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3 New Star Trek Commercials w/ Screencaps and Analysis April 18, 2009

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Marketing/Promotion,Star Trek (2009 film) , trackback

In the last week two new TV commercials have started airing in the US, and one in Germany, all of which are now available online. At this point most of what you see in commercials is from the theatrical trailers or previous TV spots, but there are some snippets of new stuff. View the new commercials below, with our usual caps and analysis.

 

 

TV Spot 6
This commercial started running earlier in the week. It has no tagline, and another rock n’ roll soundtrack. There are a few new bits (see caps & analysis section below)


[CLICK TO WATCH at Facebook] [also on official Star Trek site]

TV Spot "Fate of the World"
This commercial just started running and pushes the stakes of the new Star Trek. It is one of the better commercials so far. [see caps & analysis below for what is new]

German TV Spot
This 20 second spot gives you a sense of the dubbing but it almost entirely previously seen shots.  [see caps & analysis below for what is new]

 

Screencaps & analysis
[SPOILERS]

Click images to enlarge

TV Spot 6


Kirk on Delta Vega
[highlight inviso-text for more: meeting Elder Spock for first time]


Kirk gets a running start to take a leap on board Narada


Spock briefs the crew


Kirk and Sulu fire on Narada drilling rig


Kirk running through bridge of Narada (phaser in hand)

TV Spot ‘Fate of the World’


Kirk warns Pike that crisis on Vulcan is a Romulan attack


Destruction on Planet Vulcan

German TV Spot


Kirk on Delta Vega (Scotty in background
[highlight inviso-text for more: saying goodbye to Elder Spock before beaming back to Enterprise]

More trailer analysis and details
And in case you missed it, check out our previous shot-by-shot analyses:

NOTE: numbering updated to match official Paramount scheme

(Video caps thanks to SalvorHardin00 and TNAlessandro)

Comments

1. Blackthorpe - April 18, 2009

This movie is going to be great. I can’t wait!

2. Tom - April 18, 2009

nice trailers..

3. Keith - April 18, 2009

YAY!!!!

4. Devon - April 18, 2009

^^ They were fine ;)

5. fwise3 - April 18, 2009

please everyone, vote for star trek in this poll: http://www.nationalamusements.com/

(its on the bottom, left-hand side of the page)

Awesome commercials btw!

6. JohnnyMoo - April 18, 2009

So did the cast watch the German dubbed version of the movie at the Berlin premiere?

7. Megg - April 18, 2009

Those were fun!

8. Andrew C - April 18, 2009

I just bought tickets for a Thursday 7 p.m. show. After reading about this movie on this site for years now, I finally have tickets.

9. Ian - April 18, 2009

TV spot #6 is badass! I can’t wait! These are all great!

10. Sprout - April 18, 2009

Got my tickets for Thursday show at 7 p.m.! Woo hoo!

11. Christine - April 18, 2009

The “Fate of the World” one is AWESOME!!!! Best TV Spot so far, I’ll say, and LOTS of unseen material. Squee!

12. Ian - April 18, 2009

@5 – Star Trek is getting pummeled by Wolverine in that poll! I did place my vote for Trek (of course) though! :-)

13. Ryan H - April 18, 2009

#12 – There are only 1100 votes total so far. I wouldn’t worry too much about it. ;)

14. Ryan H - April 18, 2009

I’ve noticed the first set of commercials were attention getters while these latest ones are promoting the story itself a bit more.

15. Dances With Klingons - April 18, 2009

Just re watched Star Trek Nemisis and it seems that what Picard’s clone set out to do is what Nero wants to have happen.
Also the Remis ship seems to be similar to the drilling rig.
Hmmmmmm….

Looks like The last Next Gen movie connects and is important after all.

16. Jeyl - April 18, 2009

Oh, no. Earth again? Come on! It’s not like we didn’t get that in the last movie.

17. USS TRINOMA NCC-0278 - April 18, 2009

SPOILER THEORY

The screencap that shows the destruction on Vulcan, if that planet is totally destroyed, this movie means that we are witnessing the beginnings of the 2ND EDITION of the Star Trek universe.

18. The Gorn Identity - April 18, 2009

I haven’t been this excited for a movie since Revenge of the Sith!

19. Bill Peters - April 18, 2009

I also have Tickets for a 7pm showing on 7th. Now that I have seen the new commercials I don’t think April can go by fast Enough!

20. strangelvoe - April 18, 2009

@ 5
lol look at the site again:-D funny how things change so quickly ;-D

21. Will_H - April 18, 2009

#17, yeah, it seems like if that’s true JJ’s trying to rewrite the Star Trek universe, which Im really not sure if Im cool with. Even with what happens in the countdown comics things change a lot, but that would be a bit much. Hopefully they find a way around it, though.

22. Fate Of The World - April 18, 2009

ANTHONY: there’s actually two ‘fate of the world’ variants both by SalvorHardin00 on YouTube…the 30 second version you posted and an almost 50 second variant…look in youtube search under “star trek tv spot” and select ‘today’ in the uploaded dropdown menu…there both in page 1 of search results

23. Jai1138 - April 18, 2009

@18 Agreed. (And I loved Sith; have a pretty strong positive vibe off this really unusual new film, too)

24. fwise3 - April 18, 2009

@20 Whoa! What happened!?!? Up has 21% and everything else is at 0%??? that makes no sense…

25. Aragorn189 - April 18, 2009

#22

I just checked out the 48 second spot. Its just TV Spot 6 slowed down. Unless there is different one. There were only two videos uploaded by SalvorHardin00 in the search listing you mentioned.

26. The Last Maquis - April 18, 2009

“So you Wanna Leave The Fate Of The World on the Kid’s Camaro?….That’s Cool”

27. Anthony Pascale - April 18, 2009

22.
if you are referring to this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7ReWVagSi4 that is the same ‘tv spot 6′ on facebook, but the audio is out of sync. If anyone spots that one on youtube or other embed let me know…Paramount will make an embed available on Monday probably

28. OneBuckFilms - April 18, 2009

17, 21 – I don’t know if you’re aware of this, but the movie IS taking place in a new universe spawned by certain events. It was detailed by the writers extensively in an interview with Roberto Orci.

Nothing is being overwritten, and I believe the Alternate Universe is mentioned specifically in the movie.

29. Sean4000 - April 18, 2009

These FX are going to kick ass on a whole new level!!!!!!

30. George - April 18, 2009

I’ve already got my ticket for the 7th of May

31. on board - April 18, 2009

I like this clip! it’s exciting!

32. Another Q - April 18, 2009

WoW!!! What a Turn-a-round. A couple of years ago
we were all scared to death this thing was gonna suck.
Now, we wait and salivate for the release. Already I know
I will see this movie over and over again, and impatiently
wait for the sequel…..

33. Aragorn189 - April 18, 2009

These look awesome. I already have my ticket for May 7th 7:00 pm. I’m itching to use it.

34. USS TRINOMA NCC-0278 - April 18, 2009

28. – It does not make sense. The episode “City on the Edge of Forever” and the movie – Star Trek: First Contact, tell a different concept. These scenarios involve going back in time to stop any alteration that would affect the future. Now, I understand Mr. Orci’s Quantum Mechanics theory. But, how is this movie different? Could this movie actually contradict the other movie and that episode? I need some answers. Can anyone help me on this one? Could the so called “red matter” has to do with this unique time travel scenario?

35. DGill - April 18, 2009

TV spot #6 is easily the best one. It’s exhilarating, edgy, and the music works perfectly with the action, unlike the Saliva ads that basically screamed, “Look at me! I’m Star Trek! But I’m not! Derr!” :D

Bring on May 8th!

36. Mark - April 18, 2009

#34– Just accept it as a movie and move on. Enjoy it, don’t try to fit it into any kind of reality.

Works for me.

37. spock - April 18, 2009

The spot just aired during the NASCAR race. Also, it has appeared during the Star Wars marathon.

38. TOG - April 18, 2009

I saw a new commercial on the cartoon network?

39. Wes - April 18, 2009

16. I know! You’d think half the characters were FROM Earth or something. Wait a sec…

40. Original Trekkie - April 18, 2009

Wolverine is a chick flick! Gimme a break. LMAO

41. TOG - April 18, 2009

The TV spot I saw less than hour ago is completely different than the two you mentioned here; 2 maybe 3 scenes I had not seen before.

42. Brad - April 18, 2009

So Vulcan really gets destroyed? That freaking sucks! Not to mention that it’s going to really have a big difference in canon when this “new” trek canon universe is compared to the old canon.

43. Robert H. - April 18, 2009

Everything I have seen, Star Trek is everything I have imagined.

44. Peter N - April 18, 2009

So Uhura likes Jack Daniels? That is not canon!!! By the 23rd century everyone’s tastebuds would have evolved to prefer either Kentucky bourbon or scotch, not that Tennessee whiskey. Yuk. Is that a marketing tie-in? It’s not going to work on me, I’m sticking to my single malts, thank you very much.

45. DGill - April 18, 2009

#44

Yeah, Jack Daniels doesn’t seem sophisticated enough for Uhura. I figured she’d be more of a Southern Comfort kind of gal. :D

46. Joel1245 - April 18, 2009

So does Kirk understand that he’s talking to an Spock from the future when he’s down on the planet surface? Anyone know?

47. Garry7 - April 18, 2009

I’m just wondering why I seam to be the only one that is shocked and angry that the planet of Vulcan is destroyed in this movie. Doesn’t anyone else find this the least bit upsetting?

48. DGill - April 18, 2009

#47

My brother doesn’t know about this, but he told me several times that Vulcan’s destruction would piss him off something fierce if it actually happened. Needless to say, I’m not telling him anything until he sees the film.

49. Ryan H - April 18, 2009

#47 – When the stakes are higher, it makes for a more dramatic and entertaining movie. No one would care if Omicron Persei VIII got destroyed.

50. Steven C - April 18, 2009

Yeeeah ..VULCAN getz obliterated… and were gonna get the BORG!! in Star TREK XII….. just watch…

51. USS TRINOMA NCC-0278 - April 18, 2009

47. If Vulcan gets destroyed, I will be upset. But there is nothing to do about it. I will still love the franchise.

52. Josiah Rowe - April 18, 2009

Garry7, we don’t know whether Vulcan is destroyed or not. The new ad certainly looks that way, but it could be misleadingly edited to heighten the stakes. There’s no sense in getting upset over something that might not even happen, when we don’t have any sense of the context.

53. Sprout - April 18, 2009

Like everyone else, I can’t believe they’re destroying Vulcan. I, on the other hand, am assuming that somewhere late in the movie, they manage to reverse its destruction through more time travel. Losing Vulcan is too big of a blow to the Star Trek universe.

54. AJ - April 18, 2009

Re: the death of Vulcan:

Why not display that there is real risk in the push to explore space? We could have the Borg assimilate generic bumphead planets, or show just how close to home a real threat can come. Here it’s WMD in the hands of one who’s gone off his noodle, and wants to kill everyone for personal reasons.

A ‘real’ threat of planetary destruction has existed on Earth for 70 years, and billions can be killed, cultures and history destroyed. The destruction of Vulcan underscores the true nature of the threat of Nero, and, as he heads towards Earth, shows JJ’s willingness to have him commit mass murder.

On the other side, our exposure to Vulcans after ENT has been quite limited:

Spock: “Amok Time,” “Journey to Babel,” and some references in other eps (“Immunity Syndrome,” the “Surak” ep, + references to history and culture) and films (ST I, III/IV+ forgettable references in V). Spock still gets his Kas-Wan’ from TAS.

TNG: Sarek and Spock, who live anyway, plus assorted background characters. “First Contact” occurs pre-ENT.

DS9: Background

VOY: Tuvok may yet be born.

Thanks to DC Fontana, Spock’s Vulcan background was much more well thought-out in the sixties, and Vulcan was well imagined by novel writers in the Pocket Golden Age.

Vulcan’s destruction will not destroy the species. It will create a diaspora of a species with hundreds of years of spacefaring behind them, and full records of their own history and identity. Lots of potentially great stories await.

And I haven’t seen the film. It’s still “what if?” for me.

55. Joel1245 - April 18, 2009

You have to admit though, AJ, that it totally messes with continuity. I realize that this is for a new generation that knows nothing about Star Trek, but destroying Vulcan would be like like watching a Superman movie and having Krypton explode.

Oh wait, bad example.

56. RD - April 18, 2009

#34, This movie is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than those episodes. First, that movie and episode both used totally different methods of traveling through time than is applied here, methods which Orci doesn’t address, and despite Orci’s string theory are totally speculative.

Second, however we got to this rebooted alternate universe, nothing is the same here. Whatever happened in the “prime” universe canon does not apply here at all, regardless of what anyone says to the contrary. It has not applied from the beginning and therefore does not offer any explanation as to why those things from the prime universe don’t apply. BECAUSE THEY DON’T CARE. The whole point for this story was to rid themselves of the baggage created over 40 years and ultimately doomed the franchise.

Leonard Nimoy’s Spock is the last connection to it and once he’s gone, so is 40 years of concrete canon carrying the franchise to the bottom of the river.

Finally, only those who have seen the film know if Vulcan is completely destroyed. And if it is, the possibility remains that this new crew can travel back in time to save it. BUT, even if they save the timeline, they only restore the alternate universe, NOT the Prime universe. These new characters will still be living in a brave new universe that was dramatically altered by Nero’s first incursion into it. Your kids will still argue one day that James Kirk was a rebel without a cause who assumed command of the Enterprise on his first unofficial mission, and which was the real James T. Kirk, Shatner or Pine.

57. DGill - April 18, 2009

#49, #51

I think the destruction of Vulcan actually stays true to the principle of Star Trek acting as a parallel to what’s happening right now. It would be a massive blow to canon, but we know all too well (historically) that we can get hit where it hurts and when it’s least expected.

58. AJ - April 18, 2009

55:

Joel1245:

If it were up to me, Vulcan would survive. I loved the remastered TMP and “Amok Time” and all of that, because Vulcan-centric eps were always the best of Trek.

It had the most thought-out history in the early days, and our boy Spock was from there. We identified with his human half, but his nature drew us to the Vulcan side to understand his conflict. And “Trek” delivered with TOS and TAS, and created a rich tapestry which fans went with. The films expanded on it, books were written, and ENT actually added qualitatively to the role of Vulcan in “canon.”

I disagree with RD that we’re going to the ‘bottom of the river,” as Vulcan’s entire history, that which we know from canon, is left mostly intact. I accept the new continuum, and look at it as a possibility for new stories ahead.

59. S. John Ross - April 18, 2009

#56: “… 40 years of concrete canon carrying the franchise to the bottom of the river.”

I should preface this by saying that I dislike canon. I, too, consider it baggage. I think obsessing over it is creepy; I think caring about it it something I’ve only ever done when I’ve been paid to. I’m not a canon guy; it would be fair to call me anti-canon. Stick to the spirit of the thing, I say. It’s about characters, not minutae.

That said, I think it’s absolutely ridiculous to let the existence of canon shoulder any of the blame for the doldrums the Star Trek franchise descended into, especially when larger, more clear-cut culprits are plainly visible. VOY, for example, did it’s own thing to “escape” canon … it launched its crew into an entirely different quadrant, where the old baggage need not apply … but what went wrong with the show had nothing to do with what canon it avoided or what scraps of canon it carried along. The problem with VOY was lazy, safe writing designed to keep Paramount from getting nervous about its gajillion dollar franchise, and like every other attempt to keep a franchise going by being safe and lazy, the result was el crapola. Similarly, lazy, safe writing was the problem with some of the TNG seasons, some of the weaker spots in DS9, most of the Star Trek movies of every vintage, and … I didn’t watch ENT so I dunno; maybe it was awesome.

Crappy writing and play-it-safe showrunning is what shot Star Trek in the head. Whether it did so with a phaser or a … canon … is really immaterial, I think.

Real-world history is a million times more complex, more detailed, more well-documented than Star Trek canon, and writers continue to write new, compelling, relevant and exciting stories set against the backdrop of the real world. Canon is a bag of rocks, but it’s a powerless bag of rocks … a story is only encumbered by it when the writer decides to drag it into things (or, perhaps, is just too dumb to let it go … you don’t actually have to smash it, melt it down or bury it … you can just choose not to let it be a problem).

“Your kids will still argue one day that James Kirk was a rebel without a cause who assumed command of the Enterprise on his first unofficial mission, and which was the real James T. Kirk, Shatner or Pine.”

Lately I’m leaning toward Cawley :)

60. DGill - April 18, 2009

#59

“Lately I’m leaning toward Cawley ”

Was that a joke?…LOL…I’m sorry, but Cawley’s Kirk is downright horrible. I admire the determination he puts into that show, but I need to take a mouhtful of Tums before I can stomach his performance. :D

61. darrksan - April 18, 2009

15. Dances With Klingons – April 18, 2009
Just re watched Star Trek Nemisis and it seems that what Picard’s clone set out to do is what Nero wants to have happen.
Also the Remis ship seems to be similar to the drilling rig.
Hmmmmmm….
Looks like The last Next Gen movie connects and is important after all.
—————————————
True
The Romulan things in ST09 they are out of Nemesis and Picard’s clone set out to do is what Nero wants to have happen.
It seems to fit seeing that this movie is a Sequel to Nemesis (just read countdown). ST09 is Star Trek 11, story wise.

—————————————————————————————-
58. AJ – April 18, 2009
If it were up to me, Vulcan would survive. I loved the remastered TMP and “Amok Time” and all of that, because Vulcan-centric eps were always the best of Trek.
——————————————–
Well,
The Vulcan world in ST09 has a blue sky with white/orange clouds.
The Vulcan world in past star trek has a orange/red sky with white clouds.

Why do I feel that in Star Trek 12 that the Vulcans will find a new world with a orange/red sky with white/orange clouds and with call it, “Vulcan”.

62. AJ - April 18, 2009

59:

A great point, often debated here. ST writers kept trying to escape canon with remote space stations and new quadrants. But ST always attempted to come back when ratings sagged: Worf on DS9, The FC Borg in VOY. It only worked in season 4 of ENT, whery Manny Coto and Brannon Braga went back into the TOS mythos to create compelling prequel stories.

63. S. John Ross - April 18, 2009

#60 asks: “Was that a joke?”

Yes, it was.

But it’s a joke with a point: for all his awkwardness (and over-seriousness, and flat-out refusal to enunciate, etc), Cawley’s visible and genuine love for the character, and for what the character means, is something I will need to see in Pine before I put Pine even in _Cawley’s_ league, let alone Shatner’s.

I’m not saying Pine hasn’t got it … I haven’t seen the new film yet, so I don’t know yet. But I’m saying that Cawley has already demonstrated it, and (for now) that makes him the one man on Earth with any real claim to be doing Kirk any justice at the moment.

64. S. John Ross - April 18, 2009

#62 sez: “A great point, often debated here. ST writers kept trying to escape canon with remote space stations and new quadrants. But ST always attempted to come back when ratings sagged: Worf on DS9, The FC Borg in VOY. ”

Exactly so. I would propose, specifically, that returning to the bosom of canon when the ratings sag [wow, there's an unfortunate bit of accidental metaphorical imagery] is an example of lazy (or desperate) showrunning, rather than damage that can be blamed on canon itself. Canon is just the nipple they’re diving for, rather than the culprit. Had they been writing a thrilling show to begin with, those ratings would still be perky and bouncy and filling out a sweater nicely.

“It only worked in season 4 of ENT, whery Manny Coto and Brannon Braga went back into the TOS mythos to create compelling prequel stories.”

I’ve heard many fine things about S4 of ENT; I really do mean to sample it more one day. So far I’ve only seen the one story from it (the Babel arc), which I watched for entirely selfish reasons and frankly was only barely paying attention to the story …

65. Kirk's Revenge - April 18, 2009

#16

Earth being threatened with destruction seems to be a continuing theme in the Star Trek movies:

ST1: V’ger threatens Earth.

ST2: Had Khan beaten Kirk, he would’ve most likely threatened Earth with the Genesis torpedo.

ST3: Ditto for Kruge.

ST4: The whale probe threatens Earth.

ST5: Shatner threatens Earth with his movie. (kidding)

ST6: This one is a bit of a stretch. Surely the possible war with the Klingons would’ve eventually threatened Earth.

Generations: Earth catches a break. Poor Veridian IV.

First Contact: The Borg threaten to assimilate Earth.

Insurrection: Earth catches a break again. Unfortunately, the audience doesn’t.

Nemesis: Earth is threatened by Shinzon.

Star Trek: Earth (and Vulcan) are threatened by Nero.

Star Trek XII: JJ Abrams and company threaten canon once again.

66. DGill - April 18, 2009

#65

I don’t know, Kirk’s Revenge. I, IV, VIII, and X definitely painted earth as the intergalactic “damsel in distress”, but II is a bit of a stretch. I know that Kruge would’ve done something like that, but Khan was just too far gone to be that ambitious. I think it was always his intention to die, but he really wanted to get Kirk first (or take him down with him). The other films never addressed the fact that earth was in immediate danger, but I suppose if you put it into that context, sure. Who’s to say “Insurrection” or “The Final Frontier” didn’t deplete the earth of a little ozone? ;)

67. Kirk's Revenge - April 18, 2009

#66

Good points. Maybe you’re right about Khan. He was pretty loco.

68. Jonathan - April 18, 2009

Just got my tickets for may 7th @ 7pm in IMAX. Also picked up 4 boxes of Kellogs cereal with star trek badges. Got the kellogs eggo pancakes with star trek warp plate send away. Found playmates Enterpise ship @ Walmart. Now I’m waiting for Burger King to come out with the glasses. This is so awesome to be excited about Star Trek again! This movie is going to destroy Wolverine in the long haul. I hope. This site just rocks.

69. EasterBunny - April 18, 2009

OMG I NEED to know what the music in the “Fate of the World” clip is called. Anybody know?

70. The Gorn Ultimatum - April 19, 2009

18 The Gorn Identity

“I haven’t been this excited for a movie since Revenge of the Sith!”

And what a load of crap Sith was – including the rest of the prequal trilogy.

This Star Trek comeback will wipe the floor with the George Lucas effortts of the past decade.

Star Wars is dead – LONG LIVE TREK !!!!

71. Valar1 - April 19, 2009

68

lol, you sir are awesome!

I got all the badges except the science one- and a buttload of cereal that I hate, lol
I sent away for 1 usb drive, 1 plate, 2 tee shirts, I also have all the 3 inch figures, the bridge, a phaser, and the ship. I still have a boatload of stuff to get, but man am I glad to be a Trekkie right now!

Oh, and I also got tickets on Fandango, for the 7th at 7! Woohoo! I’m really excited to be waiting in line with fellow Trekkies, haven’t done that since waaay back in First Contact.

72. cd - April 19, 2009

But Vulcan is a peaceful planet!

73. cd - April 19, 2009

#65 – And the Enterprise is the only starship in the quadrant! >;>}

74. Chris J - April 19, 2009

Regarding the destruction of Vulcan, I actually hope they have the balls to do it.

As #54 touched upon, there was never enough danger I felt in the Star Trek movies of yesteryear. Sure Shinzon mumbled “Set a course for Earth” or whatever, but it was such a token line that it didn’t even register. Going to destroy Earth are you? Oh join the queue.

Earth obviously was never going to be destroyed in any of the plots (a fact that the writers of Enterprise obviously hadn’t taken into account with the Xindi arc… “What do you mean Earth still exists in the future? Surely that would totally ruin the suspense of the entire season? Oh… it did.”), but Vulcan on the other hand… it is by no means a “throwaway” planet; but it *could*, be destroyed plot-wise.

I hope they do. Nothing really “big” happened in the movies; I mean the Praxis was just a small moon that no-one had ever heard of before. Veridian was saved in the end by His Shatness. Earth was only briefly threatened by the Borg in First Contact.

But Vulcan… even the general public know what Vulcan is, and the shock- and impact-value alone would be worth the abuse of canon.

Besides, isn’t this a new canon anyway?

75. cd - April 19, 2009

Chris Pine does look quite a bit like William Shatner in that ‘running start’ picture.

>;>}

76. JohnWA - April 19, 2009

Those clever DS9 writers have actually poked fun at the obsession over canon before (using the “sacred” Ferengi Rules of Acquisition as a foil for mocking purists). The dialogue between Gint and Quark in the “Body Parts” dream sequence was definitely aimed at overzealous fans.

“A bunch of us just made them up”

They also took a shot at Paramount over the show’s low production values and budget problems in the same scene.

“No wonder this place looks so tacky. I mean, the Divine Treasury? Please”

If you get all the little in-jokes and easter eggs, the Ferengi episodes are loads of fun. As Ira Steven Behr pointed out on one of the DVD commentaries, the Ferengi are supposed to be us. In the real world, it is the Federation humans who are the “aliens.” They don’t use money. They’re compassionate and honest. They’re not greedy and selfish. They’re all overachievers (doing calculus at age 12 and what not). They work purely to “better themselves and the rest of humanity.” Who are these people, any way?

77. cd - April 19, 2009

I think…JJ and Company wanted to do this alternate universe concept so they are not encumbered by canon. I undarstand that. They don’t want that as a distraction, the suspension of disbelief would be violated for people (even normal non-trek fans). So they make the new alternate universe, and even today’s non-trek fans get the concept of alternate universes, so they could accept it. By the same token, I think the destruction of Vulcan would be too big a distraction for people to get around. So they will probably tear Vulcan up a bit, but not destroy it.

I hope.

78. Colin - April 19, 2009

LOL. Nothing says “fate of the world” like a frantic choir…I really hope that’s from Michael Giacchino’s score, it’s a wonderful piece of music.

#74 : Yeah, I hope they have (or have had, rather) the balls to destroy Vulcan. That’s not just ‘shaking things up’. It’s, uh, Earth-shattering; and it’s exactly the right thing to do to introduce a strong sense of uncertainty into the film. No-one’s safe, therefore you care about them all. I think maybe some fans are hoping not to feel anything approaching “suspense” when they watch this movie…

I can’t wait anymore!!! (Okay, I can, but only because I have to…)

79. USS TRINOMA NCC-0278 - April 19, 2009

Vulcan being destroyed, I would really feel uncomfortable. I can accept the redesigned nacelles of the enterprise. I can accept with new actors playing our beloved characters. I can even accept the story paced setting being a little more Star Wars. But, the destruction of Vulcan, I cannot accept that. I understand the cosmetics changes of the movie to reflect 21st Century movie making, but Vulcan being destroyed is too much for me to handle. I HOPE I AM WRONG!!!

80. tranchera - April 19, 2009

i hope the theater is empty when i see it so i can jack off

81. USS TRINOMA NCC-0278 - April 19, 2009

I mean, look at that scene where Uhura was hugging Spock. Why was she comforting Spock on the bridge of the enterprise? Was she proposing to him? No. She was comforting him. Why? I really hope I am wrong. I do NOT want Vulcan to be destroyed!!!

82. Scott - April 19, 2009

to #34

I’ll enjoy the movie, but in the back of my the same question will still be there. Here’s an explanation I heard that set my mind at ease with any time-travel related story that ultimately makes no sense (*cough stargate sg-1 cough*). Essentially, one could argue that time is fluid (as Spock did in City on the Edge of Forever), and being fluid moves around in a complicated manner and is easily sent into a furor. Perhaps the fabric of spacetime is so complicated that one can’t predict what will happen when the timetravel. You could go back in time twice in the same manner, but each event may react different… splinter universe, changing something in your own timeline, canceling out another one, entering an existing one, etc.

I know it seems like crap, and well, it is, but maybe it can set your mind at ease. In a sense, I almost wish this were a total reboot with no connection, because will sequels, they are bound to do something to contradict the connection. I mean, can Spock presence really change that much? And shouldn’t the events of Star Trek Enterprise still be present? I’m sure those will be contradicted, so it may have been best to start anew in a brand new universe instead of one exactly the same UP TO THIS POINT…..

but ah well, I’m not going to let it bother me when I’m in the theater. Try to do the same!

83. USS TRINOMA NCC-0278 - April 19, 2009

Thanks #82 for the explanation. I will enjoy the movie. I really miss the original characters. They are the originals. Let’s hope JJ does not destroy Vulcan.

84. Spockish - April 19, 2009

I’ve seen 5 TV ads now, totaling about two and a half minutes. Have not seen a Movie trailer yet, but those are 2 to 3 minutes. It seems as if I’ve almost seen a movie trailer via whats posted here. I know I’ve saved at least as much as the movie costs. So you can look at it this way TrekMovie has paid for a free admition to the Star Trek Movie.

So thank Anthony for basically giving you a free ticket to Star Trek The Movie. I know he will not make what JJ does but he will be honored around the world with nearly as much honor and value by as (is it?) Trekkie or Treker they can give him.

P.S. I was first called a Trekkie back in the 70’s at Treker came from the Gen Y’s.

85. John Sullivan - April 19, 2009

#83 – “Let’s hope JJ does not destroy Vulcan.” Well, in part of the story by me called ” Star Trek: Fairy Tale” from a few years back graciously borrowed by the writers, Vulcan was all but destroyed about the time of Christ by the irony of ironies … Vulcan in its past was ruled by terrible leaders, worst of all the Emperor Sanel. Long story made very short, the event which turned Vulcan into an irradiated wasteland was in the time of Surak and T’Planahoff , in the days when in a foolish search for Unification Vulcans trusted the well-known distant cousins to enter orbit on a diplomatic mission. This led to a cultural vacuum which led to a fanatic misinterpretation of Surak’s philosophies up to about a generation before Spock’s birth. And Spock the idealist would later go to Romulus, with a new idealism that there really could be Unification, and boy, does the half-human ever feel emotion like ever before when he learns how foolish it is to try to call sharks angelfish just because they both have fins and swim in the ocean.

Just between you and me, I’m not hoping at this time that JJ doesn’t destroy Vulcan. At this point I’m hoping that JJ does not destroy Star Trek the way he apparently has already destroyed the well known vision when we hear hear the words U.S.S. Enterprise.

One can only wonder what will happen to the cherished model from the original series that is in the National Air & Space Museum once JJ is done dumping on it.

86. Quarksbartender - April 19, 2009

lalala Im not looking oh who am I kidding I cant get enough of this stuff cant wait for the seventh.

87. SciFiGeek - April 19, 2009

The various spoilers ive read says Vulcan does get destroyed and stays destroyed by the end of the film.

88. CmdrR - April 19, 2009

Pop the corn, fire up the projector… Let’s get this film on the screen!

89. ucdom - April 19, 2009

Slightly spoilery review of the movie in the UK’s Daily Telegraph this Saturday.

Really positive!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturecritics/markmonahan/5170975/Star-Trek-screening-report.html

90. ucdom - April 19, 2009

#80
LMAO !

You should try the theatre in Whakatane, NZ (which is pronounced Fokataanee). I got a personal viewing of the Simpsons Movie there a few years ago, when no-one else showed up. I didn’t take advantage of the situation in quite the manor you envision, I just put my feet up and didn’t feel self conscious about laughing out loud.

91. thereare4lights - April 19, 2009

You remember mirror universe episodes, right? Although it sounds cool, this film is not as much about time travel as it is about alternate universes.

92. Jim Smith - April 19, 2009

46 – in answer to your question, everything is explained at least to the satisfaction of this particular longtime fan and overly retentive continuity obsessive.

93. Jim Smith - April 19, 2009

91- Why can’t it be about both?

94. Jenni Generation - April 19, 2009

You know, presuming it doesn’t lead to *Vulcans* being removed or something (that is, they all get off before boomtime and resettle…somewhere), I love the idea of Vulcan being destroyed. It could bring up some really interesting plots, like just how you’d go about dealing with that, all sorts.

But then, I say the same about what happened to Gallifrey in Doctor Who (which very much did not save the species, and handwaved all continuity errors away as neatly as you could hope), and a lot of people disagree with me on that too, so maybe it’s a running theme with me ;)

Anyway, loving these trailers.

95. Eric Saussine - April 19, 2009

63.

“I’m not saying Pine hasn’t got it … I haven’t seen the new film yet, so I don’t know yet. But I’m saying that Cawley has already demonstrated it, and (for now) that makes him the one man on Earth with any real claim to be doing Kirk any justice at the moment.”

Having seen the seen the film I can tell you that if only one actor nails it in the new movie it is Chris Pine. He is definitively the most pleasant suprise in Star Trek. (And saty assured — most of them nail it)

96. BK613 - April 19, 2009

56
“40 years of concrete canon carrying the franchise to the bottom of the river.”

Everyone’s entitled to his/her opinion, but I think it was the A-story, B-story, stories-by-committee-with-a-wipeboard formulaic writing that doomed the later series to mediocrity.

As for THIS movie, really all that remains is to see if it’s Titanic the movie (oodles of money and success) or Titanic the ship (apparently unsinkable but resting on the bottom anyway.)

97. pizza - April 19, 2009

Just a curious thought.

According to (Star TreK) Bad Robot, Vulcan gets destroyed!?

According to (Lost) Bad Robot, you cannot change the past!?

98. Jay El Jay - April 19, 2009

Booked my tickets for the midnight showing of the movie in IMAX on the 7th May in Manchester UK!! WOOOO!!!

Anyone else going??

99. the eldar one - April 19, 2009

Vulcan won’t be destored, it just gets a little hole in its surface. The exploding Planet you see, might be a flashback of the destruction of Romulus according to the Countdown Story. And so far the only thing, we might get to see from the past 25th, in the rebooted 23rd Century. But hey, even if we don’t get to see Picard, Geordi or Data, there is a peace of them in the movie!

To all the people still being confused about what might happen on big theatre screen, stop worring! Read Countdown and bless Star Trek!

live long and prosper, jj made Star Trek a monument in time forever!

100. Jay El Jay - April 19, 2009

……. also, anyone else think that the guy in that outlander commercial looks like a Nero wanabe??

101. FreddyE - April 19, 2009

So far the dubbing seems to be okay I´d say. “Lass gut sein Schnuckelchen”…lol ;-)

102. Chris M - April 19, 2009

I just saw a tv spot that looked like a shortened version of one of the theatrical trailers and it still gives me chills when I see the Star Trek advertised on tv cause it means the movie is so close!

I also read a review today in The Herald Sun (Melbourne’s most popular newspaper) that gave Star Trek 4 1/2 stars!!

103. Val Jean - April 19, 2009

I was at Melbourne Central today (which is a shopping mall/train station) and the directory screens kept flashing up “Free Star trek Downloads, turn on bluetooth on your mobile”

Of course i turned it on, and i quickly got a file transfer request, and when i opened it, it was a 30 second trailer for Star Trek! Now i visit this site a lot, and i dont think its one of the trailers thats already been posted, can anyone confirm?

104. Rastaman - April 19, 2009

“Vulcan’s destruction will not destroy the species. It will create a diaspora of a species with hundreds of years of spacefaring behind them, and full records of their own history and identity. Lots of potentially great stories await.”

Really wished I hadn’t read the site today. Way too much information! That being said, I actually agree that this would be a positive turning point for Star Trek to have the planet Vulcan decimated.

Does anyone see the parallel now between a new Vulcan future and ancient Romulan history? With this kind of shared experience (the “diaspora”) perhaps Spock’s dream of unification between the species will draw closer in this universe … just a thought.

105. Krik Semaj - April 19, 2009

Trekkies give Star Trek a bad name.
Bunch of pedantic, minutia, obsessing goofballs.

106. pizza - April 19, 2009

Star Trek as we know it today, does NOT exist if not for

the pedantic, minutia obsessing Trekkies!

107. bugs nixon - April 19, 2009

I thought it was called “Raumschiff Enterprise” in Germany…?

108. section9 - April 19, 2009

To heck with the Vulcan thing!

What Abrams has thrown in is the whole Uhura/Spock relationship.

I mean, you know, Pon Farr?

109. Paul B. - April 19, 2009

96. BK613 – April 19, 2009
Everyone’s entitled to his/her opinion, but I think it was the A-story, B-story, stories-by-committee-with-a-wipeboard formulaic writing that doomed the later series to mediocrity.
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I agree, mostly. I also think late-Trek’s decline was due in part to the shift from “adventurers in the final frontier” to “suburban coworkers in a spaceborne office building.” With TNG, Trek shifted from the fists-and-frontiers of TOS to something–in my opinion–that more closely resembled “L.A. Law” in tone and style than “Star Trek.”

That, combined with your comments about the A/B-stories and writing by committee, helped doom Trek.

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97. pizza – April 19, 2009
Just a curious thought.
According to (Star TreK) Bad Robot, Vulcan gets destroyed!?
According to (Lost) Bad Robot, you cannot change the past!?
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What’s curious about that? You talking about two completely different, unrelated franchises existing in different fictional universes.

110. Selor - April 19, 2009

@107 The Original Series was indeed Called “Raumschiff Enterprise” and The Next Generation was Called “Raumschiff Enterprise: Das nächste Jahrhundert” beside this we used “Star Trek” too ;)

111. Dr. Image - April 19, 2009

#56 I’m glad you said it.
I used to make comments like that until I kept getting ganged up on time and again by all those who think canon is somehow a horrible thing. (Freedom of speech is fine as long as you say what they agree with.)
Nevermind that Trek has a 40+ year history of contiguous history, which is also carried through in the novels, and which makes it unique.
Now everyone seems to want “the flavor of the week.”
Not surprising, since attention spans have become so miniscule.

#105 Then why are YOU here? To enlighten the people you hate so much??

112. Jim Smith - April 19, 2009

108 – DC Fontana maintains that Pon Farr has been misunderstood by fans. It’s not that Vulcans can *only* mate during Pon Farr, they are just irresistibly to mate during it. Which makes more sense from a biological point of view anyway, means that ‘The Cloud Minders’ doesn’t contradict ‘Amok Time’ and is, she says, what they meant in the production office at the time it (‘Amok Time’) was made.

PS the movie is really, really good.

113. John from Cincinnati - April 19, 2009

Curious – How does Trek continue without planet Vulcan? From what was said, there is no ‘reset’ button at the end of the movie.

114. Selor - April 19, 2009

@113 Settle the Survivors on another suitable Planet? Could be an answer for the changing of a Blue Sky to a red one ;) Or just it is surface destruction resulting in the grave landscape and Vulcans we see later (in timeline) ;) Or whatever… you may desire to think about… ^^

115. Paul B. - April 19, 2009

113. John from Cincinnati – April 19, 2009
Curious – How does Trek continue without planet Vulcan? From what was said, there is no ‘reset’ button at the end of the movie.
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Um…is it really that difficult to figure out? Trek continues without the planet Vulcan by…continuing without the planet. Every story involving Vulcans on the planet will be different or gone (so when Spock’s pon farr kicks in, he’d have to track down T’Pring in space, if she survives), and some Vulcans may never be born (hopefully this includes Tuvok)

But Trek is the voyages of the Enterprise, not the chronicles of planet Vulcan, so IF the planet is indeed wiped out…Star Trek just goes on without it.

116. woot - April 19, 2009

Took the day of on May 8th so I can catch the showing on the 7th and 8th :), I’ll watch it many times in both IMAX and the theatre and collect the dvd/blue rays and await the sequel. I wonder what they will do in part 2? Mirror Mirror/Klingons/Khan, with the same team coming back, the sky is the limit

117. sean - April 19, 2009

#63

“But it’s a joke with a point: for all his awkwardness (and over-seriousness, and flat-out refusal to enunciate, etc), Cawley’s visible and genuine love for the character, and for what the character means, is something I will need to see in Pine before I put Pine even in _Cawley’s_ league, let alone Shatner’s.”

I find this notion that the actor has to have ‘love’ for the character they play truly bizarre. I’ve always based my opinion on the performance itself, not how much affection I think the actor has for the character. Otherwise, I’d have never like Shatner’s Kirk either, since he clearly had little love for it way back when (and it’s debatable whether he ever did).

Besides, I’d argue Cawley’s affection for the character hurts his performance far more than it helps. That’s the problem I see in most fan films – there’s so much reverence for fictional characters that no one can relax and make a role their own. It’s all about paying homage to someone else. No thanks, if I want Shatner’s Kirk I’ll watch my 79 episodes and 6 movies.

118. Commander K - April 19, 2009

I’M SEEING THIS 2MRO!!! cannot wait. I’ll bring back some non-spoiler gossip!!

119. thorsten - April 19, 2009

@81…
That is not the bridge, it is a more private place.

@82…
It all makes sense in the end.

@97…
Well, Daniel just returned with the sub in his ncool black Swan outfit, maybe he found the solution to break the loop during his three years in Ann Arbor…

120. the Quickening - April 19, 2009

#12.
Star Trek is getting pummeled by Wolverine in that poll! I did place my vote for Trek (of course) though! :-)

Why does that surprise you? If that’s not enough, read this over at Advertising Age:

http://adage.com/madisonandvine/article?article_id=136024

121. thereare4lights - April 19, 2009

@93: in the TrekUniverse, time travel implies moving in various points of a specific universe timeframe (like in First Contact or The Voyage Home). Both Picard and Kirk went back to their actual past, not an alternate one. This is different.

Also, are those the Vasquez Rocks collapsing on the doomed Vulcan?

122. Check the Circuit - April 19, 2009

Ad Age is written by a bunch of hacks that washed out of real marketing and advertising jobs. (IMHO, of course.) Pay no attention.

In spot #6, did anyone else hear touches of the Battlestar Galactic (modern era) theme? The piano notes and the vocal crescendo?

123. thorsten - April 19, 2009

@121…

Agua Dulce

124. the Quickening - April 19, 2009

#122

Wow. That’s painted with a pretty broad brush. I wonder if they would paint all TREKKERS as nerds, who live in their mother’s basement?

I wouldn’t easily dismiss Ad Age in this area. While it’s great that the new TREK film is getting good notices–so far, just because they built it well, doesn’t mean the masses are going to come. TREK has been around a long time, and produced way too much product to be so special that people are going to line up, just dying to see it. Franchises like Bond, SW and Harry Potter had the good sense to stay off television while producing movies. That way, it’s easier for them to build the film as an event. TREK hasn’t really been away all that long to excite anyone except it’s fans–some of which are not all that excited with what Abrams and Co. have done with TREK. Not saying I won’t see the film, but I’m not all that excited either.

125. Jim Smith - April 19, 2009

124 The buzz at the London press screening was excellent. That’s journalists, reviewers, tv people, professional writers. Some of them will inevitably, like me, also be actual fans, but most of us were just there for work. Yet the movie went down well with that audience and for this decades spanning fanboy too. I am completely convinced that this project will now work in the way the studio wants it to. But what do I know, I’m only someone who has actually seen the movie with an audience.. Star Trek with Kirk and Spock has been away a long time, the whole lifetime of a first time voter. It’s that ‘returning to the motherload’ element that will sell the movie to casual viewers.

126. matt_uk - April 19, 2009

i just seen my 1st billboard in the uk. got so excited i nearly crashed thru the wolverine one

127. S. John Ross - April 19, 2009

# “I find this notion that the actor has to have ‘love’ for the character they play truly bizarre.”

I, too, would find such a notion bizarre.

128. S. John Ross - April 19, 2009

#95 sez: “Having seen the seen the film I can tell you that if only one actor nails it in the new movie it is Chris Pine. He is definitively the most pleasant suprise in Star Trek.”

It’s always nice to hear good things. I remain sincerely hopeful (and as always, my real worries are about the script, not the cast, but Pine is the part of the cast hardest to get a read on from the trailers).

129. Jtrekker - April 19, 2009

Ummm, so am I the only one that has noticed that at the end of TV Spot 6 right after Nero yells “fire everything”, there is supposedly a torpedo that is fired from the Enterprise that hits the Narada, but in the last shot before the “torpedo” hits the Narada it just happens to look like Spock’s jellyfish ship? Maybe I’m crazy, but if that’s the case, isn’t this a HUGE SPOILER to put in a trailer. I know the ship could be remotely activated, but let’s be honest, I think it would be pretty clear that Spock would be on the ship. It is only “logical” for his character to sacrifice himself as such.

Just wondering, and since there are several who have already seen the movie, this just may be one of those things that hasn’t really been said yet.

130. the Quickening - April 19, 2009

#125

I was there with TREK when it originally ran on NBC in the 60s, and probably share your appreciation of Kirk and Spock. However, I doubt this will carry any water with the kids and a lot of the audiences today, who are really into “eye candy”, and could care less about them. At 150 million, this film will have plenty “production” for patrons to eye over. I hope it does well, but I’m more excited about Michael Mann’s Public Enemies, released later in the summer.

131. Pete359 - April 19, 2009

I really can’t imagine how Old Spock can travel back through time to save his 2nd BFF Kirk (the first being Bones of course) and NOT do anything to save Vulcan!!

So I think Vulcan is safe… it’s the logical conclusion.

Then again this film was created by the dudes behind “Lost” so who the hell knows?

132. thereare4lights - April 20, 2009

@129 I think it’s safe 2 assume both Spocks survive the movie.

@131 Logic fails

133. 4 8 15 16 23 42 - April 20, 2009

Four years of German in university, and… Ich habe kaum verstehen… zu schnell fuer mich. Sigh.

134. BLFSisko - April 20, 2009

I hope the “Fate of the world” TV-Spot will also be shown in Germany. The existinging german spot is kind of boring (compared to the others)

@133: Try to read it ;-)

Uhura: „’nen (~einen) Jack Daniels ohne Eis“

Kirk: „Der Whisky geht auf mich“

Guy in red Uniform: „Der Provinzler (~ someone from a small town or village) nervt sie doch nicht etwa ?“

Kirk: “Lass gut sein, Schnuckelchen!”

Pike: „Ihr Vater war 12 Minuten lang Captain eines Raumschiffs. Er rettete 800 Leben. (now in the picture:) Ich weiß Sie können mehr“

Kirk: „Festhalten!“

135. thereare4lights - April 20, 2009

@134 erm… und die translation?

136. BLFSisko - April 20, 2009

@135

My english isn´t that good, but I´ll try to translate:

Uhura orders a Jack Daniels without Ice and Kirk says he wants to pay (“Der Whisky geht auf mich” -> “the whisky goes on me”, but I don´t think one can say that in english)

The guy says something like: “The povincial/farmboy is annoying you, isn´t he?”

“Lass gut sein, Schnuckelchen”: Don´t ask me how to translate that.

The words of Pike are identical to the original “Your father was 12 minutes captain of a starship. He saved 800 lives. I know you can do better” (literally translated “mehr” means “more”)

“Festhalten” means “to hang on” or “to hold on”

137. Gaius - April 20, 2009

Kirk says “Schnubbelchen” not “Schnuckelchen”

138. BLFSisko - April 20, 2009

One addition:

I watched the german trailer once more: Kirk could also say “Schnuffelchen” or “Schnubellchen”, but I´ve never heard that before.

139. Gaius - April 20, 2009

I admit, it could be both, as the sound quality of the trailer is realy awful. However, the word “Schnubbelchen” exists. At least in some areas in Germany ;-)
But I don’t really care, as long as the film will be good.

“Schnubbelchen”, “Schnuckelchen” or “Schnuffelchen” could actually mean something like sweatheard or honey. In the context of the trailer it is however expressing Kirk’s disregard and that he is not taking the guy seriously.

140. sean - April 20, 2009

#127

I’m slightly confused by your statement in #63 then, John.

“Cawley’s visible and genuine love for the character, and for what the character means, is something I will need to see in Pine”

How about he just gives us a great performance?

141. Jim Smith - April 20, 2009

139 – in the English version he calls him ‘Cupcake’, obviously being sarcastic at the time.

142. Smike van Dyke - April 20, 2009

I’m German and I’ve never heard the word “Schnubbelchen” before. However I like it as some sort of weird neologism. To me, it feels a bit like talking to a rather chubby guy…Since I’m going to watch the movie at least ten times in German, I guess this word will soon become part of my active vocabulary :)

BTW: Why can’t we download the latest TV spots. Those three on YouTube (“This is Not Your Father’s Star Trek'”, “Fate of the World” and the German trailer) are quite nice. I’m a trailer collector and I’m really angry there is no way to save them…Has anybody got any download options for these three?

143. Mel - April 20, 2009

@ 142

You can easily download videos from youtube. You just need firefox and the add-on DownloadHelper.

https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/3006

144. pock speared - April 20, 2009

the destruction of fictional planets is cool. especially planets we’ve heard of, know well, admire, etc.

there was a time, ya know, when they KILLED SPOCK. somehow we, as a species of nerd-ass freaks, survived it. now we consider the event noble and important.

screw vulcan if it ups the ante of drama. perhaps the angry aghast folks would like a pleasure cruise through the alpha quadrant where nothing happens. like the last ten years of trek.

“if you don’t stop whining i’ll turn this shuttle around and we’re going right back to bermanville, where everything is condescending, boring and cheap.”

145. pock speared - April 20, 2009

…and great writers create great people (and planets) so that when they kill them, we care. unlike real life, where entire cultures are raped, nuked, starved and dismissed as enemies on a regular basis, while some of us just watch sci-fi and get fat in our basements.

anyone who is “outraged, just can’t accept it, etc.” at the destruction of vulcan should likely worry about the state of OUR planet a bit more, i think.

146. HesDeadJim - April 20, 2009

I am fairly confident that Vulcan will indeed be destroyed, but I’ll have to wait ’til May 7th to find out

If you piece together the events from Countdown, remember that Romulus has been destroyed…Spock suceeds in turning the Hobus supernova into a black hole, and after Nero goes apes*** and threatens the galaxy, they both get sucked in and disappear…

So in a sense, you have one planet (Romulus) obliterated in 2387, which is pretty earth-shattering in the ST universe…and then Nero and Spock pop out on the other side of the black hole (which makes no sense) in the 2250s? (I’m assuming Kirk was born in the 2230s, someone help me, I’m more familiar with TNG dates), Nero continues his rampage and blows Vulcan to hell, and apparently attacks Earth as well

I don’t know how Spock and Nero will be introduced in the film, but I really don’t think too many allusions to Countdown will be made, because Abrams and Co. cannot count on the entire audience having read the comics…in a sense, it’s kind of cool that this movie is a prequel to TOS and a sequel to TNG, but there’s no point in bringing this up if what they are really trying to do is clear the slate…

I seriously doubt that any attempt will be made to “fix” the timeline…in order to do that, someone would have to travel FORWARD to 2387 to stop Romulus from being destroyed, thus preventing Nero from going on his little planet-killing tantrum, and that would still be impossible

What I have thought, and I would appreciate anyones comments, is this:

If Spock (Original Spock) still exists, then that means that in some fashion, despite what happens in 2387, pretty much everything b/w the 2250s and the 24th century will go according to plan…otherwise, shouldn’t he cease to exist? Wouldn’t his memories of all of his past be radically altered? There is supposedly a point in the movie where Original Spock gets misty eyed and waxes poetic about his friendship with Kirk…if continuity gets completely clusterf***ed, then doesn’t that mean that Spock wouldn’t remember things as we have seen them play out?

I should really be working on my English Lit essay…oh well…priorities first!

147. HesDeadJim - April 20, 2009

#144…yes you’re right, but remember at the end of WOK they left and obvious “out” in case they decided to bring back Spock for another installment…if you read the movie reviews from back in ’82 (I am a Journalism major, so yes, I actually do this…Is phony major!!!), even the critics back then knew that ST II wasn’t the last we’d seen of Spock

So what I’m betting on is that Abrams can blow the s*** out of Vulcan, but leave some kind of loophole open to bring it back

It’s like Comic Book Death…you can kill Superman on every panel of every page and still bring him back next issue…that’s why I used to love writing short stories, you can do what you want within your own little universe and then give the reader a giant middle finger by undoing it in the next installment

ST is still a movie franchise, and if they are really already penning the script for the next film for 2011, then that means they have an idea of where this is going to go, so I wouldnt worry about it

On the other hand, if they pull some gay RDM crap from BSG and decide to have the Vulcans entire random coordinates and land on a new planet that they decide to call “Vulcan”, only it’s 150,000 years ago and Spock turns out to be an “angel”, then I will be ever so pissed….

148. !:) - April 20, 2009

#113 &#114–theres no reset button THIS film… but nothing says there won’t be one NEXT film…say the early entry of Carol Marcus and The Genesis Device? Only here the Genesis Device isn’t a terraforming device but a temporal reset device that can undo the destruction of Vulcan without ripping apart the space-time continuum…:)

149. pock speared - April 20, 2009

#147
i think you have a point there. always thought that last shot in WOK weakened the filmthough. still…

my take is “trust the writers”. b’orci & co. will get us out of this, somehow.

150. Paul - April 21, 2009

Can anybody finally explain this shit with Delta Vega? What Delta Vega? Why, of all planets in the Universe, it must be Delta Vega?

Writers, explain!

151. Dave in RI - April 21, 2009

Hmmm…..I wonder how Spock can handle the death of Vulcan, considering how he reacted to the “death” of the Intrepid….

152. thereare4lights - April 26, 2009

#150 Delta Vega it’s no planet. It’s Vulcan’s m00n.

153. Amy - April 26, 2009

Karl Urban’s expression in that briefing shot is totally DeForest Kelley. Something about the mouth. It’s uncanny.

154. Forrest - April 28, 2009

“Why, of all planets in the Universe, it must be Delta Vega?”

It’s called pandering.

155. Adam - May 8, 2009

Well, Vulcan’s a gonna…. I guess that one’s settled!

156. Kelly in MN - May 8, 2009

I just read all of this discussion history and I see a world I was unaware of. With all the discussion about the destruction of Vulcan, which I abhor the cavelier attitude in the movie about it, I don’t see any discussion on their use, once more, of time travel. Why, oh why, do they have to use time travel in every single TV show or movie of late. Can’t anyone come up with ideas that don’t require the use of that old tired story line. And why do they think they need to keep bringing back the old characters? If you’re going to jump-start Star Trek again with an infusion of new and better writing, why not do it new and with better writing. I’m disappointed in this movie and it looks like I’m the only one.

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