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Exclusive: Roberto Orci & Alex Kurtzman Reveal How Fans Influenced Into Darkness + Talk Next Movie & more May 4, 2013

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Interview,ST: Into Darkness Sequel,Star Trek Into Darkness , trackback

Star Trek Into Darkness co-writers spoke exclusively with TrekMovie.com at the London premiere. The pair talked about secrecy, revealed how TrekMovie.com fan community, and gave an update on Paramount’s plans for the next Star Trek movie. All that and more in the video interview below.  (minor spoilers discussed).
 

 

Exclusive: Orci & Kurtzman Talk How Fans Influenced Into Darkness & More

TrekMovie.com spoke with Star Trek Into Darkness co-writers Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci at the white carpet premiere in London. We talked about secrecy, how fans influenced the movie, the next Trek and more.

Here are some highlights:

Kurtzman on desire for secrecy

It is so rare nowadays to walk into a movie and be genuinely surprised by what was happening. When we were kids you would wait four hours online with no idea of what was coming and there was such joy to that and it feels that that experience is gone for filmgoers these days and we wanted to preserve that.

Orci on how fan reaction (at TrekMovie.com and elsewhere) to Star Trek 2009 effected the story for Star Trek Into Darkness:

In the first movie a lot of fans said ‘Oh my gosh, Kirk became captain so fast!’ And he went from cadet to captain and even though he save the world too fast.’ And so in [Into Darkness] we take that criticism very much into heart. Literally Christopher Pike tells Kirk ‘some people think you got here too fast and maybe you weren’t ready for the chair.’ And it is actually part of the story of the movie and that was a result of fan input.

On Paramount’s plans for the next Star Trek movie.

They are firm about having a movie out by the 50th anniversary [in 2016] and we are all trying to see if we can all make it work together.

On favorite scenes translated from their script to the actual movie, Alex said his was with the Klingons, Bob said his favorite was with the Enterprise rising out of the water, noting:

I like the Enterprise rising out of the ocean…that was an idea that Alex pitched and the minute he pitched it I was like ‘It is going to piss off some fans but I love it, it is going to be great!’

 

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Comments

1. Trekman_dave - May 5, 2013

Let’s hope we get a film for 50 years

2. The Original Spock's Brain - May 5, 2013

Bob and Alex are true fans. THANKS!

3. Elias Javalis - May 5, 2013

I would call the third film…Star Trek : Generations. He he, fitting title, dont you think?

4. Harry Ballz - May 5, 2013

BOB ORCI

We know you’re busy promoting the new movie, but when you get a chance to answer

Other than feedback about Kirk getting the “big chair” too quickly, did the fans here at Trekmovie “inform” your writing process in any other way regarding the script?

5. DJT - May 5, 2013

Bob Orci !!!!! Donde estas?

6. El Chup - May 5, 2013

When one considers the plot line of the new movie (which I won’t reveal here), the notion that they released very little information in order to preserve surprises seems somewhat ironic.

7. boborci - May 5, 2013

DJT. AQUI!

8. CsMisi - May 5, 2013

Man … I can’t wait for the movie. Also I hope the 50th anniversary of Star Trek will pay homage in a big way for the series that came before.

Bob Orci: any chance for a TV series from you guys?

9. Elias Javalis - May 5, 2013

The more homages and references the better. It makes the life of an old fan – like my self worth living!

10. Star Trek: Nemesis blows, is the point - May 5, 2013

Once the dust settles from the Into Darkness release, I hope there’s some movement on a new TV show – cartoon or live action.

11. mrspock - May 5, 2013

I want to see Captain Archer and T`Pol again. I wish a sequel to “Star Trek Enterprise”…

12. Star Trek: Nemesis blows, is the point - May 5, 2013

I want Season 5. But, I wouldn’t mind a series that bridges Enterprise to TOS. I also wouldn’t mind watching a TV show based on ST09 and Into Darkness.

The two shows I’ve always wanted to watch was one based on the Enterprise-B, since we know so little about it, or Excelsior, because I still think that would have been a better choice than Voyager. Of course, it made sense progressing into the future after the end of TNG instead of going a generation back.

13. J - May 5, 2013

We know equally little about Enterprise-C. Still lots of periods in Star Trek history to be filled in!

14. Elias Javalis - May 5, 2013

Seriously, I d love a Romulan tale..A klingon/Romulan tale even better if its ok with the rest of you fans.

15. rtrj - May 5, 2013

11. mrspock – May 5, 2013

I want to see Captain Archer and T`Pol again. I wish a sequel to “Star Trek Enterprise”…

I agree. It got canceled just when the stories were getting great!

16. J - May 5, 2013

Also, the stories originally planned for ENT S5 sounded great.

17. Steve Johnson - May 5, 2013

Enterprise died. Let it stay dead. New territory.

I say let’s have our cake and eat it too. Take a Star Trek TV show a few centuries after the ‘Hobus Star’ incident from Trek 2009/Countdown. By this time things have radically changed. Romulans are gone, Federation has become closed off and militant, and a few idealists are finally making moves to bring back the light and hope that used to fill the Federation. As a result you could have a completely new look and feel for say, the 26th or 27th Century. The capacity to tell new stories that are relevant to the here and now, and avoid being shackled with continuity, AND avoid stepping on the JJ universe toes by having to conform to anything they would be doing.

There is nothing you will get out of an Excelsior TV show, or Enterprise Season 5, or the unsung Enterprises that made one off appearances. There is a reason Gene did what he did with Next Gen, setting it so many decades after TOS and TMP. It was to free himself from any major continuity issues and tell all new stories in a very fresh looking environment. Let’s do that. Not retread stale waters.

18. Calastir - May 5, 2013

Bob, Alex, stop the pretence and just flat out ignore us completely.
You boys have been doing a great job on THAT since 2009…

19. JIM - May 5, 2013

Yeah! Bob is still here! You are one of us man!

20. Vger23 - May 5, 2013

18-

They don’t ignore “us.” They just ignore crappy boring fanwank ideas that wouldn’t work in a major motion picture.

Yup.

21. Corinthian7 - May 5, 2013

Great interview, their passion for the show really shines through. Quick question for Bob if you happen to be reading: hypothetically of course, how differently would you approach writing for a Star Trek TV series as opposed to the movies?

22. Mike C. - May 5, 2013

I’m worried about this cast now going past the third move if a) JJ does not direct, and b) it sucks.

Whomever they get to ‘sit in the chair’ needs to be on the same level as Star Wars getting JJ.

No, I will not put my two cents in as to whom. :) I hope/trust the powers that be will handle it.

23. Slornie - May 5, 2013

@17. What if they set a new TV series on one of the unsung Enterprises in the JJverse? That neatly sidesteps the continuity issues since there’s only a couple of films plus comics to think about (even if they continue post JJ3).

As I’ve said previously on these boards:

You know what, i think there may be opportunity for Star Trek to return after JJ’s trilogy is finished (assuming it gets that far, maybe 2018?). Enterprise is still valid canon in this new alternate universe (based on the happened-before-Nero-incursion theory), but anything future-wise is new.

Assuming the alternate universe matches the general flow of the original, why not take the USS Enterprise C (or -B if -A never happened in this timeline) under Captain Rachel Garret? After recently watching Voyager, i feel another leading female captain would be a nice change and show off the egalitarian nature of the Federation. It also avoids the sensitivity of “remaking” another cherished crew (e.g TNG).

Set some 60 years after TOS (prime and alternate) and 40 before TNG (prime) it would make for an interesting foray into the “new” Federation. How things have evolved with the loss of Vulcan (maybe peace with the Romulans instead of the Klingons?), maybe the Borg arrived early?

24. Exverlobter - May 5, 2013

@22

“I’m worried about this cast now going past the third move if a) JJ does not direct, and b) it sucks.”

Iron Man 3 was fine, without the original director

25. chrisfawkes.com - May 5, 2013

I would love it if we saw this crew do five or more Star Trek film but if we get a new movie every four years they will all be twenty years older by the next installment.

Is there not some way to have a team work on some story outlines for potential use even now to speed up the process.

I would love to see three years max between films and sometimes two.

26. Curious Cadet - May 5, 2013

@ Orci,
“In the first movie a lot of fans said … he went from cadet to captain and even though he saves the world it was too fast.’ And so in [Into Darkness] we take that criticism very much into heart.”

Really? This never occurred to the filmmakers until the fans complained? If the fans had not criticized this aspect of the film so vocally, would it have really never been addressed?

While I appreciate the nod to the fans with this comment, the idea this was not discussed in the writers room before it was committed to film with an eye toward a sequel is a little disturbing.

27. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - May 5, 2013

Hey Bob Orci. Have you and Alex started to pitch ideas to each other about the next Trek Movie and it’s 0th anniversary.

28. Exverlobter - May 5, 2013

@26 Curious Cadet.

Exactly. What they should have done is something like a story arc for Kirk to the rise of the top. Just like Anakin Skywalker is Darth Vader at the end of Episode 3, Kirk becomes finally Captain at the end of the trilogy. (Christ, i cannot believe that for once i used the Star Wars Prequels as a good example.)
Until then he is the subordinate to Pike but gets all the action. Just like in TNG.
BTW, if you look closely on the previous movie, you’ll see that Chekov, SUlu Spock and Scotty do all the dirty work for Kirk, while he fails all the time, but nevertheless gets all the credit in the end.

29. Uncle Protein - May 5, 2013

“I like the Enterprise rising out of the ocean…I was like ‘It is going to piss off some fans…..’”

You’re not wrong there….

30. Phil - May 5, 2013

@26. Orci’s comment about Enterprise rising from the water is a clue. Sounds great, let’s do it. Cadet to Captain was probably a similarly pitched idea. For me, at least, that’s an indicator that they don’t spend a lot of time thinking through the continuity and plausibility of a situation within the story. That may not be a bad thing, but we will need to see the movie to determine that.

RE: Cadet to Captain: Potential work arounds that were discussed here included having the time between the two movies kept deliberately indeterminate, maybe with a throw away line from Kirk griping about how long Officers Command School was or something, to indicate he actually had some training. Easy way to address the question without having to build a story around Kirk learning to be Captain as on the job training, which is also very implausible, by the way….

31. Phil - May 5, 2013

@28. Yeah, that’s been picked up on, that this Kirk got where he is by being at the right place at the right time. If Nero had not happened along when he did this Kirk is expelled from the Academy and back in Iowa picking corn and sleeping off benders in the county lock up. You actually don’t have to look that hard to figure it out. It’s also a testament to the filmmakers that they were able to gloss over that deficiency…

32. chrisfawkes.com - May 5, 2013

The journey of Anakin Skywalker in Star Wars sucked.

He just looked like a self centered dick. Compare that to the Harry Potter Journey. When you saw the Potter character struggle with his dark side it had a lot of depth.

Hmmm, J.K Rowling isn’t a trekkie by any chance. Perhaps she could pitch in for the next Installment.

33. Barney Fife - May 5, 2013

Bob –
You’ll never hear the end of the TV series questions!!!! Most fans love the occasional big-budget theatrical movie but we all know the concept is really at home on TV (Netflix, HBO, AMC … maybe CBS??).

34. Sunfell - May 5, 2013

So glad that fan input was acknowledged here. Sometimes the fans can get quarrelsome and somewhat overheated, but the interaction – with Bob Orci, especially- is deeply appreciated.

Hey, Bob, if you’re reading this, Zachary Quinto put in a request for two things in the 3rd movie: a goatee and Pon Farr. And Chris Pine wants to go ‘rogue’. Make it so!

And my request: if possible, I want a scene with Spock playing a Vulcan banjo or something.

35. Dennis C - May 5, 2013

Mr. Orci!

Third movie: Klingons! Lots of Klingons! People love to slam Star Trek III ( which I personally feel was one of the best) but that movie, thanks to Christopher Lloyd’s performance and Leonard Nimoy’s direction, defined Klingons for every iteration of Star Trek that followed and Made them very cool.

Klingons, man. Klingons.

36. Exverlobter - May 5, 2013

@31
@26

It’s especially upsetting because they actually DO say in the film, that it needs AT LEAST 4 years after graduation to become Captain.
And even that is insanely fast, so i guess that saving the world got him some credit points, to join the team of those rare chosen few promising aspirants, who are from early on considered to become captain after 4 years.
But Captain even before becoming an officer? Even though the movie tells us that it is not possible, because it needs at least 4 years?
DId somebody checked the script before that? That those 2 dfferent plot-points create an continuity error (in the same movie, guys!)

37. Mr Mike - May 5, 2013

The problem with a TV series is that CBS, though happy to make money from past Trek, has no interest (like Paramount does with the movies) in making more. Plus, without syndication, and the way Star Trek failed on UPN, most networks would shy away from it. I guess The CW would be an option but CBS doesn’t seem to really like Star Trek at all. It’s too bad.

38. Capt. of the USS Anduril - May 5, 2013

I am so damn sick of hearing people griping about Kirk going “from cadet to Captain too fast”. Good job paying attention to anything else in Trek or even in the movie. Cadet is a STATUS. It merely means that you haven’t graduated from Starfleet Academy. Saavik was a cadet but also held the rank of Lieutenant. In the 2009 film, Uhura was a Lieutenant. You can’t tell me that Kirk could be at the Academy for the same amount of time as her and NOT be at least the same rank. He was then granted what is referred to as a “battlefield commission” when Pike made him First Officer. So at most, Kirk skipped 2 ranks. At MOST.

39. Exverlobter - May 5, 2013

@ 35.
@Boborci

I got already a Klingon Burnout from DS9!
Please i want Gary Mitchell for the third film.

Although a second human villain?
Ok, forget it, i don’t think it will happen.
Damn, i would have preferred Gary Mitchell for Into Darkness!

Wait, now i know!
The Gorn!!
Like in that game, that was released a few days ago. Well the game might have been disappointing for most, but the idea of that CGI Gorns might be indeed very promising.
Bob Orci, what about the Gorn in Star Trek 13?.

40. Trek in a Cafe - May 5, 2013

I think weve said it before– that the best way for there to be any new TV Trek will be for it to be like Game if Thrones: well-plotted and with serious stakes.

And it could also take something from The Wire, in that each season could have a different, deliberate focus

This would also free the producers to use any (and maybe many or all) timelines or universes. And the “era” wouldn’t matter so much because the show would then focus on human (in the expanded sense) problems… Not ticking time bomb plots….that Tick so quickly… It would also give a chance for the novelistic development of Starfleet’s ethical dilemmas.

41. somethoughts - May 5, 2013

Trelane and Talosians for part 3

Grand Adventure Allegory Sci Fi with surprise ending like sixth sense and shutter island, coupled with t2 ground breaking visuals.

Directed by Sam Raimi or Nolan.

42. Trek in a Cafe - May 5, 2013

Personally, I’d also like to see Trek in a Mad Men style, with science fictional ideas but still have the Rodenberry. What is it really like to live amongst a whole crew of such super intelligent and responsible humans?? What are their flaws? What happens when the Federation misses a pitch? Also, how DoFederation planets compete against one another? Do countries on one planet make deals with counties on other planets against the wishes of their planet? How does all that stuff work?

Yes… And exploring!!

43. Curious Cadet - May 5, 2013

@31. Phil,
“If Nero had not happened along when he did this Kirk is expelled from the Academy and back in Iowa picking corn and sleeping off benders in the county lock up.”

That doesn’t seem likely. Considering Pike’s interest in Kirk, redoubled in the latest movie, most likely Pike would have lobied “Tyler Perry’s Admiral Richard Barnett” and taken him under his wing to put him aboard the Enterprise anyway, forcing him down Spock’s throat. And who knows over time Spock would have learned to respect Kirk and the same relationship they ultimately had in the Prime Universe would have developed (say a bonding over the destined death of Pike). It would have been far more realistic and accomplished the same thing.

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45. MIrror Universe John Harrison - May 5, 2013

Personally, for the third movie they need to get away from terrorist themes and having things explode above San Francisco. My suggestion? A concept that will open up the entire franchise to anything. A return to Talos IV. The Talosians with their power of mind control can make the characters believe they are anywhere. A perfect set up for the 50th anniversary. Going back to where it all started, with the ability to show anything from any time from any location to any characters.

46. Mirror Universe John Harrison - May 5, 2013

Personally, for the third movie they need to get away from terrorist themes and having things explode above San Francisco. My suggestion? A concept that will open up the entire franchise to anything. A return to Talos IV. The Talosians with their power of mind control can make the characters believe they are anywhere. A perfect set up for the 50th anniversary. Going back to where it all started, with the ability to show anything from any time from any location to any characters…from any universe…..

47. Curious Cadet - May 5, 2013

@38. Capt. of the USS Anduril,
“I am so damn sick of hearing people griping about Kirk going “from cadet to Captain too fast”. Good job paying attention to anything else in Trek or even in the movie. ”

Hyperbole much?

Have you read ANY other posts by ANYBODY else on this website?

Let’s see, Bob Orci himself brought this up, and is the centerpiece of this article as an example for how they listened to the fans. Somehow, discussing it further seems quite appropriate, and given the considerable debates elsewhere over the brewery as engineering set, lack of focus on McCoy, Carol Marcus being objectified in her underwear, the Enterprise underwater, Uhura only being portrayed as Spock’s girlfriend, et al, I’d say yeah, the fans are paying attention to considerably more than the hard to swallow promotion of Kirk.

48. John from Cincinnati - May 5, 2013

Personally, for the third movie they need to get away from terrorist themes and having things explode above San Francisco. My suggestion? A concept that will open up the entire franchise to anything. A return to Talos IV. The Talosians with their power of mind control can make the characters believe they are anywhere. A perfect set up for the 50th anniversary. Going back to where it all started, with the ability to show anything from any time from any location to any characters….from any universe….the Talosians can be trans-dimensional creatures aware of alternate universes like Guinan was

49. somethoughts - May 5, 2013

If my employee saved my company and lives of others dam right I promote him!

50. John from Cincinnati - May 5, 2013

Personally, for the third movie they need to get away from terrorist themes and having things explode above San Francisco. My suggestion? A concept that will open up the entire franchise to anything. A return to Talos IV. The Talosians with their power of mind control can make the characters believe they are anywhere. A perfect set up for the 50th anniversary. Going back to where it all started, with the ability to show anything from any time from any location to any characters….from any universe..the Talosians can be trans-dimensional creatures aware of alternate universes like Guinan.

The third movie can end revealing the JJ verse was one big illusion the Talosians imprinted upon Prime Spock. Prime Spock will have been living a vast illusion all the time while on Talos IV. Even Shatner can be brought back with this concept.

51. John from CIncinnati - May 5, 2013

Personally, for the third movie they need to get away from terrorist themes and having things explode above San Francisco. My suggestion? A concept that will open up the entire franchise to anything. A return to Talos IV. The Talosians with their power of mind control can make the characters believe they are anywhere. A perfect set up for the 50th anniversary. Going back to where it all started, with the ability to show anything from any time from any location to any characters….from any universe..the Talosians can be trans-dimensional creatures aware of alternate universes like Guinan.

The third movie can end revealing the JJ verse was one big illusion the Talosians imprinted upon Prime Spock. Prime Spock will have been living a vast illusion all the time while on Talos IV. Even Shatner can be brought back with this concept. Perfect for the 50th Anniversary!

52. John from CIncinnati - May 5, 2013

cancel the trans-dimensional creature idea. I prefer the vast grand illusion idea.

53. Curious Cadet - May 5, 2013

@45. MIrror Universe John Harrison,
“A return to Talos IV. The Talosians with their power of mind control can make the characters believe they are anywhere. A perfect set up for the 50th anniversary. Going back to where it all started, with the ability to show anything from any time from any location to any characters.”

While I don’t see this ever happening, it is a cool concept.

Imagine Prime Spock is dying,suffering from the same thing that disease that killed his father, and Alt Spock agrees to take Prime Spock to Talos, both to warn Starfleet about them in advance, as well as to live out his final days.

This allows Prime Spock to interact with Prime Kirk one last time, as well as other Prime crew. But the Talosians end up trapping Pine in much the same way they captured Pike. But because the Talosians have Prime Spock’s future memories, they change their plans and decide to enslave the entire crew of the Enterprise, each being deceived by fantasies of their own design — if for no other reason than to protect themselves from the threat of this increasingly militant Starfleet.

Talk about esoteric. But it would be a pretty cool exploration of the Talosians and how the crew might actually overcome such a powerful foe.

But not gonna happen with this franchise.

54. Chris Doohan - May 5, 2013

Bob Orci

Nos vemos pronto!

55. Trek in a Cafe - May 5, 2013

I think the promotion of Kirk could be analogous to the rise of someone like Mark ZUckerberg… He’s not really a genius, but he knows how to stack the deck and that takes considerable human acumen. The future of Starfleet might actually depend on recognizing and promoting that kind of talent.

56. Brian K - May 5, 2013

” They are firm about having a movie out by the 50th anniversary [in 2016] and we are all trying to see if we can all make it work together. ”

Sorry guys, there is no “try”, just get it done. Unlike the long four years between movies this time, drop everything else and get it done! All of your side projects delayed the production of Into Darkness by at least a year, and if I’m not mistaken most of them were flops….. Star Trek, and a milestone like a 60th anniversary, are bigger than anything else you could do.

57. Thorny - May 5, 2013

A little tweaking could have reduced the complaints about Kirk’s rapid promotion in Trek 2009. For starters, instead of a Starfleet Academy cadet, Kirk should have been a Lieutenant attending Command School (just like Saavik was in Star Trek II.) already several years into his career. They could still have done the Pike/Kirk scene in Iowa, just pick up again six or seven years later, instead of three. Uhura, Chekov and Sulu could have been the midshipmen that Kirk was shepherding in Command School (like Peter Preston in Star Trek II) and when all hell breaks loose on Vulcan, Kirk & Co. are called in by Pike to help man the brand-new Enterprise. This means that Kirk is not junior to Chekov and Sulu as he was in Trek 2009. The Pike->Spock->Kirk handover happens the same and the movie proceeds from that point on the same way. Even the “Is Kirk Ready For The Center Seat?” plot of STID remains the same, but it is a little easier to swallow if Kirk was already at least a line officer when he got command.

58. JohnRambo - May 5, 2013

please not a boring tv series again!
do great movies!

59. Curious Cadet - May 5, 2013

@52. John from CIncinnati,
“cancel the trans-dimensional creature idea. I prefer the vast grand illusion idea.”

The ‘grand illusion’ stuff is kind of a let down, much as an entire season of Dallas was erased when It was revealed it was all a dream. And not in a good way like Bob Newhart waking up with Suzanne Pleshette, having dreamed the entire series of Newhart.

But then, I have no burning desire to get back to the Prime universe. However, as far as ways to get there, this is pretty good. Nevertheless, there’s no moral to the story. What could such an experience do for Prime Spock? Nothing. As for what it could do for Alt Spock, well there’s something else.

I could see the Talos encounter happening with Alt Pike and Spock just as it did, either in 2254 as it originally did, or 5 years earlier. This time however, they take Spock to prevent his interference with rescuing Pike, and Number one saves them both. When Spock is released, he does not know if any of what he experienced is potentially real, or all just a fabricated illusion. To test it out, he goes to Iowa where he finds a much younger Kirk on his way to wasting his potential, and realizes the Talosians have shown him one possible future. He realizes that he now has the knowledge to not only prevent the destruction of Vulcan, but to turn Kirk around much earlier, and avoid the destruction of STID on the process.

Again, cool idea, but not gonna happen.

60. Trek in a Cafe - May 5, 2013

I think the promotion of Kirk could be analogous to the rise of someone like Mark ZUckerberg… He’s not really a genius, but he knows how to stack the deck and that takes considerable human acumen. The future of Starfleet might actually depend on recognizing and promoting that kind of talent.

61. Tom - May 5, 2013

50th anniversary. Shatner & Nimoy. Get that holographic pendant to Pine or Quinto. Come on Bob!!! Klingons + Kirk Prime & Spock Prime+ Benedict+ 50th anniversary.=amazeballs+skin melt!. Come on Bob!! take note.

62. smike - May 5, 2013

For the third one they NEED to let go of anything even remotely reminiscent of TWOK and all its rip-offs. We don’t need another charismatic bad guy, no super weapons and pseudo-Death Stars, we don’t need terrorism, all-out war with the Klingons or any other kind of superdestructive plot device…

Let JJ boldly blow up another galaxy and move on to some exploration! You need to take those familiar words literarily: EXPLORE STRANGE new worlds, seek out NEW lifeforms and NEW civilizations. Go boldly we no one had gone before…

Of course we need action, of course we need drama, but there is more to Trek than supervillains with superweapons on uberships unleashing havok on the galaxy. Natural disasters, moral dilemmas with all shades of grey, the very questions of existence, spirituality, divinity, any sort of deity far beyond the stars…the big bang, the origins of humanoid races, ancient alien cultures having had an influence on our history, classic Jules Verne type planets etc…

Isn’t it sad that Star Trek seems to be the only SciFi franchise that stays away from showing those longestating strange new worlds while other movies actually deliver: Avatar foremost, John Carter, but even those silly Jules Verne actioners captured a certain sense of wonder missing in modern-day Trek. Even stuff like Tron Legacy, Oblivion, Thor and those countless fairy tale and Greek mythology adaptations present us with strange new worlds… and all of this could be part of Trek…

Just look at TOS: they had Greek gods, ancient Romans, the white bunny on Shore Leave etc…Mount Olympus, Wonderland, Oz…the very essence of human mythology…all these fairy tales, myths and cultural heritage of humanity is and could again be part of Star Trek! So while other movies actually grasp the very essence of Star Trek we get yet another supervillain blowing up London, Frisco and the Klingon homeworld with yet another Death Star! I don’t get it! I simply don’t get it!

Boborci…assimilate THIS!

63. Exverlobter - May 5, 2013

@60

Meh, Kirk should blow up some Gorns!!! ;-)

64. sean - May 5, 2013

#55

“All of your side projects delayed the production of Into Darkness by at least a year, and if I’m not mistaken most of them were flops”

You are mistaken. Super 8 & Prometheus were box office hits.

That aside, these guys aren’t Berman & Braga. Star Trek isn’t their only job.

65. Charla - May 5, 2013

jIH ta’laHbe’ loS Daq legh vam!

tlho’ SoH [Bob] vaD taH Hoch [kinds] vo’ [cool] !!

66. Paul - May 5, 2013

“I like the Enterprise rising out of the ocean…that was an idea that Alex pitched and the minute he pitched it I was like ‘It is going to piss off some fans but I love it, it is going to be great!’”

Yes, it is pretty much obvious he pitched it after watching Space Battleship Yamato. In other words: Alex, you’re now officially forbidden to watch vintage anime until the next movie is done. Starfleet can’t afford to employ Macross fighters, let alone Voltron. :-P

67. Thorny - May 5, 2013

62. Super 8, Cowboy and Aliens, and Prometheus were all commercial disappointments, though. And only Super 8 was really considered a creative success. C&A got at best medicore reviews and Prometheus seemed to generate a more WTF? review than good or bad.

Personally, I loved Super 8, liked C&A, and despised Prometheus.

68. Trekbilly - May 5, 2013

Could not agree more on keeping the major plot points a secret — I’m glad they did and for the reasons they said. I don’t like knowing every detail of a film before I see it.

I’ve avoided all the reviews that are spoiling the movie.

69. pilotfred - May 5, 2013

yeah thanks for listening
i love the question,what the best bit of the new film,right so they spent so much time not saying anything to say yeah i like the moment when kirk dies(yeah made up, i don’t know if that happens)
third film,please and in 2016,please also the last film set in this timeline
TV program,yes please,and yeah i agree with the comments about game of thrones also i will mention dexter,a 10 to 13 episode run with a season arch and would be nice full service arch like they did with ds9 however this time paramount support them in the story arch

70. gingerly - May 5, 2013

@4

I’d like to answer that, if I may.

They listened to everything, Trekkie, ‘gingerly’ had to say, and that’s why they’ve been getting such rave reviews. ;)

71. Trekbilly - May 5, 2013

Having Shatner back for the 50th anniversary film is a MUST!!! He can play an older Kirk or a completely different character — but to not have him in the next one would be criminal!!

72. Red Dead Ryan - May 5, 2013

#64.

“Super 8″ made $250 million on a budget of $50 million. It was also critically acclaimed. It was a big success.

“Cowboys & Aliens” was a middling dud, while “Prometheus” underperformed at the domestic box office but did well overseas.

“Prometheus”, though, was excellent.

73. gingerly - May 5, 2013

@69

I’d say, the visuals and cast were excellent…
The story and plotting had a some problems.

74. somethoughts - May 5, 2013

Ill take full credit for listening to me, you are welcome!

75. PEB - May 5, 2013

@60 Go make your complaints to those who ruined Prime Trek. If they had decided to be visionaries with the new stories they had a chance of telling instead of rehashing stories, themes, music from past Trek shows then you wouldn’t even have JJ Trek. It baffles me when I see those posts and then the same people call for more Enterprise or more Prime Trek. That universe was run into the ground because the people who handled it were so comforatble and stopped taking risks and stopped being creative. Might hate me for saying it, but its why we’re at where we’re at. I for one love JJ’s films and I love going back and watching old Trek episodes and movies as well -it’s what I grew up on. But don’t blame this production crew for something that isn’t even their fault. There were SO many missed opportunities in Voyager and in Enterprise. I’m hoping the next television series learns from other sci-fi that’s out there. Pick up on Avatar, Prometheus, Fringe, and even some non sci-fi shows. Tells us stories that have a deeper meaning behind them and really delve into sci-fi (which doesnt mean there has to be A LOT of technobabble) but present it under the banner of Star Trek. Yes there can be excitement and thrills and yes there needs to be discovery and new…I’ll say it again NEW…races. Grab some GREAT writers and lets really get something great and fresh off the ground this time around. There, that’s my 2 cents.

76. ensign joe - May 5, 2013

@60 I like the cut of your jib but it ain’t gonna happen.. If you want a change, as I do, vote with your ticket by not buying one.. This Star Trek is nothing more than a product.

77. Trekbilly - May 5, 2013

Any new series should be action adventure with great characters and based more on the TOS formula than the TNG and after formula.

I’m not interested in technobabble or revisiting ground covered by the other series….

78. bardicjim - May 5, 2013

Let’s just Dub Andromeda and pretend that it is in the future. all they would have to do is change the ship designs on the outside and reshoot the Magog as Klingons. Save a bundle.

Joking!

79. Adolescent Nightmare - May 5, 2013

I’m getting too excited! I keep peeing my pants!

80. Allenburch - May 5, 2013

I am attempting to avoid spoilers but I had to watch this video.

“For those fans who might have been concerned that we were ignoring the difficulty, so was Scotty!”

hahahaha

81. Barney Fife - May 5, 2013

@72 PEB: Right on!!!!

82. Curious Cadet - May 5, 2013

@72 PEB,
“If they had decided to be visionaries with the new stories they had a chance of telling instead of rehashing stories, themes, music from past Trek shows then you wouldn’t even have JJ Trek”

Right, because Abrams in no way has done that.

83. Dr. Image - May 5, 2013

TV show featuring the adventures of the crew of the Kelvin… would be awesome.

84. MikeB - May 5, 2013

My two cents on the next movie – Space, the final frontier. They need to be out exploring and encounter the unknown in a real science fiction story. How about a little more of a “thinking persons” summer action film. Let the audience rise up to the film instead of simplifying it for the masses. I know the next one will most likely be “The Klingon War” which I’m sure will be cool, but I’d love something new and fresh.

85. crazydaystrom - May 5, 2013

Bob Orci-

I’ve asked before and I’m asking again – If Bad Robot can juggle so many projects simultaneously, movies and television, I cannot for the life of me see why a Star Trek tv show can’t be one of them. Star Trek is a HUGE concept and a HUGE franchise, perhaps even an unwieldy one, but I love what you guys are doing with it and want MORE. Bad Robot have the clout and cachet (it would seem) to get the ball rolling on a new Trek show if you chose to, so if that is not happening I’m at a loss to see why. Could it be legalities? That would be frustrating but at least somewhat understandable. I would just hate to think it’s fear of failure. Star Trek IS quite a responsibility but go boldly.

I don’t mean to be antagonistic or a ‘Richard’ with the ‘fear of failure’ thing but we see Star Wars and comic book characters like Batman, Superman and X-men in multiple platforms and media. Star Trek should be on television and the fact that it is not seems to defy logic. But I guess that’s ‘fan logic’ which is actually ‘Trekkie lust’. A show has to be in the works, with the 50th upcoming. In truth I’d much rather have a new show than a new movie in 2016. BOTH would be wonderful and appropriate, IMO. And from my point of view (from the outside looking in admittedly) doable.

Anyway, two weeks to go. Greatly anticipating the movie and the Treks to come. Hopefully there will be amazing things in 2016.

And good luck with Ender’s Game.

86. Keachick - May 5, 2013

People have been obsessing about Kirk’s fast promotion since May 2009.

It’s getting really tired, especially since certain objections appeared to have been addressed in STID.

Enough with the bitching.

87. Thorny - May 5, 2013

69… “Super 8″ made $127 million in the U.S. That’s weak for a summer tentpole movie. It was the 21st biggest movie of the year. That, I think, adds up to commercial disappointment. As I said, I loved it. But it was not a blockbuster by any means.

To each his own on “Prometheus”. I understand many enjoyed it. I thought it was a visually stunning but soulless movie. That’s the same way I felt about “Avatar”.

88. Thomas Vinelli - May 5, 2013

Nice ideas for the next film, however the bottom line is Studios want to make money , that’s number 1 on the list and they are going to do what it takes to make money. This whole country is built that way. Films these days are a flash in the pan , a money grab. Really not much thought is put into story , not really. Action still seems the name of the game. The Star trek we grew up on is gone forever and really all the movies except STTMP, WAS ACTION BASED. Also the writers claim some of the ideas in this film are based on what fans wanted…really??!!! So how come the villain in this film, is the one we didn’t want??? We did have a poll here and this Villain lost the poll.

89. Thomas Vinelli - May 5, 2013

@81 Mike b and many others are not getting it. No Star trek film really was a thinking mans movie except the first one. That one most people thought was boring and too long including the cast of Star trek 1. So why would you expect a thinking mans movie now. It not going to happen. TV yes, maybe.
But on the big screen ..never

90. Thomas Vinelli - May 5, 2013

@ 82 because nobody in the business is interested in doing Trek on TV.
What part of not interested don’t you understand. But for the heck of it you could pitch it and made it appear like it was their idea..then something could happen.
This is a business with massive ego’s that’s not really interested in what fans want, they do what they want and hope fans like it.

91. Paul - May 5, 2013

3rd movie could easily be some of the crew stumble on the guardian of forever for the 1st time so they are not aware of its capability until its too late…… this then takes them all on their own mini adventures to various points in earths past/future & the remaining crew on board the enterprise must race against time to complete some other inter linked mini mission researching how to get their friends back from the mists of time. Ending with a cliffhanger where some of the crew do not & or cannot it seems return to the present…….

92. Cygnus-X1 - May 5, 2013

Good interview. These guys are doing a great job with the roll out.

Though I must say that the Enterprise coming out of the water does not look good in the clips. It looks like very CGI and cartoony.

93. Curious Cadet - May 5, 2013

@85 Thomas Vinelli,
“We did have a poll here and this Villain lost the poll.”

You mean this poll?

Villain in Star Trek sequel?
Khan (6%)
Kor, Kang, other Klingon (29%)
Romulans (2%)
Tholians (5%)
Gorn (6%)
Borg (6%)
Other TOS villain/entity (5%)
Other TNG, VOY, DS9, ENT villain/entity (3%)
New villain individual/race/entity (10%)
New villain ‘concept’ (28%)
Total Votes: 2,790
Start Date: April 8, 2011

Or this poll?

Khan For Star Trek Sequel?
Yes (9%)
Only if done in new way (25%)
No (66%)
Total Votes: 510
Start Date: November 23, 2011

94. Commander Thy'lek Shran - May 5, 2013

I think that Bob and Alex should bring in Manny Coto aboard for the third film. I think that Coto did a great job with the 4th season of Enterprise and provide input that will please fans of prime trek and nutrek. I love the Augment arc (Borderland, Cold station 12, the Augments), the Vulcan Arc (the Forge, Awakinng, Kir’shara), the andorian-Tellarite Arc (Babel One, United, the Aenar). I can’t leave out In a mirror, darkly part 1&2.

95. HubcapDave - May 5, 2013

@84

That $127m against a $50m production budget. With foreign receipts, the worldwide total is just shy of $260m. And, yes, there are other costs and revenues involved with movies, but domestic box office against production budget is still a good indicator if a movie’s relative success. So, a movie grossing 2.5x its production budget domestically is a success.

96. HubcapDave - May 5, 2013

@87

Not to mention CGI-heavy sci-fi is a hard sell on TV nowadays. It costs a lot of money, and the audience isn’t there like it used to be.

97. Cinema Geekly - May 5, 2013

RE: Secrecy

“It is so rare nowadays to walk into a movie and be genuinely surprised by what was happening. When we were kids you would wait four hours online with no idea of what was coming and there was such joy to that and it feels that that experience is gone for filmgoers these days and we wanted to preserve that.”

While I agree, the internet makes such things impossible. Uneven release dates make it even more impossible.

It’s a nice idea and all and I dig the “back in my day” routine but it is growing more and more impossible to ignore spoilers, especially if you are passionate about something.

98. Finngodo - May 5, 2013

Director for third one if its not JJ? Brad Bird. He followed JJ on mission impossible and did a good, if not better job.

TV shows after Into Darkness? Doubt it. It would cheapen the new Trek Brand as an action franchise to do a live action show that would undoubtedly have to be lighter on action for budget reasons. That said, I could see them going with an animated show similar to Iron Man or Clone Wars- something that’s a different medium that lets them tell bigger stories on a smaller budget.

99. Steve Johnson - May 5, 2013

@93 It really comes down to what kind of CGI you’re talking about there. It’s also a matter of being smart about it, too.

For instance, I wouldn’t do a full 26 episode season like previous Trek shows. I’d do the more conservative 13 episode style of shows like Walking Dead or “Doctor Who.”

I’d make human drama, and the old concept of “bottle shows” prominent. Make the big events actually special within the show. Use several episodes to tell a consistent arc and use the combined budgets across several episodes to achieve grander things over all.

The old pitch by Jeremy Grunloh called “Star Trek Reborn” actually did this rather well, most of the story was location, not effects heavy. The effects were basically a light peppering here and there. The fixation was on the minds of the primary three characters. I think if something similar was done with Star Trek, treating it more like an occupational drama than heavy hardcore sci fi action would get around the need for excessive CGI.

100. flake - May 5, 2013

NEXT MOVIE:

Have the Enterprise discover a Dysonsphere or Ringworld or some other ancient alien construct inside an unexplored nebulae or gas cloud or supernova remnant (something cool looking!) and then they have to figure out who built it, where they went, why they left, did they really leave?!… maybe some strange things have been left behind that endanger the crew.. robots/alien creatures/insane beings/Q-Like beings/prisoners? Oh and to really screw things up maybe they find another ship in amongst this construct … a Klingon ship or maybe something else that got their first and are one step ahead.. maybe that Klingon ship is adrift? What happened to them? maybe the Enterprise accidentally triggers something that causes the construct to come to life and awaken something… just thinking out loud here :)

101. LD Kinnick - May 5, 2013

Wonder if Khan will be in the 3rd film also?

102. porthoses bitch - May 5, 2013

Only problem with a fiftieth anniv. Movie is the urge to do old home week. I mean I would love to see everyone and would love to see everyone get a paycheck, but it’s impossible to make work and have it not come off as contrived.

If you want to see tthe old stars ..go to a con. If you want to see old characters watch a fan film or read some fanfic (I suggest of Gods and Men.)…

103. Phil - May 5, 2013

For the folks who think the ‘cadet to Captain’ debate is a waste of time, you really need to have a word with your writers and production team about that. I was perfectly happy to ignore it moving forward, and now they have brought It up again. I would hope there is still investigative journalism in the 23rd century.

KGO – San Francisco. In tonight’s news, KGO reporters have learned of rampant favoritism in Starfleet Academy’s recruiting command. It is being reported that cadets were able to curry favor among recruiting office to circumnavigate admission standards, and in the case of one cadet, identified as James Kirk, was able to bypass admission procedure all together by persuading a flag officer to have him admitted directly. Starfleet’s legal counsel declined comment, only to say that an investigation was pending…

BBC London: It has been learned today that the Captain of USS Enterprise has been identified for gross incompetence in the recent battle with the covert ship USS Dreadnaught. Enterprises Captain, James Kirk, was recently identified in a favoritism scandal that rocked Starfleet, when it was learned that cadets were easily avoiding admission standards exams and being promoted ahead of trained officers for plum jobs within the fleet. Kirks lack of training and inexperience as Captain are being attributed to the deaths of 230 officers and enlisted crew, including the death of Admiral Pike, rumored to be the officer responsible for Kirks promotion. Families of the dead have filed notice that they intend to pursue legal action, as Enterprise, when under Pikes command Kirk, under investigation for cheating at the Academy, was inexplicably named First Officer, when according to Starfleet records more experienced and higher ranked officers were in service on the ship. We will bring you more on this story as it develops…

Of course, I’m assuming the Federation is a free society, with a free press…just saying, it’s a bit hard to ignore, even in the make believe world.

104. Phil - May 5, 2013

Sure wish there was an edit feature here…

…Enterprise, when under Pikes command promoted cadet Kirk, under investigation….

105. HubcapDave - May 5, 2013

@100

you didn’t include a spoiler on Pike there, did you?

106. Disinvited - May 5, 2013

#100. Phil – May 5, 2013

Kudos on the excellent news coverage. But hey, what kind of newscast are your running with no gratuitous self-promoting plug for hitting the big 100?

107. Disinvited - May 5, 2013

#102. HubcapDave – May 5, 2013

Man, I’d hate to see Phil’s newscast quashed because he forgot the cardinal rule of American newscasts: Liberally apply the word “alleged”.

108. Robman007 - May 5, 2013

If I were these guys I’d stay the hell away from doing a Talos based film. The fan boys would whine and cry about originality like they are doing now. Just do something that explores a strange new world, with no explosions or action scenes, and appeases the “not my trek” crowd (which they would hate, of course and call it boring and not show up to watch, effectively killing the franchise)

109. The Sinfonian - May 5, 2013

Kirk could have been easily explained….

We get nothing about what he did from driving the car off the cliff, to driving a motorcycle across the Iowa countryside. I’ve pitched before here…. how about we suppose Kirk travelled with his mom to her Starfleet postings at Tarsus, and Deneva. At age 16, he enlisted in the equivalent of the Space Merchant Marine and earned his way over the next 6 years in cargo service. He was back in Iowa because his mother had died. Simple, short, and explains why Pike was able to get him in and promoted… he had years of Merchant Marine space duty.

110. Phil - May 5, 2013

@109. So, in this universe Kirk is Wesley Crusher?

111. Marja - May 5, 2013

As for “fan input” into the second movie, to some of you I say, “be careful what you wish for ….”

I agree with the concept of having advanced the AU timeline by 4 years for the second movie. Kirk earning his chair could have been noted in 5 minutes of dialogue between him and McCoy over drinks. We all know McCoy thought Kirk was brash and not really as straight arrow as he should have been.

Bob Orci, if you’re reading this, I do devoutly wish Cumby was playing Kodos, whom Kirk could recognize from his past [say, he and Winona lived on Tarsus III for a while and saw the horrors wrought by Kodos]. Kodos could have caused another terrible tragedy, since he escaped Tarsus and assumed a new name. Sadly, I guess the endangerment of one planet and its populace is not a Save the Universe theme … if that is required by Paramount for a movie. Say – I know – combine that with a Pon Farr subplot, so the usually dependable Spock becomes unreliable at a crucial time! ;)

Sunfell, I’m with Quinto on the Pon Farr – not sure about the goatee, although that would offer a chance for Kirk to “go rogue” indeed. But Mirrorverse on top of AU … a lot of storytelling for 2 hours :(

40, Trek in a Cafe, “Star Trek” similar in story arc and long plot a la Game of Thrones – I’ve been suggesting that for while now too. Yes! Yes! Yes! YESSS!!!

I think I just had a fangasm.

112. SirBroiler - May 5, 2013

On a new series: Showtime and Trek TV are CBS properties – seems like a perfect match. Showtime has been putting up some great shows.

I’m sure y’all will groan – but how about a time-spanning adventure from the perspective of Section 31 ship and crew? Complex serial drama set in ALL timelines. Or – the five year mission as cover for secret operation of which only Kirk, Spock and McCoy are aware. Read that somewhere else and loved it. Keep it all ship/space based.

113. John from Cincinnati - May 5, 2013

59.

Not gonna happen? Don’t forget, the current Supreme Court is the same team that gave us Lost, an entire series that took place in purgatory. I am not convinced the current universe was made to go beyond 3 movies. I really don’t see an entire Star Trek television series taking place in the JJverse. Talk about retread stories! They would run out of stories ideas so fast the temptation to revisit old episodes would be too hard to resist. Second, JJ will be too busy with Star Wars to oversee an entire new Star Trek series. Third, you have to remember Paramount owns the movie rights and CBS owns the series rights. With Paramount in control of this new universe, they would legally have to resolve a new series that takes place in their universe with CBS. I say, after movie number 3, the current production team can say mission accomplished. They made (will make) Star Trek profitable and cool again. Rekindled fan interest in the franchise. The only logical place to go for the 50th anniversary is back to the Prime universe at the end of the movie.

A Talosian illusion opens everything up. They can do any settings and bring back Shatner Kirk for the 50th and it would bring the franchise full circle for the 50th. The Talosians remember Prime Spock from The Cage mission. Maybe they gave Spock an illusion the moment he “went” through the black hole to protect his mind from the shock. He would awaken at the end of the third movie in the Talosian homeworld. The result of Vina and Prime Pike staying there can be shown. Shatner Kirk can be brought back as an illusion to comfort Spock. A new television series can be started from this point going forward.

114. Snugglepuff - May 5, 2013

If thats the trek premiere why is there a massive Iron Man 3 poster in the background? Everything should be Trek!!!

115. Aye Sir! - May 5, 2013

Admit it, Roberto Orci: TrekMovie.com feedback was LOUDEST about…
Engineering!

Here’s to hoping we see something more akin to the Engineering deck (not just the deep bowels of Engineering) from the TOS days…

116. John from Cincinnati - May 5, 2013

59.

Fourth, I don’t see Chris Pine, Zach Quinto, Zoe Saldana, Simon Pegg, Karl Urban et al signing on for a television series that could potentially run 7 years. Do you? I do not. They all have movie careers and I’m sure don’t want to be tied down to a television series.

Imagine this, 3/4 of Trek 3 can be any story with a new villain. However, at the end Prime Spock awakens on Prime Talos IV. His ship never went to a new universe. It actually took him to Talos IV, the ship on auto pilot crash lands there. The Talosians owe Prime Spock a big favor. He helped bring Pike to Vina there and save their race in the Menagerie don’t forget. The Talosians tried nursing Spock back to health and gave him the JJverse illusion while he recovered. They wake him up when they realize they can’t save him. Bring back Shatner Kirk to comfort him in his last dying moments. Shatner Kirk and Nimoy Spock can talk about their lives, what their friendship meant to each other. A great 50th anniversary moment. The humans on Talos IV can be shown as helping the Talosians to survive but they are still essentially a slave race. One waiting to be set free by a new Enterprise with a new crew for a new TV series.

117. jptech - May 6, 2013

My vote for Josh Wheadon to direct next trek…

118. Curious Cadet - May 6, 2013

@113. John from Cincinnati,
“Third, you have to remember Paramount owns the movie rights and CBS owns the series rights. With Paramount in control of this new universe, they would legally have to resolve a new series that takes place in their universe with CBS.”

Nope. CBS owns everything and has licensed Paramount the rights to make movies on their behalf. Paramount owns the physical movie and related assets, but everything else is owned by CBS. At any point CBS could start making a series based on the alternate universe, because they own it. (though there may be some contractual stipulations which require Paramount’s consent which might still need to be worked out).

And with all due respect, because I like the Talos IV idea you came up with, I can’t imagine many fans even who would want to see that sentimental nostalgic reunion show you’ve envisioned. I also can’t imagine CBS taking the series back to the post Abrams prime universe solely for the fans who abandoned Trek in the first place. Moreover I can’t really see Moonves chomping at the bit to spend the kind of money a new Trek series would require, but to the extent he is, CBS is going to stick with the tried and true formula Abrams has come up with and with which general audiences are most familiar. The would be foolish not to.

Frankly this obsession with the prime universe eludes me. The alternate universe is pure genius and solves numerous problems with rebooting a franchise like Star Trek, but most importantly has already drawn in millions of new fans worldwide. Yes they could do what you suggest, but there’s absolutely no reason to do so.

119. ATOZ the Librarian - May 6, 2013

I still want to see a Trek movie simply called “To Bodly Go”

120. John from Cincinnati - May 6, 2013

118.

The reason to do so is clear. The JJverse can not sustain itself outside of the movies in which all contracts expire after the next movie. What would the next TV series be about? The 5 year mission? With a whole new cast playing the major roles? Hah! Don’t see that happening. After all the effort and resources put into these movies, I don’t see them recasting the entire crew. The existing actors will not sign on for a tv series and be committed to potentially 5 years or more of their lives.
The Next Generation then? Recast a whole new crew just to rehash TNG? I don’t see that happening either.
A whole new crew on a different ship? What’s the point? After the next movie the JJverse will be at the same period as the Original series. Who wants to watch the crew of the USS Lollipop after, as you said it, the movies generated millions of fans of the nu Kirk, Spock et al?

There is no logical place to go in the JJverse after the next movie. Period.

121. Phil - May 6, 2013

So, Star Trek is also Bobby Ewing stepping out of the shower, too… :-(

122. Curious Cadet - May 6, 2013

@120 John,
“There is no logical place to go in the JJverse after the next movie. Period.”

Of course there is. Mainly, not to go anywhere. I just don’t see CBS spending the money yet.

But assuming they do, don’t you have the exact same problem if they go back to the prime universe? Recasting Kirk, Spock, et al?

I can assure you Moonves is not going to do Matlock in space starring William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy. If he did it at all it would be with the same sets and uniforms from the Abrams movies, and the canon already established for the new fans. More than likely it would be a spinoff show in that universe connected to but not about the Enterprise. That would be reserved for the movies, which by the way, will most likely be recast anyway after Pine, Quinto and Saldana move on after 3, just like Bond, Batman, Superman, Spiderman and the Hulk. The new fans won’t blink an eye, because they aren’t as invested as the old Trek fans. Who knows, they might just recast the crew of the Enterprise for TV too. And why not? It worked for MASH and numerous other TV series based on a feature film. Or maybe Pike’s early years, with a brand new crew and younger actor playing Pike. We know what happens to him, but not the rest of his crew.

But the Prime universe is certainly not the only logical place to go, let alone the most likely.

123. Phil - May 6, 2013

@111. I hear you – so far , no good with the Star Trek suggestion box.

124. ObsessiveStarTrekFan - May 6, 2013

@120. John from Cincinnati

“There is no logical place to go in the JJverse after the next movie. Period.”

I disagree. Firstly, I don’t like your Talos IV premise. It seems too kitsch to me. Also, I am not a fan of ‘healing the timeline’ in the first place. The two universes are different and can stay different, and yet co-exist. The mirrorverse (or mirrorverses, if you read the comics) also exists in parallel. We’ve seen it from time to time, and as far as I know, no one is clamouring to ‘repair’ that timeline.

I agree the STID crew are unlikely to sign on to a multiseason series. Why can’t we have a whole new ship and crew – in any one of the 3 (or 4) universes touched on in the Trek multiverse? And in any time period? The JJverse actually gives the most scope for a new series as it is not burdened by all the canon history of the prime universe (post 2233). Maybe, if you planned a multiseason series, each season could focus on a different crew (one of which could be the STID crew, if they were amenable), or even different aspects of the Star Trek ‘universe’. Sirbroiler suggested Section 31 for example. Or it could be the diplomatic corps… Actually the possibilities are endless.

125. Phil - May 6, 2013

@122. Have to agree. JJ’s version is what is currently established in the minds of the public. That, and as you point out, there are existing sets and CGI. Going back means dusting off 20 year old material, which isn’t likely.

126. lostrod - May 6, 2013

#113

“Not gonna happen? Don’t forget, the current Supreme Court is the same team that gave us Lost, an entire series that took place in purgatory …”

Actually, only the final season took place in purgatory.

Sheesh, I miss that series …

Regards.

127. Diskhanbobulated - May 6, 2013

Ugh. It’s time for new screenwriters. It’s barely the second film into this…this “reboot,” and it already feels like a retread. “Iron Man 2″ is a comparable reference. Time to bring in “young minds, fresh ideas” as Scotty described in STIII.

128. Admiral_Bumblebee - May 6, 2013

It’s the 50th anniversary of Star Trek so they need to come up with something big, something to acknowledge the 50 years.

I could imagine something like bringing all crews together in a grand epic adventure the save the multiverse.

It has to be something gigantic for this anniversary.

129. boborci - May 6, 2013

Yeah, 50 is big

130. boborci - May 6, 2013

don’t know about show. But it could be fun.

131. BH - May 6, 2013

Want to use the Talosians? How about this: bring in Gary Mitchell, and instead of limping to the old mining colony where he becomes a God, they end up at Talos IV instead. Godlike Mitchell v Talosians v Kirk.

Kirk beats them all.

That’s a freebie.

132. Cygnus-X1 - May 6, 2013

128. Admiral_Bumblebee – May 6, 2013

—It’s the 50th anniversary of Star Trek so they need to come up with something big, something to acknowledge the 50 years.—

Whatever is done for the 50th Anniversary should have Nick Meyer at the helm providing the vision, or at least substantially involve him!

A multi-cast movie would be great, if it could be practicably done. For budget issues (all of those Trek series casts will cost more than just the current Trek cast), they could write the story so as to streamline the CGI used. Nick Meyer would be good for this. And an added benefit of this necessity would be that it would force the movie to have a story compelling enough to engage the audience without lots of flashing lights, explosions and running around. Not that the older casts are going to be doing much running around anyway. Basically, TWOK would be a good starting point. Enough drama and mystery to carry the story for large blocks of time with minimal special effects, and then more substantial and exciting special effects for the climax and maybe to a lesser degree for a scene about halfway into the movie.

They could re-visit the worm hole created in ST’09, re-opening it somehow, as a plot device to get the Prime Universe casts and the Alt Universe cast together. The Prime Universe casts, though, should have appropriately advanced in their careers. Picard, Sisko and Janeway should be admirals, Kirk Prime and Spock Prime should be retired, Archer might still be a Captain, etc…

133. USS Enterprise B - May 6, 2013

Bob, have you guys started talking about ideas for Part 3 / the 50th Anniversary Movie yet? I remember you guys had the idea for Part 2 (Into Darkness) around the time of the release of the first one, if not earlier. No pressure, but I have high expectations ;)

134. Mikey C - May 6, 2013

if the next film is not in theaters sometime in 2016 for the 50th anniversary, it will be a massively, gigantic, enormous fail on Paramount’s part!

135. Elias Javalis - May 6, 2013

130, Bob do you think a combo trek, series and movie could elevate the franchise or hurt it at this point?

136. PaulB - May 6, 2013

So, according to this interview, the writers included the “Kirk got promoted too fast” idea into STID because of fans and NOT because it was one of the most obvious and important plot points to follow up on from the first film?

Yeah, let’s get new writers for the third film–writers who don’t need the fans to point out obvious things to them.

137. DaddlerTheDalek - May 6, 2013

I want for ST13 something Big & New…

138. Jay - May 6, 2013

I love this new timeline/universe of Star Trek. My biggest fear is that the actors (Pine, Urban and Zaldana especially) are becoming pretty big names in Hollywood apart from Star Trek. That’s something the original cast never had to deal with.

They are already becoming very busy actors and that will continue. And with more success their salaries will continue to rise to where it may be very difficult to get all of them signed together for future Star Trek movies.

Then add to that JJ’s commitment to a Star Wars trilogy.

In short, JJ’s Star Trek may become a victim of it’s own success. We may only get 3 with this cast and crew.

139. MIKO "Awaiting final code for one-minute countdown" - May 6, 2013

Let us see something truly alien, horrific even for the 3rd film as the antagonist. I think First Contact worked great with the borg as we know they are unrelenting and cannot be reasoned with. A lot of great TNG episodes had a creepy feel like that of schisms and night terrors. I think scary is the way froward, like a chilling Trek meets Alien feel. Something stows away on the ship and starts bumping off the crew. Or even bring the borg back some how.. I’m sure the creative team could give them a face lift and make them really scary! ooh how about borg that take human form, like that of the cylons in order to infiltrate the federation. Imagine a crew member where there hand suddenly disintegrates revealing a nasty cutting saw!! Who agrees hearing in IMAX Surround this would blow us away “We are the borg, lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us… Resistance is futile”

Or how about a movie showing the origin of the doomsday machine creators and their goals for conquering the Galaxy with the planet eaters. That would make for a high stakes action movie… but would ultimately mean the Enterprise fighting something huge ‘again’. However it would be good to see what these creators look like and how they build such weapons and why. They could also look really horrible in appearance, and use unsavory methods to kill red shirts haha. With thi concept we could see the return of Matt Decker and his ship the USS Constellation.

140. Mel - May 6, 2013

Fisherman’s Friend have a commercial on German TV, which features Star Trek Into Darkness.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DttzwOyPyuo

141. Damian - May 6, 2013

138–I think that’s likely. It seems Paramount is firm on 2016, and I don’t blame them. Something big has to happen for the 50th anniversary (the only other thing would be a show, and that seems doubtful). But everyone is only signed up for 3 and based on comments from the team, it sounds like most will be ready to move on. Maybe you’ll get a few from the current team to stay on and work with other people.

Glad to see they are addressing Kirks rapid promotion in some fashion, though that was one element of the story for Star Trek (2009) that I couldn’t wrap myself around. It also seemed unnecessary. Kirk and co. could have had some experience under their belt before serving together on the Enterprise.

Also, re: the Enterprise rising out of the water, that is not unheard of in the Trek universe. I read a Deep Space Nine novel where the Defiant hid under the water to avoid detection by Cardassians.

142. Curious Cadet - May 6, 2013

@132 Cygnus-X1,
“They could re-visit the worm hole created in ST’09, re-opening it somehow, as a plot device to get the Prime Universe casts and the Alt Universe cast together.”

Are you kidding me!?

Honestly, this is nothing but gratuitous fan wanking … I mean, you know this right? You don’t really think anybody would ever really do this … You’re just stating your fantasy out loud, right?

This movie would never sell to anybody outside of a small circle of fans, much less the new audiences Abrams has earned which literally saved the franchise so fans could even entertain fantasy’s like this.

I mean everybody saw Generations right? The way they killed Kirk was hardly the worst part. Bringing the two captains together was a really bad idea.

It doesn’t matter anyway, after the fallout STID is sure to get from the fans, my guess is that not only will they stop listening to fans, but most likely they will not touch canon for the next villain or story. I can already see them thinking, ‘well we gave them a villain from canon and this is how those ungrateful whiners thank us’ …

Final film will be an original story and/or villain.

50th anniversary celebrations will be reserved for documentaries and retrospectives. If they can come to terms, maybe a small cameo for Shatner in the next film (a la Orci’s original scripted idea). But that’s it.

143. somethoughts - May 6, 2013

If they can create a story that used every actor from all star treks and make it work, that would be a great way to celebrate.

Use cgi for actors that have passed and get TOS actors, TNG, DS9, Voyager, Enterprise and ST09 and cram them all into some epic journey and story that would make any fan and non fan want to see a movie about exploration and puzzle solving and defeating nature and aliens and completing some crazy quest like lost scrolls or the map to the universe and some unlimited power to replace dying stars of federation planets.

144. Mad Mann - May 6, 2013

Yeah, I agree that this next movie needs to be the biggest Star Trek movie of all, and I am not sure if a movie about a Klingon War is big enough. Maybe there could be a large Klingon War arc to it, but maybe have the main plot about the destruction of the Universe, and the Enterprise and crew save it. It could tie in with Red Matter, Romulus’ sun blowing up in future, and Nero changing history so that that it bookends nicely with the first movie.

145. Jack Aubrey - May 6, 2013

3rd movie villain: The Borg. Attracted by detection of the Narada and its future-Borg technology as referenced in the ST09 countdown comic books.

146. Barney Fife - May 6, 2013

Hey folks, regarding the cast, look no further than the 007 and Batman franchises. They continue with different actors playing the various roles. Same thing could happen with Trek!

147. The Sinfonian - May 6, 2013

Don’t try to be a GREAT threequel. Just be a good threequel, and let history worry about the distinction. (props to Zef)
.
Having used timetravel for movie 1, and supervillain for movie 2…. what deus ex machina is left for movie 3? The threequel is unlikely to hit on Gary Mitchell (also because the comix) or Garth (a wasted opportunity, would have been better in STID than what was chosen) or Kodos (another wasted opportunity, could have worked as described by another) or any other canonvillain. I’m not sure even a canon hero such as Sarek would work in a focused role. Where do they go? My thoughts are:

(#1) An Organian Story. Taken to the brink of war by proxy due to continued Klingon attacks by their proxies the Breen, the Federation becomes proactive in the affairs of a number of planets, with the thought of violating the Prime Directive rather than allowing Klingons to invade and dominate (learning lessons from STID, I’d think!) We still don’t know what the Laurentian business was about. Could include a non-insane protagonist Garth, and all your favorite TOS Klingons. (Follows Gerrold’s Law: A touch of Klingon makes the story better.) Throw in elements of Station K-7, Sherman’s Planet, Tribbles, A Private Little War, Friday’s Child, etc. Leonard James Akaar is pleased. Kirk and Spock solve the mystery of the Organians in a way different from TOS. Carol Marcus kidnapped adds time pressure.

(#2) A TAS Time Trap type story. Enterprise ends up in a pocket universe trap with Klingon, Romulan, Gorn, etc. ships. I hate it already. Unless…. there’s a mission.

(#3) League of Extraordinary Aliens. After seeing the error of giving only one side information about the future with Voldemort, Spock Prime lists out all the great challenges the prime universe had to deal with. By agreement, Klingon and Romulan ships join in a mission with Starfleet’s Enterprise to solve and prevent the Great Preventables: (1) Nomad, The Doomsday and Whale Probes (tie them together… Tan Ru and the Doomsday Machine were like Nomad altered from original programming to find worlds and then terraform a la Genesis, to make habitat for whale-like sentients to arise the Probe would seek) don’t eliminate them: overcome and restore them for help in order to: (2) Intercept Vejur early (Klingons would be motivated to prevent the losses in TMP) so that (3) With the help of Nomad/Tan Ru, the Doom, and Vejur: Defeat The Borg at their homeworld. Fanwanky goodness! If you’re going to revisit, make it an epic.

148. Tom - May 6, 2013

John from Cincinnati’s idea of using the Talosians is intriguing. It opens up infinite possibilities in terms of the story. It would really be Star Trek coming full circle with a storyline spinning off from Gene Roddenberrys original pilot However it will probably be deemed as too cerebral, like the pilot ,in this action packed universe. If the team can find a way to mix them in with the Kilingons(if that is where they were leaning to for the next movie) there is limitless potential.

149. Phil - May 6, 2013

Well, someone has to say it…

Outside of the core fan base, not that many people are going to care it’s the shows 50th anniversary. Marketing gimmick at best – Trek 6 didn’t exactly ignite a revival of Trek because of the 25th anniversary of the show. It did decent box office because it was a decent movie.

Decent movie is the key – if it turns into an orgy of every cheap deus ex machine gimmick Trek has hoisted on the viewing audience as a cheap way to work in as many cameos as possible, it’ll be a disaster of Ishtar proportions. Don’t forget, one of the negative early criticisms od STID is that it’s a bit heavy on the fan service. Assuming that Bob and the boys are back for the third installment, I’d suspect they’d dial that back a bit, not go over the top with it. Lets do a decent, sci-fi story worthy of sending this cast on their way in style, and move on from there….

There. Now the floggings can begin….

150. Thorny - May 6, 2013

Bob… Don’t overreach for the 50th Anniversary, though, SKYFALL was just a movie. A very good movie, yes, but it didn’t squeeze-in cameo appearances by all of the various Bond villains of the past 20 films or anything like that. It told a little backstory about Bond and we got to see the Goldfinger car again. The rest was just another great 007 adventure. That’s what Star Trek 2016 needs to be. Might I suggest that movie end where TOS began… with Kirk and Company getting their orders to begin the Five Year Mission, the way Skyfall ended with the new M, Q and Moneypenny in place?

151. Ctrl-Opt-Del - May 6, 2013

I wonder if the question asked on here of “What should we call the big dish on the front?” ever came to anything, or if the line/scene that was for ended-up getting cut anyway…

152. falcon - May 6, 2013

I gotta say this…

As big a Trek fan as I am (I was there on Sept. 8, 1966 for the premiere on NBC), I’m afraid that Trek at 50 is past its prime.

Let’s face it, to put it in perspective, in the last 50 years, what has NASA done that is truly groundbreaking? (Other than that little foray to the moon, of course.) A space truck (that’s now been retired)? A space station that fell to earth (remember Skylab?)? Little probes to Mars? Meh.That’s pretty much where Star Trek is at. Every movie’s gotta have a villain, yadda yadda yadda. (And even when exploration was the focus – as in TNG’s “Encounter at Farpoint” – it was ham-handed, starry-eyed, poorly written – and still had a villain.)

We were supposed to have flying cars and Mars colonies by the year 2000. Here we are, 13 years later, and we don’t have jack. So, if you equate what NASA has done to what Star Trek has done, then you have to wonder if it’s not time for something new.

153. BH - May 6, 2013

@146 – and just wait until Disney does that to Indiana Jones and we get another 3-5 films with a new actor.

I give it 18-24 months to announcement.

It’s the least talked about acquisition, but everyone’s looking at shiny Star Wars and forgets Indy is LucasFilm. Paramount has its fingers all over that pie, but Disney is flush with cash and Paramount is hurting. It’ll happen, I am sure.

154. Yanks - May 6, 2013

@ 47. Curious Cadet – May 5, 2013

Let’s see, Bob Orci himself brought this up, and is the centerpiece of this article as an example for how they listened to the fans. Somehow, discussing it further seems quite appropriate, and given the considerable debates elsewhere over the brewery as engineering set, lack of focus on McCoy, Carol Marcus being objectified in her underwear, the Enterprise underwater, Uhura only being portrayed as Spock’s girlfriend, et al, I’d say yeah, the fans are paying attention to considerably more than the hard to swallow promotion of Kirk.
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Breath in, breath out…

Each one of us could “write it” a different way… and each of us could get crucified by us “trekkie’s” because critiqing someone else’s work is always easier.

I will wait and see STID before I try to come up with what I’d like to see in the next movie.

And not sure what ANYONE could have against seeing Alice Eve in “Star Fleet underwear”. Come on man, it’s not even a bikini :-)

155. Barney Fife - May 6, 2013

@152 falcon
I too am a charter member of Trek-mania (9/8/66 on NBC)…..

Are. You. Kidding. Me? NOW you’re saying it’s time for something new? ST09 made mega-bucks and it looks like this one will do the same. This is Star Trek 2.0 and I love their new take on it. Movies must be spectacular in order to make money. I’ve said it a million times on these boards, Trek really shines on TV. I would love to see these guys take a shot at a series….and shake things up regarding the format of the episodes. No one will watch a Trek series if it’s produced like the previous series. And go on cable, like TNT or AMC. Just do 12 or 13 episodes a season to preserve quality. Just do it!! By the way, 2017 is the 30th anniversary of TNG….that’d be a good time to start a series!

156. Yanks - May 6, 2013

As far as Trek’s next venture into TV, I don’t believe we can stay in the new timeline unless these characters all agree to do a series.

I’m not opposed to starting STE up again. With the right writers, I think they could successfully take us through the Romulan War and the creation of the Federation and the Neutral Zone. All the actors are still young enough to make this happen.

157. Cygnus-X1 - May 6, 2013

142. Curious Cadet – May 6, 2013

—Honestly, this is nothing but gratuitous fan wanking … I mean, you know this right?—

Of course!

And who doesn’t like a good wank?

Besides you, that is.

However, your comparison of my wank fantasy to anything even remotely relating to the abominable travesty known as “Generations” is yours and yours alone. Generations didn’t suck and fail because of the plot device of the two captains being brought together; it failed and sucked for a thousand other reasons, including but not limited to, the story sucking and the direction sucking.

Look, I was trying to compromise in my wank fantasy by including all of the Trek casts. Sure, I could do without any of the Voyager cast, but they are a substantial part of Trekdom and I know that Voyager has its fan base.

Whether or not my Trek Anniversary wank fantasy would be appealing to a general audience is not limited to its inclusion of other casts or lack thereof. Open your mind a bit. There are many ways that a great story could include characters from multiple casts.

You’re obviously carrying water for Abrams and the new Trek, so you must approve of that worm-hole plot device which brought together members from two different casts. That movie did good business. So, why not 3 casts? 4, 5 or all 6?

158. somethoughts - May 6, 2013

Next movie should just be called, where no one has gone before and poster shows strange star system with USS ENTERPRISE-A

159. Red Dead Ryan - May 6, 2013

I actually hope the next movie, if it does come out in 2016, is done as well as “Skyfall” was. “Skyfall” was a brilliantly crafted Bond flick that happened to come out during the fiftieth anniversary of “Dr. No”, the first Bond flick. There were a few references to the prior movies here and there, but overall, it stayed away from self-reverence and kept the focus on the current storyline.

That is how the writers should approach the next movie. I hope they don’t let the anniversary be a distraction. I don’t want crammed-in cameos from prior actors, and I don’t want to see a reset to the prime universe.

Also, I don’t think we’re going to get a new series for 2016. I think its mostly going to involve big milestone conventions, fan-films, and documentaries.

We might get a “Trekkies 3″, a Shatner-made doc, or some other Paramount/CBS approved documentary marking the anniversary.

160. MC1 Doug - May 6, 2013

“I like the Enterprise rising out of the ocean…that was an idea that Alex pitched and the minute he pitched it I was like ‘It is going to piss off some fans but I love it, it is going to be great!”

He’s right. It does piss me off! A spaceship is a spaceship and a submarine is a submarine. This is a dumb dumb dumb REALLY dumb idea!

Can you imagine the Seaview, the Proteus, Nautilus or Seaquest… or any real life sub flying through the darkness of space??? No? * Then why the hell think a spacecraft could withstand the crushing pressure of an ocean.

Um, and the last time a spacecraft tried to be a submarine was in 1961 when Gus Grissom’s Mercury-Redstone 4, popularly known as “Liberty Bell 7″ sank after the hatch’s explosive bolts fired too soon after spash down.

When the hatch was blown ocean water flooded the capsule causing it to sink and nearly drowning Grissom. Liberty Bell 7 remained at the bottom of the ocean until it was recovered in 1999.

* I have the same idea about the Flying Sub or Sky One… any vessel that can withstand the huge pressures of being underwater is going to be constructed of materials that are far too heavy to fly.

161. THX-1138 - May 6, 2013

What is the point in secrecy if you release the movie in Australia a month before it premiers in the U.S.? Like a crack head looking for rock, once I saw that spoilers were posted online I sought them out. And I am glad I did. I’m going to take my family, who are completely unspoiled to it so I can see their reaction to the plotline that I feared the most. If they all say that it’s a great movie and they love the “twist” then I won’t complain as loudly.

But if they feel the same way that I do then it’s on.

And please, if there is mercy in the universe, can we get Trek back on TV? In the (ugh) Prime Universe? Please?

162. Disinvited - May 6, 2013

153. BH – May 6, 2013

Possible, but:

“We love the franchise [INDIANA JONES] by the way, but it’s not factored into the equation, so to speak, in this acquisition.” – Disney chief
executive, Robert Iger

http://cdn.media.ir.thewaltdisneycompany.com/2012/events/lucasfilm-2012-1030-transcript.pdf

163. Disinvited - May 6, 2013

#160. MC1 Doug – May 6, 2013

I hate to break this to you but in a 2nd season SEAQUEST cliffhanger extending into the 3rd season some ETs did just that. And there were so many VTTBOS total episodes to keep track of what happened but I’m sort of inclined to believe I recall that the Seaview even left the Earth one way or another.

164. BH - May 6, 2013

@162 – money talks, and Disney has a bunch of it. Paramount needs it. It’ll take some time to sort out (remember the lawsuits that held up Spiderman? this isn’t nearly as bad).

They will NOT let a property that could bring in 500 million sit on the shelf for that long. They’ll get dialed in on Star Wars, then the eye of sauron turns to Indy. 2 years tops.

And is someone REALLY asking if a starship should be able to withstand water pressure? ROFLMAO.

165. MC1 Doug - May 6, 2013

The Seaquest did not go into outer space of its own accord, nor could it….

… I’ve watched every episode of the VTTBOTS about as many times as I have TOS and the Seaview never went into outer space … although an alien force did try, unsuccessfully, to pull it up from the ocean via some kind of tractor beam.

In any case, it is STILL a dumb idea to have the Enterprise trolling around on a planet’s ocean floor. It is bad science and it is bad science fiction… and worst of all, it is bad TREK, which over the decades has at the very least attempted to achieve some semblance of believability.

166. The Sinfonian - May 6, 2013

Hey, cut Bob and Alex some slack. They only submerse the Enterprise. They’d don’t fly around bobbing along on the bottom of the beautiful briny sea on planet Naboombu, or sail the seven seas. They just hide. With a different Enterprise which we know was launched from land at Riverside, Iowa. One sure as heck would think it’s airtight. How it submerses is open to conjecture: flooding a hangar deck? running impulse engines? The buoyant force must be unbelievable!

167. Thorny - May 6, 2013

165… Voyager had the Delta Flyer go underwater in “30 Days”. Defiant survived crushing pressures in a gas giant’s atmosphere on “Starship Down”.

168. NuFan - May 6, 2013

161

Yes. No. No.

169. Keachick - May 6, 2013

#113 – Bob Orci and Alex Kurtzman had nothing to do with the Lost series.

170. Keachick - May 6, 2013

Bob Orci – “I like the Enterprise rising out of the ocean…that was an idea that Alex pitched and the minute he pitched it I was like ‘It is going to piss off some fans but I love it, it is going to be great!”

That scene will NOT piss this fan off. I love the notion that this starship Enterprise can also go underwater, if only for a short time. Very cool idea, Alex Kurtzman! What’s with the fish with the hump though?

Yes, Bob, you guys are damned if you do and damned if you don’t with many a Star Trek fan…oh dear…

171. Rhett Coates - May 6, 2013

I agree with post #170: the only person I can imagine it would piss off is SCOTTY (the character), and in fact we have seen a take where he is complaining that salt water might eat at the hull…. LOL! Great stuff, Bob & Co. — keep those writings going JUST LIKE you plan them.

Besides, fellow ‘Trekkers, if we’re really clever, we can always dream up realistic ways (realistic in scifi, that is) for such a vessel not only have the capability to go under water for “whatever the reason,” but also to be built on land (Riverside, Iowa) or San Francisco, or wherever, and plenty of other interesting capabilities we have yet to see in Star Trek stories. It’s like I’ve said here (and on other websites) before: in literary fiction, anything is possible — but in SCIENCE FICTION, EVERYthing is possible!

Live long and prosper, Bob Orci & Co.!

172. Kenji - May 6, 2013

62 – I was with you until the “deity” thing, which was done semi-interestingly in TMP and risibly badly in TFF.

I disagree that ST09 was devoid of ideas but I would agree that a “supervillain who will destroy Earth” is a played out trope.

It may be time to get into drama. The essence of drama is deciding to do something that you do not want to do, for reasons that outweigh your personal preference.

Trek has rarely been a drama in that sense, but I would like to see it try.

It also can and should continue to be a naval adventure series. I would like to see the Enterprise deal with a situation where it is completely cut off from the fleet – having to be truly autonomous, imperilled, on short commons, but the people resilient, the officers skillful, and the ship magnificent in triumph.

173. Phil - May 6, 2013

Come on guys…Space Battleship Yamato. No reason why we would not have a bunch of other ships in Starfleet…FLEET, get it. If it’s a fleet, surely they can go in the water, right? Fly through the air? Space Submarine Seaview. Space Carrier Varyag. Space Cruiser Enterprise….

174. THX-1138 - May 6, 2013

The Enterprise underwater is the least of my concerns. I am more concerned about the rumors surrounding the plot.

175. Basement Blogger - May 6, 2013

A few things. Bob, I love the part in your hair. Alex, not a fan of the beard. :-) On surprise in movies, it can be wonderful and it can stink if the surprise stinks. Case in point. Iron Man 3 Since Bob and Alex are doing Spider-Man, the guys know about the ridiculous plot twist in IIM3. As for the Enterprise in the ocean, well the Enterprise was seen flying in the atmosphere in “Tomorrow is Yesterday.” She’s hardly aerodynamic.

176. Phil - May 6, 2013

@175. Yep, high in the atmosphere, and as I recall they were doing everything short of getting out and pushing to get her back in orbit. This Enterprise flies through the air with the greatest of ease, and swims, too. Not sure why they drew the line at heat exposure…but I guess they needed to hold some special feature back for the next movie.

Regardless, magic Enterprise is what it is…

177. Prince Adam Ruled in He Man - May 7, 2013

Mr. Orci.

Would it be possible to have the 3rd film combine all canons of Trek? Sorta like Xmen Days Of Future Past, maybe have Picard and Kirk Prime return thus the timeline is restored?

178. Yanks - May 7, 2013

Obviously 23rd century space craft can submerge for a period of time.

Next topic please.

179. John from Cincinnati - May 7, 2013

148.

Thank you Tom

180. Phil - May 7, 2013

Let me think about it for a minute. No.

181. Curious Cadet - May 8, 2013

@159. Red Dead Ryan,
” I hope they don’t let the anniversary be a distraction. I don’t want crammed-in cameos from prior actors, and I don’t want to see a reset to the prime universe.”

In total agreement.

But you know what I wouldn’t mind seeing? A 3D conversion of ST09 with added “anniversary footage”.

In fact I’m surprised they didn’t try to get ST09 converted to 3D (Paramount already did a test to convince Abrams to do STID in 3D in the first place), during the 4 year lull. But I suppose Abrams is required for that as well and it took Cameron a long time to crank out 3D Titanic. But the fact remains, there’s a market for it, and it only boosts the franchise offerings.

In addition, what if they had Abrams produce (but not direct) the Countdown prequel which depicts the TNG crew helping Spock prevent the Supernova to open, with minor reediting to the mind-meld in the middle, and conclude with shooting the scripted sequence using the Shatner hologram?

They could also include the deleted Klingon material. And rework the Countdown material to include other DS9 & Voyager principals. And perhaps find a way to include the remaining living TOS cast. Data would be the hardest as he would have to be heavily CGI a la Tron.

They’ve made their money off the original film, and I would think the fans alone would cover the budget for these fan-targeted extras, if not turn a profit by themselves. And 3D would draw in a substantial amount of general audiences. Release it in the Fall when action movies are in short supply and feelings of nostalgia are high in people’s minds to maximize potential audience.

Then they could ease the pressure off releasing the next movie by Summer 2016 and push it back at least a year.

182. Ben - May 9, 2013

Has everybody forgotten that the 2009 film was written during a writer’s strike? It seems pointless to criticise a story that couldn’t undergo any alterations during the process of making the film. Yeah, it wasn’t perfect, but it was still damned good and it gave Star Trek a MUCH needed breath of life. After the monotony of watching shows like Voyager and Enterprise, and watching a universe with so much potential disappear down the drain, it was amazing to see a big screen Star Trek deliver so much. Trek 2009 was a brilliant, though slightly flawed, film.

Having seen Into Darkness, which is INCREDIBLE, you can really see the difference in quality from the 2009 film, the difference you can get from a team who can actively make adjustments and fix bits and pieces as they spot them.

And as for the Enterprise rising out of the water, what the hell is wrong with that?! A starship, built and designed to withstand the pressures of space, warp speed, and other intense phenomena, and you think water would somehow have any effect beyond what Scotty described in the film? It’s fun to see the writers put the Enterprise into situations like this! Besides, if the original 1701 can withstand the pressures of being inside a space amoeba, I’m pretty sure a bit of water will have little effect on a significantly larger, more powerful ship.

183. Bill Lutz - May 13, 2013

It seems, regardless of the awful writing and the deliberate ripoffs of the original movies,fans will accept anything these days just so they can say its Star Trek.
Sad.
I just wish Orrci and Kurtzman actually watched the original showsand not just watched but LISTENED.
Then again, so should allot of the fans.
The best thing about Star Trek is its fans; the worse thing about Star Trek is its fans.
Sigh….

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