Interview: Director Dermott Downs On Keeping The ‘Star Trek: Strange New Worlds’ Musical Grounded

Dermott Downs (director) - Star Trek: Strange New Worlds "Subspace Rhapsody" - TrekMovie

The first full-on musical episode in the Star Trek franchise premiered this week. Star Trek: Strange New Worlds’ “Subspace Rhapsody” was directed by Dermott Downs, who began his career as a child star in Disney movies, then became a cinematographer and eventually a director, moving from music videos to TV episodes and films… and occasionally specializing in musical episodes. TrekMovie had a chance to talk to Downs about helming this groundbreaking episode and the choices he made along the way.

Can you tell me about the prep for this episode? Working with the actors during rehearsals, what the mood was like, their confidence levels…

Secret Hideout was great in that they brought me up two weeks before normal prep even started. And there were the temp tracks that weren’t recorded with the cast already laid down. Script was already written. And so for two weeks, I got to walk the stages with the choreographer Roberto Campanella, who’s quite an established choreographer, but he’s also done creature choreography for Guillermo del Toro, and just a fantastic artist and human being. And so for two weeks, we got to really listen to the songs, imagine the kind of choreography that was different for each tone, because the songs are so different, and then really start to visualize that.

So by the time my normal prep started, and I met everybody, it was a pretty clear idea that was just left to then flesh out with the actors as far as what they felt great about or what they wanted to push. And we fortunately had a great schedule. So there was not like a song that I was like, “Ah, man, we left so much on the floor.” I really felt proud of the cast and the crew’s commitment to just putting it out there. And, you know, they came in on weekends to rehearse. They would stick around to watch their castmates’ numbers, because they were just so invested in the idea.

Was there anyone who was particularly nervous among the non-singers?

Anson [Mount], you know, he had talked about “look, I really haven’t sung” and I was like, “Yeah, but what’s great about your number is, you’re really having a conversation.” It’s a conversation in front of everybody set to music, and he’s humiliated and horrified at the same time,as he’s compelled. And he just gave it his all. There was never even a question that we even wanted to interpret it like him getting into choreography as far as dancing, because he wasn’t compelled THAT far. He was still the captain of the ship.

Director Dermott Downs and Anson Mount during the filming of "Subspace Rhapsody"

Anson Mount as Capt. Pike in Star Trek: Strange New Worlds streaming on Paramount+, 2023. Photo Credit: Michael Gibson/Paramount+

But I don’t know that Paul [Wesley] had done ballroom dancing. Paul and Rebecca [Romijn], they have the first number, which is quite whimsical and fun. Even though they’re compelled, it’s sort of like, ‘Are we singing, are we not?’ And then the music just propels the story. And obviously, the music gets more intense and exposes more of what they can’t say through words, and it builds and builds until we have a sing-off with the Klingons.

How was it working within the space of the sets of the ship, and how much freedom did you have in those spaces?

When I first started doing episodic TV, there would always be the bottle episode, and that’s where the episode is written to take place within just the stages. And I did an episode of Blindspot and I learned really quickly that okay, well, but there’s freedom in that too—and that was a “Groundhog Day” episode. There’s freedom and because the sets are huge, they’re really fantastic. So the goal was just to use as much of that as we could and to be as cinematic as we could in the choreography, in the characters… you know, spaces of feeling alone. So it wasn’t constricting at all. And the sets were built with so many removable walls and access for equipment and just actor-friendly, so there was just so much freedom.

Filming the grand finale of "Subspace Rhapsody"

L-R Jess Bush as Chapel, Christina Chong as La’an, Anson Mount as Capt. Pike, Paul Thomas as James T. Kirk and Rebecca Romijn as Una appearing in Star Trek: Strange New Worlds streaming on Paramount+, 2023. Photo Credit: Michael Gibson/Paramount+

Was there anything you wanted to do but couldn’t do for logistical reasons?

The number with Rebecca and Chrissy [Chong]… it’s in zero gravity. I wanted to get a little more… not operatic because even in all the songs, the show is still really really grounded, but there were a couple of maybe Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon moments in that zero gravity, but it might have been too much, so I’m kind of glad that we didn’t go that far. But that was the one thing that wasn’t, like, left on the floor because there became a decision not to do that. But I had earlier thought, ‘Oh, that’s gonna be cool.’ And in looking at it, it still keeps it grounded and intimate.

Rebecca Romijn and Christina Chong filming the "floating" sequence

Rebecca Romijn as Una and Christina Chong as La’an appearing in Star Trek: Strange New Worlds streaming on Paramount+, 2023. Photo Credit: Michael Gibson/Paramount+

But everything else now I mean… I got to have the whole crew come down the hallway and do a full 360 with the camera, and that was the only shot for that whole little break in the song. I’m like, ‘Nope, don’t bring any other cameras out.’ Because we’re not going to break that up in the edit, it’s going to just flip everything as we all are racing to the bridge to beat this. And then we have Carol Kane, Ethan [Peck], and Chrissy in the engine room like Queen [laughs]. That was probably—that was even, more than the choreography of running down the hall and spinning the camera with not an option, it was like, ‘Okay, is this too meta?’ But at that point, look, you’re in a sing-off with the Klingons doing K-pop. It’s still grounded, but we’re singing and we’re trying to beat them. So that was fun all the way around. And the fact that everybody, cast, crew, and you know, Bill [Wolkoff] and Dana [Horgan] wrote such a great script. I was one of many to make this happen.

L-R Carol Kane as Pelia, Christina Chong as La’an, Ethan Peck as Spock in Star Trek: Strange New Worlds

L-R Carol Kane as Pelia, Christina Chong as La’an, Ethan Peck as Spock in Star Trek: Strange New Worlds streaming on Paramount+, 2023. Photo Credit: Best Possible Screengrab/Paramount+

At the very end of the big finale, we see Carol Kane and Anson Mount dancing together. Was that spontaneous?

Spontaneous, I give that to them. You know, as the sort of pixie dust comes down as they shattered the anomaly; through music, we’ve beaten the odds and just said look there’s something to celebrate. It’s not Henry V after battle, there’s something celebratory because we’ve all been through this, and let’s honor the music still. So Spock’s on his own because he just realizes he and Nurse Chapel probably are not going to happen. But everybody else was certainly high-fiving. And I went to the monitor and it was like, oh, man, that’s awesome.

What was your exposure to Star Trek and Strange New Worlds before you got the call? And were you surprised to get that call?

I had not been part of all the new iterations of you know, Discovery, Picard. But I’m a huge fan of the original. When I first met [with] Secret Hideout, I was just honest. I said, “Why another Star Trek?” Because what was awesome about the original was how bold each episode was as a standalone: comedy, drama, love story, what have you. And they said, “Well, that’s what we’re doing. And we have a sitcom, and we have a musical.” And I got into this business after watching Oliver Twist. As a seven-year-old, I memorized the songbook and became a Disney contract player. And then, through college, I transitioned into cinematography in the music video era, so I got to make four or five music-driven films a month for a couple of years. So when I met them, and having had done “Duets,” the Flash/Supergirl musical, I had some gravitas. So it just opened up that conversation. And the idea-it first seemed like, “Okay, we could be jumping the shark here,” but not at all. I think that I think Bill and Dana wrote such a great script that once you understand the anomaly, and you were running with it… It’s grounded, and that’s what’s most paramount to them. That was the thing most stressed in all my levels of prep that everybody did discuss, the tone of the show. And even though this has got 10 musical numbers, it is a very grounded episode still.

The way the camera moves in Celia [Rose Gooding]’s big number, it helped so much to tell her story. How was that to film? Is that the number you’re proudest of? Do you have a favorite?

Celia’s was like the power ballad. To me, it was like, ‘Okay, this is the biggest song,’ but she has had probably the most experience, although Chrissy released an album this summer, and, she’s got her own musical journey. But like, okay, Celia’s really got a confidence going into this singing and I know she’s going to nail the emotional elements of that. And just not wanting to get too pyrotechnical with the camera, but also just give it those big power ballad moments where you’re letting the camera fly back with the notes flying out. And I felt we got it, we had a great marriage of that. And so in a way, that was probably the biggest number, because the big chorus line finale was broken up all over the ship. And then it’s just basically on the bridge. In a way, that’s kind of the biggest number in one place. But it was not difficult to film at all.

Celie Rose Gooding as Uhura in Star Trek: Strange New Worlds' "Subspace Rhapsody"

La’an’s… I was kind of terrified [of] Chrissy’s because it was four and a half minutes in her quarters. And I was like, ‘Oh man, how are we going to make this visual?’ I don’t want the music to be distracted by a lot of visuals to make a musical story out of this. And we had a lot of conversations about that and I thought we found a great way to keep it really internal. And her moment of exploding out of her room in her head originally was going to be like The Sound of Music, like her in a field and then he [Kirk] appears, and I thought ‘that’ll be wild’ and we’ll go giant and like Terrence Malick in nature and then.. the show was so internal, on the ship, it was like, what else could that be? And Chris Fisher, the producing director, had mentioned [director] Amanda [Row]’s episode where they [La’an and Kirk] meet on an alternative Earth and there’s this hotel scene, and they were going to do pickups of that scene during my prep and said “What could you do there?”

At first, I was resistant, thinking I have this explosive nature to contrast everything else. And then it became just the intimacy of ‘I can express myself in a way that I can’t in real life.’ And so it’s under the sheets, it’s just intimate and magical and romantic in a way that she can’t be in her real life. And that’s as much of a favorite as any of my songs, and it was probably the one I was most terrified of just because it’s her bedroom and it’s a big song. I thought she nailed all these moments. we were able to still use the space but still feel kind of organic and how she would be singing to herself.

Were you in the edit helping put it all together?

Yeah. The editor is editing all the way through from the day you start, and I’m in constant dialogue with my editors just to touch base on ‘this is what I’m thinking and these are transitions I like’ but editors are free to sort of interpret it on their cut. And sometimes you’re surprised but for this, there were a lot of times I didn’t leave a lot of choices on for some things. But yeah, then I get my own four days and then put my stamp on it, but everybody’s collaboration on this was part of what makes it as good as it is. It wasn’t certainly just my vision.

Director Dermott Downs with Carol Kane as Pelia in Star Trek: Strange New Worlds streaming on Paramount+, 2023. Photo Credit: Michael Gibson/Paramount+

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He did a great job. I just rewatched the episode last night. A real joy.

This episode is already legendary and will be celebrated in Trek history!
And I love that the Klingons put the “K” in K-Pop!!

Is that what that was supposed to be?

Regardless of whether you adored or despised the episode, or something in between, “grounded” is about the last word I would use to describe “Subspace Rhapsody.”

Weakest episode of the season..

No you are

This was brilliant.

Everyone was dreading it, talking about how awful the concept would be. now that it’s out, 90% of people absolutely adored it. Funny.

Count me in on that, I really liked it. Thought lower decks was a bad idea too, happy to be wrong.

So, I downloaded the soundtrack this weekend and listened to the music on speakers, sans video. By and large, *as a musical*, I think it holds up extremely well — as an episode of Star Trek, not so much, but I’m willing to view it as a Star Trek-themed musical.

Of the nine numbers, for me (YMMV, of course) the clear winners were:

– “How Would That Feel” (La’an’s number), which reminds me a lot of “Defying Gravity” from WICKED: that’s a good thing.
– “I’m Ready” (Chapel’s song in the bar). “I’m the X” is effectively Spock’s companion piece to this, which I also enjoyed, but it was brought down a notch by Peck’s poor singing.
– “Keep Us Connected,” which melody and lyrics-wise was a bit banal, but (inversely to Peck) was elevated by Celia Rose Gooding’s talent.
– “Status Report,” with its jazz like theme, wasn’t bad, although the lyrics were mostly technobabble.

The grand finale was a bit more of a dud, as was “Connect to Your Truth.” “Private Conversation” and “Keeping Secrets” were utter flops. There was no need to bring Capt. Batel into this, nor Kirk. I continue to think it could have used one minor-key ballad, and that La’an’s theme from “Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow” could have been the basis for it.

All in all, I think that’s a pretty impressive ratio of hits-to-misses, as musicals go. (Does anyone remember CATS for “Mungujorrie and Rumpelteazer”?)

I just can’t accept this as a canonical episode. For me it’s like the Trek equivalent of Treehouse of Horror. It’s there and it’s entertaining but it’s not something I can take as part of the actual show. The attempt to frame it as a technobabble thing was just beyond stupid. If the crew had been singing without magical musical accompaniment that would have worked—like a more extreme version of DS9’s Babel. As it stands, the episode is like some musical theatre nightmare.

Let’s Do The Warp Drive Again!

I wonder if they could have done something more like DS9’s baseball episode and given the characters a reason to voluntarily sing, e.g. they put on a musical as part of their leave and in the background it’s more about their character relationships a bit like TNG’s ‘Family’. It might have even worked well as a decompression *after* the current Gorn storyline is resolved.

But too late now. It was fun, but I wouldn’t say it can be tried again for a long time.

It was better than I expected. Could’ve been a real train wreck but it wasn’t. Now that they have finally gotten it out of their system can we please move on now? Can we please have some ACTUAL Strange New Worlds next season. Just a suggestion.

Yes, I second that suggestion.

Third. I thoroughly enjoyed the episode but I want to see some other cultures and planets too. I mean there were plenty of bottle episodes on the ship in every iteration of Trek, but it’s in the title and was a big part of what I loved in TOS.

Fourth. SNW’s strength is that it can be different things for different episodes but lets not go over board, esp since this show has only 10 eps a season to play with, not 20+ like the old shows.

‘Let’s not go overboard.’ I thought that was their goal.

They’ve gone off the deep end, Mr. Scott.

The only strange, new world the Enterprise has been to all season was the one that had nothing but a portal.

There was the “Among the Lotus Eaters” episode which was the most TOS-like episode in many years and that introduced a strange planet with memory-altering properties. Also the ‘Lost in Translation’ episode with the deuterium aliens using Uhura to communicate.

But as far as the others, all the portal episode did was bring a couple of Starfleet officers for a visit and a minor confrontation with the Orions. It wasn’t ‘new’ ground.

We need a few more traditional landing party episodes.

They actually used wires? The way it was shot, with you never seeing the their full bodies, I thought it was all camera tricks.

I actually kinda like that. Going old school Christopher Reeve style.

Even ‘The Flash’ movie used wires for some of Supergirl’s stunts. It is quite nice to see practical effects aren’t totally gone.

Loved it! Many thanks to all involved!

Just caught the episode. Epic. I suspect it’ll get better on rewatchings.
A couple of quick observations: did anyone pick up a Amy Winehouse vibe off the Jess Bush sequence? And did Spock tip the crew complement at 200?

I don’t like it. But who cares what I think. If it helps to renew it for another season, I don’t care. Actually, I kinda lied. The Klingons were awesome.

I’ve watched this episode and the Lower Decks crossover twice each. I am really, really loving this season.