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2 New Star Trek Commercials [UPDATE w/ New Kelvin Clip & Screenshots] May 1, 2009

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Marketing/Promotion,Star Trek (2009 film) , trackback

The commercial blitz for the new Star Trek is just non-stop right now. Paramount has recently aired two specialized commercials. One touts the critical response the film has already received, and another is an ‘intro’ commercial targeted for kids. Both include some bits that haven’t been seen before, check them out below.

 

[update: new clip and caps added]

Critics Commercial
 
This commercial uses new rousing music (again not from the movie), and is interspersed with quotes from Newsweek, Rolling Stone, Access Hollywood and Film.com. The spot is clearly trying to build that ‘buzz momentum’ even before the bulk of the reviews start to drop next week. There are a couple of new shots, including Robau in the captain’s chair. 

Kid’s intro – Who’s Who On The Crew
The second commercial is running on Nickelodeon and is aimed at getting kids into the new Star Trek by introducing the characters. This version introduces Scotty, Bones and Kirk with clips from all three (including some new stuff). It looks like there will be other ‘intro’ commercials for more cast members. 

Chris Hemsworth Clip
Australian Chris Hemsworth was on an Australian morning show where they interspersed his interview with clips of him playing George Kirk. 

 

Screencaps & analysis

The following are the new bits in the commercials and the clip.

[SPOILERS]

Critics commercial


Kirk tries to find Uhura while McCoy tries to find the right injection


Romulan drilling rig under attack


USS Kelvin’s Captain Robau sees the Narada for the first time


Enterprise comes out of warp

Kids intro commercial


Scotty gives it all she’s got


Scotty working in transporter room


Kirk and Spock beam onto the Narada


McCoy scans Kirk (Chekov on screen)


McCoy tries to cure Kirk of giant hands and numb tongue





McCoy injects Kirk with various things

Hemsworth Clip


George Kirk in command of USS Kelvin


Alnschloss K’Bentayr works the controls on the USS Kelvin


Winona Kirk in Kelvin turbolift


The bowels of the USS Kelvin

About that LOST clip
Yesterday we put up a clip that was shown during Lost this week, however that clip was pulled due to a copyright claim so we removed the article. However, TrekMovie expects the clip to appear online officially soon, and when it does we will put up a new article.

 

More trailer analysis and details
And in case you missed it, check out our previous shot-by-shot analyses:

NOTE: numbering updated to match official Paramount scheme

Comments

1. Sallah - May 1, 2009

Sweet! I contributed to Trekmovie! Yay!

2. thenewK2 - May 1, 2009

Cool!

3. Ted - May 1, 2009

Im givin her all shes got Captn!!!!!

4. Thasc - May 1, 2009

That kids trailer had some great bits in it. And the critics commercial is possibly one of my favourites if only for ‘fencing…’ *music stops* *terrified look from Kirk*.

5. CAPAirSAR - May 1, 2009

“I Givin’ her all shes GOT Captain!”
YES!!!

6. AJ - May 1, 2009

I can’t find the critics’ commercial.

7. Vulcan Soul - May 1, 2009

My god… that so-called “kids intro” is so brain-dead I fear for the future of mankind…

8. 750 Mang - May 1, 2009

I dunno about the engine room. The rest of the ship is an Apple store but the engine room is the Titanic. Like they were going for a Galactica thing with it. Not sure it works.

I keep laughing at the McCoy stuff.

6 days…

LL&P

9. sean - May 1, 2009

Yeah, the video linked isn’t the Critics Commercial.

10. 750 Mang - May 1, 2009

“Stop it!” – Kirk

LOL!

11. m - May 1, 2009

The critics’ commercial seems to play an earlier commercial instead…

12. Selor - May 1, 2009

SCOTTY! Damn! He’s got it!

13. Capt. of the USS Anduril - May 1, 2009

Me neither…

14. DIGINON - May 1, 2009

Look for “Star Trek TV Spot 13″ on Youtube and you will get the critics spot.

15. Closettrekker - May 1, 2009

I saw the “critics” commercial somewhere, although I can’t remember what I was watching.

The commercial blitz has been really impressive. I can’t remember ever seeing this many for a Star Trek film.

It really hit me while I was watching the NFL Draft. This year’s draft got higher ratings than any MLB (non-World Series) or NBA playoff games in the past three years, so that should give some idea of how many were watching (at least the first day of the draft).

There were two ST09 commercials (one with the rock music, and one more conventional) running on NFL Network, and one of them ran during *every* commercial break!

I like this marketing campaign….it’s exciting!

16. Ian - May 1, 2009

Kirk is hilarious with Bones in those clips!

OWW! OWW! Stop it!

17. Geodesic - May 1, 2009

The Kelvin uniforms look like a mix of ST:Enterprise and ST:TNG uniforms.

18. simply - May 1, 2009

there’s another tv spot out there with kirk bumping his head on a bulkhead just like how scotty did in a previous movie. i saw it up here in canada a few days ago but i haven’t seen it floating around the internet yet

19. Can't Wait for May 8th 2009 - May 1, 2009

AH! STOP IT! Got love it. But I need to stop watching these clips or im not going to have any surprises left when I go see the movie next week. I actually like the look of the engine room. I just find it funny that it is the Budweiser refinery.

20. Christian - May 1, 2009

To get the critics commercial, just search ‘star trek tv spot’ on youtube and sort by newest.

21. catchupwiththesun - May 1, 2009

I’m sure they’ll do an update soon with the correct spot. but here’s the youtube link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aags9s23rc

22. jas_montreal - May 1, 2009

LOL…. I’M GIVING IT ALL I GOT CAPTAIN !!! lol, wonderfull…

23. Julio - May 1, 2009

I actually liked the Nickeloden spot… showcased some pretty funny bits!

24. The Original Spock's Brain - May 1, 2009

15. Closettrekker – May 1, 2009
“I saw the “critics” commercial somewhere, although I can’t remember what I was watching.” I saw it during American Idol on Wednesday.

25. I'm dead Jim - May 1, 2009

19. That would be a brewery not a refinery. ;-)

26. Sean - May 1, 2009

Great commercials. I was practically jumping up and down when I heard Simon Pegg yell “I’m givin’ her all she’s got, Captain!”, and it was great to see a bit of the humor that will be in the movie with McCoy running around stabbing Kirk with hypos for half the movie til Kirk finally says, “STOP IT!”. GOOD STUFF!

27. drapera - May 1, 2009

Karl “NAILED” being McCoy with the look he gives with the freeze frame title graphic. I understand the need to bring some of the actors own talents in…Mr. Urban seems to be WWMD!

(What Would McCoy Do)

Awesome!

I hate that I will be unable to see it opening weekend…Think of me as the all important 2nd weekend numbers shift..IMAX, of course.

28. Tony Whitehead - May 1, 2009

Nick spot is The Best So Far! This needs to blanket the networks in the final week. Brain dead or not, it’s plain fun!

29. Captain Quail Hunter - May 1, 2009

Where is Robau in the clip?

30. Can't Wait for May 8th 2009 - May 1, 2009

25. Thanks for the correction :)

31. EmperorPalpatine - May 1, 2009

Can someone please post the URLs of these videos, I can’t access the embedded videos, but I can get to it with the URL.

:)

32. Shatner_Fan_Prime - May 1, 2009

#28 “Brain dead or not, it’s plain fun!”

Brain dead? Yeah, that’s really what we’re all hoping for…

33. Michael M - May 1, 2009

The actual new tv spot is here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aags9s23rc

34. senwod - May 1, 2009

Pegg’s scotty almost made me scream like a 5 year old, but the engineering section set killed it. Hopefully that part of the enterprise will get a refit for the next film.

35. CAPT CRUNCH - May 1, 2009

WHAT IS UP WITH THAT ENGINE ROOM?! WAS THAT STEAM I SAW?…..
ANYWAY… SIMON IS AN AWESOME SCOTTY…:I’M GIVIN HER EVERYTHING…. IS THE MOST AWESOME LINE EVER…
LOOKS LIKE MCCOY WILL ALSO BE BRINGING A BIT OF COMIC RELIEF AS WELL…KARL HAS ALREADY SHOWN HIS ABILITY TO BE OUR NEW “BONES”….
STILL CAN’T WAIT TO “HEAR” CHEKOV….HOPE HE IS ON THE NEXT ONE!!!

36. Anthony Pascale - May 1, 2009

CAPT CRUNCH stop with the all caps…final warning

37. Anthony Pascale - May 1, 2009

I fixed the embed for the critics commercial…try it again, you may need to refresh your page

38. John from Cincinnati - May 1, 2009

I just watched both trailers and I saw no shots of Robau.

39. EmperorPalpatine - May 1, 2009

can someone post the URL of the Nick commercial?

:)

40. Kurt - May 1, 2009

Regarding the Lost clip, something made me excited that I couldn’t put my finger on, so I rewatched it a couple of times on TIVO.

Up till this point, we have seen a steady dose of hip, modern trailers, clips, TV spots, etc. all with various music cues, rock and gituar riffs. For many of us, it hasn’t felt like “Trek” yet.

However, what I realized on the Lost clip is that for the Delta Vega scene, there was that eerie hum in the background that was always played on planets in TOS. I gives a kind of subconscious, otherworldly, alien feeling.

It was the most “Trek” like aspect yet for me. Small point, but it got me very excited.

41. drapera - May 1, 2009

Anthony,

Thanks for the fix.

BTW, I just wanted to say thanks for all the work you and your team have done for us with this site. Over the last couple of years, you have been our guides, our protectors…and our friends*.

(*STVI teaser trailer…)

LLAP

42. Can't Wait for May 8th 2009 - May 1, 2009

#39 here is the URL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzIlYoIYKSQ

43. Jon - May 1, 2009

I love the engine room, you know I figure the engine room on a starship capable of FTL is going to be pretty damn complicated, it might be a little too low tech in look and style but hey, better than the one man closet room that was engineering on the E-D!

44. That Nutty Fanboy - May 1, 2009

Wow.. at the very beginning.. do I faintly hear the classic three note theme from the Star Trek intro? Oo

45. Billman - May 1, 2009

Hmm. Only 6 more days to go, and I’m thinkin I may have to stop reading these comments til then. Already people are saying things like “I don’t wanna give anything away, but there’s a funny reason why so and so is doing what they are in the trailer” etc… and I don’t wanna go to the film looking for why something is gonna be funny every other scene.

46. Ensign Ro- (short for Roland) - May 1, 2009

I kind of wish I hadn’t watched the Kid’s Spot…it was awesome! Scotty’s famous line…the hilarity with McCoy and Kirk. I’ve been sooooo controlled as far as what spoilers. I’ve actually avoided entire articles here at this great site. And if you knew me, you’d understand how freakin’ difficult that is for me. But as May 8th gets closer it gets harder and harder. I haven’t been this excited for a movie premiere since TMP! Bring it on…may Trek live long and prosper!

47. Homeworld - May 1, 2009

#25: “That would be a brewery not a refinery.”

Ordinarily, yes, but #19 was referring to Budweiser. That stuff seriously needs to be refined.

48. The Baron - May 1, 2009

Haha! Thos shots of McCoy constantly jabbing Kirk in the neck with a Hypo until he says “STOP IT!” were priceless!

49. JoBlo - May 1, 2009

I’m suddenly getting nervous that I’m not going to like this movie.

I’m hearing some of Kirk’s line’s lately, like yelling at Bones to “stop it.” And I’m just dreading those things. Numb tongue for god’s sake! The adventure looks great. The star trek looks exciting but the baseless humor seems — baseless.

I’d like a commercial with Nimoy.

After all the anticipation and years on this site I guess I’m worried I won’t like it and be devastated.

50. cdp - May 1, 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK3Rv_fVI9o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzA2F0l98cY

Here are a couple links with new footage of chris hemsworth.

51. Tony Whitehead - May 1, 2009

32.

I was referring to #7′s post in my brain dead statement. and yes, it’s still a great spot that should be retooled for the masses.

52. OR Coast Trekkie - May 1, 2009

What’s brain dead about the kids scene? People bashing that clip obviously have never dealt with children before.

53. Nathan - May 1, 2009

“My god… that so-called “kids intro” is so brain-dead I fear for the future of mankind…”

Word…

Fortunately, it’s also got the most and best new footage we’ve gotten in a while. For that, I can endure the “Hey Kids! It’s Scotty! He’s Fan-tabulastic! Check out our! New Movie! Soon! It’s got Explosions! Seriously!” style of narration and production.

54. Capt. of the USS Anduril - May 1, 2009

Kirk getting annoyed with McCoy’s constant medical attention is CANON. How many times did Bones have to strong-arm Jim to report for his physical?

55. Jeremy - May 1, 2009

#50

Thanks for those clips with Chris – although the scenes they showed were brief, they looked fantastic – cannot wait!

One question – was that Majel Barretts voice of the computer at the end of one of clips saying that autopilot was offline?

6 days!

56. Andros - May 1, 2009

I have to stop coming here because I feel like I’m not going to enjoy the movie if I keep seeing bits and pieces of it. I guess I could also stop clicking on videos, but that’s MADNESS!

Seriously, no more new footage please.

57. Shatner_Fan_Prime - May 1, 2009

Harping on that kid’s spot is silly. That’s the way everything is presented to the saturday morning cartoon crowd these days, and personally, I’m happy that the studio is reaching out to future Trekkies. Star Trek has rarely enjoyed serious youth appeal. It would be a nice development if kids turned out to like it.

58. CmdrR - May 1, 2009

FINALLY!!!!!!!

Spock’s delta shield is on the left side!!!!

NOW I can go see this movie.

59. Danpaine - May 1, 2009

Speak for yourself, Andros.

Seriously, more new footage please.

60. Ryan O'Brien - May 1, 2009

Yeah I loved what I saw in the kid’s spot but wish I saved it for theaters. Oh well, not I’m not gonna laugh there too!

61. Tox Uthat - May 1, 2009

“Numb tongue.”

“STOP IT!”

JJ: You’re killing me!!!!!!

62. Valar1 - May 1, 2009

50

Thanks for the clips of new footage. It’s interesting that the engine room of the Kelvin seems even more primitive than the Brewery shot of Enterprise, I wonder where they got that location, an abandoned mine? And I thought only my local newscasters were cheezy, but it seems to hold true “down under” as well, lol.

63. Capt. of the USS Anduril - May 1, 2009

Man, that’s the last thing you want to see when you’re trying to do something ultra-heroic but save yourself in the process: “Auto-pilot is offline. Manual override only.” “Well, I’m boned.”

64. Karl - May 1, 2009

Just uploaded the first two pages of my alternate universe comic Star Trek: Endeavour http://joshington-comics.blogspot.com/2009/05/ste-1.html

65. Selor - May 1, 2009

5 Days counting down! 6th of May, 8 PM, Wuppertal CinemaXX ‘Männerabend’

66. Jorg Sacul - May 1, 2009

PG-13… I’m going to the late show, to miss the kiddies hopefully.

67. Andros - May 1, 2009

@59
I am, that’s the whole point of a comment. Must…not…click…avert eyes!

68. The Original Spock's Brain - May 1, 2009

On Friday, May 8, 2009, a group of us (fans and newbies) is going to see the it at the Edwards Marq*e IMAX, 7620 Katy Freeway, HOUSTON, TX (the 9:55 p.m. show on IMAX). You’re welcome to joins us.

I’ll have “Trekmovie: Houston Chapter” sign or something to help you find our group. You can contact me through my website.

69. Daoud - May 1, 2009

#62 Actually, the Kelvin looks like a direct descendant of the NX-01. I can buy that, since it’s 2233, and the movie takes place about 2260-something.

70. Phil 123 - May 1, 2009

Good Scotty clip. Didn’t really get to see him in his element in the “exciting” and “towel?” clips, good as they were (esp “towel”) but in the engine room is where he belongs, also good to see he’s not being played as an idiot for humor. Well done Pegg!!

Loved the “stop it!” thing, really looking forward to Pine’s Kirk. I think I’m going to like it.

Also can’t wait to see the Kelvin in action, looks like a “tough little ship” with a good captain.

71. Planet Pandro - May 1, 2009

#65 its my experience that you can get the same results in doing the exact opposite…I go to movies as early as I can. I’m seeing ST at 10am on the 8th…I bet there won’t be more than a handful of people. My brother and I saw The Dark Knight opening day at 9:30am last year and there were maybe 8 people in the whole theater. I went back w/ my wife for the night showing and the line was horrendous…we were lucky to even sit together!

I hope this rings true, so I can avoid all the mayhem and see the movie without people talking to each other, on cell phones, kids running around, etc.

72. bgiles73 - May 1, 2009

Scotty’s looks like he’s running the biggest still in the galaxy. No wonder he’s always got a drink for those special instances where a little insobriety save the universe! “It’s green!” No doubt!

73. Captain Quail Hunter - May 1, 2009

That has to be Engineer Olson falling from the Rig screaming.

74. Dradis - May 1, 2009

How old are the people on this site? These clips look appealing to a young teen…maybe. To adults it looks like pandering, gratuitous fluff.

75. galaxypest - May 1, 2009

OFF TOPIC: I just wanted to get this in.
About tonitght’s premier.. I have been to the Mann’s theater
many times,and front and center are the star trek “imprints”
I think a photo of the new cast , hands in prints,
would be priceless..

76. JB - May 1, 2009

Based on the look of that Engine Room, Pegg should be shoveling coal into a boiler when he delivers that (in) famous Scotty line.

77. Dr. X - May 1, 2009

The hypospray bit is going to be excellent!

78. James - May 1, 2009

The new engine room sucks, can it get any worse. Are there really alien mice on wheels inside the warp nacelles too?

79. Aaron - May 1, 2009

I won’t be watching any more clips. Some of the video (from post #50) shows WAY too much from one scene. This needs to be watched on IMAX which is exactly where I will be on the night of the 7th.

80. Closettrekker - May 1, 2009

#73—Some of the clips are pieced together in trailers with the *intention* of courting young teens and specific demographics that traditionally purchase more movie tickets than others.

But in answer to your question, the people (at least those who post comments) range in age from about 15-60 from what I can tell. I’m not as old as some, but certainly not a young teen (I am a child of the 70′s).

I suppose I am not clear as to when it suddenly becomes inappropriate to be attracted to fun movies….30? 40? 50?

81. LordCheeseCakeBreath - May 1, 2009

#40 My thoughts exactly!

I can’t wait until this comes out on DVD. Some talented basement geek will do a Kirk vs. Kirk battle. Prime vs Alternate. Not unlike the Kirk vs Picard edit. I can’t wait!

82. LordCheeseCakeBreath - May 1, 2009

The Engine Room is a bit dumb. The original engine room looked more advanced. That was with a cheap budget!

83. Dradis - May 1, 2009

#80; To Closettrekker:
It’s never inappropriate to be attracted to fun movies.
I just don’t approve of taking a serious, albeit action/adventure franchise and turning it into a lowest common denominator, whizz-bang, hollow endeavor.

Star Trek has always been aimed at the intellect first, and the action secondarily. TMP and TWOK are still the best examples of this. From what I can see in these new clips, it is apparent that Mr. Abrams was never a fan of the original and has made that very clear in his interviews and his interpretation of this classic series.

I may be wrong, and believe me I will be pleasantly surprised if I am. So far I see no evidence of this film surprising me. Special effects are only candy for the eyes. The meat and potatoes is in the story, drama and suspension of disbelief. Star Trek was and should always be about the evolution of the human spirit and how we overcome our own faults and demons with elegance and grace in the pursuit of harmony. This interpretations seems bent on flash and comedy to make an enjoyable diversion, but hardly worthy of substantial meal.

The Phantom Menace failed when it became too similar to Star Trek with scientific explanation over spirit. This film looks to fail as it more closely mirrors Star Wars in the style of action/fantasy over science fiction.

Star Trek is not Galactica (old or new). Star Trek is not Star Wars. Star Trek is a classic in its own right on its own merit. I’m sorry it wasn’t handled properly in the last few films, but that doesn’t mean it needs to be rebooted. it just needed a visionary who understood the themes and could deliver an interesting story.

84. RetroWarbird - May 1, 2009

Something about seeing Bones unrelentingly jamming hypos into people’s necks makes me giddy with anticipation!

“You got numb tongue?”

85. LordCheeseCakeBreath - May 1, 2009

#74 I’m 32

86. Jay - May 1, 2009

They’re delaying the premiere of Star Trek in Mexico due to Swine Flu.
Hope the movie still does well despite the level 5 warning and We get to see more Star Trek movies based on the success of this one.

87. galaxypest - May 1, 2009

26, thursday shows, 2 IMAX, in Uah “SOLD OUT!!!
“IT’S EXCITING!!!”

88. Star Trackie - May 1, 2009

#74 “To adults it looks like pandering, gratuitous fluff.”

..speak for yourself. To this adult, it looks FUN. Something STar Trek hasn’t managed to be since 1991. Bring it!

89. Closettrekker - May 1, 2009

#83—”Star Trek has always been aimed at the intellect first, and the action secondarily.”

I’m sorry, but I have to dispute that. I know that this is how many fans have shaped it retrospectively, but when you take a closer look at TOS—it was about 70% pandering action/adventure material and 30% substance.

There are, of course, examples of episodes with the underlying feel of a morality play, but just as many (if not more) examples where the story only serves to place the heroes in situations where they have to fight, etc.

The notion that “Star Trek has always been aimed at the intellect first, and the action secondarily” is conveniently revisionist, IMO.

It seems to me that, in many ways, the story and character-style in ST09 appears far more like TOS than any of the spinoff series and films.

Star Trek was and is about a vision. It is an optimistic vision of a possible future for Humanity in which Mankind does not destroy itself, but instead unites to conquer the social ills which plague us today and to explore the final frontier. Not only have the current caretakers of Trek repeatedly pointed to this as something which is crucial to maintain, but I have seen no evidence that this vision has in any way been abandoned in favor of something else.

90. tauntme - May 1, 2009

83.

You seem to give Star Trek some insane importance that’s missed on the majority of the people. Star Trek hasn’t always been aimed at the intellectual first. No matter how smart you think you are. Star Trek’s always been about the most amount of viewers. It’s about ratings and it’s about money.

Your elitist attitude is unbecoming and completely wrong for a Star Trek fan. Get a grip.

91. Star Trackie - May 1, 2009

#50 cdp- thanks! That Kelvin footage was rockin’!

92. Dradis - May 1, 2009

#83
I do not think i am smarter than anyone else. I speak for myself. My interpretation of Trek has always been theme and moral first, action and eye candy second. Even the first pilot was considered “too cerebral” by the network…hence the WNMHGB revision. This version had a bit more action but was based on a parable and morality first.

I am in my 30′s too. I should not judge this film yet, but from what i can see in the trailers and Nickelodeon spots, it look like a reinterpretation to sell the most tickets. I make movies myself so I appreciate that fact. Not everything in life should be motivated by money and sales especially where art is concerned. If Star Trek (the original) was trying to teach us anything it was exactly that…..harmony and intellectual pursuit over monetary gain.

In closing, if you don’t consider film art then your thinking is in alignment. If you never got the message that Trek was speaking of all these years then making money is a prime motivator in your life.

93. tauntme - May 1, 2009

92.

Oh I got the message. It was hard to miss it when it was spoon fed to the viewers.

You think Star Trek was smart? Get real. At best, it was a fairy tale about morality, a very thin veil that covers the rest episodes that isn’t “intellectual”.

94. Star Trackie - May 1, 2009

#89 “It seems to me that, in many ways, the story and character-style in ST09 appears far more like TOS than any of the spinoff series and films.”

Absolutely right. Closettrekker speaks the truth, we hear his words.

95. Capt. of the USS Anduril - May 1, 2009

Excuse me, TOS was aimed at the intellectuals? “Brain and brain, what is brain?!” And where was the intellect in “Trouble with Tribbles”? Seriously, not all of Star Trek was intellectual. Especially not TOS. This new movie looks like fun on the bun, and I look forward to many more adventures with JJ’s version of Kirk, Spock, McCoy, and the Enterprise.

96. Captain Hackett - May 1, 2009

From the youtube link in no. 42, you will see Captain Robau in 21 seconds of video clip.

97. SHCone - May 1, 2009

#89, folks. This is truth!

Making Star Trek some overly philosophical exercise is a gross bit of revisionism in its own right. Perhaps one more alarming than any cinematic reinvention.

This feels more like Star Trek than any subequent series, save maybe for bits of DS9.

98. Paulaner - May 1, 2009

Morality? I want a smart show to stimulate my intellect but, please, don’t lecture me about morality TNG-style. TOS was another thing.

99. Shatner_Fan_Prime - May 1, 2009

It’s almost time to rock out with our Spocks out!!!

100. anonymousTrekker - May 1, 2009

i wonder if we’ll get a little fan knowledge nod (and reference to ST II) and have whatever it is that Mcoy gives Kirk to make his hands and mouth get all puffy and numb turn out to be Retnox 5…
just a little teeny tiny wish on my part.

101. cpelc - May 1, 2009

I just got photographed with all of my Star Trek memorabilia for a piece in the local newspaper!

I’m going to make sure that I mention this site in my interview!

102. Harry Seldom - May 1, 2009

Kid’s angle is interesting. My son is excited, but says most of his friends are not. Let’s hope he’s wrong!

- Harry

103. Paulaner - May 1, 2009

Trek is getting some mainstream attention in Italy, too. Media, news, magazines and so on. Italy has always been quite indifferent about Star Trek, so I’m impressed.

104. Devon - May 1, 2009

That part where Kirk says “Stop it!” had my laughing! That was hilarious!

105. AJ - May 1, 2009

83/89:

Go find the initial release of “The Cage” with B/W footage and Roddenberry’s intro, or the 3rd season DVD release of TOS-R, where “The Cage” is the last ep.

The Roddenberry intro says it all. To paraphrase, he says that, to tell the stories he wanted to tell, he had to use an action/adventure format to convince the network that the show was like a Western set in space, a ‘Wagon Train to the Stars.”

Westerns were raking it in those days, so Trek was indeed conceived as an action show first, and a vehicle for ‘the message’ second. Just look at Kirk. A visceral fighter, ripped shirts, blood on his chin, etc.

I think TNG may have retconned “Trek” toward the ‘intellectuals’ in 1987 with TNG. As the Cold War was ending, it was all about diplomacy and reconciliation, and the advancement of mankind. It worked, for the most part.

106. Dradis - May 1, 2009

To all of you who perhaps never knew what Star Trek was about, please listen to its creator:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRWWfsFr24I

“…talk about love, war, nature, God, sex; all of those things that go to make up the excitement of the human condition…”

Remember, TOS wasn’t just to showcase special effects, it was to make people think and question. Women in charge, inter racial crew, acceptance of differences and human experience and expansion.

If you choose not to relate to this series as intended by the one who created it, then it is you who has reshaped it retrospectively.

And to #90, you have missed the intent and point of everything Star Trek was trying to say about our potential as a species.

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108. Paulaner - May 1, 2009

#105 “I think TNG may have retconned “Trek” toward the ‘intellectuals’ in 1987 with TNG. As the Cold War was ending, it was all about diplomacy and reconciliation, and the advancement of mankind. It worked, for the most part.”

In my opinion, TNG had gone too far with that. The show had some shiny episodes (and I loved it) but in the end it ran out of fuel and it became stale. There are moments in life when you have to accept that a change is needed.

109. Dradis - May 1, 2009

#105
The point is, he had to convey the message of hope and humanity he wanted to tell in a more action/adventure vehicle. So that is to say, he worked the message he wanted to convey into something palatable for the masses. This is exactly my point.
The new movie looks to be all flash and no substance.

What message do you get from these trailers? That a wise-cracking smarta$$ is cool and one-liners and jokes go hand in hand with special effects?

The trailers are more concerned with JJ Abrams name than with the message the film is about.

110. Dradis - May 1, 2009

#108
I agree that it was getting a bit stale. Change is always a good thing and inevitable. Anything worth a damn needs to be treated with respect and care.
But instead of trying to add new spice to a long term relationship, this is more like ditching an older spouse for a younger fling. Don’t lose the quality for the packaging.

111. Paulaner - May 1, 2009

106

Dradis, I see your point but from a rational point of view I think that things have to change to keep staying alive. Trek had TOS, and it was fine. Then came Berman, with morality, utopian vision and so on. It worked but in the long time it ran out of fuel. Now, keeping the same Trek over and over again means suicide. Roddenberry is no more. Berman is no more. New writers have the right to embed their vision in new Trek.

112. Bob - May 1, 2009

35 – Yep, there was probably steam. I’d assume that things get hot in engineering. There’s gonna be water there, and hence steam. Would you rather that they stuck with the flourescent light tubes? I ALWAYS hated that. Loved the swirling in TMP that they re-vamped for Voyager’s, but neon?? Glad they got rid of that!

LOVED Kirk’s “Stop that!”

Already got my IMAX ticket! Can’t wait!

113. RD - May 1, 2009

ONE QUESTION:

WHERE ARE THE EWOKS!?!

… no Ewoks?

114. The Original Spock's Brain - May 1, 2009

#83 “Star Trek has always been aimed at the intellect first, and the action secondarily.” NOT!

115. frederick - May 1, 2009

112… in the spinoff shows they used a coolant, which if leaked, would eat the ski from your bones. Hope that’s not what we’re seeing! :)

Hopefully we’ll get a proper engineering room with warp core for the sequel. Maybe all this stuff is farther down below and we just haven’t seen THE “engineering room” yet.

116. Sid - May 1, 2009

#114: I’m with you. Also, I am well and truly sick of the endless pseudointellecutal pomposity that’s characterized the franchise (with the welcome exception of some of ENT) for the last 14 years of its run.

Looks like JJ’s fixed that.

117. mscottr - May 1, 2009

I’d have to say that Star Trek was about the spirit of adventure, optimism, and exploration first and foremost — intellect and action are both elements of that same spirit.

There is every indication that spirit lives on in this new film.

118. Closettrekker - May 1, 2009

What made TOS so great, IMO, was by no means Mr. Roddenberry’s input alone, but also those around him holding the leash and tempering what he wanted in many cases.

That not only included people like Gene Coon and great writers like Dorothy Fontana, but also the network executives…that’s right….I said it!

If Mr. Roddenberry’s wishes had gone unchecked, TOS would have been alot different. And I like it quite a bit better the way it is than if it had been more like his “do over” (which is how he, at one time, described TNG).

And for those of you pointing to various interviews with Gene Roddenberry (RIP) over the years, it is important to take his word only with a grain of salt, as he was a well-known embellisher of facts and retrospective revisioner of events and due credit for them. He would recall something a certain way one day, and then (10 years later) spin it in a completely different way when asked basically the same question.

Not a mortal sin, mind you (we probably all have an uncle like that), but just something to remember when trying to base a contention upon something the man said one day because he felt like it.
:)

119. The Original Spock's Brain - May 1, 2009

74. Dradis – May 1, 2009
“How old are the people on this site? These clips look appealing to a young teen…maybe. To adults it looks like pandering, gratuitous fluff.”

The commercials and trailers must pander. Marketing, to be effective, will target all possible consumers. These movies can’t be made with such high production values (with a top of the line cast and crew), if they can’t make a big profit. And all the related merchandise will help the bottom line too.

I’m 43, and I remember watching TOS and TAS starting at around 8 years old. I consider Trek a close personal friend who’ll always (I hope) be there, but I’m sophisticated enough to know it is a business and I realize when someone is trying to sell me something. If I ever had any doubts, the final 2-minute trailer, “James Kirk was a great man…” sold me. Because it emphasized what I love about Trek.

Most of the other ads are shallow, I agree. But just because it has action it doesn’t mean it can’t or won’t appeal to the intellect. And sometimes it’s okay to sit back and enjoy the thrill-ride.

120. Devon - May 1, 2009

#82 – :”The Engine Room is a bit dumb. The original engine room looked more advanced. That was with a cheap budget!”

It was a two level plywood set with buttons.

#83 – “Star Trek has always been aimed at the intellect first, and the action secondarily.”

HAHAHAHAHAHA.

Some Trekkies have a tendency to give Star Trek credentials that it never did.

121. Jenni Generation - May 1, 2009

OK, to throw in my two pence:

Star Trek did indeed look at moral themes. But it looked at them, by today’s standards anyway, /really/ broadly. In a single episode with no real longterm effects.

It took philisophical themes and made them easily understood by the average viewer who didn’t tune in to think about them. It maybe ‘hid’ them.

It was not exactly intellectual; it was more a case of having a moral heart than it was being genuinely hard-hitting complex education.

The most popular/famous episodes which TOS is generally judged by might have been moreso, but really, they’re the (admittedly not small) minority in a show with a 3 season run plus films.

And just for the record, trailers matching content is pretty rare. Especially in short ones. I mean really. You tune out when commercials come on; noone likes commercials (well, very few people). A thoughtful quiet moment on a complex theme is not gonna draw you out of that. Flash and one liners will. Also, trailers have to be many aspects of a film, and all aspects must stand alone. Thus, it’s gotta be fast paced (to fit it in) and glossing over the deeper aspects (or they won’t stand alone).

122. RoobyDoo - May 1, 2009

I just had a serious workout LMAO watching Access Hollywood’s sit-down interview with Pinto. Good stuff.

123. THX-1138 - May 1, 2009

Hey Anthony,

Understood about the Lost clip. That’s what I figured. But that convenient link to all the clips was nifty. Any chance getting that back?

124. Tox Uthat - May 1, 2009

“If Star Trek (the original) was trying to teach us anything it was exactly that…..harmony and intellectual pursuit over monetary gain.”

Sorry, this was GR’s living. It’s how he made his money by creating television programs.

It’s Tv. $$$ before art. And if we can get a better balance, that’s great.

Star Trek found a way to express both needs. But the money came first. And in the end, it’s still about the money.

125. Tox Uthat - May 1, 2009

#121

Agreed.

All television stories, especially in the 60s, had a moral message. And Trek, thru scifi, touched more themes than most shows of the day. I’m sure there’s a nice story here.

I too feel the Nik spot showed me more of the heart and spirit of this movie.

Sounds like fun.

Sounds like fun.

126. Check the Circuit - May 1, 2009

Did you see the cover to this week’s Entertainment Weekly? Well, let’s just say it isn’t coverage of Ghosts of Girlfriends Past.

127. Will_H - May 1, 2009

I find it weird that the Nickelodeon trailer has more new footage than anything we’ve seen in a while. So far the engine room, from the two seconds we get to see, looks like an epic failure. At least the bridge is good. Hopefully they’ll fix it for the sequel.

128. Devon - May 1, 2009

#124 – Exactly.

129. Danny - May 1, 2009

I may be going against the grain here, but I like the new look for engineering. It’s nice to see a real, bowels of the ship, functional engineering instead of those lounge/resort lobby ones we’ve been seeing in the last few movies and shows.

They are only 200 years in the future, engineering doesn’t have to be some sort of advanced, mystical room that is hidden behind panels. Pipes, valves, manual controls, etc, help us see that it’s simply a human built spaceship.

130. Capt. of the USS Anduril - May 1, 2009

Also, all the detractors of the engineering set because of the pipes and valves, apparently you need to rewatch TOS. I’ve been watching TOS prior to the new movie, and I was astonished by just how many pipes and valves there were in engineering. So yeah. They ARE honoring canon. Amazing, isn’t it? Maybe I’ll find pictures that show what I’m talking about.

131. Flake - May 1, 2009

I think everyone on here would like to strangle whoever came up with that engine room. Haters and lovers are probably united on this one :)

132. Michael - May 1, 2009

I’m watching this @ work..and have the clip and the work pc sound cranked and barely can hear it at all! I’ll wait to get home and patch my aux. speakers in to hear it.

133. MamaBrains - May 1, 2009

Dradis…you’re not alone.
You said you were in the biz so i get where you’re coming from.

It is art, and most people don’t get that.

Let’s be hopeful it will be close to that vision.

134. John from Cincinnati - May 1, 2009

Star Trek has always been about making social comment hidden through silly aliens and cardboard sets. It was TV that caused my forming mind to think. Such as, what’s the difference in a race where they are black on one side and white on the other? How does that relate to our own race relations? If a civilization can sanitize warfare, is it still warfare and is it worth avoiding? If a hideous alien is burning our people to a crisp, could possibly be our fault for killing it’s children?

Star Trek was never about action or special effects. In fact, I could argue the Trek action sequences were some of the worst I’ve ever seen. That’s not why I watched it. I watched for the characters and the stories and the really cool looking uniforms. That is not to say I would love to see the action and effects done better like I think this new movie will. I bet there is more intelligence in this movie than one can see in a 30 second commercial.

135. I am not Herbert - May 1, 2009

Yes, Star Trek IS morality plays wrapped in science fiction!!! The action is secondary. If you don’t see that underlying ethos, then you don’t “get it”.

If all you enjoy is the “action”, fine, but don’t deny the intellectuality and morality of it. LL&P. IDIC.

136. Capt. of the USS Anduril - May 1, 2009

Engineering w/pipes!

Space Seed:
http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/1×22/Space_Seed_372.JPG
http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/1×22/Space_Seed_381.JPG

Day of the Dove:
http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/3×07/dayofdove_171.jpg

137. John from Cincinnati - May 1, 2009

As far as the pipes and valves, there is a huge difference between seeing a “few” pipes painted into the walls of a futuristic starship and having thousands of brass pipes blowing off steam like on the Titanic. For them wanting the movie to look “real” is the reason they “had” to update the bridge for modern viewers to look like an Apple store. So logically, if you take the same reasoning, Engineering should’ve been updated as well, not retrofitted to look like an early 20th century steamer.

If the ship should look modern then say so, if it should look retro say so but stop blindly defending all of their decisions. They’re not perfect and they didn’t make a perfect movie.

138. DarthDaniel - May 1, 2009

Star Trek is always about the human spirit!!!!! C’mon people.
I didn’t watch the original show for the effects that’s for damn sure.

I get where this feeling comes from that the new Trek lacks the heart and mind of it all. I see great effects so far and little to do with substance.

Look at the trailer for The Motion Picture. Epic and mature. Could it have used a bit more action….sure. But it didn’t violate the integrity of the series.

Dradis, i am more a fan of TOS and the first three films and I feel like this is what you are commenting on. Did NG get stale? Yup. Did the last few movies lack some new energy? Yup. But don’t throw out the baby with the bath water.

Let’s remain hopeful but one day i would still like to see the first voyage of the real Capt James T Kirk on the Enterprise.

And let’s not get NEAR the engine room look debate. That and the new ship design can take a flying…….but i digress :)

139. redshirt96 - May 1, 2009

129 – “They are only 200 years in the future, engineering doesn’t have to be some sort of advanced, mystical room that is hidden behind panels. Pipes, valves, manual controls, etc, help us see that it’s simply a human built spaceship.”

I agree! I think we’re in the minority here.

As far as the humor goes, it was an enjoyable aspect of TOS that I always felt other sci-fi shows lacked. Human’s can be a very funny species…

140. AJ - May 1, 2009

You can briefly hear Majel Barrett’s ‘computer voice’ in one of the Hemsworth clips from the first interview. Too bad they didn’t show a proper clip.

141. I am not Herbert - May 1, 2009

Yeah, the Budweiser brewery as a stand-in for Engineering is a TRAVESTY, worse than the Apple iStore bridge.

…looking forward to both of these being fixed in the next movie…

142. Vulcan Soul - May 1, 2009

Is anyone really able to read the quotes in the “critics clip” without stopping the video? This is a furious speed ;-)

143. Trekker Chick - May 1, 2009

Those “McCoy scans…” and “McCoy tries to cure…” screencaps?

I can REALLY see “De” in Karl Urban’s appearance.

Almost scary

144. I am not Herbert - May 1, 2009

The Numb Tongue is a funny CORNY little bit, apparently “for the kids”; not TOO bad, but I hope we don’t get too much of this dumbed-down kind of kid stuff…

145. Closettrekker - May 1, 2009

#129—”It’s nice to see a real, bowels of the ship, functional engineering instead of those lounge/resort lobby ones we’ve been seeing in the last few movies and shows.

They are only 200 years in the future, engineering doesn’t have to be some sort of advanced, mystical room that is hidden behind panels. Pipes, valves, manual controls, etc, help us see that it’s simply a human built spaceship.”

Well said, and I think that was the whole point.

#138—”I agree! I think we’re in the minority here.”

Probably not so much as you think. Those who do not have an issue with it are probably just less likely to post a comment about it.

146. C.S. Lewis - May 1, 2009

Hmmm. For all the grief certain fans give about STar Trek’s “cheesy” (whatever that means…) and “cardboard”, “retro” (another word with a very flexible meaning among the high school crowd) sets, I wonder what they will say about the sets for the U.S.S. Kelvin!

In all honesty, it looks like an hospital emergency room or some other place with technology devices crammed in to every nook and cranny, with an architecture obviously designed for a pre-technological age (c.f., University of Pennsylvania’s Presbyterian Hospital).

Heavy sigh. It comes with youth, ignorance and arrogance I suppose. To set the record straight, Star Trek was the most advanced, most expensive television program produced at the time. It was often compared to shooting a motion picture each week, but without the financing of a motion picture.

Maybe ten or forty years from now, Abram’s Trek will be fondly remembered by today’s youthful fans, who will endure the mockery of the super-hep/hip/cool/phat/whatever children of their day who look at this movie and ask how anyone could possibly have suspended disbelief long enough to enjoy cheesy, cheap-a$$ sets made of office lamps, bar code scanners and flat screen monitors purchased at the local Staples store, not to mention the iron pipe rails and steel staircases of a brewery.

Oh that I only live long enough to see it myself.

Sincerely,
C.S. Lewis

147. Shatner_Fan_Prime - May 1, 2009

I think engineering is … not as good as what came before. In general, the E looked better in the TOS movies.

148. Ryan - May 1, 2009

If the engine room on the Enterprise looks like the engine room on the Kelvin, then I’ll be ok with it. Atleast the Kelvin’s engin room looks like an industrial factory rather than brewery.

149. eknirb - May 1, 2009

I CAN FIX THAT!
STOP THAT!

man, pretty freakin’ funny. cannot wait.

150. Doctor Whom - May 1, 2009

#121 et al:

Listen, as someone who was there (watching television in the sixties) I can tell you that “Star Trek” was not some sort of television drama watershed. The storytelling was pretty much on a par with other serious, “adult” dramas of the day, and a cut below some of them (e.g. “The Defenders”). What makes “Trek” stand out is that it was the first science fiction series to get that sort of treatment (in the same way “Gunsmoke” elevated the Western from kiddie shows like “Hopalong Cassidy” and “The Lone Ranger”).

151. I am not Herbert - May 1, 2009

“Star Trek” WAS a television morality (social commentary) watershed!

152. John from Cincinnati - May 1, 2009

147.

Why would one think there wouldn’t be technological advances in the 20 years between the two ships?

153. C.S. Lewis - May 1, 2009

106. Dradis – May 1, 2009

To all of you who perhaps never knew what Star Trek was about, please listen to its creator: …

Everyone must make allowances for Gene Roddenberry’s own “retconning”, lol. Star Trek certainly had a dose or two of his progressive political views, but most of it — and its employees — did not. If you want to understand Star Trek you need not understand the 1960s but rather the 1940s and 1950s. Most of the makers of Star Trek came of age in that period and many of them saw combat and great suffering during WWII and Korea and never wanted to suffer it again — not did they want it for their children, the Baby Boomers.

Yet, when America was at its absolute peak in the early 1960s, from out of nowhere came this movement that questioned America’s very right to exist. Add to this the Baby Boomer paranoia over nuclear war (they were the children of Hiroshima in a very real, if spiritual way) and you had very confusing, very frightening times for the “grownups” who were facing the responsibilities of family and careers just when, for good measure, the economy and the Viet Nam War came to be troubling.

So what did Star Trek have to do with this? It certainly was not the Age of Aquarius that many try to make it. It had something, but mainly nothing to do with the Leftist social issues disrupting college campuses. It had much to do with reassuring that WWII/Korea vet or his brother that America would survive this inexplicable, out-of-nowhere threat to its existence. The OPTIMISM OF STAR TREK was that America would survive — and lead by example so well that even the fearsome Ruskies would hammer their ICBMs into ploughshares and join US in the exploration of the Final Frontier.

Beyond that, the writers, learned men all, with similar experience to the show’s production crew, had ideas of their own and wanted to explore them. Notice many are variants on Biblical, Shakespearian or mythological themes: they wanted to see if they would hold up after the dust settled from that Age of Aquarius disaster.

This is Star Trek. It was not intellectual. It was not preaching some “evolved” morality like a tired, old, Soviet propaganda kommissar. No, it simply said “Truth, justice and the American Way” not only survive, but lives long and prospers and everyone comes to be just like us, too.

Later Star Treks followed the Left’s Long March Through the Institutions, I’m afraid, as they were more closely controlled by Roddenberry who, by then, seems to have thoroughly abandoned his upbringing for what we all call “The Seventies” or simply (in a not to Lenin), “Political Correctness”.

Anyway, that is the story of Star Trek by one who was there to see it, albeit as a very little boy in 1966. If you understand this basic framework — that Star Trek was much more than the radical thinking of its creator but rather the arithmetic mean of all who contributed to it, it makes crystal clear sense.

Sincerely,
C.S. Lewis

154. AJ - May 1, 2009

My only visit to an engine room was (believe it or not) on a nuclear powered Russian icebreaker back in the ’90s.

It was utterly utilitarian and dark with light and working space only around the key control areas, especially the two mini-reactors. The place was so clean, you could eat off the floors, which had a metal mesh type surface.

I always thought the TOS engine room looked like a school lunchroom. Just lots of empty space, with a perimeter of controls, and the ladder up to another doohickey room. And then the warpcore behind the screen.

TMP looked like an airport, and the Enterprises D & E, and VOY had that warpcore-centric thing going, which worked for me. Yet, I hope we’ll see more of the Kelvin and Enterprise engine rooms. Most likely, they’re practical and functional, and more akin to something modern-day.

155. John from Cincinnati - May 1, 2009

-The bridge sucks.
-Engineering sucks.
-Karl Urban is awesome.
-Chris Pine is great.
-Zach Quinto looks like Spock.
-Kirk’s backstory change sucks.
-The creatures on Delta Vega look great, even if they are from Star Wars Epsiode I (Always a bigger fish)
-Sulu’s action sequence with a sword looks fun, even though it reminds me of the lightsaber battles from Star Wars.
- Overall, the movie looks like a fun thrill ride and I can’t wait to see it.

See, I can be truthful, fair and not pander. If only others can do the same.

156. karanadon - May 1, 2009

Shouldn’t the insignia on George Kirk’s shirt be something unique to the Kelvin, rather than the Enterprise delta, as was true of different ships in TOS? Even on Enterprise the delta was nowhere to be seen, non? I’m confused…

157. John from Cincinnati - May 1, 2009

155.

There are many things with this new movie that are inconsistent but we are to overlook them because the cop out excuse given is the original series was never consistent. Which would be untrue. Every single episode I watched with a ship other than the Entreprise all had different insignias. I challenge anyone to produce me a clip otherwise.

158. karanadon - May 1, 2009

#156 Yeah, I know you’re right–I was just hoping someone might have a pithy little explanation! But never mind :-) I’m still ridiculously excited, especially as my local cinema seems to have a showing at midnight on Tuesday night…

159. Ian - May 1, 2009

So I’m starting to think the whole idea behind an industrialized engineering is just ridiculous. These “bowel” shots are strangely misplaced in comparison to the rest of the ship(s).

160. KJTrek - May 1, 2009

Might want to know that the YouTube video has been removed… just saying lol

161. Closettrekker - May 1, 2009

#155—”Shouldn’t the insignia on George Kirk’s shirt be something unique to the Kelvin, rather than the Enterprise delta, as was true of different ships in TOS? Even on Enterprise the delta was nowhere to be seen, non? I’m confused…”

“I was just hoping someone might have a pithy little explanation! ”

Ok…Here goes.

The USS Kelvin was the first ship to utilize the Delta Shield as its signature insignia. In recognition for the brave men and women and their actions aboard her, Starfleet adopts the Delta Shield as a more universal symbol (whereas, in the original “unaltered” timeline, it was only adopted by the NCC-1701). After all, this *is* an altered timeline.

You just have to dip into the “fanon explanation bucket”. We’ve been doing it for 40 years!

:)

162. I Am Morg Not Eymorg - May 1, 2009

144. Closettrekker – May 1, 2009

“Probably not so much as you think. Those who do not have an issue with it are probably just less likely to post a comment about it.”

Squeaky wheel gets the oil and all that.

152. C.S. Lewis:

Gene created the idea of Star Trek, there is no point in arguing that. But what became TOS was by a LONG shot not just all him. Coon, Justman, Jeffries, Fontanna and others were right there with him. I have found over the years that what works for me about TOS doesn’t always match up with Gene’s vision. I can tell you real quickly which I prefer. One look at TNG is all I need to do that.

154. John from Cincinnati – May 1, 2009

-The bridge sucks.

I Disagree.

-Engineering sucks.

I Disagree.

-Karl Urban is awesome.

I agree.

-Chris Pine is great.

I agree.

-Zach Quinto looks like Spock.

I agree.

-Kirk’s backstory change sucks.

Don’t know yet but I bet I end up disagreeing.

-The creatures on Delta Vega look great, even if they are from Star Wars Epsiode I (Always a bigger fish)

Monsters existed LONG before Star Wars. Lucas doesn’t own them.

-Sulu’s action sequence with a sword looks fun, even though it reminds me of the lightsaber battles from Star Wars.

Swashbuckling existed LONG before Star Wars. Lucas doesn’t own it.
– Overall, the movie looks like a fun thrill ride and I can’t wait to see it.

See, I can be truthful, fair and not pander. If only others can do the same.

Why do you assume most people are lying, being unfair or are pandering just because their view doesn’t line up with yours. That is extremely arrogant and presumptuous.

155. John from Cincinnati:

A crew woman had the Enterprise symbol in the office on the Starbase in Menagerie. All the people in the bar in Court Martial, and they weren’t all Enterprise crewmen, as evidenced by their demeanor and dialogue to Kirk. There are more I’m sure. More arrogant presumption.

163. Ryan - May 1, 2009

#160 – That’s a nice explanation!

164. THX-1138 - May 1, 2009

Yeah, the engine room does look a bit Steam Punk. I think the TNG era engine rooms worked for me because the designers of the models and sets really put a lot of thought into the location and function of how the engines operated and maintained a consistency. That was probably one of the things that led to all the technobabble that we got because they might have “over-thought” some aspects of the show. I have the TNG tech manual and I swear to God that I could actually build the Enterprise D with some of the info inside.

I haven’t seen enough of the new flick to know, but it does tend to not fit with what we have seen of the ship. On the one hand we have a very advanced looking bridge complete with shall we say touches from our everyday lives. And on the other hand we have what looks like a brass pipe and steamworks engine room. Some of the design choices are curious.

165. P Technobabble - May 1, 2009

Star Trek certainly was conceived as an action-adventure series, and was then able to make social commentary via the sci-fi framework. This is not just some people’s opinion. It is fact. This quote from the 3rd revision of the 1967 Star Trek Writer’s Guide is worth repeating: “Build your episode on an action-adventure framework. We must reach out, hold and entertain a mass audience of some 20,000,000 people or we simply don’t stay on the air…” There was also a comment about writers making the mistake of portraying “intellectual rather than physical or emotional conflict,” and having “characters sitting and talking” rather than “feeling, moving and doing.” And, “… with that firm foundation established, interweave in it any statement to be made about man, society and so on. Yes, we want you to have something to say, but say it entertainingly as you do on any other show. We don’t need essays, however brilliant…” It’s there in black and white, folks…

166. I am not Herbert - May 1, 2009

C.S. Lewis: Star Trek is NOT about America’s eminent domain, and defeating communism and the “disruptive Left”.

It is about bettering ourselves as human beings, with justice, equality and opportunity for all. All of us moving together towards a positive optimistic future.

In the future there is no “America”; there is a united Earth, and a United Federation of Planets. No money. No religion. No war. No hate.

167. Capt Mike of the Terran Empire - May 1, 2009

Ok. I said i would watch no more clips. Ok i did and i simply could not help my self. 6 more days and 1 hour and 45 minutes. I just can’t stand the strain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. I have got to see the Movie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

168. I Am Morg Not Eymorg - May 1, 2009

163. THX-1138: I dislike the TNG era Engine room. And I disliked it even more when the TOS movies used it later on. I loved the TOS Engine Room, the TMP one, Wrath of Khan one and that about covers it. And what I have seen and heard so far I like this one.

JMN

169. JohnWA - May 1, 2009

I don’t think young people are interested in reliving the culture wars, Mr. Lewis.

They just want to see a decent summer action movie. And it appears Abrams is going to give them what they want.

You’re, of course, welcome to your opinion. As with any artform (and I do believe filmmaking is an art), you’re going to get many different interpretations. But you don’t seriously expect everyone to boycott this movie simply because grandpa says it is “morally degenerate” and/or “bad” for ‘Murika, do you?

170. Ian - May 1, 2009

165. Amen!

171. Christine - May 1, 2009

LOOOOOOOL, that Nickelodeon commercial was great. xD I love all the shots of Bones sticking Kirk with the Hypo like 10 times. Now I KNOW this movie’s gonna be amazing.

172. The Governator - May 1, 2009

This movie looks awesome, and I really have no reason to complain, but the “supreme court” knows how to take criticism and said they wanted feedback on how to make the next one better before they started getting really into it. So far, I’ve got one suggestion: If and when you are given more money to do the sequel, build your own engine room. I heard that there were designs for that and that it would have been awesome but was ultimately too expensive. I like the industrial idea, and it works well in some ways, but the brewery makes it kind of hard to buy. Very creative though and I think that it at least helps give this movie a unique and varied design style.

173. Chris Pike - May 1, 2009

I know I’m gonna enjoy this Trek, but my heart does sink with +10G when I see the steampunk engine room, too bad. Just looks like someone suddenly ran out of creative, futuristic innovative ideas – 3 words you want to associate with Trek.

174. Christine - May 1, 2009

#173 :: You’ve got a valid point.. But, I think I actually heard that they did want to make a good engine room, they just didn’t have the money for it. -sigh- Maybe in a sequel? :3

‘Least the bridge looks really cool (my opinion, don’t bash me).

175. Bill Peters - May 1, 2009

Love Scotties lines!

176. Chris Pike - May 1, 2009

174 – well lets hope we see it in the next one, which is pretty certain. Could be an easy one liner in the dialogue to explain away…”well Scotty, do you like engineering now that it’s finally finished…?” something like Kirk to McCoy for the new sick bay in the TMP where Bones replies (approx) “…I do not, it’s more like a dammed computer centre!!”

177. cagmar - May 1, 2009

The production design on this movie is a mess. The bridge, the hallways, the ship exterior, engineering, the medical bay, the transporter room, everything looks SO fragmented and visually irritating. How can Scotty even use those transporter controls with all that friggin’ glare! All the characters are here and masterfully portrayed, except Enterprise. And Enterprise was important, too. Very important. I guess she’s the casualty.

I’ll watch this movie and I’ll probably enjoy it immensely, but next time, JJ et al need to have a little more respect for the look of Star Trek. They’re going to get a second chance, so they have to do better. This isn’t about just surviving anymore, it’s about making something we can ALL enjoy as fans and non.

I honestly don’t know how a tried and true fan like Roberto Orci let them get away with some of these designs.

178. Chris Pike - May 1, 2009

177

Yep, strong maybe but can’t help but find myself in a similar frame of mind towards the PD overall…

179. Larry - May 1, 2009

This is all sweet! Can’t wait to see it.

HERE IS SOME NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here is some news that is even sweeter!! If you are also a NASCAR Fan, tonights Nationwide Race and tomorrows Sprint Cup Race, both the number 12 cars will be sponsoring the new Star Trek movie. The cars look awsome!!! That is the #12 of Justin Allgaier Verizon/Star Trek Chevy on the Nationwide race and the #12 of David Stremme Star Trek Chevy on the Sprint Cup race. David Stremme’s fire suit looks great! He also said that on next weeks Sprint Cup race they will have the #12 again painted for Star Trek! Go to NASCAR.com to check it out or watch on ESPN 2 tonight and FOX tomorrow night for the races.

180. wkiryn - May 1, 2009

Some of the talk about the dumbing down of humanity ads reminded me of how I heard a radio spot this morning that said approximately “See Captain Kirk in the new Star Trek film…” and I thought – huh I wonder if people think Captain is practically his first name – maybe their test audience consisted people very similar to those in Idiocracy and they started getting very belligerent when it was explained that it is a prequel and it takes years to earn the rank of Captain. To which one test subject responded – “I want the real !@#$%^$ Kirk, Kirk is a Captain and he sleeps with green women” and then flings an empty budweiser at the two way mirror.

181. Rastaman - May 1, 2009

Gotta agree with the lot of you. I’m a little surprised and disheartened by the engine room. Looks like the ship runs on diesel or something. So much for Jeffries Tubes.

182. AJ - May 1, 2009

166:

I think you have to remove one grain of salt from your criticism of CS Lewis’s post #153.

Star Trek can be appreciated on many levels, but its various incarnations have to be evaluated as period pieces.

As you say, TOS certainly was NOT about American hegemony and defeating communism. It was about putting down the weapons and allowing Communists to be Communists if that is what they wanted to be, and allowing oppressive social systems to evolve on their own, naturally, into freer ones.

Star Trek has always been quite to the left in terms of its portrayal of society: No money, no religion, etc While I agree that the ‘no religion’ angle, or ‘secular humanistic’ aspect of Trek is valid, the ‘no money’ one is not. It reverts back to some sort of naive vision of a utopian socialism which doesn’t make sense in a Federation of worlds with currency-based economies.

183. karanadon - May 1, 2009

#161 yes, yes BUT shouldn’t the Kelvin be untouched considering history hasn’t been changed until AFTER the attack? Or has it been changed before, or simply by Nero’s incursion? *sighs* I don’t know…

184. pock speared - May 1, 2009

one last time: the design of the engine room, for me, is brilliant. it creates a visual motif of mechanical “support” to the sci fi that flows with other aspects of the film (the ‘vette, kirks’s bike, the construction site) while also creating a freudian framework for the dimensions of a real, functioning starship where the brains are clean and bright and the bowels are darker and more tactile. the key word here being ‘real’, and also giving a sense of the past compared to TNG forward.

i know most disagree, but i feel it is a bold and thoughtful part of the design that impresses and delights me.

i admit that if i were still seven years old, as i was when i first saw TOS, it might have bothered me a bit.

185. sean - May 1, 2009

CS Lewis lecturing others about *their* arrogance? Surely the end is nigh! ;)

186. Gorn Captain - May 1, 2009

#161…I was JUST thinking of that explanation the other day!

187. The Governator - May 1, 2009

Oh, and I must say that although I’m not completely sold on the engine room for the Enterprise, the bowels of the Kelvin look awesome. That worked out really well, I think. It looks so functional and real. Good design choice for that one. I think I need to see more of the Enterprise engine room before I make a final call for it, but I will say that in general, the industrial feel is much more realistic than the sleek carpeted stuff from before. The steam ads nice effect. So I have to commend them for at least making it more “engine like”. For the sequel though, they should build those so called “awesome” engine designs they couldn’t afford for this one.

188. Sci-Fi Bri - May 1, 2009

i will see wolverine the second day, and judging by the reviews, there
might not be one.

189. Paulaner - May 1, 2009

#156 “Shouldn’t the insignia on George Kirk’s shirt be something unique to the Kelvin, rather than the Enterprise delta, as was true of different ships in TOS”

The Delta has been clearly adopted as Starfleet logo.

190. Unbel1ever - May 1, 2009

I like most of what I see here.

Two things, I really don’t like are
1) the engineering sets – they look ridiculously out of place )
2) the “swollen” joke – looks like intelligent humour is out the window.
Seriously, who still laughs about something like that ?

Well, I’ll see what the fuss is all about on Wednesday 8 pm CET.

191. ENGON - May 1, 2009

Despite being a long time fan myself, I do find it kind of ironic that Star Trek’s first story, “The Cage,” was about the danger of giving yourself over to a fictional reality.

Even before the rise of the show’s own enthusiastic fan base, this story could easily have been seen more generally as a metaphor for a culture addicted to television.

192. I am not Herbert - May 1, 2009

182. AJ: “…the ‘no money’ [angle] is not [valid]. It reverts back to some sort of naive vision of a utopian socialism which doesn’t make sense in a Federation of worlds with currency-based economies.”

Ronald D. Moore commented: “By the time I joined TNG, Gene had decreed that money most emphatically did NOT exist in the Federation, nor did ‘credits’ and that was that.”

When Lily Sloane asked how much the USS Enterprise-E cost to build, Picard tells her “The economics of the future is somewhat different. You see, money doesn’t exist in the 24th century… The acquisition of wealth is no longer the driving force in our lives. We work to better ourselves and the rest of Humanity.” (Star Trek: First Contact)

193. Nebula - May 1, 2009

@ #190

1. Think of modern day cruise ships… they may look nice and dandy to the passengers but once you get to the utility decks and engineering room they are large dirty mechanical monsters.

2. some people still do; and so do many kids.

194. John Gill - May 1, 2009

MY GOD that screen shot of Pine with the big hand syndrome shows facial features on Urban that makes him look JUST LIKE a young DeForest Kelley! I love it!

195. Tarrax - May 1, 2009

146. C.S. Lewis

I find it mildly amusing how you try to insult people in an indirect manner. I guess it’s a mix of trying to avoid a slap from Anthony and feeding your own need to feel superior. You do know what the word “condescending” means right?

196. I am not Herbert - May 1, 2009

*deep breath* OK, back to the clips:

The bridge of the USS Kelvin looks pretty damn good! =)
(as does Alnschloss K’Bentayr)…

…except for those damn spot lights! At least there’s less of them than on the Enterprise bridge…

197. jonboc - May 1, 2009

#177 “I’ll watch this movie and I’ll probably enjoy it immensely, but next time, JJ et al need to have a little more respect for the look of Star Trek. ”

From this point forward, that IS the look of Star Trek.

198. Dennis Bailey - May 1, 2009

#197 – Yep!

199. I am not Herbert - May 1, 2009

197. jonboc: “From this point forward, that IS the look of Star Trek.”

By Thor’s hammer!!… I say thee: NAYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

200. The Governator - May 1, 2009

Just saw NEW VERIZON/NOKIA TV SPOT!!!!!!!!!

Nothing special or anything, but its more attention at least.

Interesting transporter theme. Kinda funny, kinda not.

201. Skippy2k - May 1, 2009

Just saw a Trek commercial for Vcast “Starfleet Recruitment”. Overheard it from the other room and had to go watch it. Explaining the transporter and beaming down “I don’t want to end up with his face”….:)

202. Fletch Gannon - May 1, 2009

#197 Militant Star Trek fans…was bound to happen I guess…

203. Unbel1ever - May 1, 2009

#193

1) Modern day cruise ships have structured and clean engine rooms. Nothing like this mess.
Look here: http://www.faktaomfartyg.se/color_magic_2007_inr_2.htm (scroll down)

2) I thought this movie should appeal to everyone ? Not only to those with an underdeveloped sense of humour. Or is that the majority these days ?

204. The Governator - May 1, 2009

203. Ubel1ever

I see your point, but I would imagine starship designs would require a little more power and steam and mechanics, don’t you think? I myself think the design choice was interesting, although I think they should build their own engineering next time. And looking at those engine photos you have provided, I see structure and all, but it is pretty industrial looking too. If that were the Enterprise engineering, I would be more upset than I am now. I see where you’re coming from though.

205. Nebula - May 1, 2009

the only thing clean in that engine room is the control room.. rofl

206. Nebula - May 1, 2009

ahh almost forgot….

this little vid shows real and worked hard engine rooms
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpWmmPjPqiU

207. Adam E - May 1, 2009

So what color is Robau’s uniform? Looks blue here but gray in other clips / pics

208. Unbel1ever - May 1, 2009

#204

I’m not saying, that I would dismiss the look for an engine room, but it’s supposed to be 200 years in the future. The rest of the ship looks at least somewhat futuristic. It doesn’t match this design. There’s no point of reference, that makes you think the bridge set and the engineering set are on the same ship. You take Pegg out of there and ask anyone on the street what he/she thinks it’s supposed to be and I’m certain ‘starship engineering’ will not be one of the answers.

209. sean - May 1, 2009

#203

So Laurel & Hardy only appealed to individuals with an underdeveloped sense of humor? Come on. We all appreciate a witty line, but it doesn’t mean we can’t laugh at a pratfall here and there, either.

210. Closettrekker - May 1, 2009

#183—As I suggested, perhaps the original starship to utilize the delta shield (in either timeline) was the USS Kelvin.

Say, for instance that in the “original timeline”, when the Kelvin was decommissioned, the delta shield emblem was inherited by the Enterpise.

But due to the timeline incursion of 2233, Starfleet adopts the delta shield as a more universal standard– in honor of her crew and their heroic actions.

Problem solved, IMO. After all, didn’t we already have a similar fanon explanation which explained why all of Starfleet begins to use it in honor of the Enterprise? I’d say that this one is no more convoluted than that.

Star Trek can still have its most recognizable insignia, and the canonistas (like me) can still reconcile it within the mythos.

And of course, these iconic heroes can be followed into another thread of the Trek mythos (I’m sure that the boys and girls at Memory Alpha will have a blast) which diverges from its predecessor in the year 2233, and in which some events parallel those in the original timeline, yet others provide new and interesting stories with some new twists along the way.

As a lover of almost all things Kirk, Spock, McCoy, and Scotty—-I cannot recall a better time to be a Star Trek fan since—-well, since watching syndicated TOS for the first time in the 1970′s or anticipating the release of the latest addition to the film franchise during the height of the movie era in the late 70′s-mid 80′s.

Add to that the fact that Star Trek (2009) is doing laps around X-Men Origins: Wolverine among early reviewing critics, and I feel really good about Trek right now and in the forseeable future.

211. The Governator - May 1, 2009

208. Ubel1ever

Yes, that’s where I agree. Does it look like its from the future? Well no not really. At least not taken out of the context of the movie. After all, it is a modern day brewery, so that fact pretty much clarifies said point. However, it does convey a sense of functionality and an engine-like quality that at least I think is more credible than, say, the TOS engine room or the carpeted TNG engine room. In any case, I prefer they change this for the next movie. I really like the industrial direction they’re going with here, but perhaps something more along the lines of the rest of the ship and more futuristic would be preferable.

P.S. I think that the factory design works perfectly for the Kelvin.

212. Paulaner - May 1, 2009

Official site updated. New music and dossiers.

213. Closettrekker - May 1, 2009

#208—”You take Pegg out of there and ask anyone on the street what he/she thinks it’s supposed to be and I’m certain ’starship engineering’ will not be one of the answers.”

I’m not so sure that isn’t eventually going to be the answer in some cases. I’m hard-pressed to make any kind of prediction about its box-office success, but I wouldn’t exactly be shocked if it really surprises alot of people and has an even more financially successful sequel or two—in which case there may be quite a few who answer, “Isn’t that the engine room on the starship Enterprise?”

We’ll see.

214. Randy H. - May 1, 2009

I believe that anyone who says that a starship engine room that looks like it is making Guiness Stout is more “believeable” than either the TOS, TNG, VOY, or even ENT sets is an apoligist for the film. It is an insult to my intelligence if that is what is really used for the Enterprise’s engineering section. This is a *starship*, not a *steamship*. We’ll see how it is actually used in the film, but if that is main engineering the set designer should be shot.

215. The Original Spock's Brain - May 1, 2009

207. Adam E – May 1, 2009
“So what color is Robau’s uniform? Looks blue here but gray in other clips / pics” That confused me too.

216. John Sullivan - May 1, 2009

Is it just me, or is there something close to sinister about marketing a movie featuring Uhura doing a striptease for Kirk on Nickelodian? No wonder 12 year olds are getting pregnant. Shame on Viacom on both ends of the spectum.

… and don’t worry about the lost “LOST” clip. Nobody watches the broadcast channels anymore anyway … escapt for NCIS on Viacom’s CBS … which by the way is a kick-butt show with a hero named Jetro Gibbs who just happens to have a twin in the 23rd Century named Chris Pike.

217. John Sullivan - May 1, 2009

#35 IN CAPS … no, that wasn’t steam you saw. It was the urine recycler. They have to do that in space, you know.

218. Simon - May 1, 2009

Incredible how much Chris Hemsworth George Kirk resembles Chris Pine’s James Kirk. Great casting.

219. boborci - May 1, 2009

we really got a good cast.

220. sean - May 1, 2009

#216

John, have you ever heard of ‘playing doctor’? It was around long before Uhura decided to undress in her quarters.

221. The Governator - May 1, 2009

214. Randy H.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I’m no apoligist, but I find the industrial element more intriguing than previous sets. I think also that they should do their own thing next go round. Industrial, but futuristic. As I said before, it does seem a little out of place.

222. Dunsel Report - May 1, 2009

“By the time I joined TNG, Gene had decreed that money most emphatically did NOT exist in the Federation, nor did ‘credits’ and that was that.”

Gene had also decided that Troi should have had three breasts…check out the unauthorized biography from a few years back. The Great Bird had some really bad ideas in his old age.

223. Locke for President - May 1, 2009

Seventeen reviews on Rotten Tomatoes so far, all very good or great. A 100 percent rating so far.

People fussing over how the engine room looks like are being a bit too picky. It’s a movie — just go and enjoy it.

There are a lot of people losing their jobs and having a really tough time with life right now — and people are upset about set design in a fictional movie.

It’s time to lighten up a bit, and not take things so seriously.

224. Paulaner - May 1, 2009

#222

Agreed. Roddenberry or not, the “no money” thing is not believable. That line in First Contact had a lot of people muttering “come on!”. In my opinion, removing money is like going back to less civilized societies.

225. jonboc - May 1, 2009

There is nothing wrong with seeing the dirty working area of parts of the starship. The engine room on TOS simply was the control center. The wiring and plumbing between the walls and decks would no doubt be more like the Jefferies tube with conduit, pipes, etc. NOthing at all wrong with seeing a bit more of the inner workings of the ship exposed. Not to mention, it adds a nice dynamic and contrast to the rest of the ship. When you sit in your car its nice and tidy and sleek. But under the hood is a different story. I like it.

226. Closettrekker - May 1, 2009

#219—Bob Orci: “We got a good cast.”

That’s what I keep hearing. If fact, most have described it as more than good.

227. spiked canon - May 1, 2009

Mr. Orci it seems the only negative on the cast has been W Ryder and T Perry. Actual “stars” of Hollywood”. Any thoughts?

228. Dennis Bailey - May 1, 2009

The Enterprise engine room “controvery” is this week’s version of “they can’t build the ship on the ground, that’s ruining Star Trek.”

In other words, no big deal and soon forgotten.

229. Gary Seven of Nine - May 1, 2009

Good eye, Geodesic. When you see the Kelvin uniforms in the film, most of you will catch the homage to TNG, ENT and “The Cage” forms for sure! There is also a nod to a TMP uniform, elsewhere in the film as well.

And, oh yeah…

I hate to rub it in, but I GOT ANOTHER PAIR OF PASSES TO A SECOND ADVANCE SCREENING this Monday! W00t!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

17. Geodesic – May 1, 2009

The Kelvin uniforms look like a mix of ST:Enterprise and ST:TNG uniforms.

230. Gary Seven of Nine - May 1, 2009

Have you seen the engine room on a 19th Century steam ship? Pipes and Valves!

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Priscilla_(steamship)_engine_room.JPG

How about the engine room of the U.S.S. Hornet, circa 1962? Pipes and Valves!

http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/024141.jpg

And lastly, the engine room of a more modern ship, with pipes and valves peacefully cohabiting with electronics!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpWmmPjPqiU

These engine rooms span about 100 years of ship design, and yet, there are pipes and valves, so it stands to reason that in some part of a future starship, a vessel that is home to several hundred individuals who need fresh water and who generate waste water, how do you move the liquid around? Add to that climate control, engine coolant, etc. IMHO, I thought that engineering on both ships worked nicely.

Lastly, look at this photo of the U.S.S. Hornet’s Combat Information Center:

http://www.uss-hornet.org/exhibits/photos/picts/pano-CIC.mov

WOW! The Combat Information Center looks unlike other parts of the ship. There’s no way that it could be the same ship…at least that’s what the logic of some of the would production designers on this board would have you think…

231. Chris Basken - May 1, 2009

The hypo sequence and “STOP IT” actually restore a little faith, for me. It’s not dumbed down. It’s not really even comedy. It’s just good character interaction. And TOS had plenty of good, fun character stuff.

232. Randy H. - May 1, 2009

#230: The thing to remember is that we think that the scene is from main engineering, not some sort of recycling center for water. 21st Century industrial design may lend credibility to a 21st Century ocean-going vessel design, but to imagine that 250 years hence the main engine room of a starship that is powered by matter/antimatter reactors needs pipes and tubes and steam as shown is absurd. (And comparisons to nuclear power plants don’t work, as they are just a big steam engine at heart.)

#228: I can – a little reluctantly, admittedly – accept a land-built Enterprise. I can’t seriously accept a brewery as the primary engine room. Star Trek needs to be, fundamentally, based on how things might be; having something patently ridiculous spoils the effect. I’m happy to wait to see how the scene plays out, but I fear that reviews have pegged it and that the engine room is an anachronism.

233. cdp - May 1, 2009

This movie is getting a lot of advertising. Just got back from a baseball game and watched the good ol atlanta braves beat up on those houston astros and as an added bonus they showed the new star trek trailer on the big screen.

234. Jim Nightshade - May 1, 2009

Cartoon network just showed the monsters clip in more detail as an exclusive–Kirk does alotta running in the snow & monsters look very cool & pretty real too! Bring the movie on–cant wait! Thanx oh bob orci for the first monsters in trek since tos!

235. James Tiberius "my cabin in the Nexus hasn't depreciated" Kirk - May 1, 2009

…and some of the folk here wonder why Trekkies are the the butt of so many jokes…

236. I am not Herbert - May 1, 2009

I’m sure it’s going to be a great ride, but it looks pretty apparent that it’s also going to take quite a bit of “suspension of disbelief” from the hardcore TOS Trekkers like myself.

The Bud brewery Engineering section is ridiculous IMHO, as is building the Enterprise on land (I’ll betcha they don’t show how it gets off the ground, let alone into orbit).

I am however going to try not to let all of the “unrealistic” bits get in the way of my enjoying what hopefully will overall be a great movie. I suspect also that after we have seen it, we will say: for a reboot they could have done a HELL OF A LOT worse.

237. captain_neill - May 2, 2009

I wish Engineering was not filmed in a power plant, Engineering is meant to be the second coolest part of the ship so wish it was a set as it usually is.

However, I wont let this ruin the film, it is new canon after all.

238. Selor - May 2, 2009

@327 Essentially it was the right decision to go into a power plant, same purpose, I like it, especially those technicians that are coming from the Ceiling per Rope *gg*

239. Toben - May 2, 2009

You know, in a few months or maybe a year, all those parts that bother you now can either be ignored like you hope to, or they will make this movie unwatchable in the long run. Episode I was great the first time, too. But there are so many ridiculous elements, which I thought were outweighed by other good bits, but they weren’t.

Kirk’s hands balooning up, the Budweiser brewery engineering, you know it’s stupid. You try to talk yourself into ignoring it now, but I’d say some day you’ll realize how stupid it really is.

240. Christine - May 2, 2009

You know, some of you guys are getting way too worked up about the small details. I like engineering (more or less). I like the bridge. I like just about everything I’ve seen so far.

How about a little less bashing of the sets and focus on the true stars of the movie: The actors.

241. Schtobes - May 2, 2009

Yo guys -

Might THIS not in fact be Engineering, while the location where Scotty’s running around be the bowels of the ship?

See this screengrab from startrekmovie.com

http://www.flickr.com/photos/7605844@N07/3494267362/

Looks decidedly more plausible to me.

242. haissemguy - May 2, 2009

#241

where the hell is that image on the site?

243. Schtobes - May 2, 2009

#242

I believe it’s under “Gallery”

244. haissemguy - May 2, 2009

#243

ah thanks. Wish it was available to look at for longer but thanks for the screen grab.

I like the look of it and completely agree with you that the scene from the clip was more than likely not main engineering itself.

245. JT - May 2, 2009

I hate the production design!

246. Karl - May 2, 2009

Is it me or does the model ship in Picard’s room in TNG look a bit like the Kelvin? No?
I’ll try and find a pic of it…

247. Karl - May 2, 2009

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/gallery/artoftrek/ed-readyroom.jpg

248. Nebula - May 2, 2009

ah no that’s Picard’s old ship the Stargazer…. not even close….
It is a constellation class starship…

249. TrekdomKeeper - May 2, 2009

182 you have it backwards. Currency is a separator, all it does is limit and narrow peoples thinking and prevent them from being creative by forming an anti- humanistic incentive to work merely for survival. This makes many peoples lives boundless and without meaning nor impact. Many people die empty inside as a result of this set of affairs never having lived up to their fullest potential. Money should not be an incentive, creative growth should. True socialism has never been attempted. Besides, our species has been in it’s current genetic state for a hundred thousand years, with only a miniscule fraction of that having been devoted to currency systems. Coincidentally this is when all the wars began too. Matriarchak cultures based on decentralized power structures where money had no role in society never warred. The only reason they died out? Horsing barbarians stampeding their villages.

250. TrekdomKeeper - May 2, 2009

matriarchal*

Hording*

Godamn iPhones autocorrection feature!

251. Lord Garth, Formerly of Izar - May 2, 2009

Why is Scotty in an old High School Basement working on the heating??

252. I am not Herbert - May 2, 2009

249. TrekdomKeeper: I like the way you think ;-)

253. Closettrekker - May 2, 2009

#249—-”Coincidentally this is when all the wars began too. ”

That isn’t even close to being correct.

Since the earliest days when the ancestors of modern humans walked the Earth, people had cause to fight. Foraging and (later) hunting grounds, water sources, etc., were inherent things of value on this planet when Man first arrived on the scene that people would naturally seek to obtain and horde for themselves and thier individual tribal units. There is evidence of man vs. man violence dating back to the oldest discovered remains, and that is no doubt why.

I’m not sure how you surmised that the advent of currency was the beginning of Mankind’s greed. The leverage sought in anything and everything which can be construed as currency is a result of that greed—–not its cause.

254. sean - May 2, 2009

#253

Exactly. The premise that wars didn’t begin until the introduction of currency is completely false.

255. CAPT CRUNCH - May 2, 2009

Sorry about the caps…I get lazy sometimes…
Anyway…the new scenes of the Kelvin look awesome…but again I don’t understand the engine room of either ship…this 2233 not 1933…
the characters should make us forget that though…

256. Spock's Spinners - May 2, 2009

Please have the Enterprise go through a refit in the sequel and clean up engineering.

257. TrekdomKeeper - May 2, 2009

253 I will say just two things to you.

1- fighting to survive in an uncivilized world and waging war on your fellow humans are miles apart. No amount of illussiry retort can get past this fact.

2-there is archeological evidence of peaceful societies dating back to 8000 bc. These were matriarchal, decentralized power structures in which the people worked together in a way that led to a very comfortable mutual existence.

Stop arguing with me you hater. It’s pointless.

258. TrekdomKeeper - May 2, 2009

254 with minds like yours who needs to think? It’s as if your thoughts are already there, as if someone manufactured them for you.

259. JDM - May 2, 2009

I’ve followed this film since its announcement and have been cautiously excited for a long time, but with each new commercial I’ve discovered that I’m wishing it were a television series rather than a film. STAR TREK was born on television – even if through reruns we got to know these characters on television, one episode at a time. The movies were great, at least most of the ones with the TOS characters and “First Contact”, but the television format is probably WHY these characters mean so much to us. My point is that I think it’s going to be incredibly difficult to get to the end of this movie, see them about to embark on their five year mission and not be able to look forward to “next week’s episode.”

260. JDM - May 2, 2009

TREKDONKEEPER – What is this about “true socialism?” You can wish for a future like “Trek” where “personal growth” overrides money as a motivator, but wishing doesn’t make it so and you can’t legislate what should or should not motivate people. One has to ask, “What does personal growth get me?” What if someone decides that the more they know, the more they see, the more danger they’ll be in, the more paranoid they’ll become and the more miserable they’ll be – and they STILL won’t have anything to show for it? Then what? One of the many problems with socialism – and, bear in mind, any form of human governing has its problems – is that it’s a way of governing based on the simplest of moral principles – i.e., achieving the common good is the MORAL thing to do, therefore it’s the best thing to do. First, what’s the common good? You condemn currency, but currency doesn’t have to be bills and coins – it could just as well be furs as it used to be. Money is what you’re really condemning, and it simply quantifies the value of things being traded. Not everyone can hunt and trade furs and who wants to mass-produce furs? But at least with money (a form of currency), whatever we CAN do, we get in return something we can trade for other goods and services, and if we’re talking about what’s fair, then trading is fundamentally fair. Also, if you’re going to govern based on morality – anyone’s idea of morality – then let’s outlaw abortion and keep gay marriage illegal everywhere. Like it or not, abortion and homosexuality are to some as immoral as the cut-throat capitalist society you see us living in now. As for condemning people for not having original thoughts in your opinion, someone might just as easily say that about you – do you get all your ideas from STAR TREK? Is that the ONLY future you think mankind should strive for? And, what’s more, what makes you right? Morality? Whose morality? Greater good? What is that? Look at Trek closely and you’ll see that Vulcan is a MERITOCRACY. What do you think happens to the extremely disabled in a meritocracy? How do you earn merit? The problem with narrowing down the greater good to everyone having things like shelter and food and maybe transportation is people can have all that and still be miserable. How are you going to change that? Or are you just going to tell people that they should be happy since the system you propose means that nobody else has more than they do, in which case you’re STILL making money, who has it, who doesn’t and its perceived effects on mankind the central basis for your argument. And, of course, you’re governing based on morality, which is a criticism lobbed at the very people people like you would blame for perpetuating the capitalist “evils” we see today, i.e., the right-wing, Republican Christian fundamentalists, etc. They’re doing the same thing you want to do – govern based on morality – only it’s their morality, their idea of the common good, NOT yours, therefore you’re upset. But hey, who wouldn’t be? You can’t please everyone, and the fact that any kind of socialism tries is, in addition to the risk of those in power taking too much of it, why it ultimately fails. It can’t live up to its promise. Eventually, everyone wants MORE, and no government is going to change that.

261. Commander K - May 2, 2009

I watch these trailers and after seeing this movie at the premiere a few weeks back…i can say you’re getting a HELLA lot of spoilers out of these. They’ve shown the start middle and end of the movie in sum of these clips.

262. I am not Herbert - May 2, 2009

257. TrekdomKeeper: Your outlook is admirable; I commend you.

253. Closettrekker: Money is a tool which facilitates greed, exploitation, oppression, etc… How many have suffered and died for, or because of, money? (Gold is the root of all evil?)

260. JDM: NOT everyone wants MORE. You CAN overcome your baser instincts.

There really is a lot of positive philosophy that can be learned from Star Trek if you just open your mind: “The acquisition of wealth is no longer the driving force in our lives. We work to better ourselves and the rest of Humanity.”

It may not be practical to adapt in the present, but to deny it’s philosophical value is stupid IMHO. I believe it’s a goal worth striving for.

Think about how much better the world could be without greed and hate.

263. Chris Basken - May 2, 2009

257: “Stop arguing with me you hater.”

Someone’s projecting.

264. Green-Blooded-Bastard - May 2, 2009

TV spot 13 is offline

265. JohnWA - May 2, 2009

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Well, politics is a complicated business. People tend to treat political philosophy as a “buffet line” rather than a price fixe menu. The merging of Christian fundamentalism and free market economics is probably unique to the American Republican Party though. It is certainly not the only possible formation out there.

San Francisco (Silicon Valley) and New York City (Wall Street) are capitalist cities with socially liberal administrations. China is an officially socialist state with a free market economy. France doesn’t really know what it wants to be. Sometimes it is capitalist; sometimes it is socialist. And God knows plenty of religious conservatives complain about corporate greed distracting people from God and morality.

The sides are not exactly clear. In other words, reality is a lot more like DS9 than TNG. :)

266. sean - May 2, 2009

#258

No one manufactured them for me. I just paid attention in history class.

267. JohnWA - May 2, 2009

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To get at the origins of warfare, you’d almost certainly have to go pre-historic (which would probably fall under the purview of anthropology rather than history). However, you’re right in saying that currency came much later than the violence. Without going too much into the debate over when exactly warfare became a feature of hominid existence, I think it is safe to say that stealing – and the accompanying fights – pre-dates organized economic activity.

But, of course, this was a common mistake on the show as well. Star Trek tends to fail on social science even worse than it does on physical science. And the assumptions about money are only the tip of the iceberg. Some of Counselor Troi’s so-called “psychology” was downright hilarious. I guess the University of Betazed has decided to revive 19th century human diagnoses of mental illness and started teaching those theories as gospel.

There’s a reason why the humans on Star Trek are so… not human-like in any behavior. I’ve said it before. The “aliens” here aren’t the Klingons or the Ferengi. I can understand the Klingons and the Ferengi. It is the humans.

268. DFG333 - May 3, 2009

Cluster lizard from Lexx comes to mind and not Star Wars regarding the creature that nearly get Kirk on Delta Vega.

269. TrekdomKeeper - May 3, 2009

267 it’s preposterous to assume modern social science can account for how we will be in 300 years. No valid predictions can be made. Star trek (ESP TnG) postulates that if we don’t transcend our archaic monitsry system along with war, poverty and establishing wide-spread equity we will perish. If people have a hard time with this philosophy why do they even watch star trek? Only haters and old cynics would argue against a philosophy of total equity. Don’t give me this ‘ practical’ crap. You’re talking as if star trek is set in today world under today laws. And there is a vast difference between a civilized nation making a decision to go to war and a primitive people reacting violently to their environment out of instinct. To compare the two is a misuse if anthropology and an employment of semantics.

270. thereare4lights - May 3, 2009

Pfff. First clip: video removed by user.

271. I am not Herbert - May 3, 2009

265. JohnWA: “…plenty of religious conservatives complain about corporate greed distracting people from God and morality.”

I have never heard any of this… it would be refreshing! They should also complain about personal greed and the sin of wasteful consumption.
I only hear them trying to deny personal freedom, choice, equality, etc…

266. sean: Until you can backup any of your “one-liners”, they do seem thoughtless.

267. JohnWA: “I can understand the Klingons and the Ferengi.”
It’s probably because they are driven by their BASER INSTINCTS.
The humans in Star Trek have risen above those instincts; we should strive to do the same.

269. TrekdomKeeper: FULL AGREEMENT

The new Star Trek movie hopefully will have some morals to learn along the way. Trek has already taught us A LOT about greed and bigotry. I think now we may see a moral about hate, terrorism, genocidal warfare and how they are driven, with parallels between Nero and bin Laden.

…we shall soon see!!! =D

272. sean - May 3, 2009

#271

I’m not a fan of name-calling. When either you or TrekdomKeeper can have a civil discussion without it, give me a jingle.

273. Closettrekker - May 3, 2009

#269—”And there is a vast difference between a civilized nation making a decision to go to war and a primitive people reacting violently to their environment out of instinct.”

There certainly is not any difference, except with reference to scale (which is a result of a much larger population). Our early-human ancestors fought (and slaughtered) over resources—-such as water supply, foraging grounds, and even women.

As humans evolved and developed technology, more resources inherent to the Earth became objects of value. Men have sought to obtain things of value as far back as there are remains of human existence, and violence (and the threat of its use) has been the dominant method of procuring and protecting those things.

I think that everyone would agree that civilization has improved over time, and that it should continue to improve, but the idea that “war” (in all of its forms) first showed its ugly head (which I have unfortunately witnessed firsthand) with the advent of currency is simply incorrect. There have always been valuable resources, and there has always been competition to obtain them.

274. JohnWA - May 3, 2009

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Off the top of my head, Mike Huckabee and Gary Bauer are two prominent religious conservatives who have targeted big business in the past. But when they critique corporate America as “immoral,” I doubt they have personal freedom, choice, and equality in mind. Personally, I do not subscribe to their theocratic agenda. But it is illogical to ascribe fundamentalism to capitalism. These are two separate ideas. Their alliance is largely opportunistic. And either can exist just fine without the other. Eliminating the money, in and of itself, will not eliminate religious fervor.

As for getting rid of our baser instincts, perhaps FC “Ahab” Picard should go back in time and have a debate with smug TNG ” Evolved Sensibility” Picard about that one. Violence and greed are as much a part of the human condition as compassion and hope. Humans on Star Trek seem to think that Federation social conditioning (denial) is the answer.

But starting with The Undiscovered Country, the TPTB even acknowledged some of the flaws in Gene’s extreme idealism. The negative impulses are still present inside each and every one of us. And we have to learn to live with that as best we can. If Kirk had simply spouted absurd Federation ideals like “we’ve moved beyond racism” in ST 6, it wouldn’t have been progress in any real sense. His honest admission to Spock that he is prejudiced against Klingons, on the other hand, represented genuine personal growth and inner struggle.

In my opinion, the best Star Trek movies and episodes involve imperfect humans being human. The more preachy, utopian stuff is usually so heavy-handed that viewers tend to get all defensive and belligerent any way.

275. I am not Herbert - May 4, 2009

Yeah, tommy gun Picard was pretty extreme, and I think, not true to his character. IMHO, the TNG movies in general tended not to be true enough to the characters. He did however have some reason to dislike the Borg.

By the end of Undiscovered Country, I believe Kirk overcomes his somewhat understandable prejudice as well…

I agree with you about human imperfection. You need conflict to drive a good story. But by the end of those stories, we have recognized and overcome those imperfections, thus the moral of the story.

Education and enlightenment is the answer, and I’m glad that Star Trek gives us a little of that. LL&P

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