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New ‘Compendium’ Blu-ray Set Compiles Star Trek 2009 + Into Darkness IMAX + New Bonus Features [UPDATE: Available For Pre-order] June 23, 2014

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Today Paramount announced a new 4-disc Blu-ray set for the two JJ Abrams’ Trek features – 2009′s Star Trek in HD and the IMAX version of 2013′s Star Trek Into Darkness . Also included are digital versions, all the previously released bonus material (including some only available via some retailers) and new bonus material. See box art and full disc by disc details below. [UPDATE: Now Available For pre-order]

UPDATE: Pre-order available

Amazon has added a pre-order for the new Blu-ray set: Star Trek: The Compendium [Blu-ray]
for $31.49.

 

Original Article

STAR TREK: THE COMPENDIUM BLU-RAY

Box Art

st compendium

Press Release

DIRECTOR J.J. ABRAMS’ PHENOMENAL BLOCKBUSTERS ARRIVE IN THE ULTIMATE BLU-RAY™ SET SEPTEMBER 9, 2014

Both Feature Films—Including the IMAX Version of Star Trek Into Darkness—Plus Previously Released Bonus Material and Additional Never-Before-Seen Footage Debut in Four-Disc Set

HOLLYWOOD, Calif. – Director J.J. Abrams’ global sensations Star Trek and Star Trek Into Darkness set a course for the ultimate home entertainment package in STAR TREK: THE COMPENDIUM, arriving September 9, 2014 from Paramount Home Media Distribution. The set includes four Blu-ray Discs with both films in sparkling high definition and the IMAX version of Star Trek Into Darkness, Digital HD copies of both films, plus previously released bonus material, including the Star Trek Into Darkness director’s commentary. STAR TREK: THE COMPENDIUM also boasts never-before-released footage from Star Trek Into Darkness including a gag reel and new behind-the-scenes featurettes. This comprehensive four-disc set will be offered for the suggested retail price of $39.99.

STAR TREK: THE COMPENDIUM Four-Disc Blu-ray Set
The STAR TREK Blu-ray is presented in 1080p high definition with English 5.1 Dolby TrueHD, French 5.1 Dolby Digital and Spanish 5.1 Dolby Digital with English, English SDH, French, Spanish and Portuguese subtitles. The STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS Blu-ray is presented in 1080p high definition with English 7.1 Dolby TrueHD, French 5.1 Dolby Digital, Spanish 5.1 Dolby Digital, Portuguese 5.1 Dolby Digital and English Audio Description and English, English SDH, French, Spanish and Portuguese subtitles. The four-disc set includes access to a Digital HD copy of each film, as well as the following:

Disc 1
• Star Trek in high definition
• Commentary by J.J. Abrams, Bryan Burk, Alex Kurtzman, Damon Lindelof and Roberto Orci

Disc 2
• To Boldly Go— Taking on the world’s most beloved science fiction franchise was no small mission. Director J.J. Abrams, writers Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman, producer Damon Lindelof, and executive producer Bryan Burk talk about the many challenges they faced and their strategy for success.
o Branching Pods:
 The Shatner Conundrum
 Red Shirt Guy
 The Green Girl
 Trekker Alert!
• Casting— The producers knew their greatest task was finding the right cast to reprise these epic roles. The cast, for their part, talk about the experience of trying to capture the essence of these mythic characters. The piece concludes with a moving tribute to Leonard Nimoy.
• A New Vision— J.J. Abrams’ vision was not only to create a Star Trek that was a bigger, more action-packed spectacle, but also to make the spectacle feel real. Every aspect of production—from unique locations to the use of classic Hollywood camera tricks—was guided by this overall objective.
o Branching Pods:
 Savage Pressure
• Starships—Abrams and production designer Scott Chambliss were careful to pay tribute to the design of the original Enterprise, but they also wanted to make it futuristic and cool for a modern audience. This chapter focuses on the unique stories behind the creation of the film’s starships.
o Branching Pods:
 Warp Explained
 Paint Job
 Bridge Construction Accelerated
 The Captain’s Chair
 Button Acting 101
 Narada Construction Accelerated
 Shuttle Shuffle
• Aliens— Designers Neville Page and Joel Harlow talk about the hurdles they faced creating new alien species, recreating the Romulans and Vulcans, and designing the terrifying creatures on Delta Vega for the new Star Trek.
o Branching Pods:
 The Alien Paradox
 Big-Eyed Girl
 Big Bro Quinto
 Klingons
 Drakoulias Anatomy 101
• Planets— From the frozen landscape of Delta Vega to the desert plains of Vulcan, Scott Chambliss and the art department had a number of radically different planets to create. Abrams’ desire to shoot on real locations whenever possible led the production team to a number of strange and surprising locations.
o Branching Pods:
 Extra Business
 Confidentiality
• Props and Costumes— Property master Russell Bobbitt had the unique challenge of designing props that were both true to the original series and pertinent to today’s technology. Likewise, costume designer Michael Kaplan talks about how he designed costumes that paid homage to what came before yet were relevant and timeless.
o Branching Pods:
 Klingon Wardrobe
• Ben Burtt and the Sounds of Star Trek— When famed sound designer Ben Burtt was hired to create sounds for the first Star Wars film, he took his inspiration from the original “Star Trek” series. Burtt jumped at the opportunity to pay tribute to the sounds that sparked his career with the sounds he created for the new Star Trek.
• Score— As a fan of the original series, composer Michael Giacchino embraced the challenge of creating new music for Star Trek while preserving the spirit of Alexander Courage’s celebrated theme.
• Gene Roddenberry’s Vision— J.J. Abrams, Leonard Nimoy, previous Star Trek writers and producers, and scientific consultant Carolyn Porco describe and commend the optimistic and enduring vision of Gene Roddenberry.
• Deleted Scenes with Optional Commentary
• Starfleet Vessel Simulator—Explore extensive data on the U.S.S. Enterprise and the Romulan ship, the Narada. Submerse yourself in breathtaking 360° views and close-ups and review detailed tech information.
• Gag Reel
• Trailers

Disc 3
• Star Trek Into Darkness IMAX Version in high definition
• Enhanced Commentary

Disc 4
• The Voyage Begins…Again – Go behind-the-scenes as filming begins on the next Star Trek adventure.
• Creating the Red Planet – Experience the creation of a never-before-seen alien world, as featured in the action-packed opening sequence of the film.
• Introducing the Villain
• Rebuilding the Enterprise – See the design and construction of a bigger, interconnected Enterprise set.
• National Ignition Facility: Home of the Core – Location shooting at the National Ignition Facility.
• Attack on Starfleet – Go behind the scenes with the cast and filmmakers and witness the creation of the shocking attack on Starfleet Headquarters.
• Aliens Encountered – The design and application of alien makeup.
• The Klingon Home World – Discover the stunning world of Kronos, and see how the filmmakers reinvented the Klingons for a new generation.
• The Enemy of My Enemy – Find out how, and why, the identity of the film’s true villain was kept a mystery to the very end.
• Vengeance is Coming – A comprehensive look at the design and production surrounding the black ship.
• Ship to Ship – An in-depth and thrilling look at the filming of the iconic space jump sequence, which both defied the laws of physics and pushed the limits of visual effects.
• Mr. Spock and Mr. Spock – Leonard Nimoy makes a cameo appearance and reflects on his history with Trek.
• Down with the Ship – Discover the stunt & VFX work involved to make the Enterprise roll over.
• Kirk and Spock – Explore the dynamic relationship between the film’s heroes.
• Brawl by the Bay – Sit in with Zachary Quinto and Benedict Cumberbatch as they revisit their intense preparation for the film’s breathtaking climax.
• Continuing the Mission – An inspiring look at the partnership between the film’s crew and the organization that assists returning veterans to find meaningful ways to contribute on the home front.
• Unlocking the Cut – A discussion with the film editors about their monumental task.
• The Sounds of Music (and FX) – A discussion with film composer Michael Giacchino and sound designer Ben Burtt.
• Visual Affection – A comprehensive look at the creation and implementation of visual effects.
• Safety First – A prank pulled on the cast.
• Theatrical Trailers
• Deleted Scenes
• NEW! Gag Reel
• NEW! Fitting the Future—A look at the film’s out-of-this-world costumes.
• NEW! Property of Starfleet—Sourcing and tracking the film’s myriad props.

The STAR TREK: THE COMPENDIUM Blu-ray set available for purchase includes Digital Versions of both films that can be accessed through UltraViolet™, a new way to collect, access and enjoy movies. With UltraViolet, consumers can add movies to their digital collection in the cloud, and then stream or download them—reliably and securely—to a variety of devices.

 

Comments»

1. KH - June 23, 2014

Happy that this is coming. Annoyed that we should have gotten this a year ago.

2. Toonloon - June 23, 2014

I wonder if the deleted scenes are the same as the ones on the Xbox or if there are some new ones including the infamous shower scene.

3. Jeyl - June 23, 2014

Holy cow. Most folks would assume that their handling of the original BluRay was because the studio wanted to get out of the tangible medium department so they made everything as cheaply and as profitable as they could. Turns out the home video department didn’t quite understand the expectations that a lot of Paramount Home Video’s releases set with Star Trek. Hopefully this means that we’ll be seeing new releases of the classic films with proper remastering work (NO BLUE TINT in The Wrath of Khan!) and HD presentations of the Director’s Editions.

4. Matt Wright - June 23, 2014

@ 3 — Don’t count on it, this is almost certainly a cash grab due to lower than hoped disc sales of the STID the first time around.

5. David - June 23, 2014

Wish I had a blu ray player – but I bet they’ll re-release this alongside Trek 3 when it comes out so I’ll wait for that instead. This will be dirt cheap by then anyway.

6. Ahmed - June 23, 2014

@4. Matt Wright – June 23, 2014

“this is almost certainly a cash grab due to lower than hoped disc sales of the STID the first time around.”

Say it ain’t so :-)

“A New Vision— J.J. Abrams’ vision was not only to create a Star Trek that was a bigger, more action-packed spectacle, but also to make the spectacle feel real. Every aspect of production—from unique locations to the use of classic Hollywood camera tricks—was guided by this overall objective. ”

Action, Explosions, Action, Explosions, Brief Dialogue, Action, Explosions, Action, Explosions!!!

Abrams’ vision, indeed!

7. Marco - June 23, 2014

Bill Hunt over at The Digital Bits has the full scoop on this and it looks like this was largely his doing in terms of convincing Paramount to do this. According to Bill there will be some sort of rebate for people who bought the earlier versions of Into Darkness on BD. And Bill passed along to Paramount that the fans would like new and better transfers of the older films with their special edition versions. Bills full report (and this is very worth your time) is at the following:

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/columns/my-two-cents/062314_0600

8. Ahmed - June 23, 2014

My apology, forget to add:

Lens flares EVERYWHERE

9. Yotsuyasan - June 23, 2014

DigitalBits does make it sound as if this is indeed in response to fan backlash against the poor handling of the original release of STID. I guess Paramount ALMOST got it right this time… Only problem as far as I am concerned is, who cares enough to have waited on the first release hoping for something like this, but doesn’t already own the ’09 film? So basically, while it is great that now I don’t need to purchase three or four versions of STID to get everything, it still contains a redundant purchase.

I suppose I can hope for a sale on this set. (We’ll see what Amazon’s pre-order price is, maybe it won’t be so bad.) And I guess I could just re-sell or gift to a friend my original version of the ’09 film. But still, as great is it is to finally have a definitive release of STID, so I shouldn’t complain too much, would it have killed Paramount to release it by itself?

10. Lurker - June 23, 2014

Digital Bits article is mentioning Paramount is working on a rebate/discount offer

11. Rachel - June 23, 2014

And where can I preorder this?

12. Mad Mann - June 23, 2014

Cool, but not gonna buy it.

I just got TOS on Bluray, finally. I have plenty of good Star Trek to watch, there’s no way I’m gonna waste my money on this set.

13. Jasom - June 23, 2014

So to finally get the Into Darkness special features we have to re-buy the first movie too?

14. Disinvited - June 23, 2014

#8. Yotsuyasan – June 23, 2014

I suspect Paramount’s marketing is hoping the regifting will be to friends and acquaintances who are on the fence about Trek and nuParamount’s video releases will win them over.

15. Ahmed - June 23, 2014

@ 11. Mad Mann – June 23, 2014

“I just got TOS on Bluray, finally. I have plenty of good Star Trek to watch, there’s no way I’m gonna waste my money on this set.”

Good call.

16. Lynn Graham - June 23, 2014

So basically paying a fortune for what we already have your not adding a lot of new material. I’m not fussed about the first film, no harm but the baddie is a little insipid and instantly forgetable, I enjoyed it I own it already, but not interested in owning it again. I prefer ST:ITD far more impressive baddies, both Cumberbatch and Weller.

Now for the right extras I would have bought this just for ST:ITD. But as far as I can see there is not a lot of new material, IMAX and a comentary and a gag real, and it looks like you are still not releasing all the missing scenes from ST:ITD as it doesn’t say New next to them. So I am assuming its what we already have. So you want us to pay more money for very little, just a slightly bigger version of the movie and a gag reel.

I know why everything wont be on it because you will release a box set of all three and it will have stuff this one doesn’t. I thought the release of ST:ITD was an appalling affront to fans. Different extras for different companies forcing fans of both the franchise and Mr Cumberbatch to buy multiple copies if they wanted everything. That is conning the fans. And do you know all that that does is make us angry, and in my case makes me refuse to spend the money because I hate getting taken for a ride. So sorry guys I pass on this.

If you had just released a straight version with no extras, then this I might have bought into it. But I am just so discusted by the whole release of this film and the multiple copies. P.S. I doubt this will get past the moderators but I just wanted to let you know how a lot of felt.

17. Danielle - June 23, 2014

NEW GAG REEL!! I am so, SO happy! Today is a win.

18. Nony - June 23, 2014

I’ll just wait for the gag reel to hit the internet. I don’t own a physical copy of the ’09 movie yet, but STID left a bad enough taste in my mouth that I don’t really feel like contributing to its ancillary revenue.

19. Kevin - June 23, 2014

@16 Lynn Graham

Did you buy the Target and the Best Buy release and download the commentary from iTunes and buy the XBOX version for the deleted scenes? If you didn’t then you ARE getting a ton of new material for STID.

20. JohnR - June 23, 2014

IMAX YES!!!

21. Marja - June 23, 2014

Well, thanks again Paramount, for excluding those of us who don’t have Blu-Ray.

This — in both versions, BRay and non- — should have been released around Nov/Dec 2013.

So again Feh! and I’ll hope some friends with BluRay availability can show these to me. Sorry Paramount, no dollars here >:-{

Stop assuming Trek fans will sell all their worldly goods to get your merchandise or the possibility of playing it.

Sign me “Bitter much?”

22. Hat Rick - June 23, 2014

Delighted to see that ST2009 and STID are receiving white-glove treatment this release.

I will honestly say that, for the first time in memory, I do not have a personal copy of the most current Star Trek movie in any format, which as I think about it, is shocking. I proudly own the Target version of ST2009, which came with the Starship Enterprise packaging, because I bought it very shortly after it was offered. However, when it came time to purchase STID, I was late to the game and it had run out.

I am seriously considering buying this new offering.

I do remember complaining about the multiple-product distribution of the featurettes during the original DVD / Blu-ray sales period — i.e., that you had to buy several versions in order to get all the added features; that fact did in fact discourage me from buying any STID disc at all until all versions were out of stock.

Considering that, nevertheless, I still like STID quite a lot, I guess now’s my chance to own both STID and ST2009, along with the new featurettes, including deleted scenes, and commentary.

23. Jonboc - June 23, 2014

I’m tired of having to pop open the Enterprise saucer every time I want to watch Star Trek. And I love all the extras from Into Darkness. This thing will be on sale for $20 at some point…and I’ll be all over it!

24. Yotsuyasan - June 23, 2014

Marja, DVD came out in the US around 1997 and by 2000 had pretty much replaced VHS. That was a span of about three years that it took for that format switch to become fairly well entrenched.

Meanwhile, Blu-ray first started coming out in 2006 and it is now 2014. That’s eight years! Frankly, people should consider themselves lucky that movies are still released at all in DVD format.

If a studio doesn’t release their super duper special editions in both formats, I don’t blame them one bit. Blu-ray is hardly a new or prohibitively expensive format anymore.

25. The Squire of Gothos - June 23, 2014

Here’s to hoping there are more Star Trek film releases in the works! 2016?

I’m interested in the voucher info for people who have already purchased these 2 titles previously.

26. Commodore Adams - June 23, 2014

Could care less, companies always do this and expect people to buy the same movie, two or three times. I already have 2009 and Into Darkness on steel book not to mention that when the third movies comes out (if they are only signed up for three movies) that they will release a NuTrek trilogy box set and eventually for the 50th anniversary probably release a box set containing all 13 movies.

I am hoping for the 50th the original 10 movies are properly remastered and transferred to blu-ray. The first 9 movie blu-ray transfers are not of the best quality (haven’t watched it in a while, can’t remember how Nemesis looks on blu-ray but I remember it being pretty good.)

Anyway a remastering of the first 10 movies with proper transfers in steel book editions with proper movie poster box art is all I ask. Those movies need the CBS treatment, clean those movies up!

27. Lemingsworth Bint - June 23, 2014

Pre-ordered 15 for friends and acquaintances due to the IMAX material!

Win!

28. Ahmed - June 23, 2014

@ 27. Lemingsworth Bint – June 23, 2014

“Pre-ordered 15 for friends and acquaintances due to the IMAX material!
Win!”

What about your co-workers? Come on, dude, you should pre-order at least 100 for them, don’t forget your neighbors as well!!

29. The Observer - June 23, 2014

@4

Don’t be absurd. It’s DS9 on blu that’s been cancelled, not Star Trek 3. This is an entirely new pressing, with new features, not an attempt to boost sales.

Bill Hunt gets the credit, and if the rebate is decent, I’m in.

30. Ahmed - June 23, 2014

@ 29. The Observer – June 23, 2014

“@4 Don’t be absurd. It’s DS9 on blu that’s been cancelled, not Star Trek 3. This is an entirely new pressing, with new features, not an attempt to boost sales.”

What are you talking about? If you are responding to Matt’s comment @4, I don’t see anything in his comment about ST 13 been cancelled.

As for your point that this is not “not an attempt to boost sales.”, that is BS. STID didn’t bring in as much as ST09 did:

=========================
ST09

Home Market Performance:

Domestic DVD Sales $104,923,727

Domestic Blu-ray Sales $88,097,476

Total Domestic Video Sales $193,021,203

http://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Star-Trek-XI#tab=video-sales

STID

Home Market Performance

Domestic DVD Sales $22,883,059

Domestic Blu-ray Sales $51,970,756

Total Domestic Video Sales $74,853,815

http://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Star-Trek-2-%282012%29#tab=video-sales
=========================

When you look at the details, you will find that

US Blu-ray sales for ST09 after 19 weeks was $67,376,286

US Blu-ray sales for STID after 22 weeks was $50,775,869

Matt is correct when he says that this is “a cash grab due to lower than hoped disc sales of the STID the first time around.”

31. trekkie19 - June 23, 2014

Wow, nothing says fan appreciation like jerking us around.

32. B Kramer - June 23, 2014

“These Are the Voyages Season 2 ” excerpt ‘The Apple’:

http://www.thesearethevoyagesbooks.com/the-apple-production-diary.html

33. dswynne - June 23, 2014

I’m getting this as an early birthday present for myself, even though I don’t own a blu-ray player.

34. Alex Aslanidis - June 23, 2014

I am interested but am curious how do we have an iMax version when it’s only 1080p capable? What am I missing?

35. JRT! - June 23, 2014

GEE,so if I had just waited I wouldn’t have had to mention this in a different thread yesterday,lol! Happy it’s coming though.

J-R!

36. Matt Wright - June 23, 2014

@ 34 — It’s about the aspect ratio from the IMAX footage, obviously not the resolution. This new Into Darkness release will be like how Warner Brothers released The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Returns Blu-ray discs. When there’s IMAX footage it expands to 1.78:1 (16:9) to fill the HDTV screen instead of 2.35:1. Also because it starts with such a high resolution source, you can usually tell the IMAX footage from the regular footage, it usually looks a little bit sharper.

37. I am not Herbert - June 23, 2014

you can get away with this kind of marketing to die-hard Star Trek fans… ;-)

…but to nu-trekkers? only a Lemingsworth Bint would buy this! =D

(you SHOULD be pissed…) ;-)

38. JRT! - June 23, 2014

I never got ST ID as I was too pissed off with how they released it,so I don’t already have this. I have the ’09 movie,but don’t care that I get another copy to get the proper release of ST ID. Or,if I had the patience,I’d wait for the next movie to come out and they release some kinda megaset or whatever,lol! But I don’t,so will most likely get this while I wait.

J-R!

39. Cygnus-X1 - June 24, 2014

Sales of the BR Trek “Compendium” skyrocketed as angry fans bought them by the dozens just to burn them in disgust.

40. ironhyde - June 24, 2014

Buy the first 2 parts of a guaranteed trilogy… so … that.. ? Yeah, I’ve run out of sentence. ‘Nother slap in the face to ST fans.

41. Marja - June 24, 2014

24 Yotsuyan, I’m told I can modify my computer to accept Blu-Ray disks for “only about $60″ … that’s a goodly part of my monthly budget as a military retiree.

It’s okay, I can be patient, or I can do without. That’s $XX dollars Paramount won’t make from me and $60 Blu-Ray equipment won’t make from me.

I feel fortunate indeed that I have internet in my home at all, instead of having to Trek on down to the public library.

Don’t mean to boreass people, but please remember, not everyone is equally comfortable financially in these United States.

42. Elias Javalis - June 24, 2014

Hi Matt.

As always i enjoy your articles😄.

Respectfully, i disagree with you. Star trek into Darkness, blus and dvds have grossed 75 million dollars so far, and only in the US.

But then again, you re deeper into the franchise, i might be mistaken.

Thank you.

43. Vultan - June 24, 2014

Kind of silly calling it a “compendium” when it’s only two movies.

44. Craig - June 24, 2014

IMAX you say? Like it should have been from the beginning. Looking forward to this hitting torrent sites in the coming months. Cuz no way am I buying that Into Darkness crapfest.
First movie i’ve ever watched that I have to fast forward through select parts.

45. B Kramer - June 24, 2014

“TATW-S2″ excerpt:
“Production Diary from ‘Who Mourns for Adonais?’ ”
http://www.thesearethevoyagesbooks.com/who-mourns-adonais.html

Book review:
http://trekclivos79.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/marcs-second-term-these-are-voyages.html

More S1&2 excerpts at bottom:
http://www.thesearethevoyagesbooks.com/

LLAP

46. Jonboc - June 24, 2014

For those of you claiming this to be a “cash grab” to make up for poor sales, you clearly don’t spend much time in the DVD aisle. This is standard repackaging…especially when paired with a similar feature or sequel. There is nothing out of the ordinary here. Just another day in DVD marketing.

47. Victor Hugo - June 24, 2014

I´m appaled to hear that trekkies, supposedly tech aficcionados, don´t have blu-ray.

in fact, you just need a Playstation 3.

Trekkers like to explore “strange new worlds”, so you´re missing amazing science fiction games like “Enslaved”, “Mass Effect” and “Final Fantasy XIII”.

Come on soldiers!

48. Disinvited - June 24, 2014

#41. Marja – June 24, 2014

If you shop carefully and can change a drive yourself, a Blu play only drive can be had for $4. My problem is Blu-ray tech has so much planned obsolescence built into the hardware and software that picking a cheap drive that’ll be updatedable to still play after a few years can be problematical. For example, the player software in my pc can’t play the latest Disney Blus. Keeps saying it needs an “update” to play and I keep running the updates but no can play.

Turns out, that as I’m and avid A/V geek from way back familiar with the politics of these things, I got inspired to see what the player would make of a 3D Blu that came in a new Disney combo pack. And would you believe it? While it refuses to play the Disney standard Blu disc in the same pack, it played the Disney 3D Blu disc as a 2D movie just fine!

Since you are career military retired, what I would do if I were you is see if I could get a line on military surplus pc blu drives that their original contractor is stuck supporting for the next 25 years because it’ll take that long for some base in Slobovia to stop using them, and its updates are easily accessible.

And for the record, I haven’t had any problem playing any current Paramount Blus, yet. But I have noticed their load times seem to be creeping up

#44. Craig – June 24, 2014

You may have a point as the triple-dip for a 4k Blu IMAX edition is definitely on the horizon.

49. B Kramer - June 24, 2014

45 Thats – “TATV -S2: Theses Are the Voyages S2 excerpt”

50. Disinvited - June 24, 2014

#47. Victor Hugo – June 24, 2014

Where is the logic in recommending a PS3 purchase which is 5 times more expensive than the budgeted amount they said they had available?

51. Disinvited - June 24, 2014

#43. Vultan – June 24, 2014

According to Webster:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/compendium

1 : a brief summary of a larger work or of a field of knowledge : abstract

I think there’s more than a few that would characterize this Bad Robot’s Trek box set as “a brief summary of STAR TREK ‘and’ its field of knowledge.”

52. Victor Hugo - June 24, 2014

50. they´ll save money discovering glorious new science fiction in game format than buying and rebuying the same movies over and over.

53. Scott Gammans - June 24, 2014

Too little too late. This is what should have been released nine months ago.

But I do have one side comment to make: The Blu-ray high definition format is celebrating its eight-year anniversary this month. Blu-ray players are commodity items that can be had for 70 bucks. Stop complaining that this “special edition release” is not available on DVD. Guess what–it’s not available on VHS or Betamax, either!

There comes a point where proudly proclaiming that you don’t own a Blu-ray player (or a high-definition television) ceases to be a point of pride and just makes you look like an antediluvian bore.

54. Jeyl - June 24, 2014

4. Matt Wright – June 23, 2014 – “Don’t count on it, this is almost certainly a cash grab due to lower than hoped disc sales of the STID the first time around.”

Of course Matt. Star Trek in it’s very form is a cash grab. Everything they do and everything they release is meant to make money. However, some releases can be more cash grabs than others with movies being re-printed and re-boxed to coincide with a release of another product. What makes this particular release interesting is that there is nothing going on. It’s not being released to hype the next Star Trek movie, nor even the BluRay release of TNG that’s coming out today.

For a studio that’s in a position to say “We don’t owe you anything” when it comes to handling their releases, this new release seems to want to rectify that. After all, It’s not just the special features that were scattered across the retailers that’s being included here. There is new material and a BluRay copy of the film being presented in Imax. Having all the special features in one place was what fans wanted in the first place, and this set does a little extra. I can respect that, and I hope (not count on) that this treatment will be reflected in future releases of the older Star Trek movies.

You say “don’t count on it”, I say “Never give up, never surrender”.

55. Capt_Crash74 - June 24, 2014

It is not like everyone wasn’t expecting this release over a year ago when STID was released on homevideo….

Though it really upsets me to no end…that the ST:ID bluray release was a bare bones release initially…now its a jam packed double feature release.

People will just have to decide for themselves whether or not to succumb to temptation and pony over the money to purchase it or not.

I guess for many resistance is futile.

For me, I would rather wait until the next ST film is release, or re-released with this same package ordeal – containing all three newer films!

56. Capt_Crash74 - June 24, 2014

It is not like everyone wasn’t expecting this release over a year ago when STID was released on homevideo….

Though it really upsets me to no end…that the ST:ID bluray release was a bare bones release initially…now its a jam packed double feature release.

People will just have to decide for themselves whether or not to succumb to temptation and pony over the money to purchase it or not.

I guess for many resistance is futile.

For me, I would rather wait until the next ST film is release, or re-released with this same package ordeal – containing all three newer films!

57. Jeyl - June 24, 2014

53. Scott Gammans – June 24, 2014 – “Stop complaining that this “special edition release” is not available on DVD. Guess what–it’s not available on VHS or Betamax, either!”

This is one of the areas where Paramount is kind of doing the opposite with Star Trek. Despite BluRay being a format that should do everything DVD has done, but way better, every Star Trek movie release has taken a step back from the 2-Disc Collector’s Edition DVD sets released back in the 00s. We still don’t have the Director’s Edition of “The Motion Picture”, “The Wrath of Khan”, or even “The Undiscovered Country”.

58. Disinvited - June 24, 2014

#52. Victor Hugo – June 24, 2014

There’s a Trek game for the PS3 that makes it worth the investment? Do tell. Do tell.

59. LogicalLeopard - June 24, 2014

47. Victor Hugo – June 24, 2014
I´m appaled to hear that trekkies, supposedly tech aficcionados, don´t have blu-ray

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Why would you think that Trekkies are supposedly tech aficionados? Trekkies are by definition Trek aficionados. *LOL* But seriously, I don’t have a Blu-Ray player. Maybe I’ll pick one up this year during the Christmas sales, but as of now, I don’t have a compelling reason to buy one. Well….this collection would be a good reason to buy one, but unless I can pick up the collection for less than thirty bucks or so at Christmas, I probably wont buy that either.

53. Scott Gammans – June 24, 2014

But I do have one side comment to make: The Blu-ray high definition format is celebrating its eight-year anniversary this month. Blu-ray players are commodity items that can be had for 70 bucks. Stop complaining that this “special edition release” is not available on DVD. Guess what–it’s not available on VHS or Betamax, either!

There comes a point where proudly proclaiming that you don’t own a Blu-ray player (or a high-definition television) ceases to be a point of pride and just makes you look like an antediluvian bore.
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Well, not owning a Blu-ray player should never be a point of pride; I agree with you there. But the comparison to VHS or Betamax ignores a pretty good point in my opinion: There’s no good reason not to release it on DVD. DVD’s will eventually go the way of VHS, but I would think at present more people have DVD players than Blu Ray players. Also, unlike the VHS comparison, in which the format doesn’t allow room for more than a brief special feature, if that, there’s no reason why you can’t put the same features on a DVD. It would still fit on four discs. So, why not maximize your market and put it on both? You have people who want to buy this, but don’t want to pay over a hundred dollars (which includes the cost of the Blu-Ray player) to see it. Maybe they’ll see the light later, and buy a Blu-Ray player. Then they’ll have to buy the Compendium over, if they want the increased video quality.

60. Disinvited - June 24, 2014

#55. Jeyl – June 24, 2014

Indeed, and the only one of those 3 where they seemed to be trying to address something, but unfortunately only God knows what, was the bluing of THE WRATH OF KHAN. My guess is someone got confused about what made BLU-ray discs “better” and thought it was all about the color blue?

61. TUP - June 24, 2014

Blu Ray players are cheap enough that if you have a DVD player and are sour that you cant watch a Blu Ray, you should just go buy a Blu Ray player and stop whining.

A buddy of mine summed this up well recently when he said “I bought STID and never watched it”. We were discussing Star Wars and how even though the prequels suck, we’ve watched them a million times but the Trek movies (and we’re bigger Trek fans than Wars fans) just had nothing of substance to them. So as much as I am a sucker for the bonus documentaries, this would be double or triple dipping.

62. Victor Hugo - June 24, 2014

56. Disinvited.

At least this Trek game is something new, not a rehash, and it looks beautiful on a hgh def Tv. and the games inspired by trek, like Mass Effect really makes it worth the investment.

I also watch TOS on Netflix on the ps3 ocasionally with my wife. It´s just three clicks away.

57. hehe good one. I used to be a trekkie tech resistant myself, but once you listen that soundtrack in thunderous sound you do get spoiled.

63. Disinvited - June 24, 2014

#57. LogicalLeopard – June 24, 2014

You make a good point, Trek aficionados are all about the 23rd century tech. Reading spinning discs whose only concession to the 21st century is upgrading the wavelength to blue is so 20th century.

Heck, I even recall the television series, THE PLANET OF THE APES, had future San Francisco using discs half the physical size of Blu-ray playing 3D.

Proselytizing antediluvian Blu-ray as an anti-Luddite badge when we know the future is colored squares is amusing.

64. Finnigan - June 24, 2014

Even with all the bells and whistles of a special DVD set, STID remains a poorly written and poorly directed movie. Why would I spend more money on it?

65. The Chad - June 24, 2014

I’d rather throw my money toward the season 6 Next Gen Bluray. In other words, on GOOD Trek.

66. Matt Wright - June 24, 2014

@ 63 – LOL, of course if you’re referring to those colored squares they use in TOS, they called those “tapes” which would be a step backward.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Memory_Tape

67. LogicalLeopard - June 24, 2014

61. TUP – June 24, 2014
Blu Ray players are cheap enough that if you have a DVD player and are sour that you cant watch a Blu Ray, you should just go buy a Blu Ray player and stop whining.
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Cheap enough for the average person to afford, but not cheap enough that you’re essentially willing to spend over a hundred dollars for ONE movie release. Right now, I feel the same way about Blu-rays as I did about DVD’s when they first came out. I don’t care to spend 70-100 bucks on something for increased video quality, when I’m happy with the video quality I already have. I can still watch any movie I want on DVD, so until it gets phased out, or I start missing out on a LOT of special features I want to see, I’ll still feel the same way, basically. I think a lot of people feel that way. 70 bucks is money that can be spent on entertainment elsewhere. If you were to ask me which would I like more, a Blu-ray player or two tickets off Stubhub to a baseball game, I’d take the tickets. A Blu-ray player or two months of high speed internet, I’ll take the internet. Etc. Many people are confronted with these choices every day, and choose otherwise. The complaint comes in about not having a Blu-ray because there’s no reason to not put the same features on DVD’s. Its not a storage issue, the only issue is the quality.
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A buddy of mine summed this up well recently when he said “I bought STID and never watched it”. We were discussing Star Wars and how even though the prequels suck, we’ve watched them a million times but the Trek movies (and we’re bigger Trek fans than Wars fans) just had nothing of substance to them. So as much as I am a sucker for the bonus documentaries, this would be double or triple dipping.
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Wow….I don’t know how you can think the Eps I-III are better than ST09 and STID. I suppose it’s a matter of opinion. I loved both ST09 and STID when they first came out in the theatres. Didn’t really love any of the Wars prequels when they were in the prequels, and I’m not sure how many times I’ve rewatched them. Both have an emotional depth that is just plain absent from the SW prequels. *shrugs* To each his own…

68. LogicalLeopard - June 24, 2014

#57. LogicalLeopard – June 24, 2014

You make a good point, Trek aficionados are all about the 23rd century tech. Reading spinning discs whose only concession to the 21st century is upgrading the wavelength to blue is so 20th century.

Heck, I even recall the television series, THE PLANET OF THE APES, had future San Francisco using discs half the physical size of Blu-ray playing 3D.

Proselytizing antediluvian Blu-ray as an anti-Luddite badge when we know the future is colored squares is amusing.

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*L* Funny, but really Star Trek fans don’t have to be about 23rd century tech either. You can enjoy the stories and storylines without having a massive interest in the technology. For example, I love books about the Age of Sail – Horatio Hornblower, the Aubrey/Maturin series (Master and Commander), Nathaniel Drinkwater, etc. However, the mechanics of sail continue to confound me. I get the basics of how the ships operate, but I can’t really tell the difference between a halyard, a brace, etc. So when the characters shout things like “Loose the forecourses and sheet home! Lively there with those halliards, now! Mind the braces, so they don’t seize in the clews!” it’s basically the equivalent of “Barclay, I need you to align the resonance on the antimatter injector to exactly 1.47 degrees, so that the warp field stays stable as we pass through all of this tachyon interference.” Technobabble. You only have a general idea of what’s going on, but that’s all you need to enjoy the story on a fundamental level.

69. LizardGirl - June 24, 2014

Psh, I knew they’d do this. That’s why I didn’t but STID in the first place! I’m on to you Paramount/BR!

70. Cygnus-X1 - June 24, 2014

Off-topic, but worth a mention…

Vanguard Financial Advisers’ latest blog article is entitled:

Invest like a Vulcan

“…Vulcans were devoted to discipline, too. Some of them chose to complete Kolinahr training, in which they demonstrated that they had purged themselves of emotions. Kolinahr also enabled them to continue to keep feelings at bay and live by logic alone.

Advisors are like Kolinahr masters. They set clients on the path to disciplined investing by asking the right questions to identify goals and then developing diversified, low-cost portfolios to achieve them. Then, during those inevitable market downturns, advisors help clients resist the panicky urge to sell. When markets rise, advisors may help clients do the hard work of selling some of their winners and reinvesting in some of the lower-performing assets to restore the original balance…”

http://vanguardadvisorsblog.com/2014/06/23/invest-like-a-vulcan/

71. Cygnus-X1 - June 24, 2014

63. Disinvited – June 24, 2014
66. Matt Wright – June 24, 2014

The future might well be colored blocks—er—”tapes.”

Sony’s new magnetic tape technology enables 185 TB cartridges

“At the INTERMAG Europe 2014 international magnetics conference in Dresden, Sony announced a new breakthrough in magnetic tape technology that keeps the medium relevant by allowing a tape cartridge to carry 74 times the data of a conventional data tape, or the equivalent of 3,700 Blu-ray discs.”

Enjoy those blu-rays while they last, folks. ;-)

http://www.gizmag.com/sony-185-tb-magnetic-tape-storage/31910/

72. TUP - June 24, 2014

@67 – If Blu Ray Players arent cheap enough for you to buy one for “one” release, then you dont really want it. Personally, I was blown away the day I brought my big screen TV and BD Player home. I know some people dont see the difference as much as others but even if BD Players werent able to play DVD’s I would still have done it. The fact they do and make the DVDs look better seals the deal.

As for Star Wars, believe me, the Prequels sucked. And maybe when enough time passes, Ill watch Trek more but I find Wars far more re-watchable maybe because even though they sucked, there was still a story to follow. A crappy boring story but a story nontheless. When I watch Trek, I cant get into them enough to ignore how annoyed/angry/disappointed I am at how much Bad Robot dropped the ball.

Im all for appreciating the movie making but the story telling of Trek was so bad it was as though the writers/directors had never even heard of Star Trek. I find it increasingly perplexing how these so-called Trek fans in the writers room werent objecting to many things written or filmed. And the trend to shoe-horn slapstick humour into a movie wherethe humour was always born organically is also glaring.

If Nimoy hadnt been in Star Trek, it might have been a complete waste. STID was actually so bad (minus the visuals) that it actually makes Star Trek worse because it didnt fix any of the issues.

In that respect, the six Star Wars films watched together are far more watchable. The six TOS movies are far more watchable. I own them all but if flipping through channels, I see a TOS movie, I usually end up watching it. I’ve seen both Trek movies on repeatedly and didnt even stop for a moment. All Steak, no sizzle. All hat, no cattle. Simply, no heart.

73. Phil - June 24, 2014

@30. You’ve trotted those numbers out before, and they are still inaccurate. You’ll get no argument from me that STID’s aftermarket sales were lower then Trek 09, but to keep using sales figures that don’t reflect comparable time frames is misleading to those who might think you are making a legitimate comparison, and no surprise to those of us who understand you’ll twist any and every figure to reflect your dislike for everything Bad Robot Trek…

74. Ahmed - June 24, 2014

@ 73. Phil – June 24, 2014

“but to keep using sales figures that don’t reflect comparable time frames is misleading to those who might think you are making a legitimate comparison, and no surprise to those of us who understand you’ll twist any and every figure to reflect your dislike for everything Bad Robot Trek…”

I provided comparable time frames when I compared the Blu-ray sales after 19/22 weeks of release.

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US Blu-ray sales for ST09 after 19 weeks was $67,376,286

US Blu-ray sales for STID after 22 weeks was $50,775,869
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If you have more “accurate” numbers, then please provided us with a link.

“and no surprise to those of us who understand you’ll twist any and every figure to reflect your dislike for everything Bad Robot Trek…”

I don’t dislike BR Trek, I hate BR Trek, I’m a HATER, remember :-)

75. Ahmed - June 24, 2014

@ 39. Cygnus-X1 – June 24, 2014

“Sales of the BR Trek “Compendium” skyrocketed as angry fans bought them by the dozens just to burn them in disgust.”

LOL

76. Ahmed - June 24, 2014

@73. Phil

btw, you claim that these numbers are “inaccurate”, yet they are coming from the-numbers.com, the box office data site that is used by entertainment as well as Trek sites like Trekcore to check on DVD/Blu ray sales figures.

I’d be more than happy if you provide me with another sales data site to check these numbers.

77. LogicalLeopard - June 24, 2014

72. TUP – June 24, 2014
@67 – If Blu Ray Players arent cheap enough for you to buy one for “one” release, then you dont really want it. Personally, I was blown away the day I brought my big screen TV and BD Player home. I know some people dont see the difference as much as others but even if BD Players werent able to play DVD’s I would still have done it. The fact they do and make the DVDs look better seals the deal.

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Well, yes and no. I actually would be interested in seeing the footage, and buying it at the right price. I didn’t buy STID, but I did buy ST09. But if this movie is say, I dunno, $40.00, and a Blu Ray player is $80.00, then, no, I don’t want to buy this collection for $120.00. But like I said, that’s beside the point. The main objection is that why not release it on DVD, so you have a wider audience? There’s no obstruction to putting the same material on DVD, is there? Why miss out on additional dollars?

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As for Star Wars, believe me, the Prequels sucked. And maybe when enough time passes, Ill watch Trek more but I find Wars far more re-watchable maybe because even though they sucked, there was still a story to follow. A crappy boring story but a story nontheless. When I watch Trek, I cant get into them enough to ignore how annoyed/angry/disappointed I am at how much Bad Robot dropped the ball.

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I’ve got to say that the SW Prequel stories pale in comparison to the engaging story of Kirk’s development in the new movies. And the performances rope you in emotionally to the story, which cannot be said about the SWP’s in my opinion. I was expecting big things with actors like Liam Neeson, Ewan McGreggor, Natalie Portman, Samuel L Jackson, ad nauseum, all actors who have proven they could deliver. And it fell flat. I think you actually sympathize with Kirk having bloody tissues hanging out of his nostrils, playing with his dead father’s ship. I don’t think I ever even really sympathized with Anakin Skywalker when he was a kid (even though it was a good performance by Jake Lloyd). By the time Hayden Christiansen steps in, he’s just flat out annoying. I thought Luke was annoying when I watched Star Wars, but there was clear development with him and he grew on you enough to root for.

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Im all for appreciating the movie making but the story telling of Trek was so bad it was as though the writers/directors had never even heard of Star Trek. I find it increasingly perplexing how these so-called Trek fans in the writers room werent objecting to many things written or filmed. And the trend to shoe-horn slapstick humour into a movie wherethe humour was always born organically is also glaring.
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I don’t know how you believe the storytelling was bad. Other than a few illogical omissions for the sake of drama (Earth has no defenses whatsoever?) and maybe a gaffe here and there (The Federation is a peacekeeping force?) the story was pretty good and engaging. And the slapstick humor is what it is. TOS usually had a little witty remark at the end, accompanied by a musical flourish. Humor is something that either appeals to you or it doesn’t. My favorite comedic line is “You want me to hold him, Jim?” during the brig scene in STV. Not funny at all was Chekov’s hunt for the foot in the glass slipper during STVI. Utterly abhorrent was Picard’s mambo and Troi’s observation on the firmness of her chest in Insurrection. Drunk Troi wasn’t all that funny either, now that I think about it. *shrugs* To each his own. I thought “NUMBTOUNGUE??!?!?” and “OW, SHTOP IT” was funny. *LOL*
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If Nimoy hadnt been in Star Trek, it might have been a complete waste. STID was actually so bad (minus the visuals) that it actually makes Star Trek worse because it didnt fix any of the issues.

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Well, they fixed or addressed a few issues from the first movie. Addressed the issue of Jim’s quick promotion by providing a bit of fallout. Fixed Engineering, which a lot of people complained about.
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In that respect, the six Star Wars films watched together are far more watchable. The six TOS movies are far more watchable. I own them all but if flipping through channels, I see a TOS movie, I usually end up watching it. I’ve seen both Trek movies on repeatedly and didnt even stop for a moment. All Steak, no sizzle. All hat, no cattle. Simply, no heart.

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Eh…I’d say the THREE SW films are very watchable. The TOS six are watchable probably because that’s what I grew up with, and I’ll always love them, no matter what faults they have. But right now, if you lined up all the Star Wars movies, the TOS movies, and the last two Trek films, and told me to watch two, I’d probably pick….hmmmnnn….STV and STID *LOL*

78. Phil - June 24, 2014

@76. I know where they are coming from, and I also know how to read. You are cherry picking the information to make misleading factual statements, the very least you could do is use current information.

I know that aftermarket sales for STID are less then Trek 09, and state as much. For me, it’s not that big a deal, understanding that the merchandisers undertook a strategy that angered and alienated a good portion of their market. Sorry, but you are the one who’s trying to mislead, so do your own homework – as long as you continue to pump out bulls**t, the extent of my responsibility is to point out where the stink is.

79. I am not Herbert - June 24, 2014

I also highly recommend the PlayStation 3 =) Broadband is a MUST.

Surround-Sound is a MUST. (I got a Logitech THX system made for PCs)

I still buy DVDs (mostly used) and the occasional Blu-ray (TOS S1-3)

I get most of my Blu-ray enjoyment through Netflix (also stream HD) =)

STREAMING is the future… ;-)

80. I am not Herbert - June 24, 2014

…last PC i built, I put a Blu-ray drive/burner that was actually pretty darn inexpensive…

81. star trackie - June 24, 2014

Streaming would be a good future if the internet providers didn’t throttle your bandwidth. As the push is on to stream more and more HD content, and more and more people head to the web for their movies and TV, bandwidth is going to be a precious commodity and will only get more expensive. And if you have ever had your movie suddenly “throttled” by your provider, reducing the quality to crap, it’s no fun! Streaming or not, always have a bluray hardcopy of your favs, that’s my motto.

82. I am not Herbert - June 24, 2014

star trackie: FULL AGREEMENT

Yes, i definitely need to have copies of my favorites too! ;-)

This is why we have to fight for Net-Neutrality! :

http://www.savetheinternet.com/net-neutrality-what-you-need-know-now

83. Ahmed - June 24, 2014

@ 78. Phil – June 24, 2014

“Sorry, but you are the one who’s trying to mislead, so do your own homework – as long as you continue to pump out bulls**t, the extent of my responsibility is to point out where the stink is.”

Hey moron, you failed to show me any other data site that contradicts the-numbers.com figures. So, if you have actual data, show me or shut the f**k up.

Now go back to your stinky BR echo chamber.

84. Dave R - June 24, 2014

STID was a better movie than then most Hard Core Trekies deserved. You can whine all you want about how its flash over substance but that is the state of big movies now a days – not just Star Trek but all big movies.

Paramount did not make this movie for 40+ year old Fan boys, they made it for the masses – and they loved it, highest total grossing Star Trek ever.

It’s too bad that the Spock/Kirk story arcs, which were quite fantastic, totally went over the heads of angry fan boys. They were too obsessed with the plot point of ‘Kahn’ being in the film to see how the writers took something familiar and turned it 180. As a result they made it fresh and even more poignant than the events in STII.

…here come the darts…

85. Ahmed - June 24, 2014

@84. Dave R

Are you related to Dave H by any chance ? :-)

86. JRT! - June 24, 2014

I don’t know any Trekkies who are tech aficionados,but I know plenty of Trekkers who are though,LOL! I’m just a casual Trekker,so not very tech savvy.

I’m actually looking forward to this release,I enjoyed both movies,plain and simple. Some people did,some people didn’t. Can’t please EVERYONE,and Trek fans aren’t the easiest fans to please to begin with,lol!

J-R!

87. Victor Hugo - June 24, 2014

79. I am not Herbert.

Thank you! Indeed, the “Playstation 3″ is an amazing asset for science fiction fans.

Not to mention that a high def TV with a “Enterprise” wallpaper on the living room looks real nifty :)

88. TUP - June 24, 2014

@ Logical Opinions will always be just that but there were so many glaring issues with the films. I actually intend to sit down one of these days and point form everything, there is so many.

I dont find Kirk’s arc emotional all because he’s not James Kirk. He’s named James Kirk but he’s not the Kirk we know. And before you point out “thats the point”, the fact “thats the point” is the root of whats wrong with these Trek movies.

No one wants to see *different* characters with the same names and vaguely familar personalities. We wanted to see the characters we grew up on and loved. What we really wanted was a 35 year old William Shatner and Nimoy etc but barring that, we wanted those characters. Lapsed fans were drawn back by the promise of the Kirk and Spock they grew up on. And Im convinced Nimoy was a bigger draw than people think and his lack of known involvement in STID didnt help.

Kirk, with tissue hanging out of his nose shaking a salt shaker was…okay as far as an emotional scene. But it doesnt make me forget the strangeness that all these cadets are hanging out in a bar in the middle of Iowa. Kirk is called “townie” implying that the area is frequented by starfleet personal for some unknown reason. The town is close to the Enterprise ship yards that Kirk can see it. Why? And yet all these cadets or soon to be cadets assemble in this small Iowa town and then fly off to San Francisco. Just weird. Smacks too much of “well, Kirk grew up in Iowa so we have to have this scene take place there”.

Not to mention the sterotype of the boy who grows up without a father but under the thumb of a potentially abusive step father so he’s a rebel without a cause…but wait, he’s also a genius and all it takes is one brief speech by Pike to change his whole life. And thank goodness Pike walked into that bar that night, just in the nick of time since the shuttle was leaving the next morning. So contrived. And what of his mother?? What a heroic figure she was…

We’ve got some cadets in uniform and some in street clothes. Why? Some are already enlisted? Then why are they in smalltown Iowa taking the shuttle?

The best character is Bones and even he gets a very cursory explanation of his back story. I can just see the writers patting themselves on the back for that one without anyone asking …wait, he hates space flight, but because he went through a bad divorce he enlisted in Starfleet? Dont tell me its because he wants off earth. Starfleet means four years on Earth. There was no off-earth civilian program he could have joined? Maybe on the Moon?

Why does Chekov even exist?

If Kirk’s father hadn’t been on the kelvin, inspiring Pike to write a thesis who then inspired James Kirk, who read the thesis and had the moment of clarity on the Enterprise, they’d all be dead and Earth too. Is that destiny or just weak writing? You’ve got a terribly out of place slap stick scene of Kirk figuring out the entire thing. Good thing he’s there. Too bad PIKE who wrote the damn thesis didnt make the connection. good think Vulcan and Earth are so close.

Good thing Spock decides to effectively commit attempted homicide on Kirk by blasting him off the ship. Good think Spock Prime is there. Good thing that planet is close enough to Vulcan to see it. Good thing Scotty is also there. Good thing he’s able to rig the transporter with the limited supplies on hand to save the day. Good thing Spock QUITS when challenged by Kirk. Good thing Starfleet then advances Cadet Kirk beyond Commander Spock and makes him Captain of the Enterprise.

Like come on. Lets not even get into the fact you had to read comics to even understad what the heck was happening with Nero and Spock. Oh wait, they explained everything during the mind meld scene. That was as close as you could get to the film stopping and Bob orci appearing on screen to explain everything so you could understand the contrived, convoluted plot.

I could go on and on.

89. I am not Herbert - June 24, 2014

yes, i started w/ hi-def big-screen… Samsung that burnt-out RIGHT OVER warranty =( …but then got another bigger more efficient Samsung that is good so far… except for a narrow darkened strip in one edge… no biggie…

I started before the economy took a dump… couldn’t do it now…

…but home theater was a good investment! ;-)

youtube on the PS3/home theater is pretty SWEET too! =)

90. NuFan - June 24, 2014

I get my movies from iTunes. You know, iTunes. Outsells bluray 2 to 1. Is this going to be on iTunes?

Also, I can’t tell if there is anything new for Star Trek 1. Does only Star Trek 2 have new features?

91. Ahmed - June 24, 2014

@88. TUP

“Like come on. Lets not even get into the fact you had to read comics to even understad what the heck was happening with Nero and Spock. Oh wait, they explained everything during the mind meld scene. That was as close as you could get to the film stopping and Bob orci appearing on screen to explain everything so you could understand the contrived, convoluted plot.”

If you look at the IMDB pages for the BR writing team O/K, you will see these gems, not including the two Trek movies:

The Island
The Legend of Zorro
Mission: Impossible III
Transformers
Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen
Cowboys & Aliens
People Like Us
The Amazing Spider-Man 2

I didn’t watch “People Like Us”, so can’t say anything about it. As for the other movies, the only good one on that list IMO is “Mission: Impossible III”, the rest are your typical summer movies that you watch just once & then completely forget it after leaving the movie theater.

They are fans & all that, but man, they write $hitty movies.

92. LogicalLeopard - June 24, 2014

@ Logical Opinions will always be just that but there were so many glaring issues with the films. I actually intend to sit down one of these days and point form everything, there is so many.

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Yes, I try to stress that these are just opinions. What works for some people doesn’t work for others.

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I dont find Kirk’s arc emotional all because he’s not James Kirk. He’s named James Kirk but he’s not the Kirk we know. And before you point out “thats the point”, the fact “thats the point” is the root of whats wrong with these Trek movies.

No one wants to see *different* characters with the same names and vaguely familar personalities. We wanted to see the characters we grew up on and loved. What we really wanted was a 35 year old William Shatner and Nimoy etc but barring that, we wanted those characters. Lapsed fans were drawn back by the promise of the Kirk and Spock they grew up on. And Im convinced Nimoy was a bigger draw than people think and his lack of known involvement in STID didnt help.
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Well, but the problem is that right there you’re asking for more than you can ever get. Unless computer animation exceeds to the point where someone can afford to produce an animated series with the likenesses of the original characters, you’re not going to see the likes of TOS again. Even if you found actors that looked remarkably similar, and could do impressions, it still wouldn’t feel the same. You can’t go home again in the theatre. The best option for that is to read the books or comics.

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Kirk, with tissue hanging out of his nose shaking a salt shaker was…okay as far as an emotional scene. But it doesnt make me forget the strangeness that all these cadets are hanging out in a bar in the middle of Iowa. Kirk is called “townie” implying that the area is frequented by starfleet personal for some unknown reason. The town is close to the Enterprise ship yards that Kirk can see it. Why? And yet all these cadets or soon to be cadets assemble in this small Iowa town and then fly off to San Francisco. Just weird. Smacks too much of “well, Kirk grew up in Iowa so we have to have this scene take place there”.
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Well, there was a shipyard in Riverside, Iowa (in this universe). Why were the cadets there? Well, I’m thinking that either there were other Starfleet training facilities there or Pike took them on a tour/training to learn about the new ship/ship class that many of them may be stationed on. Maybe it was for advanced cadets. Uhura was a top cadet, and Cupcake was apparently a top cadet, because he got assigned to the Enterprise. After the assignment is over, they go back to SanFran for the rest of their training. Its been established that Starfleet Cadets get trained in various parts of Earth/the solar system. You might do survival training in the Australian Outback, piloting near Jupiter, etc. But the main training facility is in San Francisco. Is it contrived, along the lines of “well, Kirk grew up in Iowa so we have to have this scene take place there”? Maybe a little, but aren’t all things contrived to some degree? As a writer, I would imagine that you have certain scenes and ideas in mind, and you have to figure out how to integrate them into a coherent story, especially when you have more than one writer. *shrugs* Sometimes things look obviously contrived, but I didn’t really think so. We don’t know whether or not there is a shipyard in Riverside in the Prime timeline, but actually, it makes sense since it would explain why Kirk was born in the middle of nowhere away from Starfleet. Even if one of the Kirks were born in Riverside, they could have had the baby in San Francisco or some other location near a base.

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Not to mention the sterotype of the boy who grows up without a father but under the thumb of a potentially abusive step father so he’s a rebel without a cause…but wait, he’s also a genius and all it takes is one brief speech by Pike to change his whole life. And thank goodness Pike walked into that bar that night, just in the nick of time since the shuttle was leaving the next morning. So contrived. And what of his mother?? What a heroic figure she was…
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I wouldn’t say that’s a stereotype. It happens all the time, you have a military kid that feels neglected by his parent, gets into trouble. You gotta admit…..Pike’s speech was a heck of a speech. *LOL* That resonates with me still. In fact, Star Trek 09 is the ONE Trek movie I can recall ever showing to a friend because of the message. And it helped the friend out a lot. So Pike walks into the bar before the shuttle leaves? That’s why they were IN the bar in the first place, I figured. *L* Work is done, time to relax, we’re leaving tomorrow. I remember being in training for a position in a rural area, and that’s what a lot of people did. Well…uh….actually, they did it about every day, but that’s beside the point *L* And his mother is neither heroic or nonheroic, she’s a military mom just like many we have today.
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We’ve got some cadets in uniform and some in street clothes. Why? Some are already enlisted? Then why are they in smalltown Iowa taking the shuttle?

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Didn’t notice any cadets in street clothes. I’ll have to take another look.

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The best character is Bones and even he gets a very cursory explanation of his back story. I can just see the writers patting themselves on the back for that one without anyone asking …wait, he hates space flight, but because he went through a bad divorce he enlisted in Starfleet? Dont tell me its because he wants off earth. Starfleet means four years on Earth. There was no off-earth civilian program he could have joined? Maybe on the Moon?
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*LOL* Yeah, that is kind of bad now that you think of it. I think many of us, including myself, were so caught up in the performance we never really through about why he was joining Starfleet. Or, for that matter, what was he doing in IOWA?!! *LOL* He could have taken a flight to Starfleet Academy from anywhere. Good point!

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Why does Chekov even exist?
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Because he’s adorable, and gets the ladies swooning. That’s the answer to “why ANY Chekov, even Chekov Prime.” You know, he’s really the weakest character of them all, I suppose…..well….there’s not much more to Sulu either. And there’d be not much to Uhura if these movies didn’t dress her up a bit.

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If Kirk’s father hadn’t been on the kelvin, inspiring Pike to write a thesis who then inspired James Kirk, who read the thesis and had the moment of clarity on the Enterprise, they’d all be dead and Earth too. Is that destiny or just weak writing? You’ve got a terribly out of place slap stick scene of Kirk figuring out the entire thing. Good thing he’s there. Too bad PIKE who wrote the damn thesis didnt make the connection. good think Vulcan and Earth are so close.
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Destiny. I don’t really see a problem with that, but I cant recall the moment of clarity on the Enterprise you’re talking about. The lightning storm? I don’t know if that came from the thesis or it came from what Kirk already knew about the incident. As for Pike not making the connection, Pike has seen MANY phenomenon, being a Captain. And the connection is more personal to Kirk than Pike. We’ve talked about the slapstick before, I kind of liked it to break up the tension, but it’s a personal opinion.

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Good thing Spock decides to effectively commit attempted homicide on Kirk by blasting him off the ship. Good think Spock Prime is there. Good thing that planet is close enough to Vulcan to see it. Good thing Scotty is also there. Good thing he’s able to rig the transporter with the limited supplies on hand to save the day. Good thing Spock QUITS when challenged by Kirk. Good thing Starfleet then advances Cadet Kirk beyond Commander Spock and makes him Captain of the Enterprise.

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Not homicide. There was a Starfleet outpost there. Kirk was told to remain in the pod until recovered. He didn’t. The point about how it all came together is explained in the destiny arc, which may not be preferable to some, but I kind of liked it. I kind of also liked how mature Spock is much more willing to accept those things than TOS Spock. And as far as seeing the planet from Vulcan…..I’m still caught up on that one….I always assumed it was how he saw it in his mind. I may have been overruled by the writers at one point, I forget if they explained that.

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Like come on. Lets not even get into the fact you had to read comics to even understad what the heck was happening with Nero and Spock. Oh wait, they explained everything during the mind meld scene. That was as close as you could get to the film stopping and Bob orci appearing on screen to explain everything so you could understand the contrived, convoluted plot.

I could go on and on.

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In movies, television, and books, sometimes you have to “info-dump” *shrugs* I think a mindmeld was as subtle an info dump as you’re going to get. And I don’t think the comics were necessary to explain things. I actually didn’t like the way the comic explained it.

93. Keachick (Rose) - June 24, 2014

#21, #53, #67, #72

I do not own a blu-ray player either and what bothers me is that when I do manage to get one, it has been deliberately designed to be obsolescent within a period of time. It seems that these fancy bits of tech constantly need replacing and it is not cheap, especially when the income is low and the kids need new shoes, school uniforms, fees for stationery, transport etc. The bills for basics like power and water do not pay for themselves. It is more a question of priorities and not about – “proudly proclaiming that you don’t own a Blu-ray player (or a high-definition television) ceases to be a point of pride and just makes you look like an antediluvian bore.” post #53.

Maybe some might “proudly claim” that they are still able to use ‘old tech’ like my son watching his $20 perfectly functional analogue TV set to watch video tapes and DVDs on… then again some might equally claim that deliberately making tech obsolescent is unscrupulous and wasteful, like the earth’s environment is barely breathing in some places because of the level of (dangerous) manmade wastes.

Around my way, television, DVD… players, discs, tapes are regarded as luxury items. We, here, have been fortunate to have had help with such provisions, but blu-ray players and accompanying discs have not made it here yet. However, as others have pointed out correctly, these extras can be put on ordinary DVDs just as easily as they are put on blu-ray discs, and it is bad/ridiculous that the consumer does not have the option of buying either tech.

One day, a blu-ray player may make it into my home and if that happens, one of the first purchases, I think, will be this “Compendium”. Until then, I am quite happy with my DVD copies of Star Trek and Star Trek Into Darkness.

94. Invinted - June 24, 2014

@ 84. Dave R – June 24, 2014

STID was a better movie than then most Hard Core Trekies deserved. You can whine all you want about how its flash over substance but that is the state of big movies now a days – not just Star Trek but all big movies.

Paramount did not make this movie for 40+ year old Fan boys, they made it for the masses – and they loved it, highest total grossing Star Trek ever.

It’s too bad that the Spock/Kirk story arcs, which were quite fantastic, totally went over the heads of angry fan boys. They were too obsessed with the plot point of ‘Kahn’ being in the film to see how the writers took something familiar and turned it 180. As a result they made it fresh and even more poignant than the events in STII.

…here come the darts…
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the writers are fanboys as well and they went overboard with the story. why the hell did Spock have to do a William Shatner and scream KHANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN in the film.

My gosh, it was cringe worthy, parodic and laughable. it gets worse when it comes from a vulcan and quinto who does not have that much of a bass voice like shatner.

STID should have been original. it was not fresh. it was the same thing we had already seen in wrath of khan just wrapped in a clean paper.

X-Men Days of future past is how you make a sequel to a great original film. the xmen dofp is about to gross 700 million worldwide,most people said it was impossible for the series but fox gave us a great sequel and the film flew high. paramount can learn from fox on how to do a sequel. STID was a good film but it was forgettable.

95. Trekbilly - June 24, 2014

All I want for the 50th Anniversary on DVD is Star Trek: The Motion Picture Director’s Cut remastered for Blu Ray — along with some new extras like the Memory Wall and V’Ger trench footage! I’d like an Ultimate Edition ST:TMP set. THAT would make me one happy happy fan!!

96. Trekbilly - June 24, 2014

As for ST:2009 and Into Darkness on Blu Ray — I already have them. I’m not buying them again.

97. Keachick (Rose) - June 24, 2014

Ahmed – “Hey moron, you failed to show me any other data site that contradicts the-numbers.com figures. So, if you have actual data, show me or shut the f**k up.
Now go back to your stinky BR echo chamber.”

Phil referred to some of the stats as being bs, not the person providing such stats. Ahmed – you are being very rude and have made it personal with your labeling and swearing. You have no business telling anyone to “shut the f**k up”.

Moderator?!

I am not sure where my other post is…

98. Ahmed - June 24, 2014

@95. Keachick (Rose)

“Ahmed – you are being very rude and have made it personal with your labeling and swearing. You have no business telling anyone to “shut the f**k up”.”

You fancy yourself as a headmistress or what ?

99. Keachick (Rose) - June 24, 2014

#88 – “the fact you had to read comics to even understand what the heck was happening with Nero and Spock.”

Well, here is another fact. I have NEVER read those comics, but I understood what was happening with Nero and both Spocks. All I did was watch the movie. I am aware of others who report the same experience as mine.

The movies are comprehensible without having to read any (explanatory) comic associated with the events depicted in the movies.

I do not have access to any of the latest Star Trek comics which deal with the alternate universe, except maybe through Amazon.com, which means I have to import anything I might want, if indeed, they are even available. The cost can be prohibitive. Then again, I have not seen much need as I suspect I would be paying heaps just to have my own explanation of what takes place in these movies confirmed.

TUP – your post #88 seems to me as if you have to be trolling us here, as your understanding and interpretation of the films is just so shallow and simplistic. I honestly think my 12 year old daughter would have a better grasp…seriously, what’s going on here?

100. Keachick (Rose) - June 24, 2014

Ahmed – Don’t push it!

101. Cygnus-X1 - June 24, 2014

Rose, you won’t believe what Chris Pine said just yesterday about social media and the people who use it regularly.

102. Ahmed - June 24, 2014

@ 97. Keachick (Rose) – June 24, 2014

“Ahmed – Don’t push it!”

I can’t, I must keep pushing it EVERY 108 minutes for the sake of everyone in the world ;)

103. THX-1138 - June 24, 2014

Nope, not going to buy it. Add me to the list of people that don’t want another copy of 09 Trek just to get STID with the proper extras. And I don’t want to jump through hoops to get a rebate. I’ll just wait another year and then Parsmount will release the stand alone STID bluray. Like they should have done to begin with.

What a botch-job this movies’s home release has been.

104. Hat Rick - June 24, 2014

One of the many things I like about Trek fans is that they are ready to question some otherwise sacred assumptions. One such assumption is that what is good for the bottom line, is what is good for Trek.

In a financially bound world, the ideals of Trek aren’t going to work very well. That is, the merits of an individual aren’t going to account for anything close to what the marketplace pays for the work that individual contributes. This is the reality of the 21st Century economy.

I find that when I’m looking at the Trek movies of late, I’m no longer a Trek idealist as much as I’m a Trek financialist. In other words, I take off my Trekfan hat, and put on my realist hat. I am willing to put up with a certain amount of crass commercialism in order to assure that Trek stays in production.

I admit that there is a cognitive dissonance to this. I admit that I sometimes have to force myself to like certain aspects of this. I admit that if I were to academically analyze the Trek movies with which we are faced, I would face a challenge to defend some facets that appear against the charge that they are not really what we’re looking for in a Trek enterprise.

The world in which we live is full of compromises. I genuinely like the Abrams reformulation of Trek, but this might be because we are faced only with the Abrams formula these days rather than something else that is better.

There. I said it.

We live in the world as we find it, rather than the world in which we wish it to be. The difference between so-called “realists” and idealists isn’t that idealists believe we live in a fantasy world; that’s the straw man characterization that realists want the world to believe of people who believe in the future. The difference, rather, is that “realists” are more than content to leave the world as it is, because they are comfortable with it as it stands. Idealists see the world as it is, and — as JFK might have said — ask, “Why not?” “Why not something better?”

I’m a big supporter of the Abrams version of Trek. But this might be because there isn’t anything else out there that is as promising from a commercial standpoint. I will admit that (as well as saying that the movies are, indeed, not badly made from a mass entertainment point of view).

Trek is many things to many people. But if we have no commercially viable form of Trek, there will be fewer and fewer people to whom it may be.

105. TonyD - June 24, 2014

The only way I would have bought this would have been if the Imax version of STID was also presented in 3D. I also would not have minded a good 3D conversion of ST 2009.

But as it stands, it just doesn’t warrant a double dip for me either.

BTW, where are the BluRay versions of the Director’s Cuts of ST:TMP and ST:TWOK. I know the added TMP effects would need to be remastered but I can’t believe it would be such a gargantuan endeavor given today’s technology.

106. TonyD - June 24, 2014

BTW, for people complaining about no DVD release and the high cost of BluRay players, a quick perusal of BestBuy.com lists refurbished name brand players for as little as $25.00; new models start at $60.00. They’re even cheaper on amazon.com

107. Dr. Cheis - June 24, 2014

Well I’m glad we’re getting the IMAX version and the extra features…

I’m not sure why I have to re-buy the first movie to get it. Or why the first movie doesn’t come with the IMAX version. Sounds like this is less terrible than the original release but still not a great move.

108. Spock's Bangs - June 24, 2014

#91. “They are fans & all that, but man, they write $hitty movies.”

You’re such an inept dolt. LoL. At the end of the day, they still have more money under their sofa cushions than you would ever hope to make in two lifetimes!

FACT!!

109. Ahmed - June 24, 2014

@108. Spock’s Bangs

Did you escape from your babysitter just to write that moronic comment ?

110. Theatre Historian - June 24, 2014

I will be getting this release day, even though its horrible that the IMAX version doesnt include a 3D Option.
Seeing how that the only way to see it in IMAX in theatres was in 3D.
But oh well.

111. TheShadowKnows - June 24, 2014

If anyone really believes that Paramount never intended to double dip and eventually release a Blu ray collection with all of the features that were scattered across multiple editions (plus new bonus features!) then they really should have known better. How many popular sci fi and fantasy films have resulted in re-issues that were either remastered, extended or contained previously unreleased content?

Sorry, Bill Hunt. This had nothing to do with you or disgruntled fans. After decades of re-issues of Star Trek series and movies in every format conceivable (and multiple releases in the same format) there’s no doubt that this was Paramount’s plan along.

112. Vultan - June 24, 2014

#109

Apparently, Ferengis are real!

;-)

113. Buzz Cagney - June 24, 2014

#103 in all fairness the whole movie was something of a botch job.

114. Disinvited - June 24, 2014

#108. Spock’s Bangs – June 24, 2014

As King John learned years ago with the Magna Carta and Socrates worked out centuries before as Plato relates:

It takes more than having all the marbles to be great.

115. Buzz Cagney - June 24, 2014

#101 pmsl. It made me cry when I saw what he said. How could he. I mean, how could he. He’s so damned gorgeous ‘n all. How could he.

116. Disinvited - June 25, 2014

#115. Buzz Cagney – June 24, 2014

See what he said? See what’s on his head!!:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2664234/Not-Pine-Chris-shows-greying-beard-catches-flight-LAX.html

I mean I knew BR was taking time to churn out their Treks but Pine’s greying! It won’t be long before MJ disowns him.

117. LogicalLeopard - June 25, 2014

94. Invinted – June 24, 2014
@ 84. Dave R – June 24, 2014

STID was a better movie than then most Hard Core Trekies deserved. You can whine all you want about how its flash over substance but that is the state of big movies now a days – not just Star Trek but all big movies.

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Eh, I don’t know about “deserved.” But you’re right, that’s how big movies operate today (and for quite a while), and everyone needs to know that. Really, my view is that people should hope that the movies do well so that a series might come out of it. Most of the gripes against the flash and substance of the movies cite “missing” features that are usually only found within a television series.

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Paramount did not make this movie for 40+ year old Fan boys, they made it for the masses – and they loved it, highest total grossing Star Trek ever.

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Exactly.

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It’s too bad that the Spock/Kirk story arcs, which were quite fantastic, totally went over the heads of angry fan boys. They were too obsessed with the plot point of ‘Kahn’
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YES, YES, YES! *LOL* I kept banging my head about that when I’d come on these forums. How could you POSSIBLY miss the TREMENDOUS Kirk story throughout this whole thing? Yeah, Spock too, because you see some great development from Spock as well, but the Kirk story is outstanding…If you’re thinking for a second in the theatre about pasty Khan when Kirk turns around and says, “I’m sorry,” you have no heart *LOL*

118. LogicalLeopard - June 25, 2014

93. Keachick (Rose) – June 24, 2014

It is more a question of priorities and not about – “proudly proclaiming that you don’t own a Blu-ray player (or a high-definition television) ceases to be a point of pride and just makes you look like an antediluvian bore.”

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Exactly! Priorities. Even when there is an excess of money, prioritizing still comes into play. Am I going to buy a Blu-Ray player, or am I going to save? Am I going to buy a Blu-ray player, or am I going to buy this season of this television show on DVD? Am I going to buy a Blu-Ray player or am I going to go on vacation? You can go on and on, but if you’re satisfied with the quality of a DVD player, why buy a Blu-ray player? There are some nifty features to integrate internet-based content on some of them, which might be nice, but if you don’t need that, or particularly want that, there’s no reason to buy one. And there’s no reason to release special content on Blu-ray players. In my opinion, you limit your sales. How many people are saying, “I would have bought that, but I’m not shelling out extra money on a Blu-Ray player when there’s only ONE movie I want to see on Blu-ray. I suppose I’ll buy this last season of Game of Thrones on DVD when it comes out instead of the Star Trek compendium…”

119. Ahmed - June 25, 2014

@ 112. Vultan – June 24, 2014

“Apparently, Ferengis are real!

;-)”

LOL

120. Spock's Bangs - June 25, 2014

@108. Spock’s Bangs

Did you escape from your babysitter just to write that moronic comment ?

Lol I’m sorry, did I make you look up a word you didn’t understand? Try “dullard” instead!

Bad Robot Trek rocks!!

FACT!!

121. Ahmed - June 25, 2014

@120. Spock’s Bangs

“Bad Robot Trek rocks!!”

Why ?

122. NuFan - June 25, 2014

Because old fashioned things have their time and place, but that is over now.

123. Ahmed - June 25, 2014

@ 122. NuFan – June 25, 2014

“Because old fashioned things have their time and place, but that is over now.”

Funny you say that, because STID brought back Khan, an old fashioned character that we already seen twice.

They have a new universe, with bigger budget & better CGIs than any other Trek movie & all they could do is bringing back an old character & to stick around the same places as in the first movie, Earth & its neighbors, instead of going out to new places.

It was a wasted opportunity.

124. Randall Williams - June 25, 2014

I am hoping Trek 3 will surpass both ST2009 and STID!

New writers, a imaginative fan-director of Trek, and hopefully a new
approach to the genre helps to make this a promising movie.

Now if only Bob can cut down on the lens flares! :)

125. Hat Rick - June 25, 2014

I’m thinking back to the old days before STID, but after ST(2009), when we were bouncing around ideas for the second JJ sequel. I remember thinking that it would be so great to have a riff on why the fleet was in the Laurentian system, requiring the late, great Christopher Pike to join a few other ships to defend Vulcan.

And I remember thinking also that it would be great to have a Guardian of Forever story, as well.

There could be an A-plot, B-plot, and C-plot, all intertwined toward a grand conclusion. Weaving these plots together, along with character development, would take a sophisticated writer with intricate knowledge of the Trekverse and, beyond that, literary allusions, tropes, and overall tricks of the trade.

I know this is bizarre, but think of the new BSG, for example. There were so many plotlines, so many potential avenues for conclusion, that no one was really sure what the end of the series was going to be like. (Again, I had some problems with this, but it’s only because I think the new BSG went to extremes in that it was too convoluted.)

I also remember thinking that we could combine a great deal of action involving hundreds of starships, which helped make the Dominion War such an interesting plot thread; there was payoff for all the developments we saw in the buildup, in DS9. I think that if you think back to Return of the Jedi, you will see that the battle scenes in which Palpatine exhorted Luke toward evil in fighting Anakin were a very useful counterpoint to the almost monastic events with which they were interwoven.

There has to be skill in weaving these lines together. Spectacle is important; one starship versus one starship has been done, and done, and done. We need epic battles. Epic, epic, epic.

So, the task is not easy. But Paramount does not pay big bucks for easy jobs. If Bob Orci is reading this, I hope he realizes that the grandeur of Star Trek is best expressed when all of its potential is explored. Trek isn’t just about spectacle, but neither is it a small-scale enterprise limited to the machinations of a small group of (or, worse, a single) antagonist(s). Trek, in its fullness, offers every bit of the possibilities that SW does, and more.

Literary Trek can serve as an example in some respects; in some ways, I wish the novelists who, in effect, expand the universe of Trek, could be asked to contribute significantly to cinematic Trek.

The more, the merrier.

126. TUP - June 26, 2014

@ 92 Logical Leapard –

I actually like the idea of “destiny” in the sense that the universe has a destined route and, as Spock speculated, it was trying to get back on course. That actually makes our TOS heroes even more important in the sense that the universe *needs* this crew together.

But Kirk reading a thesis so he is aware of a “lightening storm in space” being mentioned on the night of Nero’s attack and then ofcourse the attack on Vulcan and him immediately making the conclusion that its the same situation is too much of a stretch. It’s like they wrote these big scenes and then just came up with the most tenuous of threads to link them together.

If Pike was so concerned with Kirk and so determined to inspire him, why didnt he try to before? We’re to believe that if not for the happenstance of Pike walking in to the bar while Kirk is there fighting, that none of this would have happened? Maybe Pike went there looking for Kirk but why then and there? it was just too loose.

Logically, Spock would have thrown Kirk in the brig, not blasted him off in a tube. Even though he aimed him towards a planet with an outpost, it was far too risky. it was in complete disregard for Kirk’s well-being. There were only two people on that outpost. He could have died on impact. he could have struck a meteor. He could have frozen to death. That monster might have eaten him. Any number of things. Again, it was done just to get to the next big scene in the movie.

I forgot to mention the Kobiashi Maru test. Probably my least favourite scene in the movie and the best example of how the writers THINK they know Kirk but they really dont. In WOK, it was revealed Kirk programed the simulator so that there was a way to win. What Kirk in Star Trek did was program it so there was no way to lose.

Kirk is sometimes brash, and almost always confident. But he’s not arrogant. Okay, this is young Kirk. Young Kirk who was described as a walking book case or something to that effect, not a womanizing, arrogant prick. I wanted to see Kirk work that simulator so that in a real-world scenario, a master tactician had the slimmest chance to win…thus proving that Kirk was a tactical genius. What we got was a disgrace. He was rightfully almost court-martialed rather than receiving a medal as stated in WOK.

What bothers me is the errors are so glaring because they were so easily fixable. I wont split hairs about Kirk being a stereotype, it just made me roll my eyes. I’d have preferred to see a Kirk that grew up as the “man of the house”, resisting his destiny, resisting that deep-seeding longing to follow his father into the stars, but having that pull. Maybe a less confident Kirk, a reluctant genius who scores off the charts in school but feels compelled to “stay home”…perhaps its revealed later as a fear. Fear of not living up to his fathers’ example, fear of suffering the same fate, fear of leaving his mother. Perhaps we tie this into TVH’s “I’ve always known I’ll die alone” since his father literally died alone too.

The Kelvin should have been the TOS Enterprise under Captain April. Thats a perfect example of fan-servicing without confusuing non-fans and it would have started the film with the emotional strike of destroying the original Enterprise, literally turning the page on “the old Trek”. It would have explained the difference in technology and look. And it would explain why the next Enterprise was being built where it was (as homage to the hero who saved X amount of lives).

What I meant by Checkov, was, he should have been, what, 10 years old? There was no reason to include him. His inclusion in the third one would have been a nice bonus…it would “complete” the coming together of the cast.

There were easy fixes. But these “fan” writers arent really that knowledgable about the core of the characters.

127. TUP - June 26, 2014

@93 – Keachick – I disagree that Blu Ray players are designed to be obselete. My buddy bought his (a PS3) six years ago and still uses it as his Blu Ray player. I bought my first one six years ago also and only replaced it last year because it broke. The technology was fine. While replacing it, I did upgrade to a wi-fi version and I now use it for Netflix as well. I see no reason to upgrade it again any time soon.

If you’re not a moviephile, I understand. I am. So I like the big TV, surround sound and Blu Ray. There is nothing like watching (and listening) to a really good Blu Ray, if you’re into movies.

128. TUP - June 26, 2014

@99 Keachick Aside from you being very rude, ofcourse Im not trolling.

I’ve read many of your posts and I clearly have a far deeper understanding of the films than you do. You see “explosion” and “fight” and are wow’ed. I want logic and sensibility in my movies, especially Star Trek that Ive been watching since I was a kid.

You’re a fan so you have a frame of reference for the movie. I had many friends who were non fans or casual fans that asked me about Nero. They “got” that he came from the future and was mad at Spock but it was a very surface understanding. They still enjoyed the movie (as did I) but once I explained the back story more, they “got it” more.

You know, its okay to discuss subjects without insulting. Not everyone has to agree. Grow up and be a better example for your 12 year old.

129. Cygnus-X1 - June 26, 2014

126. TUP – June 26, 2014

Good points about the writing.

Though, Pike walking in while Kirk is getting pummeled isn’t so hard to believe. He might’ve just known about this kid, son of the famous George Kirk, who unlike his dad has become something of a riff-raff around town. Word got back to Pike about the Kirk boy at some point, and so Pike did a bit of checking into Jim Kirk’s records. Maybe Pike is near by and someone tells him there’s a brawl over in the bar, and the Kirk boy is getting his ass handed to him by 4 cadets. So, Pike decides to take an interest.

130. TUP - June 26, 2014

Cygnus – the fight happened pretty quickly. I dont really have an issue with Pike being there in the sense I can believe he would be anyway. If this was a last night party for a bunch of cadets, its reasonable to assume that their Commanding officer might pop in. It was just another big coincedence in a movie(s) full of them when more thoughtful writers could have had more logical chain of events.

131. Keachick (Rose) - June 26, 2014

#128 – “I’ve read many of your posts and I clearly have a far deeper understanding of the films than you do. You see “explosion” and “fight” and are wow’ed. I want logic and sensibility in my movies, especially Star Trek that Ive been watching since I was a kid.”

Well no, you have not read many of my posts at all, otherwise you would not have made the comment quoted above. The fact that you would even write this makes me believe that you are trolling and shallow or have not bothered to pay attention to what it is that you claim you have read.

One of my very first posts to this site four years ago was to beg Bob Orci to make these series of films LESS violent. I clearly stated that I did not want to see space battles, ships exploding etc. I and only ONE other poster called out the viciousness of the STID scene of Marcus having his skull crushed by Khan or the fact that the STID trailer showed a *character viciously and repeatedly kicking another who was down on the floor*.
(It turned out that it was Khan repeatedly kicking Kirk, yet again)

You have lied about me on this site with your comments and I want an apology.

Another fact, and something that I have also written about in several posts to this site over time but which I obviously need to repeat again because clearly TUP has not paid attention –
I first saw Star Trek around 1967/68. It was when it was first screened in NZ, a few months after its first screening on US television (it took several weeks/months before we got to see the latest in US or British television offerings). It was in black and white (NZ had no colour TV until 1974) and was on at 8.00pm Thursday nights and later shown on at 8.00pm Saturday nights. These were not re-runs or digitized whatevers! We were watching them as they were being made…

132. Red Dead Ryan - June 26, 2014

If anyone’s still on the fence about switching to blu ray, I’ll tell you that the BBC Earth documentaries like “Planet Earth”, “Life”, and “Frozen Planet” really shine in hi-def. Also, “Avatar” is absolutely stunning. Not to mention the “Star Trek” reboot movies. :-)

133. Moshe - June 26, 2014

@29. The Observer – June 23, 2014
“It’s DS9 on blu that’s been cancelled, not Star Trek 3.”

Huh?? What do you mean that DS9 on Bru-ray has been “cancelled”, and what is your source for this? To the best of my knowledge, no official plans for DS9 on Blu-ray have ever been announced, let alone cancelled.

134. Disinvited - June 26, 2014

#127. TUP – June 26, 2014

If I recall correctly where the PS/3 can be a problem is if you desire to bitstream the advanced audio codecs to your receiver via HDMI so it isn’t a perfect fit for all audiophiles. I believe the Slim editions are the only ones that do that.

Also, now that the PS/4 is out how long do you expect Sony to continue to support the PS/3′s blu-ray player? I have a Sony stand alone blu-ray player that they haven’t provided any updates since 2012. The Euro edition of the same player hasn’t had any updates since 2010.

And while I’m at it the PS/4′s blu-ray player is plagued with problems leading to a no-go on many current releases.

135. TUP - June 27, 2014

@ Keachick

“You have lied about me on this site with your comments and I want an apology.”

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA poor baby. Not happening. You’re insulting to many and you never want to hear others’ opinions. You’re a bully. I’d say you’re a troll but you invest far too much time here to be a troll. If you want to be treated with respect, remember the golden rule.

“One of my very first posts to this site four years ago was to beg Bob Orci to make these series of films LESS violent. I clearly stated that I did not want to see space battles, ships exploding etc. I and only ONE other poster called out the viciousness of the STID scene of Marcus having his skull crushed by Khan or the fact that the STID trailer showed a *character viciously and repeatedly kicking another who was down on the floor*.”

I would disagree with that opinion. The skull crush was a good scene. You are aware violence exists in the real world, correct? And in a military organization like Star Fleet there are likely to be “battles” right? It doesnt sound like you really want Star Trek, you want Star Trek characters in a different genre.

136. TUP - June 27, 2014

@134 Disinvited

I wasnt aware of audio issues with PS3. My buddy has a surround system hooked up and it always sounds good, though I am an audiophile in the general sense. I am sure there are people that can hear the most minor of differences, which I cannot. Personally I hold of The Watchmen as my favourite “audio” experience.

I guess the point with Blu Ray Players is, how much “support” do they need? Thats over my head. But as I said, I had a five year old BD Player that broke (I cant remember how) otherwise I wouldnt have “upgraded”. Firmware updates etc are probably something we have to accept moving now as everything becomes “smart”.

137. Disinvited - June 27, 2014

#135. TUP – June 27, 2014

“Firmware updates etc are probably something we have to accept moving now as everything becomes “smart”.” — TUP

I don’t have a problem with “real” firmware updates. My problem is the updates that are needed are encryption key updates to play the latest releases that only serves a few industry paranoid disc producers who fool themselves into thinking they are doing something to prevent copying. And the bill of goods the Blu-ray association sold the consumers assuring them that the old players would always be able to at least play the movie on newer discs with extremely reduced functionality for everything else.

I mean what is Disney really trying to accomplish by making the copy protection on the standard blu-ray disc of their movies so complicated that my pc’s player can’t make heads or tails of it but the 3D blu-ray disc of the same movie plays just fine and my player’s software converts it into an extremely fine 2D play that I’d dare to say is superior to the standard blu-ray? Am I too cynical if I suspect they are trying to goose the more expensive 3D disc sales by making them more hassle-free?

138. LogicalLeopard - June 27, 2014

126. TUP – June 26, 2014
@ 92 Logical Leapard –

I actually like the idea of “destiny” in the sense that the universe has a destined route and, as Spock speculated, it was trying to get back on course. That actually makes our TOS heroes even more important in the sense that the universe *needs* this crew together.

But Kirk reading a thesis so he is aware of a “lightening storm in space” being mentioned on the night of Nero’s attack and then ofcourse the attack on Vulcan and him immediately making the conclusion that its the same situation is too much of a stretch. It’s like they wrote these big scenes and then just came up with the most tenuous of threads to link them together.

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Like I said, I don’t think it was Kirk just remembering a thesis. I think Kirk probably would have known as much as he could as a child, because it’s how his father died. Maybe his mother described it as a lightning storm in space, just like she probably described a lot of the things she had see in her years in space. I don’t remember if Kirk said he read the thesis before he joined Starfleet or afterward, but I don’t find it strange at all that a person whose father had been killed dramatically would research the information about what happened, especially if it were significant enough to merit scholarly work. It would be the same as a person whose father died on D-Day researching D-Day, what the beach looked like, what the weather conditions were like, what part of the beach his father landed on, etc. There can sometimes be a morbid curiosity that would even make a person visit such a site to see it and experience it for themselves.

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concerned with Kirk and so determined to inspire him, why didnt he try to before? We’re to believe that if not for the happenstance of Pike walking in to the bar while Kirk is there fighting, that none of this would have happened? Maybe Pike went there looking for Kirk but why then and there? it was just too loose.
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Yup, this is back to the same coincidences and universe needing everyone together. Only this is much less coincidental as say his encounter with Scotty. Kirk lives in Riverside, near a Starfleet outpost. He likes to go to the bar. Pike’s cadets come to the same bar. Pike comes to check on them, sees some dude that his cadets whooped on, asks the Bartender for information, finds out its George Kirk’s boy, googles him real quick while he’s unconscious, finds that he’s a ne’er do well, and gives him a pep talk. I don’t think Pike went looking for him.
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Logically, Spock would have thrown Kirk in the brig, not blasted him off in a tube. Even though he aimed him towards a planet with an outpost, it was far too risky. it was in complete disregard for Kirk’s well-being. There were only two people on that outpost. He could have died on impact. he could have struck a meteor. He could have frozen to death. That monster might have eaten him. Any number of things. Again, it was done just to get to the next big scene in the movie.

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Well, yeah, logically he would have gone into the brig. But I think it’s forgivable, since Kirk wasn’t authorized to be on the ship at all. And normally, when you’ve got prisoners on a ship, you offload them at the nearest outpost, right? There’s no telling when they were getting back to earth, and actually, there’s no telling if the Enterprise was going to SURVIVE what they were going to encounter. I mean, a planet had just blown up and a fleet destroyed. So, it’s really not right to keep an individual of dubious status on the ship. As far as the danger in shipping Kirk there, I don’t really believe that the pod he was in faced any significant danger, like striking a meteoroid. If it could maneuver to a planet and land safely, it could dodge any natural obstructions. As far as it being too cold, it offered adequate protection from the cold, and whether or not Spock knew how many people were at the outpost was irrelevant, because it was a functioning outpost.

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I forgot to mention the Kobiashi Maru test. Probably my least favourite scene in the movie and the best example of how the writers THINK they know Kirk but they really dont. In WOK, it was revealed Kirk programed the simulator so that there was a way to win. What Kirk in Star Trek did was program it so there was no way to lose.

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That’s kind of semantics, though, right? Having no way to lose is a way to win.

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Kirk is sometimes brash, and almost always confident. But he’s not arrogant. Okay, this is young Kirk. Young Kirk who was described as a walking book case or something to that effect, not a womanizing, arrogant prick. I wanted to see Kirk work that simulator so that in a real-world scenario, a master tactician had the slimmest chance to win…thus proving that Kirk was a tactical genius. What we got was a disgrace. He was rightfully almost court-martialed rather than receiving a medal as stated in WOK.

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This is not young Kirk. This is young nu-Kirk, who was raised without a father and without all of the experiences Prime Kirk had, and the experiences this Kirk had made him into an arrogant, womanizing, er…jerk. That’s very important to understand with this situation, is that you’re not seeing the characters you love, you’re seeing an alternate version of what could have happened to those characters, like a Mirror Universe version. And also in this version, all it takes for Kirk in getting almost court martialed to getting a medal is a change in Academy personnel. Spock wasn’t having any cute human antics, cloaking cheating with “original thinking.” Neither was Admiral Tyler Perry, apparently. But if he had a different Academy staff in the Prime Universe, maybe the commandant and his instructor would have thought it was original

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What bothers me is the errors are so glaring because they were so easily fixable. I wont split hairs about Kirk being a stereotype, it just made me roll my eyes. I’d have preferred to see a Kirk that grew up as the “man of the house”, resisting his destiny, resisting that deep-seeding longing to follow his father into the stars, but having that pull. Maybe a less confident Kirk, a reluctant genius who scores off the charts in school but feels compelled to “stay home”…perhaps its revealed later as a fear. Fear of not living up to his fathers’ example, fear of suffering the same fate, fear of leaving his mother. Perhaps we tie this into TVH’s “I’ve always known I’ll die alone” since his father literally died alone too.

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Those are all stereotypes you mentioned as well, no different than the angry rebel without a cause. But the writer’s chose this angle, and I kind of like it. That’s a matter of opinion though.

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The Kelvin should have been the TOS Enterprise under Captain April. Thats a perfect example of fan-servicing without confusuing non-fans and it would have started the film with the emotional strike of destroying the original Enterprise, literally turning the page on “the old Trek”. It would have explained the difference in technology and look. And it would explain why the next Enterprise was being built where it was (as homage to the hero who saved X amount of lives).

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Would have loved that too, but maybe they didn’t want to start off with the Enterprise A. We can’t say “It should have been,” because that can produce all sorts of interesting problems. How would fans have taken to the Enterprise blowing up in the first few minutes? How would non-fans, how somehow missed the difference between George Kirk and James Kirk, react, thinking that “Wow….okay, so I’m seeing Star Trek, but Captain Kirk and the Enterprise just got blown up in the first five minutes? Where is Scotty and all them?” It would have been momentarily confusing for some, distressful for others, to see April get butchered quickly, so they went with the Kelvin.
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What I meant by Checkov, was, he should have been, what, 10 years old? There was no reason to include him. His inclusion in the third one would have been a nice bonus…it would “complete” the coming together of the cast.

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True. But they wanted to start off the movie I suppose with Ringo instead of…..whose that other guy that drummed first?

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There were easy fixes. But these “fan” writers arent really that knowledgable about the core of the characters.

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Oh, they’re knowledgeable enough. It’s often a question of whether or not they care to go with those things.

139. Keachick (Rose) - June 27, 2014

TUP – “HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA poor baby. Not happening. You’re insulting to many and you never want to hear others’ opinions. You’re a bully.”

What has this got to do with you lying about me on this site? and what is this “HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA poor baby. Not happening.” It is you who is being rude and insulting.

This is what you wrote that I objected to – “I’ve read many of your posts and I clearly have a far deeper understanding of the films than you do. You see “explosion” and “fight” and are wow’ed. I want logic and sensibility in my movies, especially Star Trek that Ive been watching since I was a kid.”

Did you not write “fight”? I understand “fight” to mean hand to hand physical combat, kicking, punching, man skull crushing with his hands…and I suspect that most other people understand the term as I do. Now you are saying that “fight” is OK, because violence happens. So now, I guess it is OK if one is “wow’ed” by such scenes. However, “fight” can also take the form of pitched battle scenes using various kinds of weapons, including those on starships and (big) explosions tend to be result of use of these weapons.

You insult me and then have the gall to call me the bully, simply because I see some of the arguments you make as being a little shallow.

I read all the posts on these threads, so I can hardly be legitimately accused of never wanting to know other people’s opinions. However, I know this is clearly not true of yourself.

It is you, sir, who is the rude bully.
You need to apologize.

140. TUP - June 30, 2014

What in my original statement requires an apology?

You’re an arrogant, self absorbed bully. It’s rare to read anything from you that is thoughtful and interesting. most of your posts seem to be bickering with people. Ask yourself why that is. It takes two to tango. You’re a mess.

141. Keachick (Rose) - June 30, 2014

Ditto.

I have already stated why I require an apology and I only end up bickering with arrogant, mentally lazy bullies like yourself who lie about what I have actually written on various occasions, making stupid and cynical assumptions as to what I like, simply because you have clearly not actually bothered to read much of what I have written.

On the other hand, I read everything…which is one of the reasons why I can stand by what I wrote.

I say again -
It is you, sir, who is the rude bully.
You need to apologize! again.

Stop compounding your predicament by being even more rude and nasty.

142. D - June 30, 2014

IMAX 3D?

143. Chris Roberts - July 1, 2014

Well, here we are. An article on the edge of forever. Right down there on the bottom of the page 1, ready to drop off into oblivion. Never to seen by human eyes ever again. Except for you dear reader. Congratulations on finding me!

So what does my post have to do with this re-release of Star Trek Into Darkness packed with brand new extra features? Ah well, allow me to explain and maybe my thoughts will have not been in vain.

Ricardo Montalban will always be Khan Noonien Singh to me. And the thing is… his likeness predates Nero’s divergence of the timeline – splitting off the Alternate Reality from the Prime Universe in Star Trek (2009). Nothing he did can possibly explain the look and behaviour of a character from Earth’s past, centuries before he arrived in 2233. Now, both versions of Khan can be reconciled quite easily, with just one scene revision added to this film. It’s not going to happen but allow me to run my idea by you all…

Firstly, I admit to finding Benedict Cumberbatch’s performance was much colder and largely lacking in the intense passion of Ricardo Montalban’s version. BC only occasionally recaptured what made Khan who he was. The viewscreen exchange between him and Spock, while threatening Kirk being the best example I can recall.

I do kind of wish there had been that visual reference of Montalban’s Khan from the history books. I too have issues accepting Cumberbatch playing a character with a surname implying a certain racial background. That’s illogical given the Mexican actor I associate with him but there you go. He was too strong to be shrugged off really. Wrath of Khan is still a critically rated film that floats in serious polls. From that Space Seed was continually referred back to, although whether or not it would have that classic status without it, is debatable.

I would’ve like to have seen some additional footage added to Star Trek Into Darkness featuring who Khan was, when Marcus found him. They could’ve dumped it into Deleted Scenes if it didn’t work.

Mileage varies, but I think whoever they’d have cast as Khan… to me, that scene in the brig needed us to see more. More to sell the reveal about his actual name. More to counteract the John Harrison mould Cumberbatch’s casting fits.

It would’ve silenced the critique about possibly having kept him that way… a rogue Starfleet agent. Engineered or not.

My attitude to that scene is, “Khan?!? Really? Prove it.” And that must be so in the minds of the writers too. So much so, that later in the film they have to produce Nimoy Spock to back it up. Only suddenly saying his full name kind of compounds the issue.

If visual references or a flashback to Montalban’s Khan were to happen… probably while Nimoy Spock gives his full name Khan Noonien Singh and breaks his promise not to give any information about his 23rd Century.

Or else, when John Harrison is in the brig and speaks of his past. Images should’ve
flashed by of Marcus boarding the Botany Bay with a security team, and Montalban Khan or somebody standing in for him at any rate, being discovered there. Shots of Doctors performing a surgical procedure and canisters being moved in a cargo bay, while Khan confesses to being used by Section 31, in return for the safety of his crew.

Like the trippy 24th Century scenes of Nimoy on Romulus, leaving in the Jellyfish, being captured by Nero and getting stranded on Delta Vega.

Or Newt’s family backstory, cut from Aliens with the ship from the original film shown.

The scene focused on Cumberbatch’s crying face for absolutely ages and could’ve benefitted from being broken up and cut away from. My reaction is generally that’s where the whole film disappears down the rabbit hole. It needed to show, as much as rely on the actor to tell us who he really is.

Zero chance of doing that now though. No such alternate or deleted scene was shot.

With occasional details going above the audience’s head, that they only pickup on them on rewatch, one more wouldn’t have hurt. There were ways of doing it, I’m sure. It wouldn’t quite have been the same thing as repeated shots from earlier, in the way a later revision to Star Trek VI reminded people of the conspirators. For one set of people it would’ve been the prisoner picturing Admiral Marcus finding the ship he and his crew came from. For another, a shot would be mixed in there establishing that Khan didn’t always look that way. Literally seconds and IIRC they’re onto Kirk calling Scotty in a bar, then onto the next scene after that. I would’ve loved it if there had been something in there, however oblique to tackle the issue.

Shatner came very close to appearing in Star Trek 2009… they wrote a scene involving a hologram of him belonging to Nimoy Spock. Supposedly used as a way of reinforcing to the younger Spock that they would become friends. And had Shatner said yes, the filmmakers wouldn’t have been unwilling to invite comparisons between the original and younger version recasts. The new actors were very carefully thought about when they were chosen, and came with the approval of the originals or their son in a certain case. By enlarge it’s the alternative universe lives that have been occasionally criticised (again rationalised onscreen particularly in Kirk’s case) and not that they don’t bear any likeness. So Khan remains the odd one out, even alongside yet another recast addition, Carol Marcus… whose English accent, again explained… albeit in a deleted scene. So, it’s deliberate change in approach for Khan only, in a film continuing to be consistent in other areas.

Whether Star Trek Into Darkness succeeded or failed – having images of Peter Weller, the Botany Bay and somebody who may or may not look like Montalban in one of those tubes, flash up while Cumberbatch tells us who he is – isn’t exactly going to have been responsible for it.

I’ve since learned the change has been explained away in comic-form, as deep-cover identity reassignment working at Section 31. For my own enjoyment, I would’ve liked that additional bit of Khantext IN THE FILM that’s all.

My own wish would be for something to be added to future editions of STID on Blu ray, like a way found to revise the scene where Khan’s identity is revealed. A flashback to some newly shot material right there… similar to what I’ve suggested above.

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