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JJ Abrams Confirms Discussions With Benicio Del Toro November 23, 2011

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Earlier this month it was reported that JJ Abrams was considering Oscar-winning actor Benicio Del Toro for the villain role in his Star Trek sequel. Now Abrams has confirmed he and Toro have begun talking. Watch Abrams talk Del Toro below.

 

 

Abrams talks about talking to Del Toro

MTV caught up with Star Trek sequel producer/director JJ Abrams at the release party for Super 8. Abrams confirmed that he and Del Toro were talking about a role in the Star Trek sequel, clarifying "not even negotiations, but discussions." Abrams wouldn’t give any details on the role but also noted how he "wanted to work with [Del Toro] for years" and he was "such an amazing actor he can play anything…except Uhura."

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1. Canadianknight - November 23, 2011

KHAAAAAAAANNNNNN!!!!!

2. Desstruxion - November 23, 2011

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

3. Saavik - November 23, 2011

Please do not let it be Kahn. Although he very much looks that part.

4. Viking - November 23, 2011

Give him a big ol’ mouthful of horse teeth, and he’d look just like Buster Poindexter……

“See people rockin’ yeah people chantin’
Feelin’ hot hot hot…..
Keep up the spirit come on let’s do it
Feelin’ hot hot hot…..”

LOL

5. Live long and die hard! - November 23, 2011

KOOOOOOOOOOOORRRR!!!! or maybe, just maybe KOOOOOOLOOOOOOOTH!!!!
But obviously KOOOOOOOORRRR!!!!!!

6. Craiger - November 23, 2011

Couldn’t he be a good Kor, Kang or Koloth?

7. Valenti - November 23, 2011

The Borg Queen, obviously.

;)

8. Lenn - November 23, 2011

El podria ser un villano humano que busca la destruccion de la Alianza uniendo esfuerzos con los integrantes de una raza alejada de la galaxia, una raza violenta y sanguinaria que ha conquistado y destruido sistemas enteros… Es mi humilde opinion!!!

9. Ralph - November 23, 2011

NO KHAN

10. Cygnus-X1 - November 23, 2011

Who are these people who want a reboot of Khan? What’s the MATTER with you?!?

You don’t reboot something unless you can make it better. And Montalban’s Khan was about as perfect a performance as one could ask for. If you’re saying that you think Khan should be rebooted, then you’d better have some specific things in mind that you feel need to be improved upon over Montalban’s performance. Because “Oh, I liked the original so I want to see it done again” isn’t a good rationale when it comes to rebooting cinematic performances. Or musical performances, for that matter.

And if you’re voting for Khan, then you should come out and admit that you’re also craving to Justin Bieber to do some Beatles covers.

11. Craiger - November 23, 2011

No Justin Bieber should be Chekov. LOL.

12. Cygnus-X1 - November 23, 2011

But, on a meta-topic — When it rains, it pours.

A couple weeks of drought here at TrekMovie, and then BAM! A downpour of big news stories.

So how you peeps like Anthony now? How you like him now?

Yeah, that’s RIGHT.

(however, please don’t skip Science Saturday again this week!) :>)

13. Ron - November 23, 2011

Please, please, please do not let this movie be about Khan. Since it’s already written as a draft, it’s highly unlikely it would get changed at this point. I hope we get a sterling story, not a retelling with a thin veneer of newness. Either way, I’m sure it will be pretty, and the lens flares and vastness of space will look amazing in 3D.

I vote for a _memorable_ Klingon.!

14. TrekkieJan - November 23, 2011

Podría ser, pero no, se Khan.

15. Cygnus-X1 - November 23, 2011

On a positive topical note, I voted for “Other” because I don’t feel that Del Toro should be limited to only alien performances. What’s wrong with having him play a great human villain? Nothing at all. In fact, it would be a refreshing change after so many alien Trek villains.

Rebooting Khan would be a boneheaded move, but creating a NEW human villain would be exciting!

16. Phil - November 23, 2011

Good lord, why not just give him god-like powers, with a fatal weakness, like EVERY OTHER FREAKIN TREK VILLAN!!!!! Enough with the recycled plot points. Stop it. Stop it. STOP IT RIGHT FREAKIN NOW!!!!

New meds. Sorry…..

17. CGren123 - November 23, 2011

He looks quite similar to the late William Campbell, so I voted for a Klingon

18. oj - November 23, 2011

gary mitchell……

19. dmduncan - November 23, 2011

Seriously. If it’s about Khan, does anyone think saying NO KHAN is going to change anything now?

20. Khan was Framed! - November 23, 2011

Obviously Khan!

If the Borg ever appear in a TOS era movie in any timeline, the resulting damage to the franchise & the impending backlash from Trekkies around the world would be unbearable for Abrams & co.

They would be linched overnight!

And of course, it won’t be a Klingon because Del Toro doesn’t fit the role in character or physique.

Del Toro is a perfect choice to breath new life into Khan & I’m excited to see how he interprest the role.

21. General Martok - November 23, 2011

I hope it’s not Khan for the storyline’s sake, but I will admit that he looks like a Khan.

22. Daoud - November 23, 2011

qo’lotlh!!! qor!!!

23. The Man Who Never Was - November 23, 2011

He would make an interesting Khan. As for the recent location scouting they did, it could be the earth that Khan and his supermen ruled back in the day.

24. Daoud - November 23, 2011

“It would have been… GLORIOUS”. That line from “Errand of Mercy” has always been intriguing.

25. Studio Insider - November 23, 2011

Actually, he will not be playing Kahn. You will all be delighted which starfleet character from the original series he will play if negotiations go to plan.

26. dmduncan - November 23, 2011

He may be Khan, but he ain’t the best man for the job, if so.

But, that is the director’s privilege. So, ya gotta make your piece with it if that’s who he’s gonna be. That’s the cost of doing business with JJ in charge, and I’m sure he’ll make up for whatever shortcomings we perceive with that choice, elsewhere in the overall craftsmanship of the movie.

I’m glad to have JJ aboard for the second installment. And with Giacchino confirmed, looks like the team who made the magic the first time around will be set to repeat themselves.

27. dmduncan - November 23, 2011

25. Studio Insider – November 23, 2011

Oh hey, another insider! Shut up, man. Just shaddup!

28. Matthew M - November 23, 2011

If memory serves, late last year or early this year Orci and/or Kurtzman made it clear it would NOT be about Khan. I’m hoping they were not giving disinformation.
I agree with Cygnus-X1, who are you people? Have you no shame? Why do so many of you just want repeats? Watch the DVDs and let JJ & Company give us something new!

29. Live long and die hard! - November 23, 2011

delTorro screams “Kor” to me. He has the look, he has the attitude, he’d be the most badass Klingon ever!

30. dmduncan - November 23, 2011

28: “Why do so many of you just want repeats? Watch the DVDs and let JJ & Company give us something new!”

Whether it is a new story about a character we haven’t seen before or a new story about a character we have seen before is totally irrelevant with respect to how good the final product is.

You would rather have a new story with a new character that’s a dud instead of a new story with an old character that is well done?

Why do so many of you seem to think that new = guaranteed good?

Wherever the heck Bob and Alex and Damon went with the story was some place that they felt strongly pulled to going, and that is better than going someplace they DIDN’T feel strongly about because some fans wanted it that way.

31. jesustrek - November 23, 2011

Klingon…Klingon…klingon….. :) Qapla’.

32. mike - November 23, 2011

no khan. been there done that

33. On Vacation With Landru - November 23, 2011

Commodore Mendez

34. SciFiGuy - November 23, 2011

I think he’ll be cast as a KlingKhan…LOL!!!

35. somethoughts - November 23, 2011

He tasks me! He tasks me! and I shall have him! I’ll chase him around the moons of nibia and around the Antares Maelstrom and round perditions flames before I give him up! Prepare to alter course!

36. trekker 5 - November 23, 2011

I’m hoping its something new! But,I’ll take anything that’s not Khan!

37. Chingatchkook - November 23, 2011

you people and your paranoia about Khan all sound like Gladys Kravitz yammering on while peeking through the blinds. Sheesh.

Me, I think he would be a great Klingon.

38. Odkin - November 23, 2011

DECKER

39. Vultan - November 23, 2011

#30

And why do you think that reusing a villain is guaranteed to be “well done”?
New or retread—either way it’s a crap shoot.

40. Phil - November 23, 2011

@25…Inside the Production lives!!

41. somethoughts - November 23, 2011

Kor would be awesome too;

A shame captain, It would have been glorious.

42. The Last Vulcan - November 23, 2011

Del Toro will be playin Porthos. Definitely Porthos…

:)

First of all, I really don’t see him playing anyone from TOS and even though I have my fanboy fantasy of seeing him play Q, I doubt that JJ is going to go the omnipotent route. You need a villain who’s defeatable, not one that can change the gravitational constant of the universe by snapping his fingers. My money is on a completely new character although I’m just as convinced that Klingons will be featured prominently in the script.

43. Hugh Hoyland - November 23, 2011

If I were to guess off hand I would say Khan, makes sense and would create a buzz both positive and negative.

We’ll have to wait and wait and wait to see! :]

44. Apocalypto - November 23, 2011

No Khan and no Klingons they’re both played out! I don’t understand why everyone is so fixated on effing Klingons. Get over it. New timeline new enemies and villains.

45. Red Dead Ryan - November 23, 2011

I wouldn’t mind seeing Khan again….if he’s done right and the movie is great.

I wouldn’t mind seeing something new for once…. if it’s done right and the movie is great.

But I’d prefer the writers try to stretch their writing muscles.

#37.

Who the hell is Gladys Kravitz?

#25.

“Studio Insider”

The hell you are!

#20.

That’s why the writers should NOT listen to the fans in regards to who the villains will be in the movies.

46. dmduncan - November 23, 2011

39: “And why do you think that reusing a villain is guaranteed to be ‘well done’?”

I don’t and never said that. Not even almost.

It is, quite simply, irrelevant whether they reuse an old character or come up with a new one. It could be good or bad whichever the case may be. But some folks clamor for “something new” as if that means they’ll get something good just because it’s new.

To quote camp counselor Tripper: “IT JUST…DOESN’T…MATTER!”

47. Vultan - November 23, 2011

#46

No one said just because it’s new means it’s good, just different… which can be good.

48. SciFiGuy - November 23, 2011

#44 — I agree wholeheartedly. The fans seem to have the same unoriginal thoughts as the Paramount Powers That Be…sad.

It’s not that I’m necessarily even against something from TOS being redone in some way — but Khan? Klingons? That is so damned lame!!!!!!

But, I guess they’ll make their money back on lost ticket sales by releasing it in 3D. They can charge more per ticket and make up for the fans who stay home because they are pissed off over Khan or Klingons…

Some of us have BEGGED Orci to NOT go with Khan…but, they’ll do what they do…

You’re right — new timeline and new opportunities. Looks like they are going to squander that new opportunity in favor of name recognition and a quick buck.

I hope I’m wrong.

49. dmduncan - November 23, 2011

47. Vultan – November 23, 2011

And which can be crap too. That’s why I never said give me something new, and have always said give me something good. When the dividing line for you is new / old, you are either not as concerned about quality and you just want something…new, or you think new means quality, when it does not.

Give me something good. I don’t care what it’s about or what old character may be reused, or may not be.

I think the odds that the sequel is going to be bad get higher when the writers aren’t doing something they are excited about. So if whatever that is happens to be Khan, then that’s what I want to see. And if it’s something else, then I’ll take that.

I want to see the movie that THEY were inspired to write, whatever that is.

50. somethoughts - November 23, 2011

#48

Its all about the story and execution, who the villain is isnt important as much as how well the story is written.

We all will watch to see how the crew has matured and how they deal with conflict and how they rise above whatever challenges comes their way.

All that extra stuff like special fx, villains etc will help lift the story up.

51. Andy Patterson - November 23, 2011

@18

How ’bout Gary Seven for that matter?

52. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 23, 2011

#15 There is an option which says – Human. Duh

Such a fixation on him being Khan. I don’t see Del Toro being Khan, but Kang (TOS style) – Yes. Just because Benicio Del Toro is Hispanic, like Ricardo Montalban, does not automatically mean that he will play a role played by another Hispanic 30 years ago.

Still in discussions? Not even got to where they negotiating? How much talking and negotiating do they need to do? Whether Del Toro is able or willing to play a particular character is not earth shattering, world changing stuff. Just get on with it and decide! No more delays!

53. dmduncan - November 23, 2011

48: “Looks like they are going to squander that new opportunity in favor of name recognition and a quick buck.”

Yeah, sure — FOUR years to make that quick buck.

54. Darkowski - November 23, 2011

Judging by his strong masculine traits, he would look awesome in Klingon makeup.

Just as #6 pointed out; Kor, Kang, or Koloth :-)

55. Vultan - November 23, 2011

#49

Look, one of the good things about the last movie was that it freed Trek of all its baggage. That’s all I’m saying. It’s a fresh start, and it would nice to see them embrace it with as many fresh characters and plot points as possible. Trek needs that, still.

The filmmakers can get easily excited with what they have—a clean slate and a big galaxy to explore (well, if the studio suits allow them).

56. Odkin - November 23, 2011

@51 re: Gary Seven

Gary Seven is a TERRIBLE idea. Even as a kid I could smell a “backdoor pilot” a mile away, and they were generally horrible. I even wonder if the Gary Seven episode was really shot as a Trek episode, or if the Trek character appearances weren’t shoe-horned in later, “Menagerie”-style.

I think giving Terri Garr her own comedy show would have been a better bet than trying to sell this supernatural lox and his stupid transforming cat.

57. Cygnus-X1 - November 23, 2011

46. dmduncan – November 23, 2011

—-It is, quite simply, irrelevant whether they reuse an old character or come up with a new one. It could be good or bad whichever the case may be. But some folks clamor for “something new” as if that means they’ll get something good just because it’s new. To quote camp counselor Tripper: “IT JUST…DOESN’T…MATTER!”—-

Of course it matters. With a rebooted villain we’ll have something to compare it to and the odds are that it will be a disappointment. With a new villain that issue doesn’t exist and the character and performance can be judged as standing on their own without an implicit comparison.

And nobody said that new equals good. What was said is that rebooting is extremely risky and more likely than not to disappoint. This does not imply that the converse, i.e. a new character, will be necessarily good. Obviously a poor performance can be always be turned in and a character can always be poorly written (see the character NERO from the last movie). But with a new character the likely pitfall of a disappointing comparison or even a gross injustice done to a beloved character is a non-issue.

Look, you just don’t reboot iconic characters unless you have a damned good reason. And at this point, I’m hard-pressed to think of an overriding reason to reboot the most famous, brilliantly acted and effective Trek villain, Khan.

58. dmduncan - November 23, 2011

55. Vultan – November 23, 2011

Yes, I understand, but to be good, what they do also has to be personal. So doing whatever they personally see is the only chance of getting a good movie that we have.

And rebirthing the Star Trek universe does not mean that everything is now different.

Khan is still out there. The Klingon Empire still exists.

59. somethoughts - November 23, 2011

#57

These are the same issues they faced and dealth with in recasting for kirk, spock etc. They have shown if done right, it can be done and they have earned the right if they wanted to recast khan in a original story.

60. Red Dead Ryan - November 23, 2011

The story could be about Khan, Klingons, or Giant Space Logs. We’ll see.

61. dmduncan - November 23, 2011

57: “With a rebooted villain we’ll have something to compare it to and the odds are that it will be a disappointment.”

Okay. Let’s change that sentence around a bit and see how it fares:

“With a rebooted Kirk, Spock, and McCoy we’ll have something to compare it to and the odds are that it will be a disappointment.”

Well, according to my experience with the movie, they did an excellent job rebooting ALL the characters, including the top three, so the odds seem to favor success rebooting an old villain. That’s 10 successfully rebooted characters, 0 unsuccessfully rebooted characters. So how do you figure the odds being against them rebooting an 11th just as successfully?

“And nobody said that new equals good.’

Oh please. It’s the implication of a number of people’s obsession with objecting to ONE more character out of the Star Trek universe being rebooted. Unless you mean to suggest that a bunch of Star Trek fans want something new because they think it will be worse, then they quite obviously want something new because they think it will be better.

To quote SciFiGuy at 48: “but Khan? Klingons? That is so damned lame!!!!!!”

Really? Lame? You can make that judgement without having read the story in which either one of those appear?

“Be careful what you wish for” applies here.

“Look, you just don’t reboot iconic characters unless you have a damned good reason.”

How about the same good reason that 10 iconic characters were rebooted for ST.09? If they DO reboot another such character and they pull it off, will you withdraw your complaint then?

62. somethoughts - November 23, 2011

#58

Exactly, perfect chance to show us real klingons without the cheesy makeup and costumes. With a legitimate budget and imagination, the Klingons could be wonderfully done. Make us forgot bout the douchebag klingons of the tmp and tng created with blood this and oath that, Klingons arent suppose to be stupid warriors eating crap in space and craving blood

Make them like russians/turks/asian, intelligent, sneaky space farring race that seeks expansion and to overthrow starfleet/federation.

Klingons are wicked at hand to hand combat like wing chun/kung fu karate, which can create some epic anti gravity fight scenes that mirror the matrix, imception and ip man but done in a gravity less space ship or jungle planet during a tournament of some sort.

63. Vultan - November 23, 2011

#58

Klingons are fine. After all, we’ve hardly seen them used at all in Star Trek. ;)

Khan can keep on sleeping for all I care. Montalban’s performance is perfect, and I would like to see the writers use their personal experiences to create new characters. You know, like those guys did back in the ’60s, before there was a Kirk, a Spock, a Khan, etc., etc. And here we are 40+ years later still talking about them. Hmm, maybe there’s actually something to this taking a risk/being creative thing after all.

64. dmduncan - November 23, 2011

63. Vultan – November 23, 2011

And when it came time to make ST-TMP, the rebooted the premise of an old episode of TOS called The Changeling.

65. somethoughts - November 23, 2011

#63

New characters are very risky for a 2hr movie, its very difficult to give them a good backstory in time given. Look at soran, ruafo, shinzon, nero, who cares. Same reason why batman and superman stick with the jokers, lex luthers, bane as they have history and a nice backstory already. Not enough time in a 2hr movie to flesh out a new villain imo, tng borg worked well in first contact becausr of the epis best of both worlds.

66. Commodore Adams - November 23, 2011

He would be a outstanding Klingon, especially if he plays Kor or Kang. BAM!

67. SciFiGuy - November 23, 2011

#61 — My point is they will never top TWOK, so why go there? Plus, Khan is too much like Nero! I think it will be a mistake to bring back Khan. I just do.
Klingons were done to death on TNG and Deep Space Nine. Absolutely NO reason to bring them back…unless in a short scene. I don’t think the next film should be written around them. Something like what they cut out of the last one would be fine though…I really don’t care to see more of them than that. But, that’s me…I’m sick of Klingons and Romulans!!!

68. Covert Informant - November 23, 2011

It looks as though poster #25 is correct.

69. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 23, 2011

The probability that the Enterprise will encounter a Klingon or two is much, much greater than the Enterprise, this time round, coming across Khan. Logically, it makes a certain amount of sense to mention Klingons because they were, in the TOS era, a major force to be reckoned with. I don’t necessarily think they need to be a big adversary though. When JJ Abrams talks about villain, apart from meaning the “bad guy”, how much time will be spent on this villain is just conjecture at this point.

Unfortunately, whether it is Del Toro actually being in the sequel or whether they will actually film in Hawaii, is still not set in stone at this point, so we really have no idea where, who or what the main theme of the film will be.

@ JJ Abrams and co. – we have one or two jungle like settings down here in NZ. January is our summer, and there are no snakes and other poisonous creepy crawlies here. Just thought you would like to know…

Re: Khan – my own suspicions are that, if they are going to have Khan in the film, they already have the actor, but are keeping him under close wraps – for now. In 18 months time, we’ll know for certain.

70. dmduncan - November 23, 2011

I believe they can top TWOK by taking Khan in a different story direction.

On the subject of Klingons I will remain silent.

71. somethoughts - November 23, 2011

#67

If they re imagine Klingons and they rock, I hope you change your mind. Yes I am also sick of TNG, DS9 Klingons, that is why rebooting them and making them better will work, if they decided to do it.

Good thing Christopher Nolan didn’t listen to you regarding Heath Ledger playing Joker, it has been done, why go there? Same thing applies to ST09, they did and it worked, do you follow?

72. somethoughts - November 23, 2011

As long as it works and contributes to the story, I don’t really care if it’s a rock, a god, a superhuman, or a alien.

73. somethoughts - November 23, 2011

#70

Yes, even if it’s not Khan and some other random frozen smuck who is a superhuman, that would work also. Part 1 dealt with a madman from the future, Part 2 dealing with a genius from the past is not out of the question.

If he is called khan, billy bob, fry or superhumanx01, it doesn’t matter, as long as we get a good story and we enjoy watching it, people will still nitpick.

74. Aurore - November 23, 2011

As I said before, so long as his talent is not wasted ( if, indeed, he ends up being in the sequel)….

75. Harry Ballz - November 23, 2011

See, here’s the thing…..the Supreme Court says they want to have a villain in the sequel. The intelligent people here squeal in protest, saying it should be a Doomsday Machine/circumstance, defining the key player’s character, kind of story. The Supreme Court automatically dismisses such commentary, claiming to know better. NO, you don’t know better, you just happen to be lucky enough to be put in a position of authority to make the final call. That doesn’t make you right.

Don’t forget, the public was right when they saw that the Emperor wore no clothes.

LET’S HOPE YOU DIDN’T GO THE VILLAIN ROUTE, THAT WOULD BE CRAP. IT’S BEEN DONE TO DEATH! TRY TO BE DIFFERENT, YOU MIGHT ACTUALLY ENJOY IT!

76. Covert Informant - November 23, 2011

Anyone remember this article?

http://trekmovie.com/2010/10/25/rumor-no-khan-for-star-trek-sequel-but-known-tos-villain/

77. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 23, 2011

“The Supreme Court automatically dismisses such commentary, claiming to know better.”

How do you know the Supreme Court has done any such thing?

The *problem* is that we, the people, are divided on various issues – like whether there should be another big, bad villain. Some say that the film won’t fly without there being one. Others disagree and I am one of those people. Others can’t stand the Spock/Uhura relationship and want it ended. Others like it and want to see it flourish. Many want to see remakes/reimaginings of their favourite TOS episodes appear on the big screen. Others don’t. Therein lies the problem for the Supreme Court.

At some point, they are just going to have to dismiss much of our commentary and go with what feels right and doable for them and hope to hell that the majority will approve of the final product.

Hopefully, we, as their consultants, have been helpful. The way I hope I might have been helpful to Bob Orci is by presenting him with an idea of a new world and people that have not been written about before (not that I know of). It may have given him ideas – I don’t know. None of us know at this point. I do not hear the Supreme Court saying they know better.

78. cloudynow - November 23, 2011

garth…

79. Buzz Cagney - November 23, 2011

I find my sympathies are with you more and more, Vults.
The problem is these writers don’t appear to do much in the way of new and original. Their forte is taking past characters and circumstances and reworking them. And that isn’t meant as a criticism, they do that very well. But if we are expecting something new I think we may be hoping for too much.
Best keep you hope’s at a more realistic level. I’m expecting Khan, Klingons and Borg the whole way. ;-)

80. Covert Informant - November 23, 2011

#78…..Wrong character.

81. Harry Ballz - November 23, 2011

77.

Keachick, just the fact that JJ Abrams is in “talks” with Benicio Del Toro would seem to indicate a villain dynamic. What are we going to see, Del Toro playing a Talosian or Klingon with a Spanish accent? Pure shit.

82. Trekkiesincebirth - November 24, 2011

Why am I not allowed to see this clip in germany????

83. somethoughts - November 24, 2011

#81

I will see the movie before assuming or passing judgement :)

84. Aurore - November 24, 2011

“Why am I not allowed to see this clip in germany????”

Probably for the same reasons I’m not allowed to see this clip in France…

:))

85. somethoughts - November 24, 2011

#81

Maybe Khan is in the cage hosted by the Talosians and is forced to mate with Uhura and Spock kicks some Talosian ass lol

86. somethoughts - November 24, 2011

I can’t see the clip in Canada, they shouldn’t have regional blocking, defeats the purpose of the internet.

87. Harry Ballz - November 24, 2011

83.

Well, good for you!

88. Covert Informant - November 24, 2011

#77 Keachick…….please watch. As a matter of fact….all of you watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OpKBNqmSZo&feature=player_embedded

89. Nano - November 24, 2011

I see them utilizing a past episode or character that perhaps didn’t live up to its potential “Doctor Richard Daystrom and the M 5″

Possibly a reboot of STMP with a Klingon or Khan sub plot.

I personally hoping for a Gary Seven!

90. Covert Informant - November 24, 2011

#89 Nano:

True but it wont be Kahn. It will be a starfleet character we saw.

91. CardassiaPrimera - November 24, 2011

Kor, son of Rynar. This is he rol of Benicio Del Toro.

92. baz wakefield - November 24, 2011

Harry mudd!!!! that would be funny

93. VZX - November 24, 2011

Please no Khan, PLease no Khan, Please no Khan!

I’m good with Klingons, Gorn, or even Harry Mudd…but no Khan!

94. TrekMessiah - November 24, 2011

KOR!

95. Tiberius Subprime - November 24, 2011

He’ll be a Telosian.

Or Gary Mitchell.

96. SciFiGuy - November 24, 2011

#71 — Yes, of course, I reserve the right to be wrong in my opinion! HAHA!!! Hey, I’m a Trek fan…I would never say I’ll never see a Trek film. LOL!! I’ll see it — whatever they do…but, I have my preference as to what I personally would like to see in a film. But again…they may prove me wrong.

97. SciFiGuy - November 24, 2011

Gary Mitchell? Hmm…if so, interesting!!

98. Bob Tompkins - November 24, 2011

97- No Gary Mitchell, the comics have already deal with that. He is the only actor besides Javier Bardem who could handle Khan…

99. Sebastian S. - November 24, 2011

I sincerely hope it’s my vote choice… ‘other.’

No Khan or Klingons, please. Don’t tell me that in a new, alternate timeline of new possibilities that it’s only going to boil down to Khan or Klingons? I’m still overdosed on Klingons from previous Trek, and we really don’t need a retread of Space Seed/Wrath of Khan. They got it right the first time.

It’s like the creative powers-that-be hit the “K” section of Michael and Denise Okuda’s Trek Encylopedia and stopped…

100. Red Dead Ryan - November 24, 2011

Well, what I do know, judging by the heated debate on this site, is that it’s impossible to satisfy every Tom, Dick, and Harry!

101. somethoughts - November 24, 2011

Who are we kidding, everyone on this site posting will see the new movie regardless. The difference is if they see it more than once.

102. somethoughts - November 24, 2011

I would like some post credit scenes like they did in iron man, thor, captain america leading up to avengers to reward the folks who sit there till the credits are done rolling.

103. Red Dead Ryan - November 24, 2011

#102.

Yeah, that would be cool! Bob said that they had considered putting a teaser at the end of the credits for the last movie which would have featured the Botany Bay floating through space but they ditched the concept because it was too presumptous.

104. somethoughts - November 24, 2011

#103

Imagine a quick 5min teaser scene after the sequel credits are done rolling and we see the botany bay being investigated by klingon warship and camera zooms in to see the warship being commanded by a super human and fades to summer 2015.

105. Phil - November 24, 2011

@25. BDT as Janice Rand?

106. Phil - November 24, 2011

@65. You are kidding, right? Using that logic, all we would ever see are musicals, because you can’t flesh out a character in a two hour movie? It can be done just fine in the Trek universe, as long as conon isn’t the only driving factor in developing the story.

107. SciFiGuy - November 24, 2011

#98 — Comics aren’t canon and I posted what I did after going back to the older Trekmovie article listing the potential “villains” for this film. Of the one’s shown — only one is a Starfleet office. That’s why I mentioned Gary Mitchell…

But, I’d rather see him in Trek film as the “Villain” than the Klingons or Khan…

108. Cygnus-X1 - November 24, 2011

61. dmduncan – November 23, 2011

—-“With a rebooted Kirk, Spock, and McCoy we’ll have something to compare it to and the odds are that it will be a disappointment.”—-

I suspected that someone would try to make that equation.

The reason why it’s NOT an equation is that, as I qualified, “you just don’t reboot iconic characters unless you have a damned good reason.”

Kirk, Spock, McCoy are the MAIN CAST and hence their reboots are inextricably intertwined with the decision to revisit the adventures of the Enterprise NCC 1701 no bloody A, B, C or D. (or E)

And as we all learned, there actually WAS a damned good reason to reboot TOS: After 4 subsequent series, with 4 subsequent different ships, and 4 subsequent different casts, and 4 subsequent post-TOS films, the Trek franchise had been run into the ground actually been CANCELLED from TV and effectively cancelled from the theaters as well. So, rather than try their luck with yet another new cast/new ship/new premise, perhaps revisiting the tried-and-true TOS cast/ship/premise (with a few twists) for which many people had grown nostalgic would reinvigorate the franchise out of its 5-year limbo.

And still, it was a controversial decision of which many, many people around here and elsewhere did not approve. But, hats off to Orci & Kurtzman, they made it work well enough. Not perfectly, but well enough to be respectable.

And at this point, in only their second project, in literally a brand new barely-known universe, there is just no good reason that I can think of to be revisiting such a uniquely written and uniquely acted character. In fact, they even revisited that character’s motive in the last movie with NERO, which was perhaps the weakest link in the story.

Khan was a character driven by revenge. Bringing him back would require an extremely compelling and different motive, because the revenge story has been done (and redone). With literally a universe of possibilities, I simply cannot fathom a good reason to revisit Khan. And EVEN if they did think of a damned good reason story-wise, the comparison between the new actor and the brilliant Ricardo Montalban would be inescapable and fraught with peril.

The Trek universe is wide open at this point. A little creativity and original thinking are not too much to ask for.

109. somethoughts - November 24, 2011

#106

Name a new character in the star trek universe that has been done right in the past 32 years :)

Khan based on epis with past history
Kruge great scott
Sybok LOL
Chang good
Soran Stupid
Borg good based on epis with past history
Ruafo Waste of talented actor
Shinzon Waste of talented actor
Nero was decent but nobody got the whole 25 missing years or the mute act, no history and most didn’t read comics

Pretty poor track record for new characters and I didn’t even list the stupid ones created in DS9, Voyager, Enterprise uggh

110. Cygnus-X1 - November 24, 2011

109. somethoughts – November 24, 2011

—-Name a new character in the star trek universe that has been done right in the past 32 years :)—-

Dr. Carol Marcus, Dr. Gillian Taylor, Lt. Valeris, Borg Queen (all female, as it turns out)

But the difference between successfully revisited TOS characters, such as Khan, Zefram Cochran, and the notion of rebooting Khan is that, when Khan and Cochran were revisited, they had only been introduced in one TOS episode each. Revisiting them in TWOK and FC respectively served to flesh out some intriguing characters which had been introduced but not explored in depth. AND, an even more important distinction is that, with Khan who had been explored more than Cochran, the ORIGINAL ACTOR was available to play him. And that actor had been brilliant in the introduction of the character, and obviously was brilliant in revisiting him.

But now, Khan’s been done. We’ve spent an entire film with him. Seen what makes him tick. Seen him driven to the point of emotional instability in his chase of Kirk. Seen him die for his obsession. What more do you want from him?

Orci & Kurtzman went so far as to rid themselves of the entire TOS universe in order to not be bound by the canon of Trek past. And now, with all of their freedom and a universe of possibilities before them they’re going to reboot the most famous Trek villain of all time? I mean…

Look, there’s been plenty of bad Trek in the past 32 years. So it’s not really a fair question to begin with. I agree with you that DS9, VOY and ENT were bereft of memorable characters. Frankly, I was very disappointed with those series in toto. And we can throw out the dud TOS and TNG films—ST:TMP, STV, GEN & NEM (though I actually did enjoy F. Murray Abraham’s Ruafo, but I won’t make a stand on the quality of INSURRECTION as a film).

So really what we’ve got to choose from, if we’re looking at the TOS and TNG films, are STII, STIII, STIV, STVI and FC.

And those films had some good new characters.

111. somethoughts - November 24, 2011

#110

Fair points

112. somethoughts - November 24, 2011

I think we have seen enough kirk, spock and mccoy but I am curious as to how they unfold in this new universe.

113. dmduncan - November 24, 2011

108. Cygnus-X1 – November 24, 2011

And a good new Khan story is a very good reason to do a new Khan story, particularly if that is the story they feel most strongly drawn to telling.

You can no more say that a good new Khan story is impossible than that a good new Kirk story is impossible.

Don’t forget that just because you can’t imagine a good Khan story, doesn’t mean nobody else can imagine one. To imagine a good Khan story you need a desire to do that kind of story; and out of that desire, new possibilities will occur.

You clearly have no such desire, so to you no possibilities are likely to occur.

“Orci & Kurtzman went so far as to rid themselves of the entire TOS universe in order to not be bound by the canon of Trek past. And now, with all of their freedom and a universe of possibilities before them they’re going to reboot the most famous Trek villain of all time? I mean…”

Incorrect. Ridding themselves of the “entire TOS universe” means we aren’t doing Star Trek anymore.

I went to see ST.09 six times in the theater, half of those in IMAX.

I enjoyed that movie! A lot!

So…I’ve already bought the rejuvenation of characters that have been around since the 1960’s. It would be more arbitrary of me than I am known for being to all of a sudden say “No, not ONE more! — I can accept ten old characters rejuvenated, but ELEVEN??? Now you’ve gone TOO far, Boborci!!!”

Where was all this desire for something “new” when Star Trek got put on the drawing board? Oh, excuse me, on the RE-drawing board.

A Khan story does not mean Space Seed redone. It means a NEW Khan scenario, which is something the details of which you are very unlikely to imagine. So whatever Khan story you are objecting to, it is the one YOU imagine seeing, and not necessarily the one somebody else is doing.

114. dmduncan - November 24, 2011

And sorry to be so contrarian, but as much as I liked TWOK, I also think it was a waste of Khan to turn him into a madman with one gloved hand and a mullet.

I think an alternative Khan story can be done just as good, if not better.

115. somethoughts - November 24, 2011

#114

Yes, imagine a Khan that wasn’t revived by the Enterprise and marooned on ceti alpha v. It brings up a good theme, is a man destined for greatness or evilness or simply a product of his environment and circumstances. If you look at terrorists like osama bin laden it does have a cultural relevance.

116. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 24, 2011

#81 What? Do you have a problem with the Spanish accent? How do you know that the Talosians or Klingons don’t have a language or accent similar to that of Spanish? It doesn’t matter how an alien might sound to our ears. I’m sure someone around the world will say – “Hey, that alien sounds a bit like ?. Pure shit!”

I found it amusing that Nero sounded a little like an Australian (given where the actor, who played Nero, comes from), but people, aliens are going to sound like something, even if it may sound familiar to one or two people on this planet. However, I do not think that the way Nero spoke/sounded was pure shit, not at all.

117. Capt Crash - November 24, 2011

I think, and anyone and everyone can correct me if I am wrong here, but if we (as fans) look back into TOS and the 6 TOS films, has it ever really been explained or seen why exactly Kirk made such an handful of enemies of the Klingon Empire? Sure we know that Starfleet and the Klingon Empire have always been on shaky relations for decades…but to me, I really do not think the story was ever explained in full detail. We are familiar with the Kilingon assignation of Kirk’s son, David in ST3: SFS….but in TOS, I just do not recall a true explanation or the story ever being told…just referenced.

Could it be, that DelToro is the Klingon antagonist that fuels the notorious feud between Kirk/Enterprise and the Klingon Empire?

I think that this would be an interesting story to explore in the Abram-verse here, because I do not think it was ever fully explained/seen why Kirk made such a huge enemy of the Klingon.

Thoughts? Comments?

118. TrekMessiah - November 24, 2011

@117
decades of being with raised Starfleet propaganda brainwashed Kirk into a Klingon hater.

119. TrekMessiah - November 24, 2011

somehow “raised” and “with” switched places in my last post. weird…

120. Richard C. - November 24, 2011

I’d love to see him play a TOS-style Klingon!

121. SciFiGuy - November 24, 2011

#114 — Yes, but then if they are going to change Khan that much then they might as well just create a new character…their OWN. What’s the point of having Khan if only to change it to be unrecognizeable in a completely new scenario?

I’m just against these movies turning into a “parade of bad guys”. That will just turn Trek into Batman or James Bond…and it’s not what Star Trek is about. Truthfully, Star Trek: TMP, Star Trek IV and V best represent what Star Trek should be…at least with regard to storytelling. Granted the final films left a lot to be desired but the stories were PURE TREK.

I know it’s futile to hope for it, but dammit…I wish Trek could get back to telling those kinds of stories in the movies!!!

122. dmduncan - November 24, 2011

121: “#114 — Yes, but then if they are going to change Khan that much then they might as well just create a new character”

What are you talking about? There was an episode and a movie having Khan. He was nuts in the latter, sane in the former. So the character already went through drastic revision from one to the other and it worked out just fine.

Creating a different set of circumstances would lead to yet another different exploration of the character.

Why do that?

Why bother with Kirk and the crew of the Enterprise again at all? Because ALL of the characters are worth revisiting again. Khan too.

To me, that question makes no sense on a site dedicated to fans who want to see the refurbishment of a franchise with a set of characters that has existed since the 1960’s.

Just like Gene Roddenberry raided The Changeling for the plot of STTMP, I see nothing wrong with putting a different spin on an old story again, so long as there’s room for improvement, you aim high, and you hit your mark. And with Space Seed there is definitely room for improvement.

123. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 24, 2011

117. My impression has always been, and I’m guessing this probably crossed your mind, that in the several meetings we witnessed between Kirk and the Kingons, Kirk devloped a reputation by usually coming out on top, and they would have, no doubt, rubbed him wrong. Witnessing the hourly massacres in “Errand of Mercy,” would have reenforced any prejudice he might have developed during their “cold war.” At least that’s how I saw it. Trying to recall the episodes now:
Errand of Mercy ended in a tie.
Friday’s Child goes to Kirk.
Trouble with Tribbles, Kirk again.
Elaan of Troyius, Kirk once more.
Day of the Dove, a tie.
And that’s just the series…
Am I missing any?

124. moauvian waoul - aka: seymour hiney - November 24, 2011

But to your question, I guess they showed it more than they explained it.

125. Red Dead Ryan - November 24, 2011

Kirk didn’t truly hate the Klingons until after Kruge killed his son. Even then, his hatred didn’t really develop right away, as Kirk tried to show mercy to Kruge, and only kicked him into the magma after Kruge tried to take him down with him. Kirk spared Maltz life after Kirk and co. seized the Bird Of Prey.

It wasn’t really until “The Undiscovered Country” that we saw Kirk’s racist bigotry of the Klingons.

126. Cygnus-X1 - November 24, 2011

113. dmduncan – November 24, 2011

By “rid themselves of the entire TOS universe” I meant the Prime Universe, i.e. the universe in which TOS was set. Obviously the Alternative Universe of ST’09 is still a “Trek Universe.” But the point was that the Alt Universe of ST’09, in which the sequel will presumably be set, is wide open with very few prerequisites for the sake of consistency. And with so much freedom, and having sacrificed so much for that freedom, it seems a waste to go backward and redo the most memorable Trek villain of all time.

You’re right that the possibilities are not limited to what I might imagine—obviously. And if the writing team came up with a mind-bending story premise involving Khan, of course I’d be excited to see it. But I think that the people clamoring for another Khan story should suggest what more exactly they want from Khan, besides a nostalgic trip down memory lane with a comfortable character from the past.

What do you want out of another Khan story? It should be something that justifies the inherent risks mentioned above in terms of re-casting that role and resurrecting that classic character who went out in a blaze of glory. And the story would need to be compelling enough to overcome the missing element of innovation: If the character is already known to us, then there had better be enough surprises and unpredictability relating to his role in the story to overcome the fact that we are so familiar with him already. And, above all else, the Khan reboot would absolutely have to do justice to Montalban’s performance and the way the character was written in TWOK. Otherwise, you’ve just degraded the best Trek character of all time, thank you very much. How do you feel about that? You ready to be held accountable for that risky of a decision? As I said, there had better be a damned good reason to take that risk.

127. Jim Nightshade - November 25, 2011

Fyi 4 those not old enuf–gladys kravitz was a next door neighbor of samantha n darren stevens in bewitched sitcom from the 60s starred elizabeth montgomery as a witch who marries a mortal—gladys was always spying on them seeing the strange happening n trying to convince her hudband of what she saw usually corrected seconds after poor gladys saw it—
aint it coo news was guesding bern. was gonna be a gorn captain…

128. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 25, 2011

OMG I remember watching Bewitched first time around and then the re-runs. I loved that show. Now that you have reminded me, I do remember Gladys Kravitz – poor woman. She could never get anyone to believe her, except the audience, of course.

129. SciFiGuy - November 25, 2011

“What do you want out of another Khan story? It should be something that justifies the inherent risks mentioned above in terms of re-casting that role and resurrecting that classic character who went out in a blaze of glory. And the story would need to be compelling enough to overcome the missing element of innovation: If the character is already known to us, then there had better be enough surprises and unpredictability relating to his role in the story to overcome the fact that we are so familiar with him already. And, above all else, the Khan reboot would absolutely have to do justice to Montalban’s performance and the way the character was written in TWOK. Otherwise, you’ve just degraded the best Trek character of all time, thank you very much. How do you feel about that? You ready to be held accountable for that risky of a decision? As I said, there had better be a damned good reason to take that risk.”

VERY well put!!! One of the points I had in the back of my head but #122 seems intent on having Khan back no matter what…so, I gave up on the discussion…

130. moauvian waoul - aka: seymour hiney - November 25, 2011

Gotta agree with Ryan. Though Kirk was never a fan of the Klingons on TOS, and clearly considered them a threat, rivals, and dangerous, it wasnt until the movies that it became personal.

131. DeShonn Steinblatt - November 25, 2011

10, 15, 57, 108, 110, 126

Wouldn’t that be something if they were to shut down the production now and rewrite the script for you. I must say, I would be suitably impressed.

132. Cygnus-X1 - November 25, 2011

That would be awesome. I’d LOVE to have final editing over the script. Let them generate the ideas and flesh out the story, and when they’re done I’ll tell them the things that definitely have to be changed. In the last film, out would have been NERO’s motivation, the science flubs and derelictions, and the monster-chase scene.

133. Cygnus-X1 - November 25, 2011

P.S. The monster-chase seen would have been replaced by a longer, deeper, more detailed conversation between Kirk and Spock Prime, which would have included more (and more scientifically accurate) detail in Spock’s mind-meld synopsis recounting the history of NERO, the RED MATTER, the SUPERNOVA, etc…

134. Cygnus-X1 - November 25, 2011

scene*

135. Bruce Banner - November 25, 2011

@125 Ryan, didn’t you just love it when Kirk broke down on the bridge and fell backward into the Captain’s chair and uttered that unforgettable line……..I LOVE MY DEAD GAY SON!

With apologies to the movie “Heathers”, which starred Winona Ryder, another Trek connection.

136. dmduncan - November 25, 2011

126: “What do you want out of another Khan story?”

What I would want out of is the three dimensional portrayal of a genius prince who wakes up in a time where he has no place or function, and how he responds to that. My idea is he does something totally different than we saw in Space Seed.

“And, above all else, the Khan reboot would absolutely have to do justice to Montalban’s performance and the way the character was written in TWOK. Otherwise, you’ve just degraded the best Trek character of all time, thank you very much. How do you feel about that?”

Well I’ll tell you. It doesn’t worry me at all, at least not for the reason you mention.

When Keanu Reeves tried to fill the shoes of Michael Rennie in The Day The Earth Stood Still, not only was I underwhelmed, but I left the theater thinking I had just seen one of the most lamest remakes of a classic movie ever.

That lousy remake made the original look that much better. And if they attempt Khan with whomever, and they do not pull it off, I’ll feel the same way.

Let’s say Del Toro IS being considered for Khan, just for the sake of the argument. Well, if he does a lousy Khan, it isn’t the ghost of Ricardo Montalban that has to worry, it is the still embodied spirit of Benicio Del Toro that has to worry for looking bad next to Ricardo Montalban.

The only thing I am concerned about is if the sequel turns out bad. But that has nothing to do with whether they do Khan or some other subject. it could be done well or done not so well no matter the subject.

But I believe in these guys not least because they took their time to decide on this story. I would be worried if they rushed the sequel into production, but they certainly didn’t do that here. They took their time to write a story that they finally decided was the right story for them to tell. So no matter what the subject is, it’s a positive sign that they thought this one over for quite a while before committing to it, and decided after all that time that this was the story to tell.

137. Cervantes - November 25, 2011

No ‘Khan’ for this sequel, I hope! He’s been done in a movie already, and done well, and we’ve already had a ‘Khan’-lite type of villain in the first reboot anyway.

But I’m beginning to think that they aren’t going to go down that route for the sequel after all, and are actually intending to cast Benicio as – http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/2507/imagesca14ykp6.jpg

…which would be great, as we might end up getting a re-imagining of one of TOS’s finest cerebral moments concept-wise. So I’m hoping that the ‘Hawaii’ locations could possibly be intended as the backdrop for these particular antagonists (here’s the ‘Guardian’ designs from ‘Green Lantern’ to give an idea of how these guys could be re-imagined) – http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/43/imagesca8wjg7.jpg

and – http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/2896/glt200097.jpg

…or we might end up with a ‘Klingon’ shoot-em-up. But I’d rather they kept that for the NEXT sequel after this one, if they have too. I may be wrong, but I just don’t think J.J. wil try to re-imagine ‘Khan’. Yet…

138. Cervantes - November 25, 2011

Oops, here’s the correct 2nd link showing a ‘Guardian’ – http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/43/imagesca8wjg7i.jpg

139. dmduncan - November 25, 2011

129: “One of the points I had in the back of my head but #122 seems intent on having Khan back no matter what…so, I gave up on the discussion…”

No. For, like, the fourth time now: I’ll accept any story whether it is about Khan or not, so long as it is a good story. I don’t CARE if it is or is not about Khan specifically.

140. Adolescent Nightmare - November 25, 2011

133.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

141. somethoughts - November 25, 2011

#140

Wake up! Kirk is dual wielding assault rifles as the camera pans 360 in slow motion we see bam head shots to several Elite Klingon Martial artists. Kor dodges in slow motion detail as they run up to each other intent on winning the war.

142. yorgi - November 26, 2011

@ 11. Craiger:
Justin Bieber WAS Chekov. With at least one Big Nacelle were the sun doesn’t shine.

143. Carla Titmuss - November 26, 2011

I hope Benicio Del Toro will play the head of the Orion Syndicate.

144. Sebastian S. - November 26, 2011

143.

That’s actually the first really interesting choice I’ve read so far… and it’s something we haven’t seen before. Good call!

I’m just sick of Khan, Klingon or Gary Mitchell (of which he’s way too old to play; Mitchell was Kirk’s age). Nice outside-of-the-box thinking, Carla…
;-)

145. Cygnus-X1 - November 26, 2011

137. Cervantes – November 25, 2011

What makes you think that Gary Mitchell will be in the sequel?

146. Red Dead Ryan - November 26, 2011

Gary Mitchell was featured already in the reboot TOS comics. I don’t think he’s going to be in the movie.

147. Cervantes (M) - November 26, 2011

@ #145 Cygnus-X1

…just the fact that I’d like to believe they wouldn’t do anything as obvious as rehash a villain that was kinda similar in ‘tone’ to their ‘Nero’…albeit ‘Khan’ is a superior character anyway. Also, I seem to remember a comment/rumour from a ‘production source’ recently (can’t recall where exactly) that said Benicio wasn’t going to be ‘Khan’ but fans would be pleased with the *Starfleet* role he was actually being offered.

That could be anyone, but I’ve thrown in some wishful thinking too, lol.

Unfortunately, I’ve since read another rumour that a ‘source’ close to the production reckons we’re getting a combination of ‘Khan’ *and* ‘The Borg’ instead…so all bets are off I guess.

148. Cygnus-X1 - November 26, 2011

Yeah, I heard a rumor that they’re bringing back Khan to reveal that he’s Kirk’s real step-father.

149. Cervantes (M) - November 26, 2011

@ #148 Cygnus-X1

…by the way some elements were ‘re-imagined’ by the makers in the first one, not even that would surprise me as being true…

150. somethoughts - November 26, 2011

#148

I heard George Kirk isnt dead and hes a prisoner on rure pente mining for the Klingons. Spocks mom, Amanda and Vulcan is stuck 100+yrs in the future and is having tea with Picard and B4.

Spocks father hooks up with Kirks mom and double date with Spock and Uhura. James Kirk with the help of trelane restores the timeline. We can once again slingahot around the sun.

151. Cygnus-X1 - November 26, 2011

150. somethoughts – November 26, 2011

Now you’re being ridiculous.

I just can’t believe that they would ever bring back B4.

Worst. Character. Ever.

152. somethoughts - November 26, 2011

#151

heheheheh

153. somethoughts - November 26, 2011

Let’s pretend First Contact was TNG’s last film and they had to live out their normal lives in Earth’s past.

There is no way, they can recreate the Borg’s temporal vortex and the only reason the Vulcan scout ship cared about Earth is because it detected the Enterprise E. Cochrane was portrayed like such a loser in First Contact, alcoholic drunk who wanted to party with naked chicks on the moon and wanted lots of money. FU Berman!

154. Jovan - November 27, 2011

#15 has a good point. Though to be fair, Shinzon was a human clone…

155. Harry Ballz - November 27, 2011

That bottom picture of Del Toro at the top of this thread. Comb his hair forward, give him a soup bowl haircut all the way around, and tell me that he wouldn’t be perfect to play Moe in a Three Stooges movie!

Now THAT would be inspired casting!

156. DS9 IN PRIME TIME - November 28, 2011

It will be good no matter what they make!

157. NuFan - November 28, 2011

Yes, it will!

158. Robman007 - November 29, 2011

Too old to be Khan. Remember, these movies are a whole 8 years before Kirk found Khan anyways, and Khan was much younger when Kirk first found him. Khan only looked older in Trek 2 because of the situation he was in on Ceti Alpha 5.

No, I’d prefer to see Del Toro play Kor or some other Klingon.

159. Battle-scarred Sciatica - November 29, 2011

He is obviously going to be playing the giant chicken of Astrakan IX.

…its all in the eyes

…What a muther clucker…..

160. 4 8 15 16 23 42 - November 29, 2011

BDT could play a Klingon handily. BUT, I am hoping that the Bad Robot crew is choosing to take the Star Trek franchise where it has not gone before, and avoid all established lore…. Enough with the same alien races, it’s time for something new!

161. Cervantes (M) - November 30, 2011

…at the end of the day, it’s likely he’s playing ‘humanoid’-looking character, whether there’s a little ‘bumpy-headed’ make-up or not…

Dammit, I wanted a truly full-blown ‘alien’-looking villain this time around, so I’ll be disappointed if he’s the only adversary in this.

162. Hat Rick - December 2, 2011

Stop the presses! Stop the Internet servers! Stop the yttrium-powered idea generators on Alpha Ceti Seven!

For it is I, the ONE with the inside, inside, INSIDE scooperama, and verily I doth say unto thee,

The villain will be someone from Section 31.

(Hey, why not?)

The source of my information is so inside, so classified, that I have no idea what it is, how I received it, or any particulars similar to somesuch thereof. Though, I’m sure it must be legit.

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