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Giacchino Tweets Into Darkness Music Clips + Soundtrack Available For Pre-order [UPDATED] April 3, 2013

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Music,Star Trek (2009 film),Star Trek Into Darkness , trackback

Oscar-winning composer Michael Giacchino continues to tease out bits from his March recording session of the score for Star Trek Into Darkness. Today he sent out a video with actual music from the film. You can watch (and listen) to the below. Plus if you are in Switzerland (or nearby) next week you can see Giacchino perform the score to the 2009 Star Trek move live along with a projection of the movie. Details below. [UPDATE: Now with 4 clips + Soundtrack now available for pre-order]

 

UPDATE 3: Into Darkness Soundtrack now available for pre-order

Michael Giacchino’s soundtrack for Star Trek Into Darkness is now available for pre-order at Amazon. The soundtrack CD is priced at $17.98 and will be released May 14th by Varese Sarabande. There is no album art or track list available yet.

UPDATE 2 : Giacchino Tweets Star Trek Into Darkness music clips

On Wednesday April 2nd composer Michael Giacchino did some live tweeting from the final day of recording the score for Star Trek Into Darkness. In all he tweeted out four different clips via Telly. TrekMovie has compiled the four clips into a single YouTube video (below).

While the music bears a strong similarity to the end credits for the 2009 Star Trek movie, there are subtle differences and TrekMovie has confirmed this is from Giacchinio’s score for Star Trek Into Darkness It appears that Giacchino is capping off the new movie in much the same way he did the last one, including the touches of Alexander Courage’s original Star Trek theme.

After TrekMovie put up our first article, the composer also went on the record about the clips, via a tweet to @TrekMovie…

Giacchino to perform Star Trek (2009) Live in Switzerland next week

In other Giacchino Star Trek news, the composer is headed to Switzerland next week to perform the "Intergalactic World Premiere" of "Star Trek – Live to Projection" with the 21st Century Symphony & Orchestra at the KKL Luzern Concert Hall.


Giacchino to perform Star Trek "live to projection" in Switzerland next week.

Giacchino will conduct the 21st Century Orchestra and the 21st Century Choir in front of a projection of the 2009 Star Trek movie. According to the 21st Century Orchestra announcement, they have been working together with Paramount and Giacchino for months putting together the event. They say it is a concert not just for Trekkies "but for all lovers of good music and breathtaking adventures."

There are only three peformances of "Star Trek – Live to Projection" – Friday April 12, Saturday April 13 and Sunday April 14. Tickets range from 40 to 150 Swiss Francs. You can purchase tickets at the the KK-Luzern.ch site.


Poster for "Star Trek – Live To Projection"

Comments

1. clark billy - April 3, 2013

awesum !!!

2. somethoughts - April 3, 2013

fking sweet!!!!

3. Pensive's Wetness - April 3, 2013

sounds like the end music from the arrangement. Sounds Exciting! (2nd?)

4. Phil - April 3, 2013

I’d go to that concert….

5. Xeos - April 3, 2013

the clip isnt actually new music, its just a new recording of old music! i want to hear some new stuff!!

6. Chris - April 3, 2013

I’m pretty sure this excerpt is actually from the end credits of Star Trek (2009). Could this be a rehearsal for the Live to Projection?

7. Jovius the Romulan - April 3, 2013

So… any word yet if Ben Burtt is returning to do sound effects?

8. Andrew - April 3, 2013

I favourited this tweet instantly. Such an awesome thing to share.

9. Jonathan - April 3, 2013

Seems it’s been deleted already…

10. Jonathan - April 3, 2013

… and now it works!

Sounds like a tweaked version of the 2009 theme

11. Anthony Pascale - April 3, 2013

It is confirmed that is music from Star Trek Into Darkness

12. Anthony Pascale - April 3, 2013

Yes TrekMovie has already reported that Burtt has returned. In fact in our last article on the Star Trek Into Darkness scoring sessions there was a picture of Burtt and Giacchino on the scoring stage together.

13. Zigzag1701 - April 3, 2013

Cannot wait to hear the new score !
I got the chance to see Michael Giacchino conduct in Dallas last May.
Simply amazing, wish I could go to the event in Lucerne.
I pasted a link below from the Dallas concert in May 2012

http://youtu.be/-qjFgiyRN9I

14. JohnRambo - April 3, 2013

AWEEEEEEEESOOOOMEEEEE!!!!!!!!!

15. The Professor - April 3, 2013

Sounds good. But it is nothing that we pretty much have not heard before.

16. JohnRambo - April 3, 2013

Boldly Go… http://telly.com/BL18GL

17. MattR - April 3, 2013

Sounds like the end credits for Into Darkness are similar to that for Trek XI.

18. Keachick - April 3, 2013

I doubt we will hear the actual music recorded for this specific film, STID, until we sit in the cinema. This music provides continuity for these Star Trek movie iterations, with, of course, homage given to the very original Alexander Courage music, that was the theme to TOS, the original TV series.

Good music!

19. Clinton - April 3, 2013

Yes. I notice the clips are cut in such a way that Michael does not give us hints of any new themes he’s composing for STID. But it’s good to hear the team is continuing to use both the previous movie’s theme and the Courage theme. Nice!

20. scotchyscotchscotch - April 3, 2013

i got chills

21. AJ - April 3, 2013

All this, and everyone thought JJ was already over at Disney with SW7.

Of course, the question remains: MG or John Williams?

22. Charlie - April 3, 2013

“Star Trek – Live to Projection” would be a great Fathom Events offering… would happily pay to see it in my local theater!

23. Sunfell - April 3, 2013

That first clip definitely had some new stuff in it. Glad to see JJ! But on Telly, all the link got was that jumping dog video. I think he took it down over there.

24. Jason - April 3, 2013

I’d love to know when we can preorder the Soundtrack; and it will be like the limited edition of the ST09 CD?

25. Marja the film score lover - April 3, 2013

EXCITING!

How fun and thrilling it must be for JJ Abrams to listen to the live orchestra scoring “his” film.

How cool to see ST with a live orchestra! I am so happy for the Swiss! Could we have several similar events in different regions in the US? That would be delightful!

I like that Giacchino is reiterating themes from ST 2009; there will be certain motifs repeated, such as the one heard here, what I think of as the theme uniting Kirk with the Enterprise. Personally I hope to hear that lovely, rather melancholy, Vulcan theme for Spock.

The repeated themes give great continuity, and I’m sure we’ll hear plenty of new, exciting themes to accompany the new adventures.

26. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - April 3, 2013

I like this Music!!!. It’s Exciting!.

27. aligee - April 3, 2013

That original theme still makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up ….amazing!

28. Prettyconfusd - April 3, 2013

The recording studio kind of looks like the bridge of the new enterprise with JJ’s captains chair in the middle and the massive ‘viewscreen’ at the front looking at the orchestra. Pretty cool!

29. NCC-73515 - April 3, 2013

Nothing new… this soundtrack is soooo 2009 XD

30. George Zip - April 3, 2013

> “Star Trek – Live to Projection” would be a great Fathom Events offering…
> would happily pay to see it in my local theater!

Double ditto that!

31. Dr. Cheis - April 3, 2013

I’m glad the music is so close to the music in the first one. It always bugs me when the sequel movie sounds little like the original.

32. Ciarán - April 3, 2013

So basically, we’re not going to hear the actual Alexander Courage “Star Trek” theme until the end of this movie. Again? Very disappointing.

33. Jonboc - April 3, 2013

#32 “So basically, we’re not going to hear the actual Alexander Courage “Star Trek” theme until the end of this movie. Again? Very disappointing.”

How in the world did you come up with that conclusion?? By listening to two clips? Amazing, the conclusions leaped to with, as Spock would say, “insufficient data” to support such claims. How about waiting until you hear the other 120 minutes before you start moping?

34. Gary A. Neumann - April 3, 2013

OMG Zunft by the chest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

35. Jack - April 3, 2013

Only the second clip sounds a bit different to me, the other two sound pretty identical to Trek 09′s end score. I was expecting darker, but maybe everything really does end all rosy.

I gotta say, this was a pet peeve pf mine with the TNG movies, they had the same closing scores (each one would incorporate sections of the particular themes from that movie, but they started and ended the same)

There’s something about the way they do the TOS theme that bugs me, others here have described it as lounge-lizardy and cheesy. I don’t know if it’s the tempo or what it is… Am I out to lunch?

36. bk - April 3, 2013

Fix the E design so it might rival TMP? No.

Hire a composer that might chase an Oscar for this movie vs. a different one? No.

And God help us if its Khan.

This all feels like its been mailed in. Hopefully I’m wrong.

37. Son of Sarek - April 3, 2013

While grateful to hear these snippets, the pieces all sound virtually identical to ST 2009, aside from temp and orchestration variances. Hoping there is more originality throughout the film. Still yearn for the glory days of Goldsmith and Horner, but hope to similarly experience some goosebump inducing works from Giacchino!

38. Achtung baby! - April 3, 2013

HOW COOL! That’s Tobias Richter’s CG rendering of the Enterprise!!

39. Matt - April 3, 2013

i remember listening to these 100 times when the soundtrack came out.

40. MJ - April 3, 2013

@37. Parts of Horner’s scores are starting to sounded “dated” to me. Goldsmith’s Trek music is still great, but unfortunately it it now too tied in my mind to TNG series and movies, so it no longer had much applicability to me outside of hearing his stunning TMP score.

41. MJ - April 3, 2013

“bk” — so whose sockpuppet are you tonight? LOL

42. MJ - April 3, 2013

@31 “I’m glad the music is so close to the music in the first one. It always bugs me when the sequel movie sounds little like the original.”

Agreed. Add in a new theme for Harrison, but the keep the rest the same. If it worked great the first time, please don’t fix it.

43. Devon - April 3, 2013

Guys, one thing to remember is that he may not be able to play the new compositions due to NDA. So he’s just letting us peer into the recording process that features something we had heard before and won’t get him in trouble. (I’m speculating though.)

44. cpelc - April 3, 2013

Posted a fourth video on his twitter with TOS theme sung by choir.

45. molander - April 3, 2013

My theory is .. that captain pike is killed and kirk is once again promoted to captain.. Harrison is an alias and some how affiliated with the space seed theory of khan or is khan.. Remember , originally in the 2009 star trek movie the space seed ship was suppose to be seen in that alternate version.. What if.. nero’s ship that wasnt suppose to be in that time line enter at a point where it disrupted its path? what if that distress signal from the u.s.s. kelvin reached starfleet, and what if they did sent the ships to rescue the escape pods. And load and behold when they got there, they find… the s.s. botany bay ship? What if they awake the ”Harrison” alias and found out he was the genetic experiment from the past and programed him to be a rouge agent..? And what if he was promised to “free” the suspended animation pods that starfleet hid from the federation as a secret convert, and didnt? And his revenge on starfleet was a ploy to start war with the klingons while using terrorist acts on federation cities on earth. This attack on pike (upon if he is killed) sends kirk to see it as a personal responsibility to seek ‘Harrison” to justice.. I know is another character and I think it has to do with an alternate space seed twist… If not khan then who else?

46. Keachick - April 3, 2013

#43 – What is NDA?

47. The Sinfonian - April 3, 2013

NDA=non disclosure agreement?
Could just be that he hasn’t registered the score, since he probably was making changes right up to the recording….

48. Matt - April 3, 2013

#46 Non-Disclosure agreement

49. redrevan - April 3, 2013

The one with the choir is spine-tingling! Love it!

50. Dennis C - April 3, 2013

Biggest complaint about MG (and he’s not the only composer guilty of this) is that you can hear elements of “Lost” in ST 2009 and elements of ST 2009 AND “Lost” in “Super 8″ (cue up “The Gathering” from the “Lost” soundtrack). There’s a sameness to it. His best work was in “Up” which is a departure from his other scores.

The best Star Trek score is still Jerry Goldsmith’s from “Star Trek: TMP” with TWOK running a close second. “The Enterprise” is one of the best pieces of music ever composed for a film.

51. The Sinfonian - April 3, 2013

If he’s increasing the volume of the choir throughout, then that’s a good thing. I’m hoping for some insertions of more TOS motifs, like the Vulcan Lirpa fight and other classic cues at appropriate places in STID.

52. Aix - April 3, 2013

*listens to enterprising young men five times in a row*

53. Matt - April 3, 2013

just one more month folks. one more month.

54. redrevan - April 3, 2013

@53

I’m excited!!

55. scotchyscotchscotch - April 3, 2013

I hope he takes the Zimmer approach from Dark Knight… Hans has said that he tried to limit the hero music to make it more effective and it’s actually only heard twice in that film. I felt like MG kind of did the same in 09, off the top of my head I think it was 4 times: opening titles after prologue, Enterprise reveal, rings of Saturn and escaping the red matter singularity.

56. Mad Mann - April 3, 2013

Wow wow wow wow. That music rocks my socks! I love Giacchino, the best new-ish composer on the planet.

57. I'm Dead Jim! - April 3, 2013

Hmmmm. Needs more cowbell.

58. Scott - April 3, 2013

God you people. You are ridiculous. Jumping to such conclusions

Might I remind you that most of the Star Trek credit sequences follow the following forumula

A: Main Theme presentation

B: A secondary more mellow character theme(s) (Spock and/or the Villain)

C: Return to an alternate brassy presentation and recapitulation of the main theme.

Almost every single Star Trek score follows the same format, and every score that was composed by a returning composer used the SAME formula.

Goldsmith used this formula in TMP, V, First Contact, Insurrection and Nemesis. Enterprise/TMP theme -> Softer main theme -> Low brass presentation of Enterprise TMP theme

Horner used this formula in II & III. Main theme -> Spock Theme -> Alternate low brass presentation of main theme.

Eidelman used a variation of this formula in VI. Fanfare of his Starfleet Theme -> Spock Theme -> Main Theme

Rosenmann even used this format in IV, as ridiculous as his score was. Main theme -> Whale Fugue -> Main Theme

Dennis McCarthy used this format in Generations. Generations overture -> Nexus Theme -> Generations overture

So please stop getting bent out of shape over the exact same material being reused. It’s happened on every single film with a repeat composer who all followed a similar (and not unprecedented) format for end credits. This one will probably be Alexander Courage theme -> John Harrison Theme -> Any alternate love theme or Spock Theme -> Main Enterprise theme. And we’re probably missing the John Harrison/love theme new material, whatever that is.

And the mix, don’t get married to anything you hear in the mix here. You’re hearing a raw monitor return of the live room, not the final mix, and you’re hearing it from a smart phone mic.

59. scotchyscotchscotch - April 3, 2013

Scott that’s a pretty downright impressive analysis

60. The Sinfonian - April 3, 2013

Interesting note MG’s tweeted now:
“My music editor Alex Levy teaching an unspecified alien language to the choir… http://instagram.com/p/XqmRDDldlW/

Most likely this means there’s some sung KLINGON in the score? Here’s hoping!

61. JohnRambo - April 3, 2013

@50

“that you can hear elements of “Lost”

that was the reason i liked the 09 soundtrack.

“The best Star Trek score is still Jerry Goldsmith’s from “Star Trek: TMP” with TWOK running a close second. “The Enterprise” is one of the best pieces of music ever composed for a film.”

Giacchino has created the best Star Trek Score ever.

The only good thing about the TMP score was that sometimes you could hear the TOS theme.

and i hate the TWOK Soundtrack……..it sounds nothing like Star Trek!

62. Caesar - April 3, 2013

Yawn. Come on, MG, I know you can do better.

63. Son of Jello - April 3, 2013

Maybe the plot of STITD is starfleet trying to figure out how the moon got so close to the earth without anyone noticing. Maybe Harrison is playing Rocky Jones

64. MJ - April 3, 2013

@50 “Biggest complaint about MG (and he’s not the only composer guilty of this) is that you can hear elements of “Lost” in ST 2009 and elements of ST 2009 AND “Lost” in “Super 8″ (cue up “The Gathering” from the “Lost” soundtrack). There’s a sameness to it. His best work was in “Up” which is a departure from his other scores.”

James Horner is 10 times as guilty as MG in his scores sounding a bit alike here and there.

65. DB - April 4, 2013

I’m not really hearing much that is new, but I am liking it. JJ appears to be fascinated with his own thumb.

66. Red Dead Ryan - April 4, 2013

I think every composer has been guilty of recycling elements of their own music from time to time. It’s only natural. Horner, Goldsmith, Williams, Giacchino, etc. all have their signature sounds. An audio “fingerprint” if you will. It’s due to the musical arrangements that each composer favors.

For instance, the themes to “Raiders Of The Lost Ark” and “Superman: The Movie” are really quite similar to one another. A similar arrangement of horns and strings.

As for Michael Giaccino, I really like his music. I think he will do the majority of the music for the next SW movies. They’ll probably stick with the John Williams theme for the opening scrolls though.

67. CoffeeProf - April 4, 2013

I can’t get enough of that main riff. For the past 4 years I’ve caught myself humming it at random times.

68. J - April 4, 2013

The new ending credits, while disappointing as they seem to be virtually the same in terms of structure have nice tweaks making them sound more 1960s-alike (the first clip, i.e. the one at the very bottom especially)

69. Simon - April 4, 2013

#55 – emulate Zimmer? Ah hell no!

If anyone on the planet can hum a theme from THE DARK KNIGHT I’d be stunned. Unmemorable sonic wallpaper, the absolute worst music scoring for music lovers.

I’m glad Michael is keeping the motifs he established in the first film.

70. Fubamushu - April 4, 2013

Glad to see that the new Star Trek theme continues to be a very badly done rip-off of Danny Elfman’s Batman theme.

71. MJ - April 4, 2013

Who in the hell is Danny Eflman?

72. MJ - April 4, 2013

@69. While I will agree with you that Zimmer does not produce the type of score that one would like to listen to separate from the movie Batman; nevertheless, when heard with the context of the Batman movies, his scores are fracking brilliant and set the mood and pacing for the entire story.

73. Red Shirt Diaries - April 4, 2013

#72. I agree that Zimmers work fits the movies he does even if it is not liked by the “score geek” crowd. Zimmer’s “in-your-face” heart pounding Inception soundtrack took a good movie and made it great.

74. CaptRobau - April 4, 2013

I loved the 2009 Star Trek and while some things weren’t perfect, Michael Giacchino’s score was. The use of music in the cold open was especially mind-blowing. His score is definitely in the top 3 Star Trek scores for me and from what I hear here, he’s going to top that. The second video especially, even with it’s lower-quality mic, already got my heart racing. That choir really adds to the composition, which for the rest is pretty much the same thing. Those constantly rising vocals just make my hairs stand up straight.

75. Son of Jello - April 4, 2013

71 MJ Danny Elfman did the simpsons theme, Desperate Houswives and the Tim Burton Batman, Edward Scossorhands and many many other movie themes. But he started out in Oingo Boingo.:)

76. Son of Jello - April 4, 2013

71MJ
but I guess you were refering to the spelling mistake:)

77. Nathan - April 4, 2013

Cant wait for the movie soundtrack! However, I’m curious as to whether there will be a soundtrack for the upcoming video game? After all, most games now have a soundtrack release, and as MG has completed over two hours of music with a 100 piece orchestra, it would be a shame not o have one.

78. Mad Mann - April 4, 2013

After reading some of the comments here, I can’t believe people are so ridiculously harsh and ignorant. Of course he’s going to use the same themes from the 09 movie!!! What movie trilogy avoids using the main themes throughout? NONE!

Aren’t you embarrased?

79. Fubamushu - April 4, 2013

@71 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Elfman

@76 What spelling mistake?

80. JimJ - April 4, 2013

Apparently, a lot of the negative comments are from non-musicians. Also, this is FROM THE NEW MOVIE…any trained ear can hear that! I am so stoked for this movie!!! So glad he hs brought back his main themes and Courage’s theme. Changing everything would be STUPID!!!! Yes, FYI, I am a music teacher.

81. Son of Jello - April 4, 2013

@79 MJ:) spelt it Eflman and I was responding to that. He probably knows who Danny Elfman is but not Danny Eflman, I was trying to be helpfull Danny Eflman is Edward Scosserhands(75.) stunt double

82. Fubamushu - April 4, 2013

@80 So only trained musicians or music teachers are allowed to comment or critique? That’s not arrogant or elitist at all.

83. Son of Jello - April 4, 2013

80 Can your trained ear do any other tricks. I find when I walk mine in the park it can become disobedient when in earshot of other limbs. And the fine for not picking up your own earwax is a bit steep. Especially when I cant hear people tell me that my ear has made a mess on the grass because its off chasing a cotton ball I threw for it and im distracted. Sometimes when im in a hurry or late for work I just put my feet in the stirrup and ride it like a horse. And thats when im most gratefull im not vulcan.

84. SoonerDave - April 4, 2013

@66

There’s a big difference between composers having a recurring “signature” in their music and picking up what seem to be entire *swaths* of other compositions in later work. You can here stylistic similarities, for example, in Thomas Newman’s work in both “Finding Nemo” and “Shawshank Redemption,” but (at least not to my untrained ear) not just swaths of xeroxed music.

I was soured on James Horner for this very reason, and I remember the first time I caught it – had the TV on late at night, not really paying attention to it, and while I was in the other room I heard what I was certain was TWoK. That movie hadn’t been playing on whatever channel was on, so I thought “how did I miss that??” When I got back into the room, still recognizing the TWOK music, I come into some idiotic, cheesy space battle movie. I couldn’t believe how close the music was…until I saw the end credits, and saw “James Horner” as the musical composer. Seriously? Heck, for all I remember, perhaps that cheesy movie predated TWoK.

Same thing happened with “Cocoon.” There’s a scene where the old folks are escaping the nursing home, and sure enough, there’s another stretch of music that is nearly identical to stretches of his TWoK score. Heck, there are elements (although fewer) from “Sneakers” that carry a TWoK vibe, though less seemingly an outright copy.

I’m not “musically educated” by any means, just listening to what my ears hear, so I can’t debate the academic side of it. I just know I’ve been stunned to hear different compositions that were penned by the late, great Jerry Goldsmith only after I’d come to appreciate his masterful TMP score, and I have a hard time hearing the same diversity from Horner. Giacchino’s ST09 score was mixed, from okay to very nice, but surely not in the Goldsmith TMP league. That score is deservedly heralded fairly consistently as one of the greatest pieces of movie music ever.

85. Sunfell - April 4, 2013

Whoa! “Duel of the Fates”- level chorusing there! Love it! I hope this’ll show up on the CD.

Wonder what ‘alien language’ they were using? I’m willing to bet Klingon. The idea of a Klingon choir is tantalyzing. (Or a Vulcan one…)

86. Frederick - April 4, 2013

Wish it had featured a bit of new music instead of what we are familiar with already… but it still sounds good. I am stoked for this movie!

87. Caesar - April 4, 2013

#84: Yep, and when you start listening to classical, you realize that he stole (not “emulated,” but outright stole, note-for-note) entire passages from Prokofiev, from Khachaturian, and others. Aliens, Wrath of Khan, Glory, Willow–all basic thematic thefts from Classical stuff.

That doesn’t mean you can’t still appreciate a bit of his stuff–his Krull score is mostly good, for example–but you really have to knock down your “impressed” level at him. He’s a thief who sometimes presents other people’s stuff prettily.

88. rm10019 - April 4, 2013

Can’t wait for the score!! Any easter egg of any other classic Trek theme will make me smile.

89. Disinvited - April 4, 2013

#84. SoonerDave – April 4, 2013

Horner is extremely talented but, as you learned in listening to BATTLE BEYOND THE STARS which predated ST:TWoK, he doesn’t hesitate to resort to “Xeroxing” to meet deadlines – especially early in his career.

90. Disinvited - April 4, 2013

#87. Caesar – April 4, 2013

Owing to the nature of copyright, if it is in the public domain, I don’t think it can be labelled “theft” but it definitely is slimy and lazy to use it without acknowledgement, regardless, and rather sad given that the man has the talent and ability to create music without recourse to it.

91. CueqzappeR - April 4, 2013

I will be attending the Live Event in Lucerne

Giacchino will attend the first two sessions in person

Already super excited for it :)

92. Rogue_alice - April 4, 2013

No new music to tease us with????????

93. Red Dead Ryan - April 4, 2013

#84.

Yeah, good point. James Horner did borrow some of his own music from “The Search For Spock” for a scene in “Aliens”.

Hans Zimmer does great music. He and James Newton-Howard worked together for both “Batman Begins” and “The Dark Knight”. Zimmer went solo for “The Dark Knight Rises”. The complete scores for these movies can be found online. Also, the “The Lion King” score is just wonderful stuff as well.

94. Caesar - April 4, 2013

Well I meant “theft” in the common sense rather than the legal one. Perhaps “plagiarism” is better–presenting someone else’s work as his own.

95. Dennis C - April 4, 2013

Do Vulcan’s sing?

96. Dennis C - April 4, 2013

Horner repeats some of the same elements in almost all of his scores. Khan’s theme, when Chekov stumbles upon him TWOK, is sampled in ALIENS, AVATAR and a bunch of other films.

Horner’s best score, by far, is Braveheart which stands completely alone from his other scores. It’s emotionally stirring and hits the right beats in every scene. When Wallace shouts “They may take our land but they can’t take our freedom!” his score just nails that moment perfectly.

And I actually prefer his score for TSFS over Star Trek II. It’s heroic, it’s somber and the music sets the perfect tone when Kirk mindmeld’s with Sarek and when McCoy talks to Spock and the Bird of Prey returns to Vulcan.

97. Mel - April 4, 2013

It sounds great!

And the lovely Enterprise picture is originally from here:

http://www.thelightworks.com/

There are many nice Star Trek wallpapers on the site.

98. Son of Jello - April 4, 2013

95 they can sing row row row your boat.

99. Son of Jello - April 4, 2013

94 Ceaser. If you are interested here is a doco that talks about copywright ownership of music. Its 20 minuts long http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SaFTm2bcac

100. Fubamushu - April 4, 2013

@84 BINGO!

I have a similar experience with James Horner and his music. I was in high school and we had just gotten cable TV. I was flipping through channels and came across a movie called, “Wolfen,” about a NY detective chasing werewolves in NYC starring Albert Finney. Terrible movie, but there was something oddly familiar about it. Then the big chase scene came—queue the battle music fromTWOK! Nearly note for note identical to my unprofessional, untrained ears. And James Horner was the composer for that movie’s score.

I do have a friend who is a musician and music teacher as well as a sci-fii geek and he loathes James Horner for this very same reason. Nearly everything James Horner does is recycled from his previous work. It goes beyond stylistic similarities. Even my wife notices it with his music. I was listening to the, “Titanic,” soundtrack and my wife asked me if I was listening to Star Trek or Avatar because to her the music sounds the same and she cannot tell the difference.

101. Fubamushu - April 4, 2013

@87 Film Score Monthly had special edition podcast highlighting the music of Star Trek. If I recall correctly, after taking James Horner to task for borwing themse from other composers and recycling his own music across different film scores, I believe they noted that James Horner has said on the record that he did use some of the same musical cues in TWOK or TSFS and Aliens because he was composing both films at the same time and needed to get the scores done and out the door. (Though this does not explain the similarities across his other works.)

However, the authors of the podcast went on to point out that James Horner was not the only Star Trek composer to, “be influenced,” by the works of others or their own work. Cue a piece of music that sounds like an odd arrangement of Jerry Goldsmith’s classic Klingon theme from TMP. Turns out what they were playing as a piece from a 19th Century German opera! The similarities go beyond a mere influence and Goldsmith could easily be accused of copying. The authors of the podcast then go on to say how Gldsmith’s other Star Trek pieces are less and less inspired original works and more and more uninspired recycling of his earlier works.

102. Disinvited - April 4, 2013

#101. Fubamushu – April 4, 2013

There’s a difference between riffing on a musical theme or cue and copying a piece note for note for bars.

As for Goldsmith, as Trek went on, he got older and more infirm so it’s understandable that he may have had to rely on his crutches more than usual. Horner’s been doing this as a young professional since getting out the gate; largely I surmise because overbooking paid the rent. Now, his only excuse seems to be that bad habits die hard.

103. K-7 - April 4, 2013

@101 “Film Score Monthly”

Ah, the movie music analogy to Nacelles Monthly.

Like who really reads this?

:-))

104. Captain, USS Northstar - April 4, 2013

I enjoyed the music from ST ’09 and I particularly added the touch with the choir (being a choir director myself).

That said — I was hoping for a touch or two of the new score. Like everything else, even the soundtrack seems to be “wrapped in darkness and silence” (Bones McCoy).

105. Dr. Image - April 4, 2013

I’m just perplexed at MG’s choice of the main theme. As a secondary theme, perhaps. But again hearing it over and over again gets, well, annoying.
I mean, I love his work, but why THAT theme?? It’s awkward and downbeat.
Studio intervention? Wouldn’t be the first time…

106. MJ - April 5, 2013

@104. Huh? That main theme is stupendous!

107. Red Dead Ryan - April 5, 2013

#104.

The main title is great. One of the highlights of the soundtrack. You have no idea what you’re talking about.

108. GO - April 5, 2013

#106 – so who appointed you musical expert?!

I tend to agree with #104. MG’s Trek soundtrack makes me cringe time and time again. IMHO (yeah, you might want to try expressing your opinions rather than claiming others have no idea what they’re talking about), it’s funky (in a bad way) and, how shall I put it… “mischievous sounding” (in an even worse way).

The soundtrack is nowhere near the ethereal beauty of the First Contact and DS9 soundtracks, to mention a couple that got it right.

Didn’t like it one bit back in 2009. Not liking it now, either.

109. Dennis C - April 5, 2013

Film Score Monthly consists of writers who are a joke wrapped in frustration, with analysis that’s often petty and ridiculous.

Goldsmith’s “Planet of the Apes” score still kicks ass.

And, yeah, the ST09 score still doesn’t work for me. The main title theme still seems to be better suited for a gladiator movie than a space opera. Once MG is off of Star Trek expect something new.

110. Caesar - April 5, 2013

#105 – Agreed. A minor-key theme with ominous overtones is hardly appropriate for this. It’s one of the reasons I disliked Eidelman’s (or should I say Holst’s) Trek VI score. Just too brooding.

#99 – Thanks, but I’m not at all interested in the legalese/copyright stuff. I’m talking about creativity and laziness, of which Horner has little and much, respectively.

111. GO - April 5, 2013

Good grief, the commenting system is playing musical chairs…

My earlier comment (#108) was originally aimed at Red Dead Ryan’s comment (#107, formerly numbered #106), and I expressed agreement with Dr. Image from #105 (formerly numbered #104…).

Again – not loving Giacchino’s whiny Trek theme.

112. Elias Javalis - April 5, 2013

The piece feels more dynamic and determined than the last one. Louder Chorus is good at least for me. Some people are annoyed. I suspect the rest of the music for STID must be more earth – bound..

113. K-7 - April 5, 2013

@109 “Film Score Monthly consists of writers who are a joke wrapped in frustration, with analysis that’s often petty and ridiculous.”

Sounds like Film Score Monthly is about as relevant as Nacelles Monthly, and probably has about the same level of readership. LOL

114. Dennis C - April 5, 2013

@113 LOL. The difference is I would actually read Nacelles Monthly!

115. Drij - April 5, 2013

yawn, the music sucks again. Get a real composer for the 3rd film.

116. Bk - April 5, 2013

Wow lots of fanboys on the loose in here. Makes me even more worried this film will disappoint (except of course for the fanboys). So be it, we’ll see in about a month.

117. K-7 - April 5, 2013

@115. How about you maybe show up with a real set of nads next time, troll.

118. GO - April 5, 2013

#115: fear not the fan boys.

There are things to be liked about new Trek – like the cast (and specifically Pine, Urban and Greenwood!), the new Enterprise (BIG nacelles!), and top-notch special effects, and things to be despised – silly Star Wars wannabe plot, LENS FLARES and, yes, this sorry excuse for a Star Trek theme.

119. Red Dead Ryan - April 6, 2013

#115.

Hey, “Beethoven”, why don’t you put up a sample of your music so we can judge it?

Oh, yeah, I just realized that it would suck! LOL!

120. Disinvited - April 6, 2013

Giacchino can reach me. He just didn’t in 2009 Trek. It wasn’t bad. I didn’t hate it. It just seemed to follow that old BB gun directive that Trek music should “get out of the way” so I didn’t make much of it. I can’t recall one cue from it that stuck in my brain. Nothing hummable.

Now in LAND OF THE LOST, I found Giacchino to have done a number of interesting things musically that saved that film for me when combined with other elements – and I generally don’t enjoy Will Ferrell low brow comedies.

121. Stiftl - April 6, 2013

@CueqzappeR: Are you sure Giacchino will be present on Friday and Saturday in Luzern? I read that he would only be there at the first event.

Thanks to trekmovie.com I became aware of the Luzern concerts, will be there with my wife on Saturday

122. GO - April 6, 2013

#119 good to see you keeping it “classy”, as always, RDR (pun intended).

And of course my music would suck. I’m no composer, after all, and never claimed to be. Doesn’t make Giaacchino’s any more palatable, again – in my opinion (or, to my taste, since we’re dealing with music here).

And since we ARE dealing with music and taste here, I’d still recommend that you be less quick to jump all over someone, claiming that he/she doesn’t know what he/she is talking about.

Nobody appointed you judge here.

123. Red Dead Ryan - April 6, 2013

#122.

“Nobody appointed you judge here.”

Nobody appointed you a “know-it-all” music expert, either, but you automatically dismiss the last movie’s score as being “mischievious sounding” (whatever the hell that means?) while forgetting that its gotten generally highly positive reviews (maybe not his best work, but certainly highly enjoyable with some beautiful pieces) with the limited extended edition being sold out in only a few days.

124. Cody - April 6, 2013

Hope you guys read the tweet, it appears all 4 clips are from the end of the movie. Not through out.

125. GO - April 7, 2013

#123: never claimed to be a “know-it-all”, and am merely expressing my opinion.

You could, too, instead of pretentiously claiming others “don’t know what they’re talking about”.

126. K-7 - April 7, 2013

@118 “and, yes, this sorry excuse for a Star Trek theme.”

Not to be confused with your sorry-ass attempt at an intelligent post here.

:-)

127. Disinvited - April 7, 2013

#124. Cody – April 6, 2013

Of course, you know, “end credit” music generally features a pastiche of music and musical themes from throughout a picture?

128. Red Dead Ryan - April 7, 2013

#125.

“Again – not loving Giacchino’s whiny Trek theme.”

Look familiar? You weren’t merely posting an opinion, you were slamming the music from the last movie. Just like you did with the your other statements that I pointed out!

Now, live up to your name and “GO” away! :-)

129. GO - April 7, 2013

#128: judge, musical expert AND traffic director all in one? Amazing!

Good grief, you guys (aimed at you too, #126…) do get protective when someone dares voice an opinion other than yours.

And Red Dead Ryan… I’m not slamming anything. You’re the one who started out biting someone’s head off for “not knowing what they’re talking about”. A bit of humility in the way you express your opinions (yes, OPINIONS) could go a long way to encouraging more civilized dialog on this site.

Oh, and I’ll GO when I pretty damn well please… perhaps when you’ve lived up to YOUR name and turned “Red” and “Dead”. :-)

130. Anthony Pascale - April 7, 2013

everyone stop with the personal attacks and silly sniping

131. Ro Laren - April 8, 2013

Brought tears to my eyes! I liked the 3rd clip the best!

132. Teiresias' Shades - April 10, 2013

130 This is a Star Trek website. If people stopped posting personal attacks and silly sniping you wouldn’t have a comments section.

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