Sounds like Transformers 2 all over again. Except this time…. We pay with our dearest blood. Star Trek.

254. Jeff O'Connor - November 16, 2011

Cannot. Flippin’. Wait.

255. Observer - November 16, 2011

“Jungle planet”? Are they killing Spock again? Or perhaps…someone else? The only two ways I can think they’re going for this “planet” are…Genesis Planet or…apes and creatures — the former’s franchise is up and running again, and Avatar took care of the rest for a while…

I’m betting the character Del Toro is up for is either A) Klingon or B) a re-imagined Khan.

256. Trekker38 - November 16, 2011

Personally would like to see a doomsday machine come trolling by…

257. dmduncan - November 16, 2011

235. MJ – November 16, 2011

That’s a beautiful museum as well.

There was a Vulcan holocaust in ST.09, and that could certainly be used as a link to the Holocaust Museum so long as nobody throws a fit about it being used that way in the real world, but I still don’t know what famous location it would represent.

I mentioned the Natural History Museum because it suddenly occurred to me what a MENAGERIE of creatures the museum I visited last month had. It reminded me of The Cage sets, creature exhibits behind glass, and that too was one of the rumored plot options. So I thought a redressed museum could function as a Talos IV set.

But really, the info is too vague. Could be anything. Camp Kittomer?

Hawaii could be a nice Genesis Planet, too, so back to Khan we go with that one.

Or perhaps Benicio Del Toro plays Kruge, and there’s no Khan involved this time with the Genesis Device.

Hell, the Genesis Device could even be the means whereby New Vulcan is created, and that could be the story.

They could be going anywhere with this stuff. It’s interesting to think about how old episode/movie plot points can be reconfigured and given totally new life in a new universe so that they end up being both familiar and yet original at the same time.

258. jas_montreal - November 16, 2011

@ 255.

According to most movie news sites AND ign news, rumors has it that No khan in the sequel. and the story focuses on tribbles + klingons.

I hope the rumors are wrong. Because if their right, then i’m forever giving up on the rebooted trek universe.

259. somethoughts - November 16, 2011

Grocery List time!

1) refitted Enterprise with darker bridge and a more sci fi engineering room with that glowing tube in the middle of the room!

2) epic dialogue between Kirk, Spock, McCoy

3) epic dialogue between Kirk/Villain

4) epic kung fu fight scene with Kirk, Spock vs impossible odds

5) 3D chess or poker scene with Kirk and Spock

6) Epic dressed villain with omg lines

7) Special Effects that create a new standard in film making

8) Epic music again

9) something old but something new

10) 2.5hrs+ length movie, epic like lotr, dark knight, t2 etc.

11) lets see all the ships, don’t cheap out

12) kick ass costumes, opposite of insurrection (insurrection is worst film and is my whipping boy)

13) nice payoff, better than sex in public

14) pretend James Cameron is directing, BIG BIG BIG

15) give the academy the finger as they hate sci fi films.

260. dmduncan - November 16, 2011

Am I getting warm, Bob?

261. somethoughts - November 16, 2011

god mirror mirror Star Trek movie would be so epic, I agree with Jas, flesh eating tribbles causing problems for a nomadic Klingons doesn’t scream epic :)

262. somethoughts - November 16, 2011

Klingons, however, find tribbles very annoying, and the feeling is mutual: tribbles emit an ear-piercing shriek of aggression, and jump, whenever they are near Klingons. (It has subsequently been explained that tribbles have a keen sense of smell and find food by scent, that they find the smell of Klingons offensive, and that Klingons, who are likewise spoken of as having a keen sense of smell, find the “stench” of tribbles repulsive :(

263. jas_montreal - November 16, 2011

@ 261.

Exactly! They better find a way of including khan man. Otherwise what a wasted chance….

264. 750 Mang - November 16, 2011

If this movie is about Tribbles… Surely not.

265. 750 Mang - November 16, 2011

Wait… Nero’s advanced technology not only caused the Enterprise to be built in Iowa (and those nifty Kelvin salt shakers), the Enterprise to look like an Apple store but also led to Borg-Tribbles! The ultimate Star Trek villain. This rumor has to be bogus. But then again look at how Kirk got on the Enterprise in ST ’09. Sigh…

266. Khan was Framed! - November 16, 2011

Jungle planet = pre-catastrophe Ceti Alpha V.

This will be for the ending shot of Khan & company landing there in “Space Seed” the motion picture, aka “the Rise of Khan”.

267. somethoughts - November 16, 2011

#266

Imagine benicio delivering khans lines in twok.

Spine tingling.

268. somethoughts - November 16, 2011

Boborci said in a interview with anthony way back, “it is very cold in space”

Khan had said that in twok regarding klingons proverb. I expect klingons and khan no less :)

269. somethoughts - November 16, 2011

Great qoutes

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Star_Trek_II:_The_Wrath_of_Khan

270. somethoughts - November 16, 2011

Carnivorous tribbles has to be a ruse!

271. Rob - November 16, 2011

Let the situation become desperate for the crew, with Kirk and McCoy kidnapped, Spock distraught, Pike truly crippled and wheelchair bound, and Scott in reluctant command of a badly damaged Enterprise. Save that rumored Botany Bay reveal for the final scene, and pay our man Javier whatever money he wants to make a cameo appearance in part two, and star in part three.

And this time, Khan is on OUR side, and with his pal Chekov will take command and whup some TOS Klingon a$$!

272. Rob - November 16, 2011

IN MOTION PICTURE ERA UNIFORMS, FOOLS!

273. dmduncan - November 16, 2011

Well Damon Lindelof is aboard…and he did do the Alien prequel Prometheus, so…

Chest bursting tribbles?

274. Red Dead Ryan - November 16, 2011

We try for a few nibbles, and what we get are rumors of tribbles!

Oh, I can only imagine the quibbles, as J.J Abrams does his scribbles!

275. 750 Mang - November 16, 2011

“Either the Tribbles are going down or we are.”

276. Commodore Adams - November 16, 2011

I just hope that if there is this nomadic team of Klingons that they are not too much like Nero’s gang.

@30. Anthony Pascale. Good call Anthony, I would not want to know of any ‘Vader is Luke’s father’ spoilers. All I want to know is that filming is underway, post production has started, that kinda stuff.

@33. ilker. I completely disagree. It’s not just youngsters, its non Star Trek fans. Three of my close friends never cared for any Star Trek, but the 2009 blew them away, walking out they all said that “Star Trek is awesome!” Not to mention that some of my other friends loved the movie as well, so I would say that what they did, worked.

@40. Keachick. If you look at images of the Enterprise orbiting Quo’nos the planet is lush and green, more green than Earth. So I would say much of Quo’nos is hot and lush, not dry.

277. Commodore Adams - November 16, 2011

It was said that the Star Trek Ongoing comic book series will tie in the two movies just like the Star Trek Countdown comic books did. So I plan to keep up to date. The first two have already come out centred around Gary Mitchell, the third one is out this month. Once I heard that Star Trek Ongoing was going to tie in the movies it was a done deal for me. Star Trek Countdown tied everything in perfectly, Star Trek Ongoing will fill in the gaps.

I love how the powers that be decided to tie the movies together by the comics, its the first time I have considered a comic book let alone anything outside of the movies and TV series canon.

278. somethoughts - November 16, 2011

#275

Rofl

279. 750 Mang - November 16, 2011

#276 Yes, they said the comics tie them together but don’t actually count. Convenient.

280. Bucky - November 16, 2011

241 – I was totally agreeing that it’s 100% in character for Kirk to say something like that and I agree with your assessment of Pine’s delivery. I think it’s silly that someone would actually dispute that as being a non-Kirk line. Sarcasm is sometimes borderline impossible to get across on the internets. And i’m not being sarcastic when I say that. See? It’s difficult!

281. Commodore Adams - November 16, 2011

272. Rob. LMAO, NOOOOOO!

282. Bucky - November 16, 2011

Or confusing. Anyway, carry on folks. Either this thread is going down or I am. Or, uh, something.

283. 750 Mang - November 16, 2011

#282 Hahaha…

284. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 16, 2011

The comic books don’t count in that you do not have to have read the books in order to understand the story in the next film. I have not seen, let alone read the Countdown comics associated with Star Trek 09 but I think I have a pretty good grasp of the story.

The other thing to remember is that Bob Orci and co will be or should be writing for an international audience in mind. Not everything to do with Star Trek is (easily) available in other countries as they might be in North America or the UK.

I think this stuff about Klingons and tribbles with big bad teeth are just part of the bigtime rumour machine getting into gear. Expect to hear much more of the same kind of stuff…We won’t know till whenever if any of it has a grain of truth to it…:( or …:)

285. 750 Mang - November 16, 2011

#284 I enjoyed the Countdown comics. But Orci himself said they weren’t to be taken as a part of the story. Which is sad because they made St ’09 make more sense. Although Countdown didn’t explain the Kelvin salt shaker or big E being built in Iowa. I’m still waiting for the postcard to arrive riddling that. Actually, Orci explained that to me here on this site. Good thing we have the internet. But shouldn’t it have been in the film? “Either this salt shaker is going down or we are.”

286. somethoughts - November 16, 2011

I just assumed those salt shakers was a way to commerate the people that died on the kelvin and to honour the captain george kirk for sacrificing himself. Enterprise built in Iowa to honour george kirks heroics and to give jj a sexy shot as kirk gazes upon the enterprise ala star wars tatooine shot.

287. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 16, 2011

275. Cute.

288. 750 Mang - November 16, 2011

#286 Yes, that was apparently the reason but don’t Starfleet officers die all the time in heroic acts? How many salt shakers are out there?

289. somethoughts - November 16, 2011

I would like 100 1970s ILM STYLE model ships built in painstaking detail then incorporating them in a 3D criss crossing space battle scene that would set the bar so high no movie can ever match, the xyz plane would be scattered with ships in slow battle and epic goodiness.

Make all star wars shots like childs play, nothing flat, superb detail and very grand scale. The camera would focus on enterprise with nice shots of all ships duking it out, I want to hear ships as they pass, THX styles.

290. Bucky - November 16, 2011

You know if there are tribbles in the film it doesn’t have to be the driving force of the plot. It could easily be a slightly comedic B-story, that would be fine. As much as I love The Trouble With Tribbles (and Trials and Tribble-Ations) I can’t see after waiting four years we get a quirky all-Tribbles movie.

291. somethoughts - November 16, 2011

#288

If you visit san fran in the startrek2009 universe maybe you will see nx01 pepper shakers? :)

292. Frank Fischer - November 16, 2011

@boborci:

Dear Bob,
may I ask waht happend to your concept for a new Star Trek TV series? Is the idea shelved or are you still in talks?
Would love to see it on TV!

Thank you!
Live long and prosper!
Frank

293. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 16, 2011

Note to Supreme Court – no drawn out battle scenes, phasers firing, ships exploding. Too much time and expense is lavished on war (fake and real) already. Keep it short and given what it is, I guess, not so sweet.

Mesmerize us with the beauty of an amazing and beautiful alien forest aka Maui, Hawaii for example with some CGI or whatever voodoo is used to make it look somehow awesomely alien Or
Let’s see a young Kirk prove himself in a survival training course on one of the lovely Hawaii islands.

294. Commodore Adams - November 17, 2011

I agree with the comments in the Star Trek 2009 special feature that the traditional Star Trek ship battles are like submarine warfare. As much as I love the Khan battle or the cloaked ship battle with General Chang, they are quite dull. The battle scenes in 2009 were great albeit all to brief, so basically keeping with tradition. If Klingons are a main focus of the new film, an epic space battle is to be pleasantly expected.

295. RoadSiren - November 17, 2011

this is great news.. looking forward to this!

Why hello again Anthony! good to finally see you post articles again. Would you care to explain why you’ve been missing this past few weeks? a lot of us are curious to know… :)

cheers!

296. rangerone314 - November 17, 2011

Maybe the Black Smoke monster comes after the Enterprise.

297. Hugh Hoyland - November 17, 2011

I’m thinking the guys are going to come up with something that’s very different (yet familiar) as far as the sequel goes. It might catch some people off guard.

Just a hunch. :]

298. Will_H - November 17, 2011

I still hope they put it out next year. There’s no excuse to take this long with it. Then again, if I have to wait till 2013 and they can make a real engineering and not the pathetic excuse that was in the last movie, I’d wait.

299. George Lazenby - November 17, 2011

Anyone thought of the George Page Museum at the La Brea Tar Pits in Los Angeles?

http://you-are-here.com/modern/la_brea.html

http://thompsonhotelssocial.com/blog/cms/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/george-c-page-museum.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3003/2719173092_e35bf5939a.jpg

J.J. could add some nice CGI landscapes around the building and could make something spectacular looking on screen.

300. VulcanFilmCritic - November 17, 2011

@105, 180 MONGO RULES!!! Your logic is inescapable and side-splittingly funny. I had to get up from the computer and go outside to catch my breath.

301. Randall - November 17, 2011

I don’t know, but every time I look at pics of these Los Angeles museums, what they remind me of is Deneva.

302. VZX - November 17, 2011

@201: Yes, I agree, make it better than Cowboys & Aliens! That movie was so, well, seemed like it wasn’t finished. Like there were missing parts, or not edited well. It had good acting, directing, action, etc., but was just kind of…dull. Like a really cool-looking sword that is not sharp.

@33: Yep, I agree with everyone else that disagreed with you. I teach a bunch of 17-20 year-olds, and a lot of them loved the new Star Trek. So many of them never watched Trek before but became new fans from the 2009 movie. Also, how could you call it a flop when it made the most money of any other Trek movie (not counting inflation) or, the second most if you count inflation? (Barely 2nd most, TMP beat it by a few thousand)

Also, the 2009 movie has the highest rating on Rotten Tomatoes than any Trek film. I am just not sure how you call it a flop: highest ratings, made the most money, acquired new fans. Please comment back.

303. Jay - November 17, 2011

I hope it is the Klingons. I have been saying since the 2009 film came out that the next one should focus on the rising Klingon empire. I would like to see them more dark, ruthless and brutal. Something to really be feared. I think a good story arc would be having some new Klingon emperor come to power – a Hitler type – that is bent on galactic domination and he builds up the Kingon empire to start taking over the galaxy.

I think that could open up all kinds of great storylines and could be a 2 movie arc that would have the potential of being truely epic.

Just think of the success of movies like Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter. Those movies had a good versus evil arc that kept auiences coming back. I’m not saying make the Star Trek story 5 movies long, but 2 movies would be perfect I think.

Plus I think it would be a good idea if they took a little darker direction. Much like Empire Strikes Back did to great success. Have Star Trek 12 be the begining of the war with the Klingons, with the Klingons actually have some success. Lots of potential drama there. and then Star Trek 13 would be Starfleets triumph over evil as they win the war.

This could create the opportunity for alot of really tense and dramatic scenes that I think would be fantastic for Star Trek. It certainly would be deeper like was suggested in the original article.

304. somethoughts - November 17, 2011

I like this to be the Klingon Music :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO1sioPlu6A

305. Sebastian S. - November 17, 2011

Now when they get everyone together again, they should’ve shot 2 and 3 back to back. I suspect Pine, Yelchin and Saldana might move on to bigger things before a third movie is ready. But since 2’s script is still being finalized, I doubt we’ll see a third movie in this line until 2017 or so.

I sincerely hope this next movie is worth the wait (and not some tired retread of “Wrath of Khan”). Make it work, guys!

306. Daoud - November 17, 2011

Jungle planet is perfect as many have noted for pre-catastrophe Ceti Alpha V. Since movie was in 2258, and in the prime Khan wasn’t left there until 2268…. and by Greg’s books, he has a few years before CA6 is destroyed…. Khan did say it was a paradise before.
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Premise: The Botany Bay was pushed slightly by a pressure wave in 2233 from Nero’s first insertion with the Narada at the Kelvin incident. This was enough to get the Botany Bay into the Ceti Alpha system. Khan landed around 2234. They’ve been rebuilding for two decades. And now… “Khan Is Back, and Bigger and Better (and Older) Than Before”. Do they call the planet “Terra Nova”? Perhaps!
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The Push: Prime Spock’s list of “things to avert” given to Starfleet included checking on the location of the Botany Bay. nuKirk’s mission is to find it and neutralize the threat. But it isn’t there… but dynoscanners indicate industrial activity on Ceti Alpha V….
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And the Klingons are and have already been there!
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Khan ruling the Klingon Empire? (The Klingons find the Augment DNA makes them “brothers”. Oh, they regret it a few years later!)
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Uh oh.

307. Daoud - November 17, 2011

As for a Museum…. Memory Alpha makes sense. Where else would all of Prime Spock’s recordings, writings, and notes be stored under lock and key and security? The Klingons led by Khan would obviously want this, as it includes knowledge from 100 years of developments yet to happen… Genesis device, etc.

308. Johnson 12 - November 17, 2011

There’s a spot over on io9.com, saying,
“The Klingons play a prominent role . . . as a Nomadic sect of warrior aliens . . . think intergalactic Taliban with their home-planet overrun by Tribbles . . . newly rebooted . . . as “furry carnivorous creatures.”

Tribbles? Really? And it sounds like they’re turing them into “Critters”. Ugh.

309. CoolPT - November 17, 2011

If you can’t wait until 2013 to see some new Star Trek, check out startrekorigins.com. They are working on some episodes to explore the time before Kirk and Pike and show some adventures of Captain April and George Kirk. They have a trailer up now and I can’t wait to check them out.

310. Johnson 12 - November 17, 2011

Also, using the Klingons – again – seems boring to me however, rebooting them as a “Taliban” (Religious terrorists?) does sound a bit more interesting.

311. somethoughts - November 17, 2011

I prefer alien martial artists that are clever and wicked and are more sophisticated than snobby vulcans and more beauty than viking klingons.

312. 750 Mang - November 17, 2011

How did Nero’s arrival cause Tribbles to become carnivorous?

313. somethoughts - November 17, 2011

Sorta like dragonball z, vegeta and goku :)

314. somethoughts - November 17, 2011

#312

When the klingons held the narada for 20 yrs klingon scientists in a attempt to learn narada tech cross bred tribbles with narada cells.

The result is tribbles with blood lust and or there was a transporter accident

315. Johnson 12 - November 17, 2011

@312. 750 Mang

Steroids?

316. Odkin - November 17, 2011

Not enough to destroy Vulcan, they are now booting the Klingons off of their home world too?

Don’t people realize that multi-planetary stories actually make the universe SMALLER in scope?

The writers should be trying to convey immensity, mystery and danger of space and alien worlds. It often took the Enterprise days to travel between worlds.

When they bring in multiple races and worlds ALL AT ONCE it reduces the scale of space. TOS used the seafaring explorer paradigm, with long and dangerous travels between foreign ports. This made space seem HUGE.
JJTrek is going to reduce the immensity of space to the scale of a grasshopper jumping between balls on a pool table.

317. CAPT KRUNCH - November 17, 2011

Trek 50! book um Spocko!

318. somethoughts - November 17, 2011

#316

Yea, I dont like the idea of small group of upset romulan miners or s small sect of nomadic klingons, seems like to afraid to deal with the actual race.

Go big or go home!

319. somethoughts - November 17, 2011

*too

320. Craiger - November 17, 2011

Star Trek 3 – 2020 – Kirk vs. the carnivorous Tribbles.

321. Daoud - November 17, 2011

Zombie tribbles? Ugh. Klingon-Tribble fusions? It’s like a mad FASA supplement from the seventh layer of s’tov qor.

322. Nano - November 17, 2011

GENESIS the Jungle planet? Naaaa

323. Nano - November 17, 2011

Jungle Planet = RISA? Or a spin on “Shore Leave”!

324. On Vacation With Landru - November 17, 2011

Why the heck would Spock warn them of anything? I cannot imagine Spock giving the new universe spoiler alerts. I think that would ruin the movie more than the hullabaloo about the engineering set.

325. Data476 - November 17, 2011

If I have to wait until 2013 to see a two-hour movie it better be good. To take a whole FIVE years to get this sequel from conception to release is quite incredible when one is to consider the critical success of the 2009 movie. Surely Star Trek deserves better attention than Super 8 and Aliens
and Cowboys. Cam’ on!!

If the sequel is good I am sure the fans will forgive the wait.. but only if its good. If its anything less than Abrams and his team will be roasted alive I can assure them. They’ll kill Star Trek.

326. Dee - lvs moon' surface - November 17, 2011

“There’s a big sequence for me that I have to prepare for in this movie physically so I’m training, working on getting in some serious shape, building my cardio endurance, preparing to run a lot,” Quinto said.

“I’ll be training for a sequence in the movie which doesn’t come in until later, so I’ll keep training”

I wonder if this scene that ZQ was talking will happen in the jungle planet… maybe…………. :-) :-)

327. NuFan - November 17, 2011

Why not film 3, 4, and 5 back to back? Probably not 6, though. That would be too much all at once.

328. Red Dead Ryan - November 17, 2011

Klingons and Tribbles! What an original concept……NOT!

And hey, once the Tribbles are wiped out by the Klingons, the furballs can become a Targ food brand!

“Tribbles ‘n Bits ‘n Bits ‘n Bits….”

329. NuKirk - November 17, 2011

Nomadic Klingons as religious terrorists? So basically they’re taking that Klingon cult from Season 7 of Voyager that viewed B’Elanna’s kid as a demonic messiah (in novels they were revealed to be Klingon equivalent to Satanists) and making that angle the new Klingons? (smh) Except they’re waging war on Tribbles like Worf said in DS9’s Trials and Tribbleations episode? Except they’re turning Tribbles into a cross between the Ewoks and the Mogwai creatures from the Gremlins movies? (smh) If this io9 story is to be believed, The Supreme Court’s done a little too much LDS;)

Also, I hope they don’t try to spin this Klingon/Tribbles thing into a Bajor/Cardassia thing…if so, it’s best to just involve Bajor and Cardassia…or at least make the occupiers the Romulans…

Also, to boborci: please try to integrate ST: Enterprise species into the new film to show continuity, such as Denobulans, or Suliban, or Xindi or some other race.

Finally boborci, if the io9 story IS true… as I said above, please retool the species occupying/invading the Klingons. Make it Tribbles and be prepared to make the film a comedy. People will not take carnivorous Tribbles invading the Klingons seriously, even if it’s rather ironic LOL Better to go with the Romulans, the Gorn, the Tholians, the Remans or the Cardassians… and the nomadic terrorist angle for the Klingons? If doing that as the io9 story says, best to in fact MAKE it a cult like that Voyager cult…if Khan is involved the Klingon cult could view Khan as the Messiah who helps them overthrow their enemy…only, in a Shinzon-like way Khan seizes control of the Klingons to go after Earth…(face palm) oh no, this film isn’t a remake of Nemesis with different species and villains, is it? (smh)

330. T'Cal - November 17, 2011

All the waiting makes me wonder if they will be filming two sequels at once so the second one comes out either at the end of ’12 or the summer of ’13, and the third film will come out no more than a year later. STXII would have a full story that continues into STXIII – like TDK and TDKR. BTW, if they have a script, they must have a title not to mention a list of characters. We need something more. MORE, DAMMIT!!!

331. Craiger - November 17, 2011

Could the sequel be based on this TAS episode? I never saw TAS but looked up Tribbles at Star Trek Memory Alpha

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/More_Tribbles,_More_Troubles_(episode)

332. Craiger - November 17, 2011

Also Captain Koloth is in that TAS episode.

333. somethoughts - November 17, 2011

Too bad its not about khan or borg, bet you guys would take that now over critters in space vs taliban klingons

334. Khan 2.0 - November 17, 2011

if the Tribble Klingon plot proves to be true i shall open my desk drawer, reach for my S&W .38 snub and re decorate my ceiling with a shade of red white and grey

335. Daoud - November 17, 2011

I think Carnivorous Tribbles might be the Corporate Headquarters-type diversion.
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Tribbles already skirted the line with copyright infringement, as even David Gerrold has commented. Furthermore, there’s no way they could use tribbles as a major story device without Gerrold’s involvement. So, someone should call him up and ask. Moreover, certain other scifi authors’ estates could sue if a movie is centered on Tribbles Behaving Badly. Flatcats, anyone? Day of the Triffids, anyone?
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Pass the quadrotriticale.
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Wheat?
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Quadrotriticale!
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Holly Sherman would be so proud of David.

336. Let Them Eat Plomeek Soup - November 17, 2011

@72:

Nooo! No TMP-like jumpsuits, please!

Sorry–I’m suffering from pent-up Trek-ergy from not visiting this site in a while.

Anyways, I would like to suggest no Khan. There is already enough Khan. There is an entire movie called “The Wrath of Khan”. Though I would like to see some Klingons, though. That would be awesome.

337. mjpeng - November 17, 2011

@259: Hear Hear, that’s what we want !

338. Randolph - November 17, 2011

@66…

I sent a suggestion in to TV Guide several years ago during a contest they sponsored on how to revitialize the Ster Trek franchise. My idea:

STAR FLEET ACADEMY 2384 (or whatever date is appropiate)!!!

It’s perfect for true fans and profit as well! Picture 90210 meets Star Tek; a college age cast with cameo’s from franchise favorites plus interstellal/collegiate story lines with The Vulcan Science Academy, The Klingon College of War etc.!!!

339. Anthony Thompson - November 17, 2011

Bob, don’t let Khan 2.0 (334) do it!!!! It’s up to you to save his life. No Tribbles or Klingons, please! : )

340. Khan 2.0 - November 17, 2011

i wanna be there sitting in the theatres watching KHANS WRATH and wot i get instead eh? some tribbles and boring klingons…

NO!

i reach for the .38 and finito time. no more tears

341. Khan 2.0 - November 17, 2011

i wait 4 years for taliban klingons and angry tribbles?

I think not…..

*BLAM!*

342. Vultan - November 17, 2011

It’s a BIG galaxy out there. Might we have something besides Khan or Klingons? Or Romulans? Or Tribbles?!!!

I hope the Klingon-Tribble thing is just a silly rumor.

343. Rusty0918 - November 17, 2011

Well, it all depends…

The basic idea of a carnivorous blight wrecking the Klingon’s homeworld and driving them off as nomadic does even up the playing field after the loss of Vulcan. But Tribbles? Uh?

At this point in time, I wouldn’t buy into it. Although then again, I wouldn’t buy the idea of Kirk going from cadet to captain.

344. Khan 2.0 - November 17, 2011

heh just kidding about blowing my brains out…i’ll wait for the movie first

btw i watched Pirates 4 the other night and noticed the Fountain of Youth bore more than a passing resemblance to The Guardian of Forever:
http://latimesherocomplex.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/pirates-fountain.jpg?w=600&h=396

maybe Harlan should get on the phone to his lawyer…

345. Christine - November 17, 2011

Bigger scope?
Hm…

I know!
REPLICATORS!!!

Let’s see how the Enterprise crew deals with those nasty little buggers!

346. Khan 2.0 - November 17, 2011

@334 – i actually be ok if the borg were to be the villains (if not ST then in ST3)…Although theyve been done on TNG (& VOY/ENT) and in a prior film 15 years ago, they are firmly a TNG era villain and we have never seen Kirk and Co have anything to do with them (bar a comic in the Star Trek Manga series and Shatners ‘The Return’) – plus after Q Who/BOBT part 1 (when the borg were at their most menacing) theyve always seemed to have a spokesperson which kinda lessened their impact somewhat – so while initially it would seem they are treading old ground itd would actually be fresh if it was Kirk and Spock vs a non Locutus/Lore/Queen led borg…. it would be interesting to see how Kirk faces up against a Ridley Scott style borg – like Star Trek does Aliens mixed with Terminator – horror Sci Fi (what FC was)…plus fans would obviously be intrigued with how Kirk, Spock deal with the borg threat – almost a TOS vs TNG thing going down

plus we havent seen the origin of the borg yet or the borg homeworld – so the origins could be explored abit via flashback or the like? (prob like Ridley Scott is gonna do with Promethues) could V’ger even be involved? (borg tech appears in Countdown and Vger appears in the Nero comics)

and dont forget – Robotics/cybernetics are heavily in vogue due to Transformers and alien tech design in just about every other SF movie (e.g. Cowboys&Aliens) as are zombies (the borg are zombie like)

347. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 17, 2011

So, if tribbles are no longer the cute furry creatures of the universe, who will be? Puffles?

Bob Orci? Anyone?

348. Commodore Adams - November 17, 2011

@71. Keachick. Agreed, would be great to have B.G. back as Admiral Pike.

@72. Admiral Kent. I was wondering that as well. The admirals at the academy had a different uniform so Pike’s was either a dress uniform or some sort of fleet commander? Either way, I doubt they will change the uniforms, I have a feeling they will stick with the tri-colour for all three.

@78. Joel. Yes, but we all know how much Orci and Kurtzman love TWOK.

@84. Leen. lmoa perfect.

@96. Old Trekker. I disagree, Berman was great for what he did, taking over for Gene because he got it, he kept the course true and strong. But in the end he had too much power, did too much, and almost killed it. He should have left on a high note. I have a feeling a new TV series would hire Denise & Mike Okuda for consulting and they are more important than Berman or Bragga at this point in Treks life.

Look at what Moore did with Battlestar. For Star Trek TV, Ronald D. Moore is the man for the job.

349. SciFiGuy - November 17, 2011

It should be the Revenge of George and Gracie the 20th Century Whales!!!! YES!!!

350. Dee - lvs moon' surface - November 17, 2011

347. Keachick….

Tribbles??… Then someone gave the idea for boborci… but I didn’t…… I swear… LOL… I hope Anthony does not delete it… because it’s funny… I think at least… :-) :-)

here:

http://i56.tinypic.com/jgp200.jpg

351. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire. - November 17, 2011

I wish they would do the movie in the Terran Empire. That would be fun.

352. NuFan - November 17, 2011

I want to see flesh eating tribbles wipe out the Klingons!

353. somethoughts - November 17, 2011

#351

That would be epic, imagine the delta shield logo and a mirror reflection of it as the teaser poster.

354. somethoughts - November 17, 2011

#346

I support this idea

355. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 17, 2011

#350 I do not see why Anthony would delete this photo. After all, this is James T Kirk wearing civvies guarding an old car wreck full of tribbles who somehow made it to Earth and not sharp tooth among them. Very Star Trek…:)

356. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire. - November 17, 2011

#352. Great Idea and Mongo can Direct.

357. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 17, 2011

This is the third attempt to post this message.

To Bob Orci –

I am writing on behalf of my daughter, Michelle (nine years old) who requests that you (or an assistant) get four puffles.

Two of the puffles need to be ORANGE – medium and small sizes (cost NZ$15 and $7 respectively). The larger one is called Chris Pine. The smaller one is James Kirk. They are to be given to actor Chris Pine when he starts work on the film on 15 January 2012 or thereabouts. Naming them and then placing them in a prominent place in his trailer is a good idea.

The other two puffles need to be YELLOW – medium and small sizes (same cost NZ dollars). The larger one is called Zachary Quinto and the smaller one is Spock. They are also to be given to actor Zachary Quinto when he starts work on 15 January or thereabouts. Name and place them in his trailer as well.

Puffles can be googled. The other two posts had links and perhaps that is why they did not go through. I don’t know.

Believe me or not, but Michelle gave these puffles their names herself. She has a special bag for all of her collection. They need lots of cuddles and to be kept safe and warm.

Bob Orci – Thank you for your attention. I hope what we ask is possible. We just wanted to give the two actors a small gift. Michelle asks me to tell you to have a good time puffle hunting.

358. Hugh Hoyland - November 17, 2011

I wanna Puffle to! :]

359. VZX - November 17, 2011

Oh wow. Crazy is as crazy does.

But, yeah, go Star Trek!

360. Commodore Adams - November 17, 2011

@112. rm10019. “First and foremost Star Trek is action adventure storytelling…” Thanks for throwing that in. Wagon train to the stars.
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I am hoping one day along with a new TV series we might get a movie with a crew we have never met. The movies are either based on the TOS or TNG cast, and we know that DS9, VOY, or ENT weren’t popular enough to warrant motion pictures. Do you think a movie would ever be based on a random crew we have not met yet?

361. Commodore Adams - November 17, 2011

@161. CFKane. Yea, great, a movie about Trelane…and in the end you find out he is a child. Yawn.

362. Craiger - November 17, 2011

I am still kind of torn between if they are going to have the reboot TOS crew going up against rebooted TOS villians? The first reboot movie was good. Sure Nero was a Romulan but he kind of seemed like a new villian to me. However I wonder if Trek would be dead to me if the just used old TOS villians updated for a new audience? Then it would be, Klingons or Khan or Tribbles or Planet Killer, been their done that.

363. Craiger - November 17, 2011

Then again would be neat seeing the general audiences reaction to the rebooted TOS crew going up against rebooted TOS villians? Maybe JJ will make the old TOS villians seem cool to the general audience?

364. Vultan - November 17, 2011

#360

I don’t know about the big screen, but a TV movie with a new ship and crew would be nice. Who knows, it could turn into an actual Trek series (if the ratings and reviews are good enough).

Hey, it worked for Battlestar Galactica.

365. Craiger - November 17, 2011

#364

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ghosts-trans-humans-kgb-agents-259033

366. captainkirk - November 17, 2011

My guess is that the museum will be Starfleet headquarters.

367. captainkirk - November 17, 2011

By the way, when can we expect a trailer?

368. Polly - November 17, 2011

Awww yeah!! :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) Great news!
(Sorry for the ridiculous amount of smiley faces. Must express my happiness level)

369. VZX - November 17, 2011

@365: Craiger: you mean that new starship show? Yeah, but it’s not Star Trek. But I’ll give it a shot. I really miss Trek on tv.

Not for nothing, but Terra Nova reminds me a lot of Star Trek. Yeah, its got its flaws, but it’s better than nothing. I guess it might have something to do with Braga running it.

370. VulcanFilmCritic - November 17, 2011

The jungle planet could be Earth.

Why bother to time travel if you’re only going to go back and forth a hundred years or two? Why not time travel 10,000 or 100,000 years into the future? With global warming and accelerated climate change perhaps conditions on Earth will approach those of the Jurassic Era. (“Jurassic Park” was filmed on Kaua’i, by the way.)

Perhaps the Enterprise engages the Klingons in a heavy-duty space battle, only to get slingshot way into the future. They find themselves in a part of the galaxy they don’t recognize.

But the Klingons are there and they have to do battle without the benefit of weapons “mano a mano” on some primitive jungle planet. (In that climate, it might be interesting to see what Klingons look like without the heavy costumes, wouldn’t it? Are they hairy or scaly?)

Anyway, they defeat the Klingons only to find, shrouded in jungle vegetation, the ruins of Starfleet headquarters, arising from the jungle like some Mayan temple. Something like the ending of “Planet of the Apes” where Charlton Heston find the Statue of Liberty submerged in the sand.
“The Planet of the Apes” is Earth! We’re in New York! Holy cliffhanger, Batman!”

Either that or Captain Pike gets really maimed and crippled by Delta rays, while on a routine training flight with our familiar complement of Starfleet cadets. I’m betting Bruce Greenwood is the “sacrificial lamb” in this one.

Maybe Spock is somehow responsible. His mind is on other things (Uhura, specifically) and he suffers real pangs of guilt.
Which would explain his need to risk his own life (and Kirk’s career in “The Menagerie.”) The trauma of this event (as well as the trauma to his people) is enough to make this out-of-control young man suppress his human side and embrace the full Vulcan.
Watching Quinto crawl into his shell to become the Spock that TOS fans know and love might be one of the pleasures (and pathos) of this film. (Hmmm…No wonder Zachary has been having so many informal dinners with Leonard recently.)

371. NCM - November 17, 2011

We finally get some fresh crumbs and we pepper ‘em with mothballs.

372. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 17, 2011

#370 – “Maybe Spock is somehow responsible. His mind is on other things (Uhura, specifically) and he suffers real pangs of guilt.
Which would explain his need to risk his own life (and Kirk’s career in “The Menagerie.”) The trauma of this event (as well as the trauma to his people) is enough to make this out-of-control young man suppress his human side and embrace the full Vulcan.”

Do you actually realize how lame that sounds? I mean, how does anyone who is in a relationship possibly manage to do their work, which may involve a lot of responsibility and physical and/or mental effort? How is it possible for humans to have been able to achieve so much without being able to “suppress *the* human side and embrace the full Vulcan”? A great many of these human beings had their own “Uhuras” as well.

In fact, this reality could well be behind the saying, “Behind every successful man is a woman” and vice versa.

Please…

I don’t want to see anymore time travel. I think it would be good for this young crew to experience linear time. I mean – so much to see and do!

BTW – The latest papz(?) photo shows Chris Pine as being very capable of running through forests etc and a real honey he looks as well…such a fine looking conifer, to be sure… :)

373. Rusty0918 - November 18, 2011

@372

“I don’t want to see anymore time travel. I think it would be good for this young crew to experience linear time. I mean – so much to see and do!”

I don’t agree very much with you, Keachick aka Rosemary, but I agree with you there. I seriously doubt we’re going to get that plot device yet again. I’d say the chances are less than 1%.

As with what io9 comments, I would find it absurd that tribbles would OVERRUN the homeworld of the Klingons. HOWEVER, keep in mind the masses don’t know squat about what a tribble is. What if the Klingons tried to genetically fudge with them, and it went bad? Might even the odds since Vulcan was lost in Trek 2009, perhaps the writers feel they need to add some “balance” to it.

374. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 18, 2011

What does “io9″ mean?

375. Commodore Adams - November 18, 2011

Klingons!…and tribbles?

http://trekmovie.com/2009/11/17/video-jj-abrams-talks-klingons-in-star-trek-2009-and-sequel/

http://www.thinkmcflythink.com/movie-news/2011/11/16/star-trek-sequel-welcome-to-the-jungle.html

376. DonDonP1 - November 18, 2011

@41 Indeed. I wish ILM woud do special effects for the “Superman” movie reboot “Man of Steel”, to be released in 2013, marking Superman’s 75th anniversary.

377. Tiberius Subprime - November 18, 2011

Speculation here.
If the comics tie in in some way, and they have been focusing on Gary Mitchel, maybe the film refers to the friendship and death of Gary, and Kirk feels guilty.

Then, “Behold”, Gary pops up alive and sets his sights on Kirk and the crew.

Just an idea.

378. Tiberius Subprime - November 18, 2011

@375
Klingons feature prominently? Cool. I can dig it.
But as a nomadic sect causing trouble?
Isn’t that similar to what Nero and his crew were doing?

And how can the tribbles be carnivorous? The alternate timeline was created by the Narada incursion. That event itself could not change the nature of the creatures in the universe, but only the lives of the people directly involved.

Unless, of coruse, this really is a completely different universe, like what happened in “Mirror, Mirror.”

But I doubt it, because that is not what JJ and crew have said to us.

Confused much?
I am.

379. VulcanFilmCritic - November 18, 2011

@372 Keachick.

Look, what show are you watching??? This is Star Trek.
You don’t know who Landru is, or what “Festival” is, and you don’t seem to realize that Mr. Spock is a Vulcan! I suggest you watch some classic episodes to brush up on the story.

There are many characters in literature who (for what ever reason) do not allow themselves the luxury of normal human relationships. The classic metaphor is, of course, Sampson and Delilah. Sampson is a superman until he falls in love and allows his hair to be cut. (I do hope you understand metaphor. Perhaps I’m assuming too much, but I will proceed.)

On Star Trek TOS (in case you hadn’t noticed) Spock is denied the pleasures of normal human relationships. His devotion to the Vulcan way prohibits this. Even discussing his impending marriage is painfully embarrassing to him. He cannot laugh or cry unless released from his emotional bonds by space viruses or spores or whatever. That is the heart of this character.

In modern literature we have the butler in “The Remains of the Day” beautifully portrayed by Sir anthony Hopkins in the film, who comes to the brink of declaring his love for one of the other servants, but his duty comes first. And he painfully suppresses his desire rather than be distracted from his duties as butler.

Now I know you people who write “fan fiction” would like to convert Star Trek into a schmaltzy soap opera where Spock walks happily off into the sunset hand in hand with the future Mrs. Spock (or other Mr. Spock, as the case may be) but in the interest of real drama, that just ain’t gonna happen.

380. Mark Lynch - November 18, 2011

Why are so many people going on about the Genesis planet?
It doesn’t get created until 15 years after Khan was first encountered. This amount of time was actually specifically mentioned in TWOK. Kirk says “There’s a man I haven’t seen in fifteen years, who’s trying to kill me.”
And before you go on about “it’s an alternate time-line…” Are we going to say that in this other time-line, technology is two decades more advanced for no apparent reason?

Unless the writers are daft, or worse, don’t care. We will not be getting a Genesis planet or Khan.

For better or worse we have new Trek. Lets tell some new stories. With some nods to the originals. But no rip-offs or remakes, please.

381. Mark Lynch - November 18, 2011

VulcanFilmCritic – 379
“On Star Trek TOS (in case you hadn’t noticed) Spock is denied the pleasures of normal human relationships. His devotion to the Vulcan way prohibits this. Even discussing his impending marriage is painfully embarrassing to him. He cannot laugh or cry unless released from his emotional bonds by space viruses or spores or whatever. That is the heart of this character.”

I think you just nailed in the words how I felt the Spock character had been let down in ST 2009. The transporter pad scene where he was tongue twisting with Uhura was particularly cringe worthy and detrimental to the Vulcan character.

382. Khan 2.0 - November 18, 2011

@354 – yeah, id be way more jazzed if the rumours were about the borg…(or khan)

ideally id like it’ll go thus – Trek 2 = Klingons (with botany bay cameo)…Trek 3 = Khan…Trek 4 (if they do a 4th) = the borg

maybe incorperate something about the prime timeline in one of the sequels as well…i.e. we get a glimpse at how things were in the original timeline somehow

383. Captain Hackett - November 18, 2011

William Shatner on Piers Morgan tonight at 9 p.m.!

I just want to give you a head up. :)

384. TrekMadeMeWonder - November 18, 2011

The Borg is w e a k idea! Always was. No real drama or any morals learned in any of those TNG storylines.

Sorry Khan 2.0. My opinion. You sound a bit too much like a NG-Only fan for my tastes.

385. Janice - November 18, 2011

#370
I hope you’re very wrong about Pike being sacrificed.
I don’t want to see anything bad happen to that character–there was enough of that in the 2009 movie. I’d much rather see him be a hero this time around—saving Kirk or someone else would do it nicely. Pike’s my favourite—so NO Delta rays!

386. Vince - November 18, 2011

Knowing JJ Abrams, it will be a 2 parter and on a ridiculous epic cliffhanger.

387. Johnson 12 - November 18, 2011

@374. Keachick

“What does “io9″ mean?”

http://www.io9.com, is a cool Sci-Fi entertainment site.

388. Anthony Thompson - November 18, 2011

384. TrekMadeMeWonder

You’re still around? I thought you would have been banned by now. Did you apologize to Bob and Anthony P.?

389. Planet Pandro - November 18, 2011

I think the Klingons-as-Taliban works. The Klingons were stand-ins for the Russians in the 60’s (right?), so it makes sense to move that allegory to today’s feared threat against us. Totally down with that! The tribbles, however…well, let’s just hope it isn’t so…keep ‘em furry, friendly, and out of the next movie.
BTW just re-watched Day of the Dove and I can totally see Benicio Del Toro as Kang…not that it’s where they’re going with this, but still…

390. AJ - November 18, 2011

If the boys have brought in the Klingons for this round, they should definitely avoid the drunkard comic-relief buffoons as portrayed in the “DS-9″ version of Star Trek. Keep them fierce, and focused on doing bad things.

391. Red Dead Ryan - November 18, 2011

Four friggin’ years between movies, and we get Klingon Taliban and carnivorous Tribbles?? Talk about lack of originality!

Say it ain’t so!

392. Red Dead Ryan - November 18, 2011

Anyway, the Jem’ Hadar pretty much served as Trek’s version of the Taliban. Though the Jem’ Hadar weren’t religious, they were still fanatically devoted to their “gods” (Founders) and were willing to carry out suicide attacks against their enemies. Just like the Taliban remain devoted to their god and the now-dead Osama Bin Laden. The Taliban continue suicide attacks almost daily.

The Jem’Hadar were brutal in “Deep Space Nine”, and the Taliban are brutal in real life. Both willing to fight to the death.

393. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 18, 2011

#379 – So you discount my views (and those of the current writers/producers) on how the character of the Vulcan/HUMAN Spock might be explored because I didn’t know what Landru was? One episode among 79 from the TOS Trek and not an episode that gets mentioned a lot either.

What makes it weird is how so many people are trying to deny the fact that Spock is also HUMAN. His mother was a HUMAN woman. When Amanda died of old age in the prime universe, Sarek went off and married ANOTHER human woman. Therefore, even though Spock was brought up on Vulcan and was well versed in Vulcan ways, the nature of his parents’ relationship and who they were, had the biggest influence on Spock’s way of forming relationships. Why do you think he spent most of his time among humans, rather than vulcans? Why wouldn’t he necessarily form a relationship with a human woman? He saw his own father do it, not just once bringing about his creation, but twice. So what Star Trek were you watching?

Amok Time was a product of its time and in many ways, it was pretty damn stupid. In that episode, we are lead to believe that Kirk does not know anything about the Vulcan Pon Farr, even though, the humans and vulcans have been more than acquainted for over 100 years at this point. We are supposed to believe that there was no empirical information available about Vulcan physiology, including reproduction, nor cultural mores etc. and that none of this would have been required reading at Starfleet Academy. As for Spock’s “logic” portrayed in Amok Time, there was nothing logical about it at all. When Spock was going into the state of Pon Farr, his two friends and educated colleagues, Kirk and Dr McCoy, should have quickly recognised the state and done what was necessary to help Spock. They would have been reminded and forewarned by a calmer and more logical Spock.

In Amok Time, Spock also said that he hoped that he would have been able to avoid Pon Farr. Well, there is only one way that he could believe that to be possible – because his HUMAN side was more dominant in this respect.

Spock chose to deny himself certain pleasures in TOS, out of fear and a certain lack of maturity (not only on the part of the character but also on the part of the writers at the time). It is clear that Leonard Nimoy wanted this corrected in this time line, because he did have quite a lot of influence on what happened to the young Spock and how he should be played by Zachary Quinto. If showing a different side to Spock than we have seen before is OK with Leonard Nimoy, then it is OK by me!
So Amok Time was “real drama” as opposed to…? Give me a bleedin’ break.

“Now I know you people who write “fan fiction” would like to convert Star Trek into a schmaltzy soap opera where Spock walks happily off into the sunset hand in hand with the future Mrs. Spock (or other Mr. Spock, as the case may be) but in the interest of real drama, that just ain’t gonna happen.”

“Fan fiction” as opposed to “real fiction” and “real drama” as opposed to “false drama”, I suppose.

“you people”? Now that is just downright rude.

Right now, I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. I don’t read romance novels, except for two, when I was about 18/20. Even my better half has never seen me as the “romantic”, “Schmaltzy soap opera” type – quite the opposite in fact.

So, we might get to see a short scene where Uhura encourages Spock to take a little R&R on the planet Risa with her and we see them walking off somewhere in the sunset. I take it that the tongue twisting that people mention here is the part where Spock and Uhura quietly talk to each and she gives him a very chaste kiss on closed lips.

Showing encounters such as the ones above is not the end of Star Trek, as some people here seem to fear. It enhances Star Trek by giving audiences a background to the people who devote their working lives to exploring the galaxy and upholding the values deemed important for themselves, to Starfleet and the Federation.

394. Vultan - November 18, 2011

#392

Good points, Ryan.

DS9 was ahead of its time in that regard, though I’m sure Imperial Japan was probably their main inspiration at the time (kamikaze pilots and their devotion to the Emperor, etc.).

395. Red Dead Ryan - November 18, 2011

#393.

Yeah, Spock and Uhura, hanging out together on Risa. (Rolls eyes). Now that’s what we all want to see. (Sarcasm!)

Look, Keachick, I understand that you don’t mind changing who the characters are, but some of us here would like to see them stay true to themselves. Spock might be half-human, but what made him so popular in the first place is his cold detachment from humanity, at least during the TOS years. And some of us would rather see Uhura do her job as a communications expert! If the writers want to explore the Spock/Uhura relationship, fine, but keep them as good friends. They shouldn’t be lovers.

SHEESH!

396. rm10019 - November 18, 2011

360 – My pleasure, sometimes we need to remind ourselves what is at the heart of Trek, and why we love it so much. Yes, I think sometime in the next 10 years, there will me a new show, live action or animated featuring new lead characters in the Trek universe.

397. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 18, 2011

So it bothers you all that much that Spock and Uhura might be having sex occasionally? So friends can’t hang out on Risa? (rolls eyes)

What is your problem?

SHEESH!

398. rm10019 - November 18, 2011

360 – oh and if you are asking specifically about a film, with new lead characters in the Trek universe, I would say no, not anytime soon if ever. I’m not saying it couldn’t be done, but not likely.

399. rm10019 - November 18, 2011

395 – I’m afraid you have a very narrow view of the character of Uhura. Yes, having Spock choose a different path romantically is a change, but remember he did love Leila Kalomi in TOS, he just could’t express it well and act on it without spores.

We did she Uhura ‘do her job’ in Trek 09, she also happened to be in a romantic relationship with Spock now. The writers could go anywhere they like with this. They could even decide to have Spock pull back from it, and be a bit more like Nimoy’s Spock in TOS, and that would be a very dramatic and heartbreaking moment for Uhura.

400. NevadaJason - November 18, 2011

Hmmm… the museum…. my initial thought was Star Fleet Academy but we already saw a library used for that at least in part in the first movie in this time line.

401. rm10019 - November 18, 2011

400 – I’m going to guess Memory Alpha, but who knows! (other than Bob and few others :)

402. Commodore Adams - November 18, 2011

@167. Keachick. Yes TWOK is wonderful on blu-ray on a big plasma. I for one want to see a Klingon story over Khan. But then there are those who are against Klingons saying they have been overdone and its time for a new Khan. Neither of us is right or wrong. But I do agree with you, no Khan, no Borg. Klingons are a staple of Star Trek and would love a Klingon centric film. I would have no problem with Khan being involved somehow like 176. Khan 2.0 said. I these nomadic Klingons find Khan or vise versa and team up, it would indeed be an original story. The beautiful thing about this alternate universe is that anything can be used with some added twists.

@172. Jay. “I think JJ and this crew is all about telling a story that hasn’t been told before.” And that is exactly what I am looking forward to!
—————————————————————————————-

Since the 2009 movie made more than double the budget I am hoping that the new movie has a higher budget. Even it it had the same budget, since many of the Enterprise sets are in storage there are many other places they can allocate the money to. So if they have a larger budget, fantastic! If not, the $150 million would still make a fantastic movie.

403. SciFiGuy - November 18, 2011

Bob, Spock should leave Uhura for George and Gracie — the 20th century whales who phased over into the alternate timeline to seek out the alt timeline whale probe!!

404. SciFiGuy - November 18, 2011

Khan could come riding into Feceration space on the back of George the whale saying “from hell’s heart I stab at theeeee!!! Although why I don’t know cos I haven’t met any of you people yet!” :-) Laugh you maroons!! You know it’s funny!! HAHA!!!!

LL&P

405. Commodore Adams - November 18, 2011

@180. MONGO. But Mongo, you no want see Khan and Klingons nomads team ups? I no want see dies and I no want see story I know from past. I want see new movie, but I want see Khan’s Klingon.

406. SciFiGuy - November 18, 2011

I want to see Nomad exxxterminaaaate the Klingons! Now THERE’s a story!!!

407. Vultan - November 18, 2011

#395 & #397

I think this is why Trek needs a completely new ship and crew—new characters that can explore these sort of infinite combinations without changing the face of classic Trek to something completely different, which can be perceived as sensationalism (or worse).

Such is the danger of remakes. A new universe is great, and was a great idea for the ailing franchise, but by going back to the classic characters the filmmakers may have painted themselves into a corner—trying to please old fans, trying to please new fans, with the higher probability of good storytelling getting lost in the shuffle.

The reboot (let’s face it—that’s what it is) was done to shed Trek of its 40 years worth of baggage, but like an airport carousel, the bags may very well be coming around again.

Time perhaps for a new flight? ;)

408. Robman007 - November 18, 2011

Nomadic Klingons and killer tribbles. Lame. I sure hope not…waiting 4 years to see that would be kinda depressing. Besides, there was a tribble in the new Trek movie and it looked and sounded pretty tame.

How could Nero coming in, killing 47 Klingon ships, killing George Kirk and destroying Vulcan lead to tribbles somehow mutating and ruining the Klingon homeworld and turning the race into the taliban? Makes zero sense.

I refuse to believe that’s the case.

If it’s true, the long delays and the silly premise will help in completely ruining any momentum that the last film built up in brining Trek back. The momentum with the non-trek fans (and even some trek fans) that the last movie built up is already fading with the constant delaying…urgh!

409. MONGO - November 18, 2011

Mongo want see new story. Mongo haves lot’s dvd of Khan. He have turn as bad guy. If any more movie story about Khan Mongo afraid he start to be like Riddler in Batman movies.

Mongo rather see Star Trek movie that not have bad guy. Mongo think if antagonist in movie why try faceless threat. Whale Probe faceless threat. That good movie and have no bad guy. Borg good faceless threat because remind of invading horde like Hun or Visigoth.

Mongo not want Borg or Whale Probe in movie but give idea. Mongo think that new movie probably rely on bad guy. Mongo think movie maker persons want tie movies together and not make stand alone story. That seem way movie work these days. Mongo hope that movie maker persons look to TOS for idea how write story. Look at Cage. Look at Errand of Mercy. Look at Bread and Circuses. Look at Doomsday Machine. Look at Devil in the Dark. Look at Spectre of the Gun.

Have drama come from unknown place. Have conflict come from not understanding unknown. Give crew chance to work as team. No more Spock choke Kirk. Kirk hero. Spock and Dr. McCoy different end of spectrum for Kirk to weigh decision.

Whatever do, not wait so long for movie. Mongo not have long attention span.

410. Commodore Adams - November 18, 2011

@182. Bart. If Trelane is covered in the Ongoing comic book series he wont be in the movie. It is said that the Ongoing comic book will tie in the two movies the way the Countdown comic tied in the prime universe with the new one. Ongoing comics #1 and 2 dealt with Gary Mitchell. #3 is coming out soon and I know that #4 and 5 deal with OPERATION: ANNIHILATE! Which is the end of the first season. So the first season of TOS covered in 6 comic books. Since TOS only covered 3 seasons of a 5 year voyage I can only assume that the comics will cover the three seasons and the movie will be after that but before TMP somewhere in the 4th or 5th year of the voyage. Since the animated series is not canon, its ripe for the taking.

@189. Jay. Agreed, its probably a minor part.

@199. PEB. I don’t know anything about the Star Trek console game except what was shown at E3 2011. But I love that it like the Ongoing comic series will tie into the new movie, that is exciting. I am glad that Orci rallied for such things.

411. Jonathan - November 18, 2011

409: Nice, agree.

412. Jim - November 18, 2011

RE: THE MUSEUM IN QUESTION

Didn’t they film on location, outside, at a “modern museum” in the TOS episode with the flying pancake creatures?…………… I would look it up but I’m feeling lazy right now.

Anyone?

413. captain_neill - November 18, 2011

I read the first issue of the Ongoing comic and as expected I found it just too derivitive of the classic second pilot that introduced Kirk.

414. Commodore Adams - November 18, 2011

@409. MONGO. Understand I now what you say. But me no want faceless whale probe Borg v’ger hole. How can say you Khan no good but Borg ok? Borg no make Kirk attack. Borg no even make Picard attack until Q make troubles…oh but Archer people make trouble, wake up sleeping beauty Borg in arctic, Borg send text message home and Borg come get in Kirk time? That could be good. But is still same universe with little different. Khan make little difference, Borg make big difference… might well say Borg Klingon Khan. What bout Klingon Hun fight make challenge for crew but no boss bad guy? Is ok? Orci man say no outside show only TOS show ideas so no Borg. Mongo… I want coconuts back.

415. Commodore Adams - November 18, 2011

Just a comment I posted on Treknews and wanted to post it here regarding a new TV series.

The one thing is that there have not been any epic sci fi shows on TV except for Battlestar. The Stargate series and Dr. Who could never cover for an epic show like Star Trek. Look at Terra Nova and lets see how long that lasts. The question is not whether another Star Trek series would be good or bad but are there any other sci fi shows giving us that fix we need. Right now I would say No. There are no sci fi shows on TV that I am watching unless it is syndicated Star Trek or Stargate. If no sci fi can fill that void, then I would say yes, we need a new Star Trek, with a new crew, nothing redone but with the essence and wonder that the original series had. Lets go a new part of the galaxy or further in the future and deal with new species and new challenges. Its hard to say not to rehash anything but even in life there are only so many challenges we will face but we will face them over and over in different scenarios. So there is a limit to how many challenges can be constructed. Voyager was the only Star Trek series that did not deal with Alpha/Beta quadrant issues as a main premise. Voyager was a great idea but it was poorly executed. A new Star Trek series has to stand on its own without solely relying on what has come before.

416. Odkin - November 18, 2011

Thanks to Red Dead Ryan for expressing my exact thoughts re: Spock/Uhura.

Men seem to see Spock being about melancholy, lonlieness and noble self-denial. Women seem to see him as a sex/marriage object that they want to “help”.make happy.

Seems like men and women really haven’t changed much in 45 years.That’s why Nimoy used to get so many female fan letters.

Think of Spock like a priest. He has VOWED to behave a certain way, no matter what he feels or thinks. Wishing or offering him a little fun on the side is a complete corruption of the character, and honestly a total disrespect of their vow.

417. MONGO - November 18, 2011

Mongo know how Khan story go: He lose.

Mongo see enough of Khan already. And Mongo read all book about Khan. Mongo have fill. Mongo understand other peoples want more Khan story.

Mongo not one of them.

418. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 18, 2011

What vow did prime Spock make? Whatever it was, the younger alternate Spock stepped away from that.

It was more than obvious when the young Spock stood before the council at the Vulcan Science Academy and ANOTHER slight was made against his mother, with his own father standing there allowing his own wife and Spock’s mother to be denigrated, that Spock decided to turn away from the Vulcan way. He had had a guts full of the Vulcan way. The way he said the words, “Live long and prosper” showed it all. Sarek was a bloody wimp to allow the council man to speak about his own wife and Spock’s mother in that way.

So, I guess that is how you see your relationships – as just “having a little fun on the side”, whatever that might mean. How can anyone, including Spock, be corrupted by being in a loving (and possibly intimate) relationship? UNBELIEVABLE!

No, some women don’t like seeing men, even characters like Spock and Kirk, being masochistic twats!

419. somethoughts - November 18, 2011

Red Shirt for Mongo

420. somethoughts - November 18, 2011

#416

1000% correct, only romance I want in the sequel is Kirk womanizing hotties. If I wanted romance in space, I would watch Avatar or Insurrection lol

/flex rawr

I love cooking for my wife, but I also love when she makes me a sandwhich and fetches me a beer! :)

421. somethoughts - November 18, 2011

On a serious note, rdr and keachick let’s agree to disagree and accept each others beliefs and interests. All here to have good discussions without insulting each other.

GROUP HUG ;)

422. NuFan - November 18, 2011

Maybe they will be zombie tribbles.

423. VulcanFilmCritic - November 18, 2011

@385 Janice.

I agree. I admired how Bruce Greenwood portrayed Captain Pike, and I would love to see him continue as the permanent captain. Where is it written that James T. Kirk must immediately become the captain? If you read the Hornblower stories, there are many steps on the road to command. It would be fascinating to see the Enterprise from a view other than the bridge. It might be fun seeing the Enterprise from the viewpoint of an ensign or lieutenant in the weapons department or engineering or from a security officer who gets to roam all over the ship, which is where Kirk should be now.

Spock is several pay grades above him, remember. It would be great to see just how Kirk is able to leapfrog over the better officer and eventually take command. ‘How to Succeed On Board the Enterprise” so to speak, especially if Kirk is a little bit of a rake. Let’s face it, at this point Kirk and Spock are not particularly heroic nor likable. They are brave, daring, maybe, but not up to hero status…yet.

Bruce Greenwood’s Pike really gets to me! I would sign up for Starfleet tomorrow and follow him into battle in a heartbeat. He has the stature, the looks and the voicing of a hero. And this is an alternate timeline, so maybe nothing happens to him and he can continue as the captain. At lest for a few movies.

P. S. I haven’t forgotten about you Keachick. Your understanding of who Spock is is just so WRONG, I just don’t know where to begin, as
381 Mark Lynch points out.
But its late and I’m too tired to attempt to educate you.

424. Anthony Pascale - November 18, 2011

Red Dead Ryan and Keachik
Lets stop the bickering OK

425. On Vacation With Landru - November 18, 2011

#418 Nearly everything that happened in the 2009 movie happened in an alternate universe created when Nero time-travelled. Even if Spock was born BEFORE the incident, the Prime vs. ’09 Spock realities diverged once Nero came back. Therefore, what baby Spock (as my mother calls him. Hee!) experienced at the Vulcan Science Academy is not necessarily what Spock Prime dealt with. He is not just *young* Spock, he is a different Spock altogether.

You really seem unfamiliar with the whole of the franchise outside of the 2009 movie which really puts you at a disadvantage when discussing things like Spock.

If you were familiar with the franchise, Keachick, you would know that Vulcans were/are ahead of human development. It is perfectly logical that they would not share all their secrets with even their closest allies. No one expected Spock to volunteer the information that he was even capable of losing control of his emotions and reveal this information to his human captain nor to the human physician. He was a very private person and private people do not go around telling people about their sex lives. Spock Prime’s goal in life was to PURGE emotion. Given that Spock Prime remarked that the timeline was trying to repair itself, it is not at all surprising that fans accustomed to their subtle Mr. Spock would want/expect to see the kissing thing turned down a notch.

Personally, I do not find the Spock/Uhura thing to be wrong – I think his sly looks at her in TOS support the possibility of such a match. I just don’t want to see Spock sucking face somewhere other than the privacy of his quarters – its just not in his nature to be that emotional in front of others – Prime or not.

It is not like we really got a good look at Spock on a normal day in the film.

I don’t think fans would be thrilled with Risa when there were other vacation planets in TOS – there is no need to step beyond TOS for material.

Similar to your other post, I find it offensive that you would judge someone’s personality and their personal relationships on how they want Spock represented in film. Seriously? Stop throwing stones while shouting at everyone else to stop hitting you.

At this point, I would not be surprised if we don’t start off on the Shore Leave planet with some guest spots to cover events we’ve missed. Maybe we’ll be able to find out more about the Fabrini or Kalandans. Some bad episodes still had interesting (or potentially interesting) aliens that could be used instead of the more well-known main baddies of Trek.

426. Anthony Pascale - November 18, 2011

RE: other Internet rumors
I wouldn’t believe every rumor you read on the Internet, especially from sites that has never had any track record.

When something is credible and/or verifiable it is reported here.

427. Jai - November 18, 2011

Anthony Pascale,

I left a perfectly reasonable comment here a few hours ago with some polite thoughts about the idea of Klingons being “nomadic warriors” and the idea of Tribbles destroying the Klingon homeword. The comment wasn’t remotely trollish, it wasn’t off-topic, there were no links to other websites, it was quite short, and I haven’t been sockpuppeting.

However, one of the Trekmovie moderators seems to have randomly targeted it for deletion. This has now been happening repeatedly to my comments, on multiple threads and involving multiple topics. My comments aren’t being caught in the filter either; they display perfectly fine on the threads, but are clearly manually removed a short time later.

I’d be grateful if you could please let me know why this is repeatedly occurring.

428. Commodore Adams - November 18, 2011

@427 Jai. Same thing has happened to me a few times.

429. Craiger - November 18, 2011

I think I know how the next movies are going to go. I just read that article about the new Trek comic OPERATION: ANNIHILATE!, I think they are just going to redo old TOS episodes and reboot them for a new audience. Didn’t Orci say if you read the new comics set in the new TOS universe that is how the new movies will go. It’s basically TOS for the big screen.

http://trekmovie.com/2011/11/18/trekink-star-trek-comics-news-roundup/

430. Commodore Adams - November 18, 2011

I also want to see some federation ships, we barely see any in the films and if we do, its all to brief. I loved the scene leaving space dock and rushing to Vulcan but it was maybe 10 seconds worth. I want some nice beauty shot. I want to see this vast armada we all know of. We know the federation has hundreds of ships…lets see em. Yea it costs money but do it.

431. Commodore Adams - November 18, 2011

@267. somethoughts. NO DOUBT! I have watched some of Del Toro’s interviews and he is not the most eloquent man, nor does he have a vast personal lexicon but man, can he act! He is fantastic in every role. If he was playing Khan, I could see the grin on my face. I am not rooting for Khan but I can’t say I am 100% against it.

432. dmduncan - November 18, 2011

380: “And before you go on about “it’s an alternate time-line…” Are we going to say that in this other time-line, technology is two decades more advanced for no apparent reason?”

The reason would be very apparent, and you dismissed it at the outset: An alternate universe MEANS it’s a universe where things may indeed happen differently and at different times, with no logical inconsistency or need to explain why — other than by appealing to changes in the course of events an alternate timeline can be expected to cause — things happened differently, i.e., perhaps earlier and by different people.

Since there is no inconsistent fictional reason why a different set of people could not have created the same technology at an earlier time in an alternate universe, then it’s a valid story move to make.

All that would be really required to be consistent is that the technology be developed after Nero’s incursion and before Dr. Marcus’s contributions.

Indeed, how do you know one of Dr. Marcus’ parents wasn’t killed on the Kelvin before she was conceived? ;-)

You seem to be suggesting that it should happen in the alternate universe the same way and at the same time as it happened in the prime universe, which argument would fail to appreciate exactly what lattitude in storytelling the use of an alternate universe timeline provides. Alternate MEANS that some things do NOT have to happen in the same way or even by the same people.

But if you have some logical reason why it could not happen that way, I’m listening.

433. dmduncan - November 18, 2011

Here’s one scenario how it could have happened: Carol Marcus was never conceived, either because her father was killed on the Kelvin or because what happened to the Kelvin prevented her parents from meeting and conceiving her.

Carol Marcus’s mother was a scientist with an interest in developing the technology that would in the Prime Universe become known as Genesis; in the prime universe Carol Marcus grew up around and absorbed her mother’s interest and work in developing Genesis.

Since Carol Marcus was never conceived in the alternate universe, her mother did not have to balance raising a daughter with an intense career of scientific discovery, and as a result she devoted much more time to her studies and made crucial breakthroughs much sooner that allowed her to develop the technology much earlier.

434. dmduncan - November 18, 2011

Why not?

435. somethoughts - November 18, 2011

I just see it as a group of creative people telling new stories with the TOS cree with better technology and more time and money.

I dont need a sci fi idea like alternate reality to convince me its real and not a reboot. I watch it and enjoy it, like bond, batman or superman.

436. dmduncan - November 18, 2011

So you see what I’m saying? According to that scenario, Dr. Carol Marcus ends up completing her mother’s work, which is consistent with TWOK.

But in the alternate universe her mother completes it earlier on her own because she never has a child and never has to split her resources and attention between two huge tasks.

437. dmduncan - November 18, 2011

And that is one of the benefits that comes from making the choice to reboot the universe through MWI, and why I’m so glad Bob did it that way. Because then you can have scenes between Kirk and the woman who would have been Carol Marcus’s mom, and though the average moviegoer won’t be keyed into what that means, for those of us who are fans it ‘s a nice little treat of something extra to think about.

That’s the kind of possibility that the MWI solution created. I think it’s wonderful.

438. TrekWebmaster - November 18, 2011

This is good. Y’all have any cadet positions open on that ship of yours Jim-Boy?

439. On Vacation With Landru - November 18, 2011

#436 Anything could be justified with enough rationalization – this is science fiction, after all.

I just do not get the point of WHY they should re-hash anything when there are so many other things they could do that have not been touched since TOS aired.

I think there were a lot of crummy episodes in both TOS and TAS that could easily be woven together to make a great movie. And yes, I think even Spock’s Brain could be rescued…but maybe not Plato’s Stepchildren. =p

I would LOVE to see Finnegan and Kirk being close friends, though. Kirk isn’t the bookworm he was in the Prime universe. I could totally see them trading stories now.

440. dmduncan - November 18, 2011

439: “#436 Anything could be justified with enough rationalization – this is science fiction, after all.”

Not rationalization. Writing.

“I just do not get the point of WHY they should re-hash anything when there are so many other things they could do that have not been touched since TOS aired.”

Why “rehash” Star Trek at all, when there are so many SF properties that have never been developed?

My answer to that is the same as Gene Roddenberry’s: Someone will come along and do it bigger and better than ever before.

That plus the fact that I really like Star Trek a lot makes it worthwhile a pursuit to me. Why would it be rehashing to do Khan or some other TOS premise but NOT be rehashing to do Star Trek with Kirk, Spock, McCoy, etc? And if you don’t object to the latter being rehashed, then how can you consistently object to the former?

Whether the sequel is about Khan, Klingons, or flesh eating Tribbles, where you draw the line of what you do and do not want to see all over again is peculiar to you, and not a matter of what is good or bad Star Trek.

To object to Khan, for example, in principle is really to say that there is no way to tell a compelling story around him, which may be true for those who CAN’T see such a story. But it says nothing at all about those who CAN.

I literally do not care what the sequel is about. I just want it to be good. And Khan or Klingons do not preclude that. I actually think it’s trivial to focus on that question as if the answer was a measure of quality, when it is not.

441. dmduncan - November 18, 2011

439: “And yes, I think even Spock’s Brain could be rescued”

I AGREE with you! Star Trek is STILL proving how remarkably prescient a show it was.

I realized that yet again when I also realized that the computerized thingy the women of Spock’s Brain used to make themselves temporarily smarter now exists.

It’s called Google! You Google things, the results go into your short term memory, you become temporarily smarter, and the next day you’re back to “brain and brain! What is brain!?”

442. dmduncan - November 18, 2011

Nothing beats books, a good lamp, and a nice chair.

443. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 18, 2011

I was using Risa as an example of where a couple could go to take some R&R. The name of the world is irrelevant in this context…

Star Trek 09 is also an update, relevant to much of the knowledge and understanding gained about psychology and physiology etc since the 1960s.

I suspect that a lot of the philosophy behind the creation of the Spock character had to do with the introduction of Eastern religion and philosophies into western culture at the time – like yoga and Hindu/Buddhist ideology, which was misunderstood by many. Buddhism was, still is by some, seen as a means of doing away with emotion and being “detached” and “unattached”. The character of Spock was to embody that “enlightened” state or to be seen as working towards that state of being. It was understood to be more evolved, except that like Spock, the writers and Gene Roddenberry did not fully understand what these philosophies, particularly Buddhism, was actually pointing to.

Gene Roddenberry also seemed to need to create Spock as a person who was somehow able to escape, avoid difficult emotional states that often occur when a person is trying to relate to another on a very personal, and often intimate level, by simply avoiding any such relationships. Kirk was meant to portray someone as being almost the complete opposite – a girl in every port – promiscuous and free of emotional attachments, but getting “it” all the same. This was buying into the “free love” notion that became all pervasive in the late 60s and 70s. Both characters exemplified avoidance and unhealthy detachment. However, this was somehow seen as more evolved, especially in the case of Spock.

As far as I know, at no time, did I ever hear that either Kirk or Spock had taken vows of celibacy (abstention from marriage or sex) and neither of them belonged to any religious order. If I am incorrect, please point me to the exact series, episode, act and scene. Audiences have assumed that this must be the case for Spock in particular, but, unless I see concrete evidence to the contrary, this is a fabrication held within some people’s minds and really has little to do with the Spock character, either in prime TOS universe, or this alternate universe.

What the writers, along with Leonard Nimoy, have done is to create a more balanced individual in this younger Spock, but who also has his own peculiar difficulties to overcome, because he is part human and part vulcan and simply as a result of being alive.

I find it amazing how some have taken me to task for defending how Spock has been portrayed in this movie incarnation, yet I doubt they would dare take Leonard Nimoy to task. Yet, he is the one you really should be directing your various objections to. It is incredible to think that Leonard Nimoy and the writers could get the character of Spock so “wrong”, but there you go.

I guess that Bob Orci and the writing/producing team, as well as Leonard Nimoy (Mr Spock) just have to accept that they know nothing about the character or his potential and that certain people here on this site do.

There you go, Bob Orci – you’ve been told!

444. NCM - November 18, 2011

Vulcan Film Critic on Vacation with Landru

@370: That’s the best plot summary/proposal I’ve read for the next movie – and by golly, you can write!

@393: You make Spock sound like a neurotic human with pointed ears. Fans loved him not most for the ears, but for his efforts to be a Vulcan. Prime made peace with his human half after decades of hard-won lessons. Would you have this Spock skip that journey?

Amok Time was hailed as one of the best episodes, and it was among the most popular – precisely because fans were intrigued by all things Vulcan – the planet, the people, the customs. (Human? Been there; done that.)

At the time in which things ran Amok, why would the Vulcans have divulged details of their biological vulnerabilities to other races? Such issues had heretofore been addressed within Vulcan society; not by human physicians. Spock was the first Vulcan in Starfleet (those on Intrepid could address needs without human intervention). There would have been tremendous pressure on Spock not to reveal the most private and unsettling aspects of his father’s race. Given his desire not to remain on, or return to, Vulcan, it’s understandable that he might have hoped, as he indicated, that his human blood would temper the burn and meditation would take him the rest of the way.

Also, remember that both Spocks left Vulcan. There’s no reason to assume that one departure scenario differed substantially from the other.

Nimoy didn’t help write the storyline for new Spock. He shared with Quinto his interpretations of Spock’s character and duality.

In his TOS time, Nimoy fought hard to keep Spock in character; that is, Vulcan character. In his biography, he admits he rallied against Naked Time and This Side of Paradise, initially, because of the romantic parts for Spock. He once said it was ridiculous to think of Spock romantically.

445. NCM - November 18, 2011

416. Odkin – November 18, 2011

“Men seem to see Spock being about melancholy, lonlieness and noble self-denial. Women seem to see him as a sex/marriage object that they want to “help”.make happy.

Odkin, I think most women viewed TOS Spock the way you depict men having seen him: We just like the view even better. He was aloof, alone, out-of-reach; had great sensitivity, integrity, intelligence, physical and emotional strength – all things which made him wonderfully intriguing.

In the original pilot, he smiled freely; later, not so much. Spock’s been made and remade before. It’s happening again. I hope this time ’round, he’ll also move from the more emotive Spock to the more ‘classic’ Spock – before perhaps coming full circle.

446. Dr. Spaceman - November 19, 2011

the premise will involve benicio del klingon kidnapping spock prime to torture him into divulging all his strategically valuable future knowledge. The enterprise crew will warp to hawaii, where benicio has a timeshare, to save olde spock. Clint “baylock” howard (all growed up and still bug-ug) will be serving tranya coladas at the honolulu hilton tiki bar. Nimoy will get a big death scene in the end as he sacrifices himself to save nukirk and to get out of his contract. Sulu will have a surfing accident and alice will throw out her hip doing the hula.

Now pay me my script fee.

447. Jai - November 19, 2011

Commodore Adams, re: #428:

“@427 Jai. Same thing has happened to me a few times”.

Very odd. Also very irritating.

Anyway, here’s a slightly modified version of my comment again. Nothing particularly controversial, so that makes its earlier deletion even weirder.

There are a couple of problems with this supposed storyline involving “Klingons as a nomadic sect/nomadic warriors” and Tribbles:

The “nomadic warriors” thing has already been done before on Star Trek, namely the Hirogen and the Kazon, although I guess it hasn’t been depicted in any of the movies yet.

The bigger issue is that there’s a massive plot hole with this idea. Even if the Klingon homeworld did collapse, it wouldn’t turn the entire species into nomads. Klingons have an empire, remember; they don’t just live on Quo’nos and nowhere else. The loss of their homeworld would cause the empire to disintegrate, but it would break up into smaller states/kingdoms under the control of local Klingon warlords. There are plenty of real life precedents for all this, such as what happened to Alexander the Great’s empire after his death, or much later during the collapse of India’s Mughal Empire.

Quo’nos becoming uninhabitable because of Tribbles sounds like a really bad joke and I hope the suggestion was someone just kidding around. The writers could get away with the idea of the planet succumbing to some kind of infestation, but using Tribbles seriously risks turning the movie into a parody.

448. Janice - November 19, 2011

#423
Yes—I agree with all you said about Pike/ Bruce Greenwood.
I’m a huge fan of that actor and really want to see him in the sequel—with nothing really bad happening to him(Pike).
I’d LOVE it if Pike were to continue on in future Trek movies.

449. AJ - November 19, 2011

I really want to know what that ‘famous Star Trek location’ is that they are filming at the museum in L.A.

I could take Kirk visiting his brother (Johnny/Sam, whatever) on Deneva, at the old TRW complex as a firm “wink” to the fans. But it’s kind of a ‘meh’ one, if they do. We’ve already seen SFA and SFC done up the wazoo, the former in the last film a la JJ. I draw a blank.

450. dmduncan - November 19, 2011

447: “Quo’nos becoming uninhabitable because of Tribbles sounds like a really bad joke”

Klingons routed by TRIBBLES??? Why they wouldn’t be able to exterminate them without PETA to tie their hands is beyond me.

Filed in the “highly unlikely” column.

451. dmduncan - November 19, 2011

449. AJ – November 19, 2011

I’m thinking it’s specific to an episode. It could be a generic location, like Starfleet HQ, but if whoever said the location was “famous” was choosing his words correctly, I would think generic locations like that don’t fit the description. I’m thinking it’s someplace we’ve seen before — or have heard about but never seen.

But why choose a museum? Either because the architecture is striking, in which case it could be used as some famous Star Trek setting.

Or because the quality of being a museum is it self what they are looking for, and what most museums have in common is exhibit space.

Or it could be that the location itself has significance.

Or it could be a combination of any/all of the above.

Without more clues it is difficult to pin down.

Actually, the FIRST thought I had was of the LA observatory that appeared in that two part Voyager episode. But it’s not a museum.

452. Phil - November 19, 2011

@451. You could make the arguement that the Griffith Observatory is a museum. Eighty percent of the building houses exhibits.

453. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 19, 2011

#444 – “393: You make Spock sound like a neurotic human with pointed ears.”

Your words, not mine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurosis

“At the time in which things ran Amok, why would the Vulcans have divulged details of their biological vulnerabilities to other races? Such issues had heretofore been addressed within Vulcan society; not by human physicians.”

Yes, but Spock was no longer living on Vulcan and had not been for a while. He was the first officer aboard a Federation starship, with many duties and responsibilities. Given those circumstances, it is not unreasonable at all to expect, indeed, demand that the possibility and nature of Pon Farr would be known by the ship’s physician, Dr McCoy. This is not about “telling everyone” at all. Doctors don’t tell everyone everything now. Do you really think Dr McCoy would be like that? Honestly?

When you see that episode, Spock was indeed behaving like a very neurotic individual with pointed ears, and was being illogical and irresponsible, even before he started experiencing the pangs of Pon Farr.
Look what he did – he countermanded a direct order from Captain Kirk, his senior officer, and, if I remember rightly, LIED; he destroyed property; he screamed at a member of the crew and threw hot soup at her – called assault. He could have posed a serious threat to the safety of the Enterprise and its crew, all because “it was all so private…” Not good enough!

Why does seeing a character go through the same pangs that we saw him have before in another time necessarily make for more “genuine” “real” drama than seeing the same basic character experience his life a little differently this time around. Talk about “stuck in a rut”!

454. dmduncan - November 19, 2011

452. Phil – November 19, 2011

@451. You could make the arguement that the Griffith Observatory is a museum. Eighty percent of the building houses exhibits.

***

Ooh! Did not know that! Never been there, and yes it surely could be that especially if “museum” was used a touch loosely by the anonymous source.

That certainly would make it a “famous Star Trek location.”

455. dmduncan - November 19, 2011

AND, by the 23rd century, if it survives, the Griffith Observatory certainly will be a museum, in every sense. So maybe the source was also speaking future tense?

456. captain_neill - November 19, 2011

429

Well if that is the case then Bob Orci would have to be one of the laziest writers ever. To rehash classic episodes rather than do new stories in this universe would seem to be a waste of this new universe.

I will get used to new takes on certain things but something fresh be better.

457. VulcanFilmCritic - November 19, 2011

@453 Keachick What makes TOS Spock so special? MYSTERY.

I’m not really getting a sense of the mystery of “The Other” with Quinto’s Spock. His emotional responses are similar to our own. He’s just an uptight guy with deformed ears. The kiss on the transporter pad proves that. He does what any red-blooded American male would do in those circumstances. But he not a red-blooded American male.

Where is the unusual skin pigmentation? Which suggests on a subliminal level all sorts of strange things. Quinto Spock’s complexions is like any other Caucasian.

Where is the altered physiology? Copper based blood, tachycardic heartbeat, low blood pressure, tremendous strength? Enormous intellect?

Where is the steely countenance which at times admits no one.

Where is the wisdom of the ages which lurk’s behind Leonard’s eyes?

Where is the mind meld? The meditation? The asceticism?

Leonard Nimoy’s Spock was not terribly strange, especially after three seasons of “My Favorite Martian.” Exigious 12.5 (the martian) was very strange in a few ways but mostly acted like a human.

Spock was a little strange in EVERY way. The details of this character were carefully thought out. Nimoy imbued his creation with a very strange voice (that’s not his normal speaking voice, by the way) and a strange accent (part boston Brahmin/ part W. Somerset Maugham)
Spock had a strange way of standing, of moving, of being. Even Spock’s resting face is pinched into a permanent mask of deep thought, causing his eyes to squint into slits. Sometimes that immoveable face let’s you in on his thoughts but other times he’s completely opaque. Even the other actors on set got the creeps in Nimoy’s presence.

I just don’t see that degree of alien-ness in Quinto’s Spock. I just don’t see him as portraying an extra-terrestrial. If we have any good feeling for him, it’s either for his human side or because of fond memories of Nimoy.

I hope he’s able to become more alien, more Vulcan. I think that could be very moving, as the human we have come to know in Quinto’s Spock gets locked away like the man in the iron mask, and a more austere persona comes to the surface. The transformation should be as riveting as watching Anakin Skywalker become Darth Vader.

458. dmduncan - November 19, 2011

I’ve said all that about Spock many many times before. To play him like that, permanently, turns him into a pointy eared human. I bought it in the context of a younger Spock in ST.09, but Spock’s final rejection of human forms of intimacy other than by forces which imbalanced him as we sometimes saw, and from which he always recovered his normal sense of self, is what really made him distinguishable from the humans he served with.

Spock isn’t there to be “saved” by anyone from being who he is. And he’s not there to be a pointy eared human. Without that alien Spock we would not have had great episodes like This Side of Paradise or Naked Time, because Spock wouldn’t have lost who he was, endangering the Enterprise in the process.

Aah! See now? I’ve rehashed myself. Damnit!

459. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 19, 2011

I cannot believe what I read here sometimes.

Quinto’s Spock is younger than the Spock we first met in TOS. Of course, Leonard Nimoy had a presence. He is a much older, experienced human being (Nimoy is now 80 years old), so of course he was able to imbue this in his performance of Spock. If only I still had the article from a NZ TV Guide, April 2009, which had a short interview with Leonard Nimoy talking about this Star Trek series. In it he actually said that he wanted to do with the Spock character things he had not been able to do before and frankly, I cannot believe that JJ Abrams, Bob Orci and the others would not have allowed Leonard Nimoy direct input into the writing of the alternate Spock character. Seriously.

Maybe Bob Orci might be available to comment in this respect?

However, I am reminded of something I read not so long ago about Chris and Zachary going to Leonard Nimoy’s trailer only to hear coming from the trailer of the great man, Nimoy/Spock himself – snoring, very loud snoring! Zach and Chris got a serious case of the giggles…LOL! Gotta love these people – and I mean that, very sincerely.

The mind-meld? Not till later. The meditation? Well, Quinto already does yoga (a form of meditation through physical exercise/exertion) and likely meditation as well. I am sure he will imbue that kind of look and energy by the time we see the next movie and he will be closer to the same age that Nimoy was when he first played Spock – a Spock who was actually loud, often angry and smiling and seen in the first couple of Star Treks. This Vulcan veneer that we are used to seeing came a little later, even in TOS. Spock developed these traits, as quite possibly Quinto/Spock will also develop. Quinto’s younger Spock is actually more like the Spock we are used to than Nimoy’s original Spock. He wasn’t yelling out orders or smiling at times. Quinto’s Spock did not smile at all, however he did seem angry, but then I always thought that Spock, especially in TOS, seethed with anger a lot of the time underneath that apparently calm exterior that he projected.

I know some people think that it is “real” drama to get to watch someone like Spock become a cold, sadistic bastard all under the veneer of becoming his more austere rational Vulcan self and quite likely cause Uhura’s heart to break. However, frankly, I think that sort of stuff is crap and shows a certain immaturity on the part of the writers and audiences.

Hopefully, the writers will come up with something better than the kind of stuff you want to see.

Actually, I believe you’ll find that biologists don’t think that having a being with both a copper based blood and iron based blood systems could survive for very long. Spock would have been a product of fine genetic engineering and manipulation and lord knows what his psyche would be like. Quinto’s Spock is still also alien as well and consistent with what is known about Nimoy’s Spock. I do think that Quinto’s Spock needs to have a darker, slightly greenish skin colouring.

460. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 19, 2011

Whoever said that Spock needed to be saved? Not me!

461. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 19, 2011

Frankly, God help any real Spock – a Vulcan/Human hybrid.

What I am hearing here is-

No, Spock, you can’t explore your human half of yourself, because that is too much like who we are, and that’s boring

No, Spock, you know that Vulcans are more evolved that humans are (they are?), so go be a Vulcan and this time succeed in your quest to purge all emotion through the Kolinahr Ritual, because that means you are different and more exciting to us. Of course, you might end up having a complete mental collapse, but that’s also very exciting to watch someone else suffer and I mean, really suffer, but what are bored, lazy so-n-so’s, with limited perspectives, supposed to do?

I guess I am being a bit inflammatory, but honestly, what can I say?

Nowhere have I seen any of you use words like “complement”, “integration”, “transcendence”…

462. Bob - November 19, 2011

2 more years? WTF?

463. dmduncan - November 19, 2011

461: “No, Spock, you can’t explore your human half of yourself, because that is too much like who we are, and that’s boring”

No. They, meaning the writers, can do anything they want with the character.

Unfortunately, whether you like it or not, the character really created by Nimoy’s performance of him, and which is now being played by Quinto, is a character who never willfully explored his human half as a full human being, except perhaps much later in life when he accepted his friendship as such with James Kirk at the end of ST-TMP. Up till that time, and yes, even afterwards though less so, Spock rejected human ways of being as if he needed to be that to be accepted, and earlier than that could only be made to act more human through external forces that altered his personality.

He doesn’t need to be human to be acceptable for who he is, and the more people want to see a humanized version of Spock the more I think it would be better medicine for them to not get it. Because at issue is really a question of accepting what is different from you.

There is no challenge either in humanizing Spock or in accepting a humanized version of Spock. It’s easy to make Spock just like we are and then to accept ourselves in the new, more human version. It’s what most people do who form groups on the basis of some usually trivial shared similarity like skin color. People mostly seem to be attracted to themselves. I’m sort of different that way.

From my perspective, I think people should be pushed, and the alien Spock pushes. He pushes just like he pushed Dr. McCoy constantly, or Lt. Uhura in Man Trap when she flew off the handle at him for showing no emotion when someone in the landing party had been killed and it might have been James Kirk, the “closest thing to a friend” Spock had.

So, they can write Spock anyway they want. As always, I’m pointing out what gets lost by doing it one way instead of another.

Fan fiction is a great place to explore anything you want, but what appears on the big screen should be more universal, and what I see in fan fiction is often too personal for me to vote for it to appear in a theater where I have to pay money to see it.

464. dmduncan - November 19, 2011

Also, Spock has never been sadistic. Not even bearded Spock was sadistic. He was never played as Dr. Mengele.

465. dmduncan - November 19, 2011

Once you accept Spock for who he is, the limited thing to do would be to try to convert him into someone more like yourself so that you can accept him. You know, change him so that he’s more to your taste as a human, so that he acts more like you want him to act.

That would be a good idea for a story in some future Star Trek TV series. The Clockwork Orange theme where Spock is made to conform to some norm of acceptability, where he is made to fit in to a society rather than to stand as a nonconforming distinction to it, and what effect that has on everyone else. If you gave McCoy the means to make Spock more human, more acceptable in behavior to Dr. McCoy, what would McCoy do?

I’ll tell you: He would not change one thing about Spock, even though Spock drove him to apoplexy!

466. NCM - November 19, 2011

453. Keachick – rose pinenut – November 19, 2011

“…demand that the possibility and nature of Pon Farr would be known by the ship’s physician, Dr McCoy… Doctors don’t tell everyone… Do you really think Dr McCoy would be like that? Honestly?”

No. I don’t believe McCoy would be like that. I don’t believe Spock would be forthcoming with his human doctor, either; especially about a condition he hoped to avoid, one he thought he could get through alone, if he had to, one Vulcans ‘don’t speak of among themselves,’ and one against which McCoy’s “beads and rattles” (?) would prove ineffective.

TOS Spock was only vulnerable to neurosis during Pon Farr and under external influences such as certain spores. In your earlier post, you suggested TOS Spock deprived himself of human experiences out of fear; making him sound like a neurotic human with elfin ears. I think those of us who are driving you batty, at the moment, see him differently – much more as dmduncan and vulcanfilmcritic describe him. It’s his duality, the tough choices he makes because of it, the ways in which he’s different from us, the times he holds a mirror up to us…; these are the things we appreciate about the character. We don’t want him to be fully Vulcan (any Tuvok fans?), but we do want him to be different – otherwise, why bother having an alien on Enterprise? He could just be the stereotypical genius white science geek; different only for having gotten his head caught in a rice picker – nothing more to see here folks; keep moving.

467. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 19, 2011

#463 – “He doesn’t need to be human to be acceptable for who he is, and the more people want to see a humanized version of Spock the more I think it would be better medicine for them to not get it. Because at issue is really a question of accepting what is different from you.

There is no challenge either in humanizing Spock or in accepting a humanized version of Spock. It’s easy to make Spock just like we are and then to accept ourselves in the new, more human version. It’s what most people do who form groups on the basis of some usually trivial shared similarity like skin color. People mostly seem to be attracted to themselves. I’m sort of different that way.”

I am not trying to humanize Spock. People here have been objecting to what the writers (and Leonard Nimoy) did in allowing this Spock to show more of his innate human side, to the point of engaging in a relationship with a human woman. It seems that you can’t accept that Spock is also part human and has a right to express that side of his true nature. I am NOT the one trying to make Spock other than who he is, a human/vulcan being or a vulcan/human being.

If the writers had shown this Spock to express more of his vulcan side, that would have been OK with me as well, because that is also who Spock is – a human/vulcan being or a vulcan/human being.

It is not me who has been unaccepting of this Spock person (both prime and alternate). I think it has been you. It is not about how different or alike he might be. It is simply about who he really is – alike in some ways and different in other ways. That is who Spock is.

You misunderstand me. How can I make it plainer?

468. AJ - November 19, 2011

451:

dmduncan:

I don’t think they’d pull a location from VOY. The reference has to be to TOS, IMHO. Stratos? Apollo’s temple? Gothos?

Hell, maybe it’s the Main Engineering set we’ve all been on about for 2+ years.

469. dmduncan - November 19, 2011

467: “It is not me who has been unaccepting of this Spock person (both prime and alternate). I think it has been you.”

No. I already said I accepted Quinto’s portrayal as consistent with Nimoy’s as a younger version of the same person, so it is not because you are not making something plain enough that my opinion is different.

You can’t obliterate the distinction that makes Spock different and have the distinction that makes Spock different.

The character of Spock was portrayed by Nimoy over 79 episodes of the original series, 2 episodes of TNG, and now 7 movies. As the series progressed, Spock shed the earlier smiles and the occasional raised voice. Nimoy settled into the character as an egoless logician/scientist, and he played it that way until TMP when he brought back Spock more emotionless than ever, but who then changed by the end, and that’s the Spock we kept even through Nimoy’s portrayal in ST.09.

That’s the character’s journey. Who wants to jump him to the end of his journey at the beginning? If you look at the franchise that way, it has a beginning, a middle, and an end, and the three phases of Spock’s journey are represented there.

And it’s positively Hegelian!: Thesis, antithesis, synthesis. And by being so, it gives Spock the crucial role of showing us the secret of what Kirk had been all along. It was Kirk, you see, not Spock, who out-reasoned and trapped Nomad in a suicidal feedback loop by the end of The Changeling. Because Kirk is the perfect balance between reason and emotion which gives him the edge no one else has.

So regardless of how Spock’s human side was explored during those extraordinary circumstances of the early years, they were extraordinary circumstances that tilted Spock off his normal persona.

The Naked Time. This Side of Paradise. All Our Yesterdays. Amok Time.

The one anomaly you can point to is The Cloud Minders, but for all his words, Spock remained to Droxine disappointingly detached there as well.

And some people want the off balance Spock to be the NEW Spock. That is the opposite of acceptance. So I’m not the one who wants to change him. Spock provides a more valuable lesson just the way he is, as shown in all the episodes and movies I named.

And if anyone has any doubts about Gene Roddenberry’s own regard for the importance of a logical character, the existence of Data in TNG should dispel those doubts; Data, please remember, ALSO had episodes of exploring human emotion, and he always returned to being the logical character for TNG that Spock was for TOS.

But whereas the breadth of 79 episodes of a TV show makes it possible to explore those things while returning the character to his normal center, I think it’s harder to achieve that in a 2 hour movie without making the character seem permanently different.

470. Commodore Adams - November 19, 2011

@248. Thorny. Agreed on both parts. Trelane would be weak, at the end a child being punished by mommy and daddy. What type of people vote yes Trelane? Del Toro as Kang or Kor now your talking.

…I am not sure Tribbles would be the best idea, seems too corny for a blockbuster, especially when Star Trek has finally started its way back to stardom. Tribbles might knock it down.

471. dmduncan - November 19, 2011

468: “Hell, maybe it’s the Main Engineering set we’ve all been on about for 2+ years.”

Now it looks like a museum? Oh THAT would go over well.

472. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 19, 2011

Neither am I the one who wants to change Spock, but what we saw in the movie was also Spock. Some people keep saying that this Spock is not the “real” Spock, that Spock would/could never do this…that the writers, Leonard Nimoy have got it all wrong. They haven’t got Spock wrong. I am not saying that you are wrong but neither are the present writers.

473. dmduncan - November 19, 2011

Oh, and by the way, I should also point out that Bob actually picked up on and CONTINUED the theme of Spock being thrown off center by the effect on Spock of highly unusual external circumstances: In ST.09, we only see Spock affectionate with Uhura in a time of extreme inner turmoil AFTER Spock loses both his mother and his entire planet within minutes of each other:

Spock: Jim, I just lost my planet. I can tell you, I am emotionally compromised.

What’s more, Bob also shows how logical Kirk is when he has Kirk logically outmaneuver Spock on the bridge:

KIRK: What is it with you, Spock? Hmm? Your planet was just destroyed, your mother murdered, and you’re not even upset.
SPOCK: If you’re presuming that these experiences in any way impede my ability to command this ship, you are mistaken.
KIRK: And yet you were the one who said fear was necessary for command. Did you see his ship? Do you see what he did?
SPOCK: Yes, of course I did.
KIRK: So, are you afraid or aren’t you?

BAM! Just like Nomad!

So, these characters really ARE the same as their TOS counterparts. They’re just younger.

474. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 19, 2011

Anthony Pascale did warn us that all these rumours about Klingons and tribbles running all over the internet are just that – rumours. He assured us that we will hear what is genuine on this site first.

Anyway, I don’t want tribbles becoming all mean and nasty. There are not enough puffles to replace them as the soft and cute ones of the galaxy.

475. dmduncan - November 19, 2011

472: “I am not saying that you are wrong but neither are the present writers.”

Oh I’m not saying the writers are wrong either. Bob knows that. I’m just posting road conditions on a digital highway sign made available by Trekmovie.

476. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 19, 2011

Bob Orci – re post #357

Michelle wants to know how the puffle hunting is going. BTW, there is an orange puffle wearing a green and black hat out now. “Chris Pine” is orange with hair and no hat. They do require combing occasionally. Since the combed back look is all the rage among the Trek actors, doing the combing back should not be a problem. No need for gels though…

Hope all is well and you are keeping busy with that draft. Watch you don’t get a chill now. Nose to the grindstone as they say, as long as there is time taken for that puffle hunt. You know what they say about all work and no play…

I did mention the hope of seeing a pre-Christmas holiday photo shoot of all the main cast assembled on the bridge of the Enterprise. Perhaps it might be good to see Chris and Zach with their two puffles! Oh dear, so little time, so much puffling around…:)

477. somethoughts - November 19, 2011

#473

Poor kirk, punching bag award for 2009

#475

While you are at it bob, please have a molson canadian and some dim sum on my behalf and watch ip man starring donnie yen.

478. Harry Ballz - November 20, 2011

474. dmduncan “I’m just posting road conditions on a digital highway sign”

Can someone please help me find the On Ramp? :>)

479. wil wheaton-chapman - November 20, 2011

so when is the new star trek film out for then is it going to be out next yr 2012
or is 2013 that i have seen on the internet as it was said to be 2012 ????????????????? and that will be a very long wait for the star trek fans

480. AJ - November 20, 2011

471:

dmduncan:

Well we DID have a beer factory. The drill-platform fight was a parking lot in LA.

With green-screen, a museum could be anything. I doubt it’s the exhibits which are the main criteria for having been chosen. Could be the architectural characteristics of a room, or a facade. And we have heard that our concerns over the engine room are being taken into consideration.

481. Spockchick - November 20, 2011

@ 423. VulcanFilmCritic

I agree wholeheartedly about Pike, he had a gravitas about him that made him seem like a REAL member of the military. There was an authenticity to his performance I haven’t seen since Olmos’s fantastic turn in BSG. I think it would be a crime not to have him in the second film.

482. Craiger - November 20, 2011

I wonder if the sequel will be an updated version of The Menagerie? Would the general audience like something like that? Could Pike be the villian in the sequel. He could be that training cruise were he get bombarded with delta rays but instead of being instead of looking how he looked in The Menagerie. Maybe the delta rays make him insane and he goes to great lengths to find a cure for his condition not realizing he is turning bad and he goes up against the Federation to find a cure? Have Kirk and Spock going up against their former Commander?

483. dmduncan - November 20, 2011

477: “Can someone please help me find the On Ramp? :>)”

Second star to the right, and straight on till morning.

484. troy carrington - November 20, 2011

I’m truly looking forward to it at some point being released. The last one was very good and sort jump started the whole series. Maybe we’ll see the emissary? maybe we’ll see what became of Archer? or maybe some of that borg debris from Enterprise will re-emerge? (possible because remember the time line from enterprise to the present retelling of the story is basically the same)
or maybe it will be a new retelling of the story of Khan and Seti Alpha 5? The Augments storyline is intact and who’s to say there aren;t more floating around or maybe just maybe, we’ll finally figuire out what Worf meant by “it is something we do not discuss” about the change in Klingon appearence…LOL (refer to Tribulations)

485. Bob Wesley - November 20, 2011

“Night at the Museum 3: The Wrath of Khan 2″?

*cringes at the thought of a Ben Stiller cameo*

486. Red Dead Ryan - November 20, 2011

#477.

“Can someone please help me find the On Ramp? :>)”

Are you sure you’re not just experiencing some “white-out” conditions on your “digital highway” over there, Harry?

487. Commodore Adams - November 20, 2011

@268. somethoughts. Yea he leaves us guessing, could be Khan or Klingons I doubt both, it would be cool but too good to be true.

@284. Keachick. Yea, ok fine, but reading the comics is fun. And you cant say they don’t count because Countdown led into the 2009 and explained a lot.

@285. 750 Mang. I don’t know, there were times Orci said that the comics are not canon but they tie the story together. I had to read Countdown before the movie just as I am reading Ongoing to see how it ties into the movie.

Canon or not is not the issue, the comics tying in the movie are enjoyable, bottom line.

488. Lt. Dakin - November 20, 2011

The Honolulu Star Advertiser has reported that proudtion scouts visited Oahu, Kauai and the Big Island in late summer.

Honolulu film commisioner Walea Constantina as well as Georja Skinner were in Los Angeles last week and met with production officials about 4 projects, one of which was ‘Star Trek’.

http://www.staradvertiser.com/columnists/outtakes/20111120__Star_Trek_sequel_among_isle_project_possibilities.html

489. Harry Ballz - November 20, 2011

483+6

The nicest part to being on the Information Highway is when I finally get off.

Err, maybe I should rephrase that……..:>)

490. Rusty0918 - November 20, 2011

#487 – Unfortunately, you can’t get credit for countdown. Although both Khan AND Klingons is actually quite feasible.

I don’t really have a problem with Klingons being changed to an “Intergalactic Taliban” to make things more current. Though the prospect of tribbles overrunning their homeworld seems well…kind of absurd. Keep in mind the Federation lost a key planet, maybe it’s only fair the Klingons lose one too.

My guess is they were bio-engineering Tribbles which made them predatory, etc. Though I can’t really grasp the whole idea of tribble predators, keep in mind these folks got away with rapid cadet-to-captain promotions in the last movie, so this COULD be valid. They could easily get away with the “tribbles as predators” idea. Let’s hope they don’t go as far as making them piss on people.

I also think people need to shut up about the museum. At this point, I don’t know what they’re doing with it. It’s a big game anyways.

491. Commodore Adams - November 20, 2011

@303. Jay. Love the idea, I would love a Klingon centric film.

@304. somethoughts. One side of the coin I agree, that is some awesome music. The other side… I would love Giacchino to stick with that classic Klingon music heard in TMP but updated more timpani drums, powerful and dark like the music in the new Batman movies.

@306. Daoud. You really fleshed out that idea, I love it.

492. somethoughts - November 20, 2011

#491

The opening score to The undiscovered country was nice also.

493. somethoughts - November 20, 2011

Gustav Holst-the panets-mars, the bringer of war is also one of my favs

494. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 20, 2011

I think you will find that I said that what was written in Countdown does not count in terms of canon. Canon is what is seen on FILM and I do not know if that includes deleted scenes. The comics do count in many other ways, especially ones that give a background to what might be shown on film, but they are still not canon.

495. somethoughts - November 21, 2011

Gustav Holst mars music blarring during a 15min epic space battle amongst star fleet and upgraded klingon warbirds vs unknown threat, slow moving submarine style battle in space, near a planet with ice rings and asteroid field with cosmic coloured dust for hiding. Planets colliding and ships imploding and exploding and being ripped in half.

496. Jai - November 21, 2011

Just slightly modifying my namesake Jay’s suggestion earlier in #303. You can definitely imagine a Klingon equivalent of Genghis Khan rising to power in the Klingon Empire (possibly in the aftermath of Nero wiping out that Klingon fleet in ST09), initiating a massive campaign of territorial expansion across the galaxy, and being terrifyingly effective as a charismatic leader and a conqueror, Genghis-style. Basically a villainous version of DS9’s Martok.

Interesting storyline possibilities, especially if you’re familiar with Mongol history and how successful they were at rapidly defeating one superpower after another. And it fits in nicely with Jay’s suggestion of the Klingons initially experiencing a series of dramatic successes and (presumably) coming to within an inch of conquering the Federation at the end of ST12, before Kirk & co save the day in the third movie.

It also fits in nicely with the way some of the Mongols’ targets reacted: Initial complacency and overconfidence in the notion of their own superiority, followed by utter shock and disaster in the face of the unstoppable military onslaught. For example, Google Genghis Khan and the Shah of Khwarezm, read exactly what happened, and you’ll notice that it would make perfect material for the depiction of the Klingon Empire ruthlessly conquering the arrogant Romulans.

So Bob Orci and his team could have a lot of fun writing about all that, if they wanted to take the storyline in that direction.

497. Janice - November 21, 2011

#481 spockchick
Absolutely—I agree, it would be a crime not to have Pike in the sequel.

I’m confident though that the people in charge of these things realized that long ago and we’ll see Pike in the sequel. Bruce Greenwood/ Pike is a definite plus !!

498. MONGO - November 21, 2011

#419 somethoughts person

Mongo think you try put red shirt on Mongo. See how far get.

Mongo just joking. Mongo know you joke.

Mongo still no want Khan. Or Tribble. Klingon OK.

499. somethoughts - November 21, 2011

#498

Lol

Yes, kung fu/intelligent/cold war/russian/chinese/north korean/japanese allegory would do just fine. For the love of god no slow, idiotic, viking klingins that smash things.

500. somethoughts - November 21, 2011

Something along the lines of a christopher plummer style klingon, intelligent, dark and witty. Throw in some kgb, kung fu, karate, samurai and ancient china royalty dress uniforms and there is your modern reimagined klingons. Donnie Yen and Tony Leung as your lead martial arts secret agent klingons with benicio del toro as your khan.

501. Phil - November 21, 2011

How about no Klingons, Borg, Romulans, at all??

502. somethoughts - November 21, 2011

Trelane/Q movie will work if done right.

What does mongo n phil think about that?

503. Spock/Uhura Fan - November 21, 2011

@ #393 Keachick

BRAVO!!!

@#395 Red Dead Ryan

Re: Spock/Uhura

No one is asking for the next film to be about their Risian honeymoon. We just want to see love unfold between the 2 characters. They can both do their jobs effectively while maintaining a relationship on their own time. At least since TNG to me, Star Trek has been about the hybrid model of work AND family, not work VERSUS any chance at family or a personal life. It’s called balance, and I think that it is a good thing.

Love is a part of life, right? Surely Vulcans are capable of it, and that would definitely include Spock. Why would it be being “true” to the Spock character to have him deny himself that most wonderous treasure called love?

For all we know, having had loving parents, in Spock Prime’s old age, not having that kind of love with someone he could call his own could have been a regret that he wanted to spare this different version of himself. Perhaps that’s why he gave young Spock the advice to do what feels right sometimes instead of being so, as you put it, “cold” all of the time. I think he was telling him that you only live once, so it’s okay to stray off of the Vulcan beaten path so to speak.

I don’t see that as a suggestion for young Spock’s life to spiral into a Soap Opera or something out of Romance novel. As much as I gush over Spock and Spock/Uhura, I am not into romance. I don’t expect, nor do I want Uhura and Spock to have some Twilight inspired dalliance in the next film.

I just like the fact that these 2 mature adults can have a meaningful and lasting connection with each other for life. Tell me Ryan, is that so bad? Would it really destroy the next movie if a bit of that were there? Personally, I think not.

This is a new story with a new timeline, and because of this, the characters are slightly new too. So, anything can happen in my book, and I hope more Spock/Uhura does.

504. Spock/Uhura Fan - November 21, 2011

And before anyone points out that TNG came a good while after TOS, I just want to say that my point was that in the realm of ‘Star Trek,’ work and family/a personal life can compliment each other and do not have to be at odds. Who knows how soon that can start to happen in this timeline. Kirk’s parents were aboard the Kelvin together while she was pregnant with him, so if you ask me, that kind of living has already started here. It is completely realistic for Uhura and Spock to work together and be together.

505. Phil - November 21, 2011

@ 502. “Supreme Beings” as a plot device have been beat to death in Trek lore. It’s time to retire this concept permanently.

506. Buraco of Cerdal - November 22, 2011

As long as Zoe Saldana remains in the cast… The film will be great! LOL!

507. Chris M - November 22, 2011

The Great Jeffrey Combs must, at least, have a cameo in the new film.
He has appeared in 3 of the series and played half a dozen different characters. Most recent and really awesome was Shran.

There should be room for at least one Andorian in the new movie. Right?

508. Chris M - November 22, 2011

Give JEFFREY COMBS a part, even an appearance. The best minor-role actor in Star Trek history – including characters like Weyoun, Brunt and Commander Shran – others like Krem, Tiron, Penk, and Office Mulkahey

If there are Klingons in the movie then JG Hertzler (Martok) should also play a role.

Trek Alum cameos are a must.

509. MONGO - November 22, 2011

Mongo say on other thread only TOS show he want see as movie be Doomsday Machine. It make good antagonist and not be villain. Mongo not really care if Romulan or Klingon in movie at all. They established as part of TOS so OK. Not Borg.

Mongo not necessarily hate idea of villain. Just feel that Trek movie can rise above formula. Movie film maker need be courageous in story tell. Need think more about make good movie than make load money.

Mongo know money talk loud, though. Sometime even in sleep hear money talk.

510. Phil - November 22, 2011

509. Titanic made a boatload of money. So did Avatar.

511. jeannieSpock - November 23, 2011

No mention of Leonard Nimoy in the cast for new movie. That’s a shame.
I know he’s retired now but seems still fit and active and I am sure he could be tempted out of retirement (again!).

512. Commodore Adams - November 24, 2011

@494. Keachick – rose pinenut. Orci might not have said that the comics are canon but he did say they are meant to tie in. Countdown was to tie in the existing universe with the new one and the Ongoing series to tie into the next movie. For me, thats enough to consider it canon, just as people who read the novels would agree that the books expanded the universe for them. What does it matter to you if some of us consider the comics or books canon? For me they are, PERIOD! My dear…some of your posts are obscenely juvenile.

@511. jeannieSpock. Uh no its not a shame. He helped the reboot, its time for the new crew to stand on their own. No Nimoy, no Shatner. I love Nimoy but there is a time to look at things objectively.
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Why do people keep mentioning the Borg. It was specifically said by JJ and Orci that they are sticking with TOS adversaries which means NO BORG, NO TNG ADVERSARIES, NO DS9 ADVERSARIES, NO VOY ADVERSARIES, NO ENT ADVERSARIES. English is very easy to understand. They will stick with TOS or create something new.

And whether you want Klingons or not, your in the 5%…the other 95% percent want Klingons, its also 95% likely that it will be Klingons. Forget Trelane, forget Talosians. They are making this movie for fans AND general public. The general public does not care about Gorn or Tholians where as Klingons are well known and that is what is going to get that popularity meter to hit the red zone. I am so annoyed that some of you can’t look at this logically and pragmatically.

513. Captain Clay Crash - November 30, 2011

J.J., please, spend some money and build a more appropriate Engineering set. All those valves and pipes are totally anachronistic to the time frame and technology of the 23rd century. I’m hoping someone at Budweiser will deny further filming in their Van Nuys brewery.

Does anyone know of an online resource for any deck plans of the new Enterprise?

514. duke nukem - January 8, 2012

cannot wait abrams did a excellent job of coarse we all know if he failled star trek would have finished but it has not kudos to the man

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